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Over on his Evolution Blog, Professor Jason Rosenhouse has written a post (which has been highly praised by Professor Jerry Coyne) entitled, Where can I find the really good theology? Part one. Apparently he really believes there isn’t any to be found:

We New Atheist types are often lectured about the need for studying theology. The idea is that if we tuned out the distressingly popular and highly vocal forms of religious extremism and pondered instead “the best religion has to offer,” then we would not be so hostile to religion.

…I have read a fair amount of highbrow theology. I have read my share of Augustine and Aquinas, Barth and Tillich, Kierkegaard and Kuhn, just to pick a few names. I have read quite a lot of Haught and Ward and Swinburne. I did not go into this expecting to be disappointed. Conversion seemed unlikely, but I expected at least to find a lot of food for thought. Instead, with each book and essay I read I found myself ever more horrified by the sheer vacuity of what these folks were doing. I came to despise their endlessly vague and convoluted arguments, their relentless smugness towards nonbelievers, and, most seriously, the complete lack of any solid reason for thinking they weren’t just making it up as they went along. I thought perhaps I was just reading the wrong writers, and that I would eventually come to the really good theology. But I never did.

Well, Professor Rosenhouse, I’ve been reading theology for over three decades myself, and I’ve compiled a collection of the “best of the best”: a dozen or so online articles which, when taken together, constitute a very strong philosophical case for belief in God. I’ve asterisked the ones which I think are the most important. I can assure you that the philosophers who wrote these articles are not just making it up as they go along: they’ve done a lot of hard thinking about their beliefs. If you think their arguments lack intellectual merit, I should very much like to know why.

I would also urge you to read Professor Edward Feser’s book, Aquinas. It’s about the best defense of Aristotelian Thomism that you are ever likely to read, it’s less than 200 pages long, and its arguments merit very serious consideration. You would be ill-advised to dismiss it out of hand.

Anyway, without further ado, here’s my list.

It’s your move, Professor Rosenhouse.

The modal cosmological argument

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Job Opening: Creator of the Universe — A Reply to Keith Parsons (2009) by Professor Paul Herrick. Argues that philosophical theism, far from being vulnerable to the continued progress of science, rests on a rationally satisfying and philosophically attractive logical basis that cannot, in principle, be overturned by the continued progress of natural science.

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Lecture notes and bibliography from Dr. Koons’ Western Theism course (Phil. 356). An excellent introduction to the modal cosmological argument, with a refutation of criticisms by Hume, Kant and Mackie. Also covers the design argument.

Koon’s paper, A New Look at the Cosmological Argument is more technical but definitely worth reading, especially for its rebuttals to common criticisms of the modal cosmological argument.

The cosmological fine-tuning argument: the case for the Universe having a Designer

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The Teleological Argument: An Exploration of the Fine-Tuning of the Universe by Dr. Robin Collins. In The Blackwell Companion to Natural Theology. Edited by William Lane Craig and J. P. Moreland. 2009. Blackwell Publishing Ltd. ISBN: 978-1-405-17657-6. The most up-to-date refinement of the fine-tuning argument. Comprehensive and very rigorously argued.

The Case for Cosmic Design (2008) by Dr. Robin Collins. With a reply by Dr. Paul Draper. Clarifying the Case for Cosmic Design (2008) by Dr. Robin Collins.

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The Fine-tuning of the Cosmos: A Fresh Look at its Implications by Dr. Robin Collins.

God’s simplicity

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Making Sense of Divine Simplicity (forthcoming in Faith and Philosophy) by Dr. Jeffrey Brower, of Purdue University. A number of contemporary philosophers have argued that divine simplicity is at least a coherent doctrine. For all their ingenuity, however, contemporary defenses of the doctrine continue to fall on deaf ears. Brower’s purpose in this paper is two-fold: to explain why this is case, and to mount a new defense, one that succeeds where the others have failed to resolve contemporary concerns about the doctrine’s coherence, once and for all.

God’s timelessness

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Eternity by Professor Paul Helm. Article in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.

God’s foreknowledge

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Foreknowledge and Free Will by Professor Norman Swartz. Article in the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy.
(See also Foreknowledge and Free Will by Professor Linda Zagzebski. Article in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.)

God’s goodness

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God, obligation, and the Euthyphro dilemma by Professor Edward Feser. (October 26, 2010.)

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C. S. Lewis and the Euthyphro Dilemmaby Dr. Steve Lovell. Please scroll down to read the article.
The article addresses the question: are actions good because God commands them, or does God command them because they are good? According to what Lovell calls the Divine Nature Theory, morality is rooted not in God’s commands, but in God’s necessary and immutable nature, which is essentially good.

God as the Grounding of Moral Objectivity: Defending Against Euthyphro by Dr. Steve Lovell. Please scroll down to read the article.
Abstract: The Euthyphro Dilemma (is x good because God says it’s good, or does God say x is good because it is good?), has been used as an argument against Theistic Ethics for hundreds of years. Plato was the first to use it. Since then Bertrand Russell, Kai Nielsen and many others have sought to really push it home. My aim in this paper is to show that the dilemma (as posed by both Russell and Nielsen) is a false one. Theistic ethics does survive the Euthyphro dilemma. I take up and defend Aquinas’ position: that God himself (or his nature) is the standard of goodness, and not his commands. This position avoids the dilemma since God’s commands / morality will not be arbitrary (since they are/it is rooted in God’s nature), and Goodness will not be in any sense anterior to God either.

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KF: Have you read, "The Fallacy of Fine-Tuning: Why the Universe Is Not Designed for Us" by Victor J. Stenger yet? He makes the point that the various constants can actually be adjusted over a wide range while still providing a universe that will support life - you just can't adjust only one constant. Think of wheel bearings and axles. If you shrink the hole in the wheel bearing even one or two percent, the well won't fit on the axle, but if you shrink the axle too everything works fine. He also makes the point that carbon is what this universe uses for life, but another universe might have a completely different set of structures that do the same things that atoms do in ours - and they would have people marvelling at how their universe was "designed" so exquisitely that it produced exactly the set of structures that are necessary for life. But there's something even more important: this universe is NOT designed for life! 99.9999999999999999999999999999999+ percent of this universe is utterly lethal for any kind of life. Most of it is a vacuum which will suffocate and freeze any life form in minutes. The rest is mostly incandescent balls of gas that will vaporize all forms of life instantly. The ONLY place where we have found life so far is on and in the crust of one planet, the earth. We MIGHT find primative organisms on the crust of a few other planets and moons. On earth, life is found on the crust, down a few kilometers into the crust and maybe you'll find a bacterium floating on a dust mite five to ten kilometers above the earth. Think of a shell the size of the earth and maybe 20 meters thick and that's all the space that is suitable for life on earth and maybe in the solar system. Compare that to the huge size of the sun, the even larger size of the solar system and then the staggering distance to the nearest stars (which are almost certainly not life supporting) and you'll start to appreciate the ultra ultra ultra tiny part of the local galaxy that will support life. And then reflect that that shell will only support life for a few billion more years before the sun turns into a red giant and swallows the earth whole. And, as Dr. Gonzalez says, we live in the galaxy's habitable zone, a veritable garden spot compared to the rest of the galaxy and our galaxy is a garden spot compared to intergalactic space. And think of our sun, dwarfing the earth in size and consuming 700 million tons of hydrogen every second and wasting almost every bit of it on uninhabited space and sterile planets. The sun is going to died in a few billion years and life on earth (and the earth!) with it, but if that energy was conserved and used wisely, it could support life for trillions of years. And then think of all the mass wasted in other stars that could have gone to support life. Not a very intelligent design! I'd like to hope that if there are other universes out there, some of them are actually suitable for life.dmullenix
July 18, 2011
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Mung at 31: And you would characterize the statement that "God has always existed" as what? As I said, multiverses have been found to be implied in every cosmological theory invented in the last 75 years. But if you say it's impossible, I'll remember that when evaluating those theories. Speaking of theories, I assume that we're in general agreement that this universe was somehow created about 14-15 billion years ago. Since universes seem to be "free" with respect to energy/matter and their information content at their beginning is meager, what do you think stops other universes from also being created?dmullenix
July 18, 2011
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dm:
Mung at 23 Small amounts of information (I really shouldn’t have said CSI here) can be accounted for through random noise.
lol. Need I say more?Mung
July 18, 2011
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dm:
The best guess/theory for the existence of the universe says it was produced from a pre-existing multiverse and the multiverse may be eternal.
So you've elevated guess to the level of theory? Or are theories no better than guesses? And the evidence for this guess is? This universe was produced from a pre-existing multiverse. How? Magick? This universe was produced from a pre-existing multiverse. And the evidence for this is...? The multiverse may be eternal. And the evidence for this is...?Mung
July 18, 2011
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F/N 2: Bantay over at the Cosmological ID thread has commented, aptly: _________ B, 10 in Cosmo ID thread: >> I can see how some faithful may believe that a multiverse (if it exists) would provide an infinite number of chances for Darwinism to work, but that simply requires too much a priori assumptions that are outside of what science has been defined to define. They’ve kinda shot themselves in their own foot by limiting the definition of science to natural causes in this case. It won’t be long before multiverse adherents begin to claim an exception to the rules of science they hold so dear…empiricism, observability, testability. Pertaining to Darwinism and the origin of life issue, the multiverse sounds more like a “Nature of the gaps” argument to me. When the origin of life cannot be explained by natural causes, just invoke something unobserved and untestable….Then expect someone to believe it is science. Nope. I’ll stick with what good science and mathematics continue to show increasing support for: An absolute, singular beginning of the universe from no pre-existing matter and the actual beginning of all energy and 3 dimensional space-time, a universe where its physical laws are both fixed and contained. >> __________ Looks like the metaphysical cat has leaped out of the "scientific" bag held by evolutionary materialists.kairosfocus
July 18, 2011
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F/N: I have clipped choice parts of the exchange here over at the cosmological ID thread, here.kairosfocus
July 18, 2011
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PS: The notion that complex enough islands of function to count (more than 500 - 1,00 bits worth of functionally specific and complex info) can be found by darwinian random walks rewarded by differential trial and error success can explain the information in life forms from the first cell [100+ k bits] to the dozens of body plans [10 - 100 mn+ bits] , simply fails to understand the magnitude of search challenge required to find events E in narrow and UN-representative specified zones, T of vast config spaces, W. At just 1,000 bits, W has in it 1.07*10^301 possibilities, where our observed cosmos has in it a capacity to scan through just 10^150 Planck time quantum states [PTQS's], or less than 1 in 10^150 of the space. That is enough to sample the typical patterns, but that is the problem by another name. For, credibly, functionally specific and complex zones are exactly UN-representative and so present the needle in the haystack problem to a search, on steroids. A near zero relative fraction is utterly unlikely to find a needle in a haystack. Of course, to get around htis, DM is now resorting to -- SPECULATIVE METAPHYSICS. He posits tha the relevant necessary being is in effect a quasi-infinite multiverse, as thought hat were a matter of indisputable fact. Begging the question on steroids. Once you are beyond the realm of empirically testable science, you are now at the table of comparative difficulties across worldviews, DM. Thus, the theology you so patently despise and wish to dismiss is at the table -- and not by sufferance but of right, the issue of the IS-OUGHT gap of materialistic atheism is at the table, and the question of the history of a certain Jesus of Nazareth and the 500 eye witnesses to his resurrection (as well as millions who have met him in life transforming miracle working power across 2,000 years) is also at the table. Are you sure you want to enter into a wider exchange on those terms?kairosfocus
July 18, 2011
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Folks: I guess I have to take the idea of a low amount of CSI at the origin of the cosmos to mean that the assertion is that the evident functionally specific, complex organisation to put our observed cosmos at a finely tuned operating point for C-chemistry, aqueous medium, cell based life [each of these is loaded!], is that there is a programming superlaw that forces a cosmos like this to emerge, and/or that there is a quasi-infinite matrix of sub-cosmi with a wide enough and fine-grained enough distribution that it was moe or less inevitable to pick up our particular operating point by chance. The first of these boils down to kicking up the finetuning one level: where did such a programming law come from? The second runs into the cosmic bakery problem highlighted by Robin Collins: we happen to be at a highly precise knee or spike in the field of credibly possible cosmological contingencies. So, we are back at the problem of so fine grained a sampling that we are looking at a proposed quasi-infinite multiverse, which has to be just right so as to search the right zone finely enough to be likely to capture that knee, and not just put out the equivalent of baked hockey pucks or half baked doughy messes. On either fork, you are looking at fine tuning at a higher level, as Leslie's lone fly on the stretch of wall example pointed out. Multiply that fine tuning by the credible fact of a definite beginning, and you are -- even through a multiverse -- looking at a root, necessary (thus non-contingent) being to explain the contingencies. So, either a fine-tuned multiverse that you refuse to push further on its evident contingency [by virtue of that fine-tuning], or else, directly to a necessary being with ability to set up a cosmos that is fine tuned. Those are your realistic options. Either prong of the fork goes back to the same handle. And, for those inclined to be materialists and/or "scientific" atheists, this is where science is pointing (we have moved beyond science here but are starting from the scientific findings that ground it) to an evident causal pattern that, even when one plugs in an evasive metaphysical speculation [the undetectable multiverse], keeps persistently pointing to a root cause in a necessary -- no dependence on external causes so no beginning and no end --being with the power, knowledge, skill and purpose to create a cosmos like we inhabit. GEM of TKIkairosfocus
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Ipadron at 12 The small amount of information that this universe contained at the Big Bang probably came from noise in the multiverse that produced this universe. Mung at 19 “New Atheists” (which are basically the same as the old atheists) are all from the western world and the western world is almost entirely Christian, hence western atheists are predominantly concerned with Christianity. Ipadron at 20 See above. We atheists aren’t that concerned with name calling from established religion, especially since their insults are all-inclusive. YOU are also a “no good sinner that falls short every day” according to Christian doctrine. vjt at 21 One of the reasons theology and much of philosophy is thought of as an intellectual backwater is because it really thinks questions about contingency vs. necessity are important. This is all part of trying to prove/disprove the existence of God through pure logic and that has never worked. Hasn’t theology thought of anything new in the last two thousand years? The best guess/theory for the existence of the universe says it was produced from a pre-existing multiverse and the multiverse may be eternal. The multiverse is thought to exist because it literally keeps falling out of every cosmological theory anybody has thought up in the last 75 years. You just can’t get rid of it! For anybody objecting to the multiverse eternally existing, I can only point out that God is also supposed to be eternal, but He’s infinitely more complicated and hence less likely than any proposed multiverse. Darwinian evolution is a factory for generating CSI. The initial information is generated by randomly mutating DNA. This new DNA pattern is new information, but odds are that it’s useless information. Natural selection weeds the crap information out by the simple expedient of trying to manage an organism with it. If it works, that new information goes on to reproduce itself and it’s added to the store of CSI. (The specification is “Capable of running an organism”.) If it doesn’t work, it’s automatically discarded with the failed organism. The result: a slow but steady accumulation of new CSI. When investigating omniscient beings, watch out for the “knows the future” trap. If something knows the future, the future is fixed and free will goes “poof”. Mung at 22 If you read Part 8 of vjt’s first suggested reading, “Job Opening: Creator of the Universe …” by Paul Herrick, you’ll see that he asks questions like, “"Why does this past-eternal-series of humans as a whole exist?" Why not a different series of human beings, one with different members? Why does the inventory of all that actually exists include this (past-eternal) series of human beings, rather than some other (past-eternal) series of human beings?” on his way to pointing out that an eternal series of men, with each man’s characteristics being inherited from the man before him, doesn’t account for the existence of the characteristics. It’s a valid argument, but a little annoying since we don’t believe that men have always existed and account for them via Darwinian evolution. He should have found a better example to illustrate his point. Mung at 23 Small amounts of information (I really shouldn’t have said CSI here) can be accounted for through random noise. Large amounts of CSI can’t be accounted for at all, theologically, except by positing a pre-existing Being with even more CSI which they cannot account for. Theologians have to find ways to bury this embarassing reality under important sounding phrases like, “eternally existing”. See Professor Herrick above for his comments on this. Mung at 24 Sorry for the confusion. “A more or less chaotic low information metaverse that spits out low information universes like this one was at the beginning” is more likely than a “super complicated mind of an omniscient Being?” being produced through any non-Darwinian process. The problem was probably on my end – I wrote that entry from an iPad, forgetting until too late that you can’t scroll back and edit what you’ve written with the iPad. Hence the poor phrasing. It was a first draft. vjt at 25 No one says they do.dmullenix
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Great comment from junkdnaforlife over at kairosfocus' latest post: "The laws of physics cannot explain the laws of physics." Precisely.vjtorley
July 17, 2011
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dmullenix:
What’s more likely? A more or less chaotic low information metaverse that spits out low information universes like this one was at the beginning or the super complicated mind of an omniscient Being?
Which is more likely? I mean, you ask the question, but don't answer it. Is the answer supposed to be obvious? Why so?Mung
July 17, 2011
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dmullenix:
We can account for the existence of this universe by noting that it contained only a very small amount of CSI at the beginning...
Things which contain only a small amount of CSI can poof into existence magically, while things which contain a large amount of CSI can poof into existence only if they do so Magically.Mung
July 17, 2011
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dmullenix:
Atheists have no problem accounting for the existence of men without resorting to an infinite regress of men
Unlike ID, which requires an infinite regress of men. Unlike Creationism, which requires an infinite regress of men. What's your point dm, if you have one?Mung
July 17, 2011
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dmullenix (#11) Thank you for your post. A universe with a single law and very low CSI would still be contingent, so it would be reasonable to ask where it came from. There's nothing obviously wrong with that question. (See also https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/why-this-universe-good-question-part-two-of-a-reply-to-professor-keith-parsons/ , which I haven't followed up to yet.) You suggest that the universe's CSI can spontaneously increase. I take it then that you would disagree with claims that the total CSI of the universe is conserved. Even if you are right, it is still a contingent fact about the universe that its CSI is able to grow. That also needs explaining. By the way, I haven't forgotten your interesting argument at the end of my recent post entitled, Two pretty good arguments for atheism (courtesy of Dave Mullenix) , to the effect that any omniscient being would necessarily be complex (or else it could not extract information from the universe), and I will be returning to it in the near future. All I will say for now is that your argument contains certain assumptions. Hence I would regard the notion of a necessary omniscient being as a philosophically defensible one.vjtorley
July 17, 2011
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Mung, "Why do the “New Atheists” restrict themselves to criticism of Christian theology (or do they)?" Chiefly, I believe, because nothing is as infuriating as a belief system that tells you in no uncertain terms that you're a no good sinner that falls short every day. New atheists can barely stifle their outrage, contempt and disdain. That does not originate with christianity simply being wrong. That's a pricked conscience we're hearing.lpadron
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So the OP does raise an interesting question. Where's a good place for someone new to theology to begin? Is theology limited to Christian theology? Why do the "New Atheists" restrict themselves to criticism of Christian theology (or do they)? How well read in Muslim theology is Rosenhouse?Mung
July 17, 2011
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es58, how do you think families are made?Mung
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OT: Question to moderator: Would have thought this was a family friendly blog, so what's with the adds from Fredericks of Hollywood?es58
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I came to despise their endlessly vague and convoluted arguments, their relentless smugness towards nonbelievers, and, most seriously, the complete lack of any solid reason for thinking they weren’t just making it up as they went along.
Yes Barb, I'm with you. This doesn't sound at all like Kuhn to me. And yes, noticeably absent are CS Lewis and GK Chesterton. And I most certainly would not recommend Barth, Tillich, or Kierkegaard for those who lack a fundamental foundation in theology.Mung
July 17, 2011
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We New Atheist types are often lectured about the need for studying theology. The idea is that if we tuned out the distressingly popular and highly vocal forms of religious extremism and pondered instead “the best religion has to offer,” then we would not be so hostile to religion.
STRAWMAN!!! Sheesh. Never believe anything a 'New Atheist' proposes as a premise for an argument. The problem is not that they would be less hostile to religion if only they understood religion better. The problem is that the arguments they put forth are blatantly WRONG because they are ignorant about basic aspects of theology. Study up, get rid of the ignorance, and come back with a real argument.Mung
July 17, 2011
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What I'm going to say is admittedly dogmatic and perhaps deserves to be ignored. But I'll say it anyway. The greatest reason for belief in God is the Bible. For those who haven't encountered it, the second best is the existence of what we see around us. Next to the Bible, the combined thoughts of any and all philosophers is fingerpainting and crayon scribbles. They strike close to meaning when they quote scripture. The rest of the time they abandon it in favor of their own wisdom and cleverness. People seek God for wisdom and knowledge beyond that of man, not to find out what the smartest of really smart men have to say. It's empty by comparison.ScottAndrews
July 17, 2011
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Of related note: TWO DOZEN (OR SO) THEISTIC ARGUMENTS - Lecture Notes by Alvin Plantinga - Professor of Philosophy Notre Dame http://philofreligion.homestead.com/files/theisticarguments.html Sure Faith Without Proof (Alvin Plantinga) - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_wRu19xJgbornagain77
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dmullenix: I readily admit to being an idiot. Take that into account when I respectfully ask where the low information came from and how things "just exist".lpadron
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Your first reference, "Job opening..." fails. Atheists have no problem accounting for the existence of men without resorting to an infinite regress of men - Darwinian evolution does that very well. We can account for the existence of this universe by noting that it contained only a very small amount of CSI at the beginning - just some energy confined in a very small space and a few laws - maybe just one law that split into all the other laws randomly as this universe expanded and cooled. That would mean that the metaverse that spawned this universe could also be very simple - just something chaotic with very little CSI in it - something that could "just exist" without straining probability with questions like, "Where did all that highly structured information come from?" since no highly structured information would be needed. But Professor Herrick Tries to make God a "necessary being" as if that would somehow account for the existence of the gigabytes of highly structured information that are necessary for even a lowly human consciousness, let alone a being that was "personal" and "knows, desires, and makes consciously willed choices" let alone having "unlimited power ("omnipotence"), knowledge ("omniscience"), and goodness ("omnibenevolence")." What's more likely? A more or less chaotic low information metaverse that spits out low information universes like this one was at the beginning or the super complicated mind of an omniscient Being?dmullenix
July 17, 2011
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If by 'argument,' one means validly drawn inferences which logically follow from sound premises, then there are no arguments for atheism to rebut, in the first place. When one examines the "arguments" presented for atheism, and when one recollects that so-called atheists (*) so frequently assert that *they* are rationally following reason and that *we* are irrationally [doing X, Y, Z, take your pick], then one realizes the justifcation for asking, "This is the vaunted logic of atheism" (*) there are exceeding few actual atheists in the world.Ilion
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Ever notice how often the rebuttal of an argument for atheism can begin with the question, "This is the vaunted logic of atheism?" "Conversion seemed unlikely..." I daresay that conversion was never on the negotiating table to begin with. Here is the proof: "...and, most seriously, the complete lack of any solid reason for thinking they weren’t just making it up as they went along." Which sounds a lot like the argument from ignorance. "Can I prove they're not making it up? No. Therefore, they're making it up."EvilSnack
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"I have read my share of Augustine and Aquinas, Barth and Tillich, Kierkegaard and Kuhn, just to pick a few names. I have read quite a lot of Haught and Ward and Swinburne. I did not go into this expecting to be disappointed" What, exactly, did you read? "Conversion seemed unlikely, but I expected at least to find a lot of food for thought. Instead, with each book and essay I read I found myself ever more horrified by the sheer vacuity of what these folks were doing." What is vacuous about their writings? Be specific. "I came to despise their endlessly vague and convoluted arguments, their relentless smugness towards nonbelievers, and, most seriously, the complete lack of any solid reason for thinking they weren’t just making it up as they went along." What about their arguments was vague and convoluted? What examples can you give of their smugness towards nonbelievers? "I thought perhaps I was just reading the wrong writers, and that I would eventually come to the really good theology. But I never did." Or you read all their writings with a completely closed mind which, I might add, is the position taken by an irrational person who only sees and hears what he wants to see and hear without being objective.Barb
July 16, 2011
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My favorite work of theology - "The Everlasting Man" by G. K. Chesterton.johnnyb
July 16, 2011
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PaV and CannuckianYankee, Great minds obviously think alike. I was thinking the exact same thing. When it comes to making stuff up as you go along, Darwinism wins the grand prize with a cherry on top. In no other field of "science" is thoroughly unsubstantiated, perfectly speculative storytelling so ubiquitous and voluminous -- and accepted by the "scientific" community without question or dissent. In the case of cosmic ID the situation is even worse. The evidence for design of the laws of physics with the ultimate goal of producing a life-permitting universe is so obvious that detractors have been reduced to proposing an infinitude of in-principle undetectable alternate universes. If this is the case, nothing is impossible and everything is inevitable. Like Antony Flew, I abandoned my materialistic atheism in large part because the argument from design was so compelling. In addition, I found the arguments against the argument from design to be obviously rooted in an unwillingness to follow the evidence where it clearly leads, and indicative of a sense of panic and desperation.GilDodgen
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When he says : "i have read my share" does he mean: "i have read the bare minimum needed to write a dismissive, arrogant, smug, and ignorant article that makes a brushing aside, hand having statement against a millenium's worth of excellent theological thought." ?? Or: "even though there are compelling, well-formed ideas put forth by many of these superior theological thinkers; I will choose to ignore them because they don't agree with my dyed in the wool worldview" ?? I haven't decided how to interpret that yet.MedsRex
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