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New York Academy of Sciences Brings Evolutionary Biology Closer to ID

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A recent issue of the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences has just been published, and the whole issue is stacked with topics that support ID ideas – specifically, the idea that genomic evolution, to the extent that it is beneficial, is largely teleological. The introductory paper refers to the “creative genome” which contain “organizational frameworks that affect genome behavior”.

I have not read the papers, only the abstracts, so the information in this post is rather tentative. However, here are some papers that seem to be of interest to the ID community:

The issue also has counterevidence for ID such as the formation of cancers. However, it is not my contention that all mutations are teleological. You get into even dirtier water when you realize that a nonteleological mutation might affect the operation of previously teleological mutational systems (this happens when a haphazard mutation makes a sequence of DNA *look* like it should be mutable (according to the cell’s protocols) when it is not. A non-SSR sequence can have a mutation that makes it look like an SSR, or a mutation can make something look like a target for VDJ recombination. Far from disproving the idea of teleological mutations, this shows how sensitive the mutation system is to perturbation, and how unlikely it is that the present mutational system could be the result of a continual evolution of chance mutations from a non-teleological system.

It should also be noted that anytime “second order” selection or “indirect selection” is mentioned, this is not referring to a specific mechanism, but rather referring to the idea that the system itself is more beneficial than the organism without the system. This implies nothing about the ability of selection to create the system, only that it is beneficial once in place. Actually, since it is second-order selection, it does imply that it couldn’t have been built with selection, because that would have to be built directly with selection, not indirectly. In other words, if something is selectable through “indirect selection”, it relies on design for its origin.

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Neil - Teleonomy, at least as used by Mayr, referred to the actions of organisms, not to evolutionary processes. In fact, I believe this is how the use of teleonomy was justified - if it was truly teleological, then the process to bring it about would also have been teleological. Since it was presumed that evolution was not teleological, they used the term teleonomic to distinguish local from global teleology. However, now that we are finding that evolutionary processes themselves are teleonomic, it means that we are justified in classifying the whole process as teleological.johnnyb
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To all: By the way, is it only me having problems, since yesterday, in visualizing the "home" page? What comes on the screen seems to be blocked at about three days ago. I have to access the archives to see more recent pages, and even there I can only access the most recent thread (at present, this one). Is it something in my system, or a problem with the server?gpuccio
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Neil: My understanding is that biologists have always looked at it in this way, though they would probably say “teleonomical” rather than “teleological.” First of all, could you explain the difference, for us not so smart with words? :) As far as I can understand, classical neo darwinism, which should still be the main ideology among biologists, if I have not missed anything, relies heavily, if not exclusively, on RV + NS to explain the generation of biological information (protein genes, expecially). I am not aware that teleological properties of the already existing genome have ever been a major feature of niological explanation in academic science. Now, I have not read the articles linked by johhnyb, I have just read his post. So, my only comment for the moment would be: if the existing genome has teleological properties that "guide" its successive evolution (which is what I understand from the opening post), then we have to exapain not only the existing genome (before the successive evolution), but also the teleological properties already "embedded" in that genome. That, for me, means even more need of a designer. Moreover, I suppose the "Rapid venom evolution driven by noncoding DNA signals directing mutations" seems to shed new light on a subject that, if I am not wrong, is of some momentum in the present moment...gpuccio
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..., and the whole issue is stacked with topics that support ID ideas – specifically, the idea that genomic evolution, to the extent that it is beneficial, is largely teleological.
My understanding is that biologists have always looked at it in this way, though they would probably say "teleonomical" rather than "teleological."Neil Rickert
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