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Miracles and the Principle of Causality

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In a prior post EJ wrote:  “I think natural intelligences are to be preferred above supernatural intelligences in design detection, for the simple reason that we have experience with the former, but not the latter.” 

I replied:  “Says who? You are repeating Hume’s error of circular reasoning. “Miracles do not happen because they are counter to universal experience.”  In other words, “miracles do not happen because miracles do not happen.”  That may satisfy you and Hume.  Those who would like to have their conclusions demonstrated rather than assumed might not be as impressed.” 

Then evo_materialist wrote:  “BarryA, you may have experience with miracles.  Alas, I do not, and neither has anybody I know in a way that’s not better explained naturally.” 

Pace evo’s comment, I never said I personally have had experience with miracles.  My comment is a matter of the application of logic to EJ’s (and Hume’s before him) position.  In other words, my point is that Hume’s position fails on logical grounds, not because my experience is different from his.   

Hume (and EJ and Evo) asserts a univeral principle of natural law, which Karl Popper calls ‘the principle of causality.’

This is what Karl Popper says about this principle in The Logic of Scientific Discovery (which, as far as I know, is the only scientific text with the force of law in the United States): 

“The ‘principle of causality’ is the assertion that any event whatsoever can be causally explained – that it can be deductively predicted . . . If . . . ‘can’ is meant to signify that the world is governed by strict laws, that it is so constructed that every specific event is an instance of a universal regularity or law, then the assertion is admittedly synthetic.  But in this case is not falsifiable . . . I shall, therefore, neither adopt nor reject the ‘principle of causality’; I shall be content simply to exclude it, as ‘metaphysical’, from the sphere of science.” 

Hume and EJ and Evo think they are being “scientific” when they reject miracles a priori.  But as Popper convincingly demonstrates, they are merely showing their metaphysical prejudices.   

Moreover, the premise of Hume’s statement is incorrect.  His premise is that the universal experince of the human race is that miracles do not occur.  This is not true.  Miracles have been reported and many people believe those miracles actually occurred.  For example, a man reportedly rose from the dead outside the city of Jerusalem circa 33 AD.  Of the 6.6 billion people on the earth, approximately 2 billion people believe this account. 

My point is not to argue that Jesus actually rose from the dead (I personally believe that he did).  My point is that Hume’s statement should be modifed to read:  “In the universal experience of the human race miracles do not occur if one rejects a priori all of the accounts of miracles that we have.”  Again, this argument is quite circular, because Hume assumed a priori the very conclusion he wished to demonstrate.   

Again, while I personally believe that miracles occur, my personal belief is quite beside the point.  My point is that those who assert that miracles do not occur usually believe they are speaking with the authority of science.  Popper says not so.  The statement “miracles do not occur” is just as metaphysical as the statement “miracles occur.” 

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thogan @ 51: Hume was an empiricist. To him, knowledge was necessarily limited to what humans experience through their senses. He saw the scientific method as the means for solving all the problems of the world. The Bible describes nine accounts of persons being resurrected. Apparently, Hume discounts all of them (although I think at one time he did have faith of some sort), including the resurrection of Jesus.Barb
April 26, 2008
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-----Eric B: An excellent point! -----"Regarding inference to a designer for the biological life we see, the data available to science does not necessarily discriminate. That is why ID proponents consistently point out that in that case ID doesn’t necessarily determine the designer." Yes, indeed. ID is in the business of establishing the EXISTENCE, not the IDENTITY of the designer. The distinction is critical, but it always seems to get lost on critics?StephenB
April 26, 2008
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Megan.Alavi at 58 you state:
You obviously are unaware of the ‘Miracle of Calanda’ the sole limb regrowth miracle I am aware of. It happened in the 1600’s.
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KF, do you care to toss a thought into the air as to why limb regrowth appears to be excluded from available miracles?
There is no logical reason for excluding limb regrowth. Furthermore, your example of the ‘Miracle of Calanda’ rebuts any speculation on such an exclusion. See C.S. Lewis "Miracles" (e.g. ISBN-10: 0060653019) on the logic of what "miracles" are/are not possible.DLH
April 26, 2008
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Megan.Alavi (73): "In all the time I’ve been lurking here I’ve not seen anyone present any convincing reason to prefer a non-material designer over a simple alien from a galaxy far far away."
Regarding inference to a designer for the biological life we see, the data available to science does not necessarily discriminate. That is why ID proponents consistently point out that in that case ID doesn't necessarily determine the designer. [Notice that skeptics both fault ID proponents for saying this, as well as making and acknowledging the point themselves. Nothing done regarding ID would satisfy some.] Regarding biological ID, there is the question of regress. If one supposes that aliens also inhabit material bodies that require the creation of specified complexity, then this may be a reason to conclude that the regress must begin with non-material intelligence. Dembski has developed this aspect from the standpoint of the mathematical implications. ID is not limited to biological ID, however. For example, regarding cosmological ID, if the universe is considered to show evidence of design from its very beginning (e.g. fine tuning aspects and aspects raised in The Privileged Planet), then that cannot be explained by aliens. BTW, each ID inference must stand on its own legs and be evaluated for its own merits. "ID" is not one monolithic proposition that is all or nothing. That said, if intelligence was involved in an earlier aspect of the process (e.g. origin of the universe or the origin of life), one can hardly exclude the possibility of intelligence being involved in later events (e.g. history of life).
"Why many then makes the designer = Abrahamic religions deity leap I don’t know."
It is quite simple. There is more to knowledge and life than science can know. That doesn't mean trying to believe something that is contrary to the evidence (such as the leap of blind faith required for abiogenesis ;-) . In the Christian understanding, faith is about the question of trusting Someone. It works with reason, not against it. Those who conclude that the God of Abraham is involved have additional reasons for drawing that conclusion. Science tells us about the regularities and limitations of nature and undirected natural processes, but there is more to reality than undirected processes.ericB
April 26, 2008
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-----Megan Alavi:.. "do you care to toss a thought into the air as to why limb regrowth appears to be excluded from available miracles?" This discussion on selective miracles is really a speculation into the mind of God. On the one hand, it is not unreasonable to ask this question: Why this miracle and not that miracle? Let’s take it even further. Why should I believe in any miracle when the vast majority of those put in evidence require medical verification? Why doesn’t God make it obvious to a point that doubt is impossible? Why doesn’t God turn midgets into average sized people? Why doesn’t God turn plain people into beautiful people? Why doesn’t God normally reform deformed bodies? My guess is that the Creator of the universe is committed to the principles of justice and mercy, so he has created a world of moral options and tradeoffs.—a world in which faith can illuminate reason but must also pass the test of reason---a world in which we will be given “just enough” information to believe in God, but not enough to remove all doubt. Apparently, God has decided that when he makes things so obvious as to remove all doubt, freedom of choice is compromised in some way. Granted, there are, on record, a few who seem to have rejected truth even when it is obvious (even to the point of admitting the truth of a miracle [Lazarus in NT], but denying its divine source), but that would seem to be the exception. Normally, if a proof cannot be rationally denied in any way, the choice to believe or not believe has been removed. Also, the Creator seems to have designed a moral system in which, “to whom much is given much is expected,” Apparently, everyone has to pass a moral test, and the demands of that moral test become more rigorous as faith becomes less necessary. Thus, if proof is provided such that all doubt is removed, God seems to raise the bar and expect heroic behavior. Thus, poor creatures like me, who believe but have occasional doubts, are given an easier test is easier to pass. Whereas those poor apostles in the New Testament, all of whom witnessed miracle after miracle (including, it would seem, total restoration and reformation), had to face torture and death. That is one reason why I personally would not ask for absolute certitude on matters of faith. So, when miracles come, as they occasionally do, they manifest themselves in a form that provides reasonable “motives for credibility” but no more. Medical cures are strong evidence, but not all of the objections are irrational. Granted, most people would like to have absolute intellectual assurance, but those same people would probably rather not follow up with heroic virtue as payment. I happen to be one of those people. The good news is that heroic virtue is possible anyway, even for those who begin with very little faith. Anyone who is willing to enter into a life of contemplation and who is serious about removing moral faults in search of perfection can certainly achieve it. There is plenty of empirical evidence for that phenomenon. Just read about the lives of the saints. The problem is that most people, like me, simply do not want moral perfection. That is a problem. My guess is God allows moral mediocrities like us that luxury as a courtesy, settling for humble faith and moral frailty. Nevertheless, we were made to achieve moral perfection and that is what we should be striving for.StephenB
April 26, 2008
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Detection of design implies several things, the chief implication being that a sentient entity processes sensory input about the characteristics of an object, or objects, contemplates the characteristics and determines that at least one observable characteristic was artificially produced by a sentient being. An artificial characteristic could be the shaping of an object physically, or it could also be the arrangement of objects in an extraordinary manner in time or space. The "Alf Effect" account by bornagain77 in post 28 appears to be an example of an arrangement of objects in both time and space in an exquisitely extraordinary manner. But not just an amazing arrangement occurred. There was a very important salutatory effect. The result of the detectable arrangement of events was personally directed to the well-being of the depressed person. That certainly implies direct interest in the participants by the Sentient Being who arranged the events. Miracle - Late Latin miraculum, from Latin, a wonder, marvel, from mirari to wonder at. I'd say the "Alf Effect" at very minimum fits that definition. Was the "Alf Effect" actually only a stochastic chain of unintended random events? Since I've personally witnessed similar "Alf Effect" occurrences, also in circumstances involving the state of my well-being, and in which the "Alf Effect" produced a striking change in my outlook, I have to say such events point to a magnificent, supreme mastery over what occurs in the Universe by a Sentient Someone, who on occasion, chooses to order so-called "natural" events in a way that confirms and clearly expresses that mastery. Every hair on your head is numbered. I would also say that receiving articulate communication that I know does not originate from my will, i.e. "hearing the still, small voice of God" is another reason that I contend there is a Creator "in whom we live and move and have our being." I would also remark that, on occasion, there are people who are physically healed. The miracle of the healed amputee of Calanda occured in the mid 17th century. A man had his leg run over by a cart, developed gangrene up to just below the knee, and it was amputated. The man subsisted begging for alms. Some three years later, not at a faith healing tent, but at home, his lower leg was restored, though not completely healed. That took further time. The amputation and healing were known and verified. In addition to "Alf Effect" signs, I was freed from addiction to nicotine by personal prayer. Yet, I later had a bone fracture in my right foot that shattered the cap into many small pieces, and which was inoperable according to the orthopedic surgeon. So I limped around in pain for many years "unhealed." But I do not base my trust in God on instantaneous jumping through a hoop for my benefit. Instead I am all the more amazed that God has worked ANY miraculous events in our midst. P.S. For Dave Scot: I grew up a naturalist. But at NAS Millington, during the week of mag-amps in my AFTA course, I'd reached the stage where the existence of the Creator seemed likely though I could not prove it. So I humbly made the attempt to contact the Creator and I was graciously answered. Semper Fi.benkeshet
April 26, 2008
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It does not seem that you are applying standards of inference in an even handed way.
Exactly. In all the time I've been lurking here I've not seen anyone present any convincing reason to prefer a non-material designer over a simple alien from a galaxy far far away. Why many then makes the designer = Abrahamic religions deity leap I don't know. I guess you see what you bring to the table, eh KF? Still, I guess that's why they call it faith. If you had evidence you'd not need belief.Megan.Alavi
April 26, 2008
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PannenbergOmega (70): "Darwinism (or NeoDarwinism) very well may be wrong. But that doesn’t automatically mean that the God of the Abrahamic religions is the Designer."
You are quite right as far as this goes. The insufficiency of Darwinism does not automatically mean that the God Abraham knew was the designer. How then do you say in the next breath...
"There might be some kind of Universal Mind, World-Soul or Elan Vital at work in the universe. I think that is the only reasonable inference to a designer. IMHO."
The only reasonable inference?? The leap from "There might be" to "the only reasonable", after just pointing out the such a leap is not "automatic" in the other case, seems a bit unwarranted. It does not seem that you are applying standards of inference in an even handed way.ericB
April 26, 2008
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To PannenbergOmega (68), if someone suggested there is strong evidence that something has been designed, but not strong evidence for an inference to the designer, I would suggest that position seems less than coherent. The evidence for actual design is the evidence for the inference to the designer. In another thread I point out that even if one begins from materialist assumptions, it still makes no sense to deny the importance of the issue of intelligent design as a valid scientific issue. See for example here and here.ericB
April 26, 2008
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Darwinism (or NeoDarwinism) very well may be wrong. But that doesn't automatically mean that the God of the Abrahamic religions is the Designer. There might be some kind of Universal Mind, World-Soul or Elan Vital at work in the universe. I think that is the only reasonable inference to a designer. IMHO.PannenbergOmega
April 26, 2008
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Pannenberg: "JPCollado, do you think it is fair that critics of Intelligent Design feel that Design Theorists are deluded?" Given the ethical quandaries that darwinists have been facing with the movie Expelled (e.g., buying a ticket of another movie, seeing a different movie and then sneeking in to see Expelled w/o paying), fairness may not be an appropriate yarsdtick to measure or expect anything of moral value coming from the "critic."JPCollado
April 26, 2008
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JPCollado, do you think it is fair that critics of Intelligent Design feel that Design Theorists are deluded? Deluded mind you is a strong word, with alot of negative baggage to it. A famous materialist philosopher said recently that the evidence of design is stronger than the inference to the designer.PannenbergOmega
April 26, 2008
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Borne, I don't think you have anything to worry about. If Universal Common Descent turns out to be true. Then ID is totally compatible with it? What is the big deal about dinosaurs becoming birds?PannenbergOmega
April 26, 2008
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JPCollado wrote: As far back as I could remember, I’ve only encountered, what, maybe two or three amputees in my life? But cancer victims and diabetics and schizophrenics…oh, they runneth into the dozens upon dozens. "The number of amputees world-wide is estimated to be 10 million." -Kelvin Institute "In 2005 alone, the number of breast cancer victims worldwide was estimated at over 1.2 million.-supplements.inquirer.net You never hear about breasts miraculously regrowing either.JunkyardTornado
April 26, 2008
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Junkyard: "No one eaten by sharks has been healed either to my knowledge." Yes, good point. It is all a matter of frequencies and statistical occurrences. As far back as I could remember, I've only encountered, what, maybe two or three amputees in my life? But cancer victims and diabetics and schizophrenics...oh, they runneth into the dozens upon dozens.JPCollado
April 26, 2008
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Megan.Alavi @ 59: ”Oh, and KF I asked you if you’d care to speculate as to why limb regrowth appears to be excluded from the miracle cure class” Strangely, the logic behind this premise ironically seems to give some air of legitimacy to the "other" miracles, because, if, as you seem to imply, there are no reported cases of limb re-growth similar to the miraculous physical restorations we have been hearing about, then, by default, cancer cures and other healings have a greater probability of being true by the sheer weight of their documentation alone since no one would record a phenomenon that is rather incredibly unlikely by comparison. In the construct of this fragile argument, limb re-growth appears to act like a control by which to gauge the matter-of-factness of extraordinary events.JPCollado
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There was this guy in college (an excitable individual, charismatic or something) who told me a vivid first hand account of watching someone's amputated limb restored in a healing service - a ball of flesh grew forward from the amputated end and grew into a foot. Do I have any idea whether this is true or not? No. I regret that I didn't inquire into this more fully at the time (and frankly don't know why I didn't). Did the guy show up to work the next day with a brand new limb? What was the reaction? Even if the infidel public newspapers wouldn't cover it, certainly Christianity Today or some similar publication would have been interested. There were no amputees healed in the Bible. Not sure of the significance of that. No one eaten by sharks has been healed either to my knowledge.JunkyardTornado
April 26, 2008
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OFF-TOPIC anyone notice the article in the NYT on the dinos-birds hype? HERE Anyone wish to tackle it in another thread? They never give up trying to prove this in spite of it's being unprovable. Now they're using protein comparisons to tout the same old baloney. Next they'll be comparing frog protein to princess protein and claiming there's a link.Borne
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Megan.Alavi: "I’ve never heard of a single instance of an amputee re-growing a limb" Mr. or Ms. Alavi, Just curious. Would you consider limb re-growth a far greater miracle than a dead person coming back to life? Where in the hierarchy of impossibilities would you classify this sort of miracle-stomper? At the very top?JPCollado
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Seriously, now— #17 is a direct quotation from Hume, supposedly a proof against miracles, with the words “air travel” substituted for “miracles”; the point being, of course, that poor old Hume was either disingenuous or lacked imagination (we lean toward the former). Hume’s proof depends upon the axiom that possibility is limited by the fixed conditions of nature as they are known to us at the present time. But as we now know, this is false. Intelligent agency can provide freedom from nature and her apparent laws. A case in point is air travel, which, from the perspective of the 18th century, was virtually impossible; was a violation of natural law. Human intelligence overcame that law and made air travel possible. It provided a means of resistance to the seemingly fixed conditions of existence. Admittedly the analogy is not perfect, since airplanes cannot fly unless they obey nature and her laws—but it does indicate a flaw in Hume’s axiom. Our notions of possibility are limited by our own imaginative limitations; i.e., we are finite beings.allanius
April 26, 2008
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Oh, and KF I asked you if you'd care to speculate as to why limb regrowth appears to be excluded from the miracle cure class, not if you'd care to talk generally about why, even if that were true, it should not (presumably) dent your faith in other miracles. KF, do you care to toss a thought into the air as to why limb regrowth appears to be excluded from available miracles?Megan.Alavi
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So, I am not so sure as you seem to be about no cases of limbs growing back — have you observed all cases of reported miracles? [Then, are you not appealing to ignorance?]
If you had heard of one, you could tell me about it. Yet your still leave the door open. No, I have not observed all cased of reported miracles - is that your criteria? "Where you there?" You obviously are unaware of the 'Miracle of Calanda' the sole limb regrowth miracle I am aware of. It happened in the 1600's. Yet every day on particular TV channels (and here, to wit the "miracle cures" mentioned earlier) I'm told that miracle cures are happening. Yet no limbs regrow.
More to the point, we have cited some specific examples of miracles within the realm of our direct experience adn observations.
Indeed. But even the Pope verifies miracles. He just does not assume they are automatically a miracle. OK, the Pope might have a lower standard of proof then the scientifiec community. So, to me, examples of purpoted miracles have been given.
You now do not dispute these, you wish to dismiss them by shifting the goal posts, then inferring — on base of effectively zero sample of the possible population — that limbs don’t grow or grow back by miracles, thence, that other miracles are to be dismissed as they are not as spectacular or whatever.
No, that's what you'd like to think I am saying. What I am saying is that a) Limbs don't grow back, miracles or otherwise. b) If Limbs don't grow back (and there's no good reason to assume that they do until an example can be cited and verified) the possiblity must be left open that other miracles are not in fact miracles. What's different about limb regrowth to brain tumor cures? I'd say one possiblity is that brain tumors sometimes vanish of their own accord. Missing limbs don't appear to have the option to reappear of their own accord.
On the contrary, even if there were no recent cases of such spectacular miracles within our experience, that would not vitiate the force of the cases we do know from our own experience and close observation.
Sp are you saying is that the data point "there are not observed cases of miracle limb regrowth" can be discarded? And by definition a miracle is spectacular! What non-spectacular miracles are you aware of KF? :)Is there a sliding scale? I always thought an event was either miraculous or not! No middle ground!Megan.Alavi
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Megan: I am not omniscient. So, I am not so sure as you seem to be about no cases of limbs growing back -- have you observed all cases of reported miracles? [Then, are you not appealing to ignorance?] More to the point, we have cited some specific examples of miracles within the realm of our direct experience adn observations. You now do not dispute these, you wish to dismiss them by shifting the goal posts, then inferring -- on base of effectively zero sample of the possible population -- that limbs don't grow or grow back by miracles, thence, that other miracles are to be dismissed as they are not as spectacular or whatever. On the contrary, even if there were no recent cases of such spectacular miracles within our experience, that would not vitiate the force of the cases we do know from our own experience and close observation. Please, don't give into the temptations of selective hyperskepticism and closed minded infinitely iterated objectionism. Ah gone for sure now . . . ZZZZZZ! GEM of TKIkairosfocus
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When I told a doctor in Jamaica as a part of a subsequent job checkup, her remark was to the effect that that was not surprising at all; i.e they see such answers to prayer all the time.
Any limbs grow back?Megan.Alavi
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When the time for the more serious testing came, astonishing surprise: the cysts were gone, literally overnight. Diagnostic evidence there day one, further evidence: gone, day 2. To the great relief of one and all.
KF, I wonder if you would care to speculate on the reason why no amputee has ever been cured in the same manner? I imagine they pray just as hard. I read about miracles all the time (cancer cured, people walking again etc) yet I've never heard of a single instance of an amputee re-growing a limb? Does the entity who doles out these cures have something against amputees do you think? I can't think of a good reason.Megan.Alavi
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Hi Folks! Just hanging around a few minutes before heading back to bed to nap before facing the music later on this morning in the hot seat on the local radio station. First, the quote on the impossibility of airplanes has a very familiar ring to it -- as I recall, it was an opinion by an expert circa C19 to turn of C20, just before the Wright brothers blew the idea out of the water. Second, the modernist and ultra-modernist suspicion against miracles fails to reckon with a basic statistical insight: irregularities within a narrower pattern may well be part of a wider one. Thus, the inference from one's circle or observation and -- too often contempt-filled dismissal -- of others, is highly dubious and question-begging. The commenter above who said that open-minded agnosticism is what we should hold on miracles is right. Also, since we are at the mioracles quesiton, I note that first the mind itself is the biggest everyday miracle: and the mind is the very first and cetral experience we all have. [What we do to simply think and make up our minds is vastly beyond the reach of any concatenation of chance + necessity acting on matter + energy. Cf my latest remarks here.] In short, every time you think, reason, or decide, you are providing standing evidence of something beyond the physical world that acts into it effectually. And, given the weight of the evidence of profound intelligence and power that points to mind as the root of the observed physical cosmos, we have excellent reason to see that mind is capable of acting beyond rhew course of matter + energy under the control of mechanical necessity and chance. When it comes to experience of miracles, my favourite is that of a good friend, Jamaica scholar and daughter of a pentecostal bishop some 25 years ago in my university's medical school clinical programme, and all-time absolutely lovely and wonderfully vivacious young lady. S was found with ovarian cysts, already at a very large size. The suspicion was obvious: big C, bigtime, maybe hopelessly metastasised. Priority diagnostic testing and onward exploratory surgery. Meanwhile, fervent prayer was offered on her behalf by her home church and by many fellow med students. (BTW, ever wondered why a lot of doctors believe in miracles? They tend to be close witnesses . . .) When the time for the more serious testing came, astonishing surprise: the cysts were gone, literally overnight. Diagnostic evidence there day one, further evidence: gone, day 2. To the great relief of one and all. Then, there is the fact that were it not for healing of my back I probably could not sit up to type this. And, if it were not for a "timing miracle" where I as a very sick child leaning on my mother for help after we failed to get through at a diagnostic clinic and with my father making an astonishing mistake on his scheduling, we walked out the clinic entrance to the open door of a taxi, the driver ow which said that he knew just the doctor we needed to address obvious, utterly out of control asthma. And, that is what saved my life nigh on 40 years ago now. [These days, I COUNT on miracles of timing, a la "the steps of a good man are ordered . . ."] I should add that the ash from the early days of volcanic eruptions here re-triggered asthma, and I was called out for prayer in my home church in Barbados. After prayer, the monster went back to sleep. When I told a doctor in Jamaica as a part of a subsequent job checkup, her remark was to the effect that that was not surprising at all; i.e they see such answers to prayer all the time. Much more could be adduced, but the problem is not want of evidence but an underlying worldview level assumption that, once swallowed, makes it next to impossible to hear the evidence fairly. Hume was plainly and simply flat out wrong. Okay, ah gawn . . . GEM of TKIkairosfocus
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Mtreat, they always say they "cant understand" you. That is how they limit the language in the language game. They are pulling a Wittgenstein. Intelligent Designer? Come again? What does that mean? Specified complexity? Come again? Improbability? Huh? Creationism! That must be what you mean because I know that one.Frost122585
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"I think natural intelligences are to be preferred above supernatural intelligences in design detection, for the simple reason that we have experience with the former, but not the latter." I found this to be a slightly odd statement. After all, it pretty much begs the question doesn't it. In what sense are human intelligences "natural" ? It is definitely not obviously the case that the mind is reducible to the brain in the way the statement just asserts.Jason Rennie
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Barb: "1. Hume first writes that miracles are a violation of the laws of nature. What he really means is “Miracles are impossible because they are miraculous!” This is circular reasoning (as pointed out by BarryA)." I disagree that Hume is using circular reasoning. His rational error is more subtle than that--he is assuming that he knows all human knowledge. Hume uses a trick that he thinks no one will call him on. How does Hume know that no one has been seen to rise from the dead? While Christ's resurrection wasn't witnessed by men, the Bible mentions others whose resurrections were witnessed by men. Hume must automatically discount those evidences. How does Hume know these things? Does he really have access to the sum of human knowledge? Hume appeals to "common experience." However, there are many things which are not common experiences which nevertheless occur--stellar novations, avalanches, etc. We generally don't believe in these things because of personal experiences, but because of the testimony of others. As regards using science to study miracles, which is often suggested by atheists, in my experience--science must be methodologically natural. It cannot be used to study the supernatural due to its blindness regarding the supernatural. Hence, science can never disprove miracles.thogan
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Hey, this isn't related to the post, but I wanted to let you guys now the kind folks at pharyngula are now resorting to poll crashing. Wasn't sure if it was blogworthy, but I thought you'd enjoy knowing. http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/04/crash_this_poll.phpNoremacam
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