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Materialists Are Rarely This Candid About Their Evil

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Barry 

eigenstate @ 45 keeps going on about how morality is like value. What we value is good simply because we value it. And what we don’t value is evil simply because we don’t value it.

eigenstate 

And even more fundamentally, “good” and “meaningful” and “valuable” are products of our mental processes, inherently subjective. If the referent you are thinking about is objective, it can’t be a “good” or a “value” these are intrinsically subjective concepts.

Barry 

A Zimbabwean dollar once had value; now it has no value.

eigenstate 

Right. Value, like meaning is a subjective function of the mind.  There’s nothing inherently valuable as currency about the piece of paper we may call a “Zimbabwean dollar”. It can only accrue that value as the product of minds subjectively ascribing it value.

Barry 

Killing Jews, homosexuals and the disabled is evil now because we don’t value those practices. If we did value those practices, according to eigenstate that would make them good.

eigenstate 

By definition. What we value is what we value, tautologously.