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The new video Metamorphosis presents the case for intelligent design in a powerful way. The metamorphosis from caterpillar to butterfly is a spectacular example of “irreducible complexity,” and here is why.

In my 2000 Mathematical Intelligencer article “A Mathematician’s View of Evolution,” I compared the development of the genetic code of life with the development of a computer program, such as my finite element code PDE2D . I pointed out that the record of PDE2D’s development would be similar to the fossil record, with large gaps where major new features (new orders, classes and phyla) appeared, and smaller gaps where minors ones (new families, genera or species) appeared (see also this short video). I argued,

Whether at the microscopic or macroscopic level, major, complex, evolutionary advances…also involve the addition of many interrelated and interdependent pieces. These complex advances, like those made to computer programs, are not always ‘irreducibly complex’–sometimes there are useful intermediate stages. But just as major improvements to a computer program cannot be made 5 or 6 characters at a time, certainly no major evolutionary advance is reducible to a chain of tiny improvements, each small enough to be bridged by a single random mutation.

In the real world of biological evolution, or of computer programs, “climbing up Mount Improbable” involves not just taking large numbers of tiny steps upward, but scaling many steep cliffs. You not only have to explain how the giraffe’s neck grew longer, but how the bacterial flagellum developed, with dozens of parts (each essential for function) similar to those of an outboard motor, or how aquatic bladderworts developed their carnivorous traps. These traps “have trigger hairs attached to a valve-like door, which normally keeps the trap tightly closed. The sides of the trap are compressed under tension, but when a small form of animal life touches one of the trigger hairs the valve opens, the bladder suddenly expands, and the animal is sucked into the trap. The door closes at once, and in about 20 minutes the trap is set ready for another victim.”

The problem with making this argument, as all who have tried it know, is that Darwinists have very fertile imaginations, they can imagine some alternative uses, some selective advantages, for the individual parts of a bacterial flagellum, or for a partially constructed vacuum chamber before it could catch small animals. No matter what example of irreducible complexity is set before them, they will propose far-fetched functions for 2 or 3 intermediate stages and consider the problem solved. Sometimes they can actually find the intermediate stages in Nature.

But metamorphosis is different. The process of transforming a caterpillar into a butterfly is surely far more complex than anything ever accomplished by man. The information needed to control this process, stored somewhere in the caterpillar’s cells, must be far greater than that stored in any man-made computer program. And explaining how this enormous program arose through many “5 or 6 character” improvements is even more challenging here, because now the intermediate stages are not just useless, they are fatal. Metamorphosis involves the destruction of the caterpillar: the butterfly, with an almost completely new body plan, is constructed from dissolved and recycled tissues and cells of the caterpillar. Now we are not talking about climbing Mount Improbable, we are talking about building a bridge across an enormous chasm, between caterpillar and butterfly. Until construction of this extremely long and complicated bridge is almost complete, it is a bridge to nowhere. Unless a butterfly (or another organism capable of reproduction) comes out at the end, the chrysalis only serves as a casket for the caterpillar, which cannot reproduce. Now we do not have to simply imagine uses for not-quite-watertight vacuum chamber traps, we have to imagine a selective advantage for committing suicide before you are able to reproduce, and that is a more difficult challenge.

Of course, if Darwinism fails to explain metamorphosis, we just have to wait for science to come up with an alternative theory; there is no need to resort to intelligent design, which, we are told, is not scientific. Well, we can define science to exclude intelligent design and wait as long as we want, but intelligence will still be the only force of Nature that can look ahead to see a desired function and keep adding useless lines of computer code until the code can perform that function, and it will still be the only force that can guide the development–gradual or not so gradual–of new organs through their initial useless stages. And it will still be the only thing that can imagine a butterfly as the final product and develop a gigantic code for metamorphosis, through intermediate stages which would produce nothing but the destruction of the caterpillar.

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Further notes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dPbvxrv3bY&feature=relatedJello
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So the intelligent design hypothesis for metamorphosis is 'it required intelligent design'. Doesn't sound too promis.....
This is the part where someone typically objects that nothing has been explained. (Not meaning to put words in your mouth.)
You read my mind.
First, saying that it evolved doesn’t explain anything either. You still have to figure out how. Good luck with that.
The difference being that at least there's a chance scientists could figure out how metamorphosis evolved. Under a naturalistic framework the problem is at least tractable. On the other hand, barring special revelation how can we ever know the processes that went into designing the butterfly's lifecycle? Once you opt for an explanation that by its very nature cannot be known scientifically then one ID explanation is as good as another, with no possible way to choose between them. You can't test, compare or analyse ID hypotheses for the simple reason that the capabilities of the designer are unknown and unstated; anything goes. It's scientifically inert.
ID just gets you on the right track so you can start reverse engineering or attempting to understand the design...
Biologists have been reverse engineering the natural world for over two centuries. ID can hardly take credit for that.Jello
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further notes: http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2007/0708/mother_teresa_0820.jpgbornagain77
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Jello, Are you ready? Brace yourself:
I don’t want a thorough treatment, I just want to read what the intelligent design hypothesis is for metamorphosis.
It required intelligent design. That's the hypothesis. This is the part where someone typically objects that nothing has been explained. (Not meaning to put words in your mouth.) First, saying that it evolved doesn't explain anything either. You still have to figure out how. Good luck with that. Second, don't confuse ID with reverse engineering. If you want to figure out how it was designed, you may have to reverse engineer it. That's how people figure out how other stuff was made. Notice how there's no magic or voodoo in all of this. ID just gets you on the right track so you can start reverse engineering or attempting to understand the design rather than spinning your wheels forever trying to imagine an evolutionary pathway that involves a creature dissolving itself, dying, and reforming itself from its raw materials. Perhaps if I were a designer and suspected that one day my designs might try to explain themselves while denying my existence or effort, I might insert something just like this to stop them in their tracks. That's a guess, not an explanation. I'm not as clever as that designer.ScottAndrews2
November 10, 2011
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GinoB,
If the Big Guy Designer wanted a butterfly, why didn’t he just design a butterfly from the get-go like is done in so many other species?
Why make a ship in a bottle? Why make those weird eye-crossing 3D pictures? Why make a coffee mug shaped like a football? Does every single thing people make or do relate to their survival or some utilitarian purpose? Why make anything at all? Perhaps the reason is to confound anyone who might later deny that it was designed. It's certainly working.ScottAndrews2
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lastyearon:
So we have an observed instance of evolution, and a really intricate complicated one, filled with irreducible complexities, and other mind boggling improbabilities.
Really??? So the caterpillar changes into a butterfly and this is 'observed evolution" for you??? Does it even cross your mind that you are severely "begging the question"???bornagain77
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GinoB wrote: "Can we please get some ID explanations her?" ID doesn't identify the designer. The animals you just listed also require intelligence.oyer
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Your missing my point. The metamorphosis from a caterpillar to a butterfly is an example of observable evolution. We know it happens. So we have an observed instance of evolution, and a really intricate complicated one, filled with irreducible complexities, and other mind boggling improbabilities. Now some may say that it is a miracle. But the point of view of the post was that it isn't a miracle. It's a result of a purely natural mechanical process. And for the very reason that this complex process operates within the laws of nature, that is why the process must have been intelligently designed. Do you see what I'm getting at? The author of the post is willing to attribute the evolution of the caterpillar to mechanical, natural processes. And he places the 'design' in the creation of the rules that govern the process.lastyearon
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Further notes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX-Sao3gkYgJello
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Just to clarify, is your position that evolution is a natural process, and that the initial rules (laws of nature) were designed?lastyearon
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of note: This is a very appropiate picture of what the thory of evolution represents for explaining how the metamorphosis of Butterflies originated http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/384584_10150931290690475_196789950474_21971349_1285492815_n.jpgbornagain77
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notes: I would like to roughly outline the insurmountable difficulty that thermodynamics presents to the 'theory' of evolution, indeed it can be argued forcefully that neo-Darwinism is not even a scientific theory at all since it disagrees so fundamentally with the second law::
"The laws of probability apply to open as well as closed systems." Granville Sewell - Professor Of Mathematics - University Of Texas El Paso
Professor Harold Morowitz shows the Origin of Life 'problem' escalates dramatically, over the oft quoted 1 in 10^40,000 figure, when working from a thermodynamic perspective,:
"The probability for the chance of formation of the smallest, simplest form of living organism known is 1 in 10^340,000,000. (This number is 10 to the 340 millionth power! The size of this figure is truly staggering since there is only supposed to be approximately 10^80 (10 to the 80th power) electrons in the whole universe!") (Professor Harold Morowitz, Energy Flow In Biology pg. 99, Biophysicist of George Mason University)
Dr. Morowitz did another probability calculation working from the thermodynamic perspective with a already existing cell and came up with this number:
DID LIFE START BY CHANCE? Excerpt: Molecular biophysicist, Horold Morowitz (Yale University), calculated the odds of life beginning under natural conditions (spontaneous generation). He calculated, if one were to take the simplest living cell and break every chemical bond within it, the odds that the cell would reassemble under ideal natural conditions (the best possible chemical environment) would be one chance in 10^100,000,000,000. You will have probably have trouble imagining a number so large, so Hugh Ross provides us with the following example. If all the matter in the Universe was converted into building blocks of life, and if assembly of these building blocks were attempted once a microsecond for the entire age of the universe. Then instead of the odds being 1 in 10^100,000,000,000, they would be 1 in 10^99,999,999,916 (also of note: 1 with 100 billion zeros following would fill approx. 20,000 encyclopedias) http://members.tripod.com/~Black_J/chance.html
Further notes:
"Bertalanffy (1968) called the relation between irreversible thermodynamics and information theory one of the most fundamental unsolved problems in biology." Charles J. Smith - Biosystems, Vol.1, p259. 'The information content of a simple cell had been estimated as around 10^12 bits, comparable to about a hundred million pages of the Encyclopedia Britannica." Carl Sagan, "Life" in Encyclopedia Britannica: Macropaedia (1974 ed.), pp. 893-894
of note: The 10^12 bits of information number for a bacterium is derived from entropic considerations, which is, due to the tightly integrated relationship between the equations of information and entropy, considered the most accurate measure of the total transcendent information present in a 'simple' life forms. For calculations please see the following site:
Molecular Biophysics – Information theory. Relation between information and entropy: http://www.astroscu.unam.mx/~angel/tsb/molecular.htm “Is there a real connection between entropy in physics and the entropy of information? ….The equations of information theory and the second law are the same, suggesting that the idea of entropy is something fundamental…” Tom Siegfried, Dallas Morning News, 5/14/90 – Quotes attributed to Robert W. Lucky, Ex. Director of Research, AT&T, Bell Laboratories & John A. Wheeler, of Princeton & Univ. of TX, Austin in the article Entropy (information theory) Excerpt: But, at a multidisciplinary level, connections can be made between thermodynamic and informational entropy, although it took many years in the development of the theories of statistical mechanics and information theory to make the relationship fully apparent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_information “Gain in entropy always means loss of information, and nothing more.” Gilbert Newton Lewis – Eminent Chemist “But in all the reading I’ve done in the life-sciences literature, I’ve never found a mutation that added information… All point mutations that have been studied on the molecular level turn out to reduce the genetic information and not increase it.” Lee Spetner - Ph.D. Physics - MIT - Not By Chance
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The law that entropy always increases holds, I think, the supreme position among the laws of Nature. If someone points out to you that your pet theory of the universe is in disagreement with Maxwell’s equations — then so much the worse for Maxwell’s equations. If it is found to be contradicted by observation — well, these experimentalists do bungle things sometimes. But if your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation. Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington, The Nature of the Physical World (1915), chapter 4
Indeed the 'death grip' that the second law holds on the material universe is relentless:
The Future of the Universe Excerpt: After all the black holes have evaporated, (and after all the ordinary matter made of protons has disintegrated, if protons are unstable), the universe will be nearly empty. Photons, neutrinos, electrons and positrons will fly from place to place, hardly ever encountering each other. It will be cold, and dark, and there is no known process which will ever change things. --- Not a happy ending. http://spiff.rit.edu/classes/phys240/lectures/future/future.html Big Rip Excerpt: The Big Rip is a cosmological hypothesis first published in 2003, about the ultimate fate of the universe, in which the matter of universe, from stars and galaxies to atoms and subatomic particles, are progressively torn apart by the expansion of the universe at a certain time in the future. Theoretically, the scale factor of the universe becomes infinite at a finite time in the future. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip Thermodynamic Argument Against Evolution - Thomas Kindell - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4168488 entire video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV3WWDfGsX4
Verse:
Psalm 102:25-27 Of old You laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You will endure; Yes, they will all grow old like a garment; Like a cloak You will change them, And they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will have no end. Romans 8:18-21 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
Music:
Steven Curtis Chapman - God is God (Original Version) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz94NQ5HRyk
bornagain77
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Not all insects go through a four-stage metamorphosis of egg-->larva-->pupa-->adult. Many go through a three stage process of egg-->nymph-->adult. Some insects don't undergo metamorphosis at all. Some amphibians undergo metamorphosis too - frogs, toads, some species of newts. But not all of them. There are even some fish, particularly eels, that also undergo a form of metamorphosis. So why did the Designer come up with so many different ways to get the end produce? Why go through all those stages at all? If the Big Guy Designer wanted a butterfly, why didn't he just design a butterfly from the get-go like is done in so many other species? Can we please get some ID explanations her?GinoB
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Design is a natural process and as far as anyone knows evolution is designed- as in organisms were designed to evolve and evolved by design.Joseph
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It won't do any good if he does. He already KNOWS that evolution is a fact because he is a materialist. His worldview prevents him from thinking of any intelligence being involved at all. He is a prisoner to his worldview - as we all are I guess, but Theism does expand your options and give meaning and purpose to life as well. Not a bad choice if I say so myself.tjguy
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Jello, you got it! It's really that simple. You get to a point where the facts speak for themselves and chance is no longer a viable option which leaves some sort of intelligent design. It just becomes a matter of common sense. Even a child can figure it out. It really is that simple, but I know this is a science blog and everyone wants "proof". Well, if we're honest, there is no proof on either side. You take the observations you have and make deductions. You interpret the facts. Both sides take a faith position. If you are a materialist, you don't have too many options. It has to be some sort of evolution, so in spite of where the evidence leads, you have to maintain the faith. If materialism cannot solve the problem - and it has become pretty obvious that it cannot - then that obviously points to a Designer. You are right on!tjguy
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What is your explanation? This is how the Darwinian explanation goes 1. Natural selection and random mutation 2. Sequence of assembly So just replace natural selection and random mutation with intelligent design and input a sequence. Do you really need to see how an engineering sequence proceeds? Do you want a detailed manuscript of the assembly procedure? You think that it can't be provided or that it is totally unnecessary? ID says that a force capable of foresight, capable of assembling highly integrated and sophisticated biological systems, capable of high end biological coding,is required. How do you suggest ID goes about showing that? You might say, well no, beavers build dams, they can build a human. ID looks at the capabilities of a beaver, say no. They discredit it. However you want to cut it, 1. This force is insufficient, 2.Therefore another force capable of foresight, assembling highly integrated and sophisticated biological systems, capable of high end biological coding, is required. Isn't that what you're asking for? Do you mind if ID calls it intelligence? Is that the problem? You say all ID ever does is try to show the insufficiency of random processes. But is there a Darwinian explanation that doesn't attack ID? Can you show evidence for Darwinian evolution without attacking ID? When viewers of metamorphosis see the types of systems at work, they will understand the type of force required, and they will realize the insufficiency of other forces. Would you agree?oyer
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Odd, the "Exhale" was a suggestion directed at yourself. Nevermind....
Interesting. If those examples of utilizing the application of intelligence to accomplsih great things were a Western Diamondback Rattlesnake you’d be long since dead by now.
"Utilizing the application of intelligence". Okay so let's hear the intelligent design explanation for metamorphosis that 'utilises the application of intelligence'.Jello
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Jello: "I have been given none." ==== Interesting. If those examples of utilizing the application of intelligence to accomplsih great things were a Western Diamondback Rattlesnake you'd be long since dead by now. ---- Jello: "Forget Darwinism, stymie your anger, be thankful you are at the vanguard of the next scientific revolution. Anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering." ==== Love the childish tantrum and foot stamping. Did you remember to drink all your milk before you take a nap on the carpet ???Eocene
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Read Signature in the Cell if you want a thorough treatment and if you actually care.
I don't want a thorough treatment, I just want to read what the intelligent design hypothesis is for metamorphosis.
You’ve been given several and have shown your usual repugnance.
I have been given none.
Let’s start with actually using your brain and thought processes before planning, designing and actually constructing anything in life. Your choice. After all, this is about utilizing various “application processes” to accomplish anything remotely functional and beneficial.
So the intelligent designer a) has a physical brain and b) utilized some unknown "application processes". Not much to go on.
How would this concept of intelligence be vastly inferior to blind undirected unguided forces moving mountains of lifeless debris wreakage to accomplish the same identical tasks in your opinion ???
Exhale. Forget Darwinism, stymie your anger, be thankful you are at the vanguard of the next scientific revolution. Anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering.Jello
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Jello: "This is, ostensibly, an intelligent design blog." ==== No really, you're kidding me! ---- Jello: "I’d like to read the intelligent design’s explanation of metamorphosis and not a litany of complaints on the inadequacy of Darwinism." ==== You've been given several and have shown your usual repugnance. Let's start with actually using your brain and thought processes before planning, designing and actually constructing anything in life. Your choice. After all, this is about utilizing various "application processes" to accomplish anything remotely functional and beneficial. How would this concept of intelligence be vastly inferior to blind undirected unguided forces moving mountains of lifeless debris wreakage to accomplish the same identical tasks in your opinion ???Eocene
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Read Signature in the Cell if you want a thorough treatment and if you actually care.bbigej
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This is, ostensibly, an intelligent design blog. I'd like to read the intelligent design's explanation of metamorphosis and not a litany of complaints on the inadequacy of Darwinism. Forget Darwin ever happened; let's hear some ID hypotheses.Jello
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Jello: "Darwinism can’t do it = Therefore intelligent design. It was ever thus." ==== Go for it Jello. Show us how you'd undertake any experiment using "Applied Evolution" which is nothing but blind pointless undirected forces without any intended purpose whatsoever to accomplish a goal that was never meditated on first. Before you run ahead and crybaby over directed guided evolution for which there is no foundational proof, start by proving how informational codes are created by nothing more than toxic chemically saturated dirt influenced by nothing more than voltage and magnetism.Eocene
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Darwinism can't do it = Therefore intelligent design. It was ever thus.Jello
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letztes Jahr: "So we have a process whereby a caterpillar evolves into a butterfly." ==== Nice word/term twisting. The subject as he stated it was in comparison to your faith in Dice Theory - "But metamorphosis is different. The process of transforming a caterpillar into a butterfly is surely far more complex than anything ever accomplished by man. The information needed to control this process, stored somewhere in the caterpillar’s cells, must be far greater than that stored in any man-made computer program." What part of that did you find difficult to comprehend ??? ---- letztes Jahr: "And you are saying that this process was intelligently designed." ==== The process of metamorphosis has instructions to accomplished a purposed outcome. Again what part of that don't you get ??? ---- letztes Jahr: "And we also have a process whereby species evolve into other species." ==== No, we have a process by which various kinds of creatures have the potential for great variation within an organized orderly framework of what is called species boundaries or barriers. Take the example of whales and dolphins creating the wholphin! Cichlids creating many variations of cichlids, Salamanders creating different Salamanders, etc. ---- letztes Jahr: "Couldn’t this process have been intelligently designed as well?" ==== Yes, the process of metamorphosis governed by instructions gives us clear evidence of intelligent design as opposed to blind unpurposed luck of Dice Theory. ---- letztes Jahr: "Why do you accept the evolution of the caterpillar as a natural process, but not the evolution of species." ==== Your reading comprehenson is lacking again. Let me help you. It's metamorphosis, not evolution.Eocene
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So we have a process whereby a caterpillar evolves into a butterfly. And you are saying that this process was intelligently designed. And we also have a process whereby species evolve into other species. Couldn't this process have been intelligently designed as well? Why do you accept the evolution of the caterpillar as a natural process, but not the evolution of species.lastyearon
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