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The “fact” of Darwinian evolution finally has some support, or so they say at ScienceDaily

This is a significant study, but what did they actually find? Darwinian Evolution can break complex productive genetic networks  resulting in “morphological degeneration”.

“change recorded in both the fossil record and the genomes of living organisms  … shows  simultaneous molecular decay of the gene that is involved in enamel formation in mammals.”

Mammals exist without mineralized teeth (e.g., baleen whales, anteaters, pangolins) and  with teeth that lack enamel (e.g., sloths, aardvarks, and pygmy sperm whales).

“Mammals without enamel are descended from ancestral forms that had teeth with enamel,” Mark Springer of UC said. “We predicted that enamel-specific genes such as enamelin would show evidence in living organisms of molecular decay because these genes are vestigial and no longer necessary for survival.”

They found mutations in the enamelin gene that disrupt how the enamelin protein is coded, resulting in obliteration of the genetic blueprint for the enamelin protein.

Darwin argued that all organisms are descended from one or a few organisms and that natural selection drives evolutionary change. The fossil record demonstrates that the first mammals had teeth with enamel. Mammals without enamel therefore must have descended from mammals with enamel-covered teeth.

Previous studies in evolutionary biology have provided only limited evidence linking morphological degeneration in the fossil record to molecular decay in the genome.

“The molecular counterpart to vestigial organs is pseudogenes that are descended from formerly functional genes,” Springer explained. “In our research we clearly see the parallel evolution of enamel loss in the fossil record and the molecular decay of the enamelin gene into a pseudogene in representatives of four different orders of mammals that have lost enamel.”

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"I asked this same question in a comment here on UD a few months ago. Allen MacNeill answered that their ability to fly allowed them to reach new niches." But it takes over 20 million years to form a new species of birds says the Grants of Galapagos Finch fame.jerry
September 8, 2009
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Mr Joseph, Can you provide any genetic data which demonstrates the transformation required are even possible? I thought that was what the research discussed in the OP was all about, a demonstration of fossil and genetic evience reinforcing each other.Nakashima
September 8, 2009
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Timothy: If that’s really the case, then ID’s critics would be right about ID as an end of inquiry wouldn’t they? That depends entirely upon you. If you found out that a thing was designed, would you be all out of questions? If so, then that would be the end of inquiry. On the other hand, you might wonder how, when, by what or whom? There's plenty of room to explore and discover. Do you realize how ridiculous it is to suggest that knowledge might prevent science? How, on the other hand, does arbitrarily excluding a valid possibility advance science rather than stifle it?ScottAndrews
September 8, 2009
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Ms O'Leary, An interesting question is why speciation happens so readily among bats and beetles. I asked this same question in a comment here on UD a few months ago. Allen MacNeill answered that their ability to fly allowed them to reach new niches.Nakashima
September 8, 2009
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"Why? If you’ve read the glossary or done any cursory reading about ID, you should know that its purpose is not to answer such questions. " If that's really the case, then ID's critics would be right about ID as an end of inquiry wouldn't they?Lord Timothy
September 8, 2009
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Cabal, with regard to the implementation of design throughout history, I think that inquiring about Frontloading is the direction you may want to go. You may find this interesting. https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/front-loading-passes-peer-review-in-cell-cycle/ As for the knowledge of people you are discussing with, it may depend heavily upon where you go. If for example you were trying to discuss ID on myspace, you should be prepared to be disappointed.Lord Timothy
September 8, 2009
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"Joseph" (#14) asked: Anyone who thinks such a transformation (tetrapod land animals to whales) is even possible is living in fantasy-land anyway so what does it matter? Are you serious? Do you not accept the summary of cetacean evolution at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans ? Are you saying that accepting that Pakicetus and Ambulocetus are ancestors to today's whales is a fantasy? What alternative hypothesis do you propose?PaulBurnett
September 8, 2009
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Joseph:
“Descent with modification”?- what gets modified- no specifics, never anything we can test.
What's modified is the phenotype, largely as a result of mutations to the genotype, the mixing that results from sex, and the occasional HGT. Every once in a while, a UD post (such as this one) argues that a new piece of evidence suggests a strong genotype-phenotype disconnect — this is what we can test for. I'm now extremely curious — why do you keep saying "even possible", when that phrasing rules out the possibility of even a designer causing the changes? Of course the changes are "possible" — they happened! (Assuming that intermediate organisms had DNA, there was a "change".) The question is, how did the changes occur?Lenoxus
September 8, 2009
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Cabal, What I miss from all this is an answer to how design is implemented throughout history. Why? If you've read the glossary or done any cursory reading about ID, you should know that its purpose is not to answer such questions. It addresses a specific question. Why confuse the issue by asking why it doesn't explain something else? Do you ask your thermometer where the heat comes from?ScottAndrews
September 8, 2009
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Lenoxus, You have a few possible transitionals out of what 50,000 or more? Can you provide any genetic data which demonstrates the transformation required are even possible? Next you claim that CSI is vague. Yet it is more clearly defined than anything your position has to offer. "Descent with modification"?- what gets modified- no specifics, never anything we can test.Joseph
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Cabal:
What I miss from all this is an answer to how design is implemented throughout history.
That is what science is for- to help us make that determination. However that won't happen until you and your ilk are locked up or kicked out.
Is the designer present all the time, performing his magic at each speciation event observed throughout billions of years?
Do design engineers also use magic? I digress- it is YOUR position which relies on magical mystery mutations.
I find it a problem, though, that almost all design proponents I find on the web seem to know less about evolution than I do.
That you think so is the problem. Ya see if you could just substantiate the claims of your position ID would go away.Joseph
September 8, 2009
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In my reference to studies showing "gradual" genetic changes increasing function, I was probably overreaching. Everyone here is, I'm sure, aware of studies that Mario A. Lopez mentioned and dismissed as not counting, in part, I assume, because (in terms of the amount of time they took) they're not quite gradual, and, of course, digestion and resistance don't count, because even though they're new functions, they're not really FCSI. In any case, I am to this day surprised that (as far as I know) no genetic study has been shown on UD to argue for saltation — only the sparseness of the fossil record has. I know, that's kind of a tu quoque on my part, but my point is that all the evidence so far suggests that genetic change is gradual, leaving only so much wiggle-room for a designer's actions. Saltation, including the early-front-loading variety, would have an obvious footprint that we're not seeing. Clearly, psuedogene remnants are easier to look for than functional-gene predecessors, because there are many more things the latter could look like. So right now, at least, there does seem to have yet to be a well-recorded genetic record of the million-year development of one function that didn't come at the cost of another. Of course, even the study in the OP didn't actually look at something "gradual", which can be difficult when you only have access to living species — it simply compared a few genomes and looked at the differences. For all we know, those differences arrived saltationally — there's just no reason to believe that at present, though. One thing I am positive of right now is that no evidence will be found to the natural development of CSI; this is because the definition of CSI is vague enough to retreat elsewhere regardless of what function or complexity is found, in particular because of its subjective standard for determining specification. Oh, and why do I think ID predicts zero junk? Articles like a this. I take the phrase "as much as possible" to ultimately mean "100%", because if some "junk" DNA "has" to be there for the rest of the DNA to work, it's not really "junk". The prediction of little/no junk comes from ""Intelligent agents typically create functional things." However, it is a prediction which appears to clash with "genetic entropy", which suggests increasing amounts of junk over time. The two can be reconciled, but only with a hypothesis regarding which moments in history the designer intervenes to counteract entropy. Joseph:
Anyone who thinks such a transformation is even possible is living in fantasy-land
Wow… so not even a designer could have done it? (You keep forgetting to insert the "naturalistically" into that "even possible" phrase.) Look, we have the intermediates. What makes the change with those intermediates (naturalistically) impossible? Or are the intermediates themselves such that they would need non-naturalistic forces to keep them alive?Lenoxus
September 8, 2009
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What I miss from all this is an answer to how design is implemented throughout history. Is the designer present all the time, performing his magic at each speciation event observed throughout billions of years? At all locations, creating endemic species all over the planet? I am asking in all seriousness; how can I understand ID if it cannot be explained in terms a layman can understand? I find it a problem, though, that almost all design proponents I find on the web seem to know less about evolution than I do.Cabal
September 8, 2009
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PaulBurnett:
Would anybody suggest that the whales’ distant tetrapod ancestral line that moved from the sea to the land had “devolved” when they later went back to the sea?
Anyone who thinks such a transformation is even possible is living in fantasy-land anyway so what does it matter?Joseph
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Lenoxus, Are there any studies which demonstrate a gain in protein machinery? IOW what is the best evidence for something gained?Joseph
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O'Leary (9), "and less on trying to prove Darwin’s theory (an increasingly lost cause, given that Darwinian selection may be only one of the actual mechanisms of speciation)." No-one is trying to PROVE Darwin's theory. Science doesn't actually "prove" anything anyway - proofs are for mathematicians. Evolution - by whatever mechanism amongst the Modern Synthesis is so well established by the evidence that the mechanisms - including random mutation and natural selection - are actually being used. Hence the finding of Taktaalik, for instance.Gaz
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People who study evolution should, in my view, focus more on the relation between speciation and ecology People who study evolution are well-aware of the relationship. For example, toothed whales occupy a different niche than balleen whales. The variation that resulted in loss of enamel enables the balleen whales to reduce competition by exploiting a food source that toothed whales cannot use.Dave Wisker
September 8, 2009
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"I wish someone would publish something with a little more than simple “variation” or “resistance” or the ability to “digest” something new." The thing about the kinds of changes noted above is that they are easily lost or reversed when the ecology changes. No surprise there, because the alternative might be extirpation (extinction within a region). I recall extinction expert Colin Patterson pointing out in his book on extinctions that daughter species tend to go out before parent ones. People lose sight of the fact that speciation comes with that precise cost, so it may not be in the "fitness" interest of the parent species to make the final break. We often hear environmentalists bemoaning the extinction of rain forest species whose range is only a few hectares. Bingo! You can be sure that would not happen to the English sparrow or the Norway rat. An interesting question is why speciation happens so readily among bats and beetles. People who study evolution should, in my view, focus more on the relation between speciation and ecology and less on trying to prove Darwin's theory (an increasingly lost cause, given that Darwinian selection may be only one of the actual mechanisms of speciation).O'Leary
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PaulBurnett "Baleen whales are in many ways an evolutionary success, among other things being the largest animals. Suggesting that they are a product of “devolution” is wrong, as they do have enamel in their teeth – as embryos." It is interesting that you make that point. The quotes in my post are from ScienceDaily, they are not my invention. Maybe you shoul ask the authors of the paper.idnet.com.au
September 8, 2009
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Darwin argued that all organisms are descended from one or a few organisms and that natural selection drives evolutionary change. What is the benefit of not having enamel, such that natural selection would select it out for these mammals?AnaxagorasRules
September 8, 2009
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Re #2 Lenoxus And should or should not the designer “clean up” all genetic material “left over” from a change, hence leaving behind exactly zero “junk”? Lenoxus you should know by now that it is impossible to predict what the designer should do. We know nothing about its motives or powers. All outcomes are equally possible and probable.Mark Frank
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Baleen whales are in many ways an evolutionary success, among other things being the largest animals. Suggesting that they are a product of "devolution" is wrong, as they do have enamel in their teeth - as embryos. Just as other animals have vestigial organs only in utero, baleen and baleen whales are not products of the discredited biological fallacy of "devolution," but of evolution. Would anybody suggest that the whales' distant tetrapod ancestral line that moved from the sea to the land had "devolved" when they later went back to the sea? Of course not.PaulBurnett
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Lenoxus, I am not sure where you get the idea that ID proponents claim or predict that there will be absolutely no "junk" DNA. Stephen Meyer, who has spoken out against Darwinian predictions concerning junk DNA, has made it pretty clear that ID proponents do NOT deny the degradation of an aboriginal design or even that "mutational processes might have degraded or 'broken' some previously functional DNA." (see Signature in the Cell pgs 406-407) BTW--I don't know of anyone that does not believe evolution to be degrading. The article is not telling us anything we didn't already know about evolution. I wish someone would publish something with a little more than simple "variation" or "resistance" or the ability to "digest" something new. None of these minor changes get us anywhere in the grand evolutionary story as told by Darwinists! If you could provide even one example of an increase of CSI in the genome of any organism, I'd love to see it. Note: An example of CSI should exhibit functional divergence. I should point out that functional divergence does not require an increase of information; however, information increase does require functional divergence. Make sense? For example, in gene duplication the "free" duplicate may only be considered an increase of info. if it acquires a novel function (one that diverges from the original). However, The original must also maintain its function, otherwise, you just gained one function to lose another. As you know, vertical evolution requires an increase of biological information and organization. In other words, If you could show how adaptations lead to morphological innovations, I will embrace Darwinism like the fanatics at Pharyngula! No kidding!Mario A. Lopez
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Mammals without enamel therefore must have descended from mammals with enamel-covered teeth.
Should it not be the other way around? I mean, according to evolution, organisms evolve from the simple to the complex, right?Mapou
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Lenoxus "... studies that show where in the genome a function was gradually gained?" I would be very grateful if you could give me links to those studies. "should not the designer “clean up” all genetic material “left over” from a change, hence leaving behind exactly zero “junk”?" Not if devolution is independant of the designer.mad doc
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On a second reading of the OP, I think I see the insinuated point — that because it is "degeneration", this is an example of "devolution". The question is, why accept this study, which looks at a function gradually lost, and reject studies that show where in the genome a function was gradually gained? And should or should not the designer "clean up" all genetic material "left over" from a change, hence leaving behind exactly zero "junk"?Lenoxus
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If it's a psuedogene, it's definitely functional, functional, functional! Genetic entropy always removes non-functional pseudogenes from the genome. Wait, I mean the designer does that, but if the designer didn't, then entropy would cause pseudogenes, and that's why pseudogenes exist!Lenoxus
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