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Update:  When I saw the quote originally posted here, I researched it and found an attribution to a source.  (The Birth Control Review of 1933-34).  It turns out that attribution was mistaken.  For posting an inaccurate quotation I apologize.  That said, the general views expressed in the quotation were in fact held by Margaret Sanger.  I replace the original post with this from Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism”:

 

Margaret Sanger, whose American Birth Control League became Planned Parenthood, was the founding mother of the birth-control movement. She is today considered a liberal saint, a founder of modern feminism, and one of the leading lights of the Progressive pantheon. Gloria Feldt of Planned Parenthood proclaims, “I stand by Margaret Sanger’s side,” leading “the organization that carries on Sanger’s legacy.” Planned Parenthood’s first black president, Faye Wattleton — Ms. magazine’s “Woman of the Year” in 1989 — said that she was “proud” to be “walking in the footsteps of Margaret Sanger.” Planned Parenthood gives out annual Maggie Awards to individuals and organizations who advance Sanger’s cause. Recipients are a Who’s Who of liberal icons, from the novelist John Irving to the producers of NBC’s West Wing. What Sanger’s liberal admirers are eager to downplay is that she was a thoroughgoing racist who subscribed completely to the views of E. A. Ross and other “raceologists.” Indeed, she made many of them seem tame.

Sanger was born into a poor family of eleven children in Corning, New York, in 1879. In 1902 she received her degree as a registered nurse. In 1911 she moved to New York City, where she fell in with the transatlantic bohemian avant-garde of the burgeoning fascist moment. “Our living-room,” she wrote in her autobiography, “became a gathering place where liberals, anarchists, Socialists and I.W.W.’s could meet.” A member of the Women’s Committee of the New York Socialist Party, she participated in all the usual protests and demonstrations. In 1912 she started writing what amounted to a sex-advice column for the New York Call, dubbed “What Every Girl Should Know.” The overriding theme of her columns was the importance of contraception.

A disciple of the anarchist Emma Goldman — another eugenicist — Sanger became the nation’s first “birth control martyr” when she was arrested for handing out condoms in 1917. In order to escape a subsequent arrest for violating obscenity laws, she went to England, where she fell under the thrall of Havelock Ellis, a sex theorist and ardent advocate of forced sterilization. She also had an affair with H. G. Wells, the self-avowed champion of “liberal fascism.” Her marriage fell apart early, and one of her children — whom she admitted to neglecting — died of pneumonia at age four. Indeed, she always acknowledged that she wasn’t right for family life, admitting she was not a “fit person for love or home or children or anything which needs attention or consideration.”

Under the banner of “reproductive freedom,” Sanger subscribed to nearly all of the eugenic views discussed above. She sought to ban reproduction of the unfit and regulate reproduction for everybody else. She scoffed at the soft approach of the “positive” eugenicists, deriding it as mere “cradle competition” between the fit and the unfit. “More children from the fit, less from the unfit — that is the chief issue of birth control,” she frankly wrote in her 1922 book The Pivot of Civilization. (The book featured an introduction by Wells, in which he proclaimed, “We want fewer and better children…and we cannot make the social life and the world-peace we are determined to make, with the ill-bred, ill-trained swarms of inferior citizens that you inflict on us.” Two civilizations were at war: that of progress and that which sought a world “swamped by an indiscriminate torrent of progeny.”

A fair-minded person cannot read Sanger’s books, articles, and pamphlets today without finding similarities not only to Nazi eugenics but to the dark dystopias of the feminist imagination found in such allegories as Margaret Atwood’s Handmaid’s Tale. As editor of The Birth Control Review, Sanger regularly published the sort of hard racists we normally associate with Goebbels or Himmler. Indeed, after she resigned as editor, The Birth Control Review ran articles by people who worked for Goebbels and Himmler. For example, when the Nazi eugenics program was first getting wide attention, The Birth Control Review was quick to cast the Nazis in a positive light, giving over its pages for an article titled “Eugenic Sterilization: An Urgent Need,” by Ernst Rüdin, Hitler’s director of sterilization and a founder of the Nazi Society for Racial Hygiene. In 1926 Sanger proudly gave a speech to a KKK rally in Silver Lake, New Jersey.

One of Sanger’s closest friends and influential colleagues was the white supremacist Lothrop Stoddard, author of The Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy. In the book he offered his solution for the threat posed by the darker races: “Just as we isolate bacterial invasions, and starve out the bacteria, by limiting the area and amount of their food supply, so we can compel an inferior race to remain in its native habitat.” When the book came out, Sanger was sufficiently impressed to invite him to join the board of directors of the American Birth Control League.

Sanger’s genius was to advance Ross’s campaign for social control by hitching the racist-eugenic campaign to sexual pleasure and female liberation. In her “Code to Stop Overproduction of Children,” published in 1934, she decreed that “no woman shall have a legal right to bear a child without a permit…no permit shall be valid for more than one child.”47 But Sanger couched this fascistic agenda in the argument that “liberated” women wouldn’t mind such measures because they don’t really want large families in the first place. In a trope that would be echoed by later feminists such as Betty Friedan, she argued that motherhood itself was a socially imposed constraint on the liberty of women. It was a form of what Marxists called false consciousness to want a large family.

Sanger believed — prophetically enough — that if women conceived of sex as first and foremost a pleasurable experience rather than a procreative act, they would embrace birth control as a necessary tool for their own personal gratification. She brilliantly used the language of liberation to convince women they weren’t going along with a collectivist scheme but were in fact “speaking truth to power,” as it were. This was the identical trick the Nazis pulled off. They took a radical Nietzschean doctrine of individual will and made it into a trendy dogma of middle-class conformity. This trick remains the core of much faddish “individualism” among rebellious conformists on the American cultural left today. Nonetheless, Sanger’s analysis was surely correct, and led directly to the widespread feminist association of sex with political rebellion. Sanger in effect “bought off” women (and grateful men) by offering tolerance for promiscuity in return for compliance with her eugenic schemes.

In 1939 Sanger created the above-mentioned “Negro Project,” which aimed to get blacks to adopt birth control. Through the Birth Control Federation, she hired black ministers (including the Reverend Adam Clayton Powell Sr.), doctors, and other leaders to help pare down the supposedly surplus black population. The project’s racist intent is beyond doubt. “The mass of significant Negroes,” read the project’s report, “still breed carelessly and disastrously, with the result that the increase among Negroes…is [in] that portion of the population least intelligent and fit.” Sanger’s intent is shocking today, but she recognized its extreme radicalism even then. “We do not want word to go out,” she wrote to a colleague, “that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”

It is possible that Sanger didn’t really want to “exterminate” the Negro population so much as merely limit its growth. Still, many in the black community saw it that way and remained rightly suspicious of the Progressives’ motives. It wasn’t difficult to see that middle-class whites who consistently spoke of “race suicide” at the hands of dark, subhuman savages might not have the best interests of blacks in mind. This skepticism persisted within the black community for decades. Someone who saw the relationship between abortion and race from a less trusting perspective telegrammed Congress in 1977 to tell them that abortion amounted to “genocide against the black race.” And he added, in block letters, “AS A MATTER OF CONSCIENCE I MUST OPPOSE THE USE OF FEDERAL FUNDS FOR A POLICY OF KILLING INFANTS.” This was Jesse Jackson, who changed his position when he decided to seek the Democratic nomination.

Just a few years ago, the racial eugenic “bonus” of abortion rights was something one could only admit among those fully committed to the cause, and even then in politically correct whispers. No more. Increasingly, this argument is acceptable on the left, as are arguments in favor of eugenics generally.

In 2005 the acclaimed University of Chicago economist Steven Levitt broke the taboo with his critical and commercial hit Freakonomics (co-written with Stephen Dubner). The most sensational chapter in the book updated a paper Levitt had written in 1999 which argued that abortion cuts crime. “Legalized abortion led to less unwantedness; unwantedness leads to high crime; legalized abortion, therefore, led to less crime.” Freakonomics excised all references to race and never connected the facts that because the aborted fetuses were disproportionately black and blacks disproportionately contribute to the crime rate, reducing the size of the black population reduces crime. Yet the press coverage acknowledged this and didn’t seem to mind.

In 2005 William Bennett, a committed pro-lifer, invoked the Levitt argument in order to denounce eugenic thinking. “I do know that it’s true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could — if that were your sole purpose — you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down.” What seemed to offend liberals most was that Bennett had accidentally borrowed some conventional liberal logic to make a conservative point, and, as with the social Darwinists of yore, that makes liberals quite cross. According to the New York Times’s Bob Herbert, Bennett believed “exterminating blacks would be a most effective crime-fighting tool.” Various liberal spokesmen, including Terry McAuliffe, the former head of the Democratic National Committee, said Bennett wanted to exterminate “black babies.” Juan Williams proclaimed that Bennett’s remarks speak “to a deeply racist mindset.”

In one sense, this is a pretty amazing turnaround. After all, when liberals advocate them, we are usually told that abortions do not kill “babies.” Rather, they remove mere agglomerations of cells and tissue or “uterine contents.” If hypothetical abortions committed for allegedly conservative ends are infanticide, how can actual abortions performed for liberal ends not be?

Some liberals are honest about this. In 1992 Nicholas Von Hoffman argued in the Philadelphia Inquirer:

Free cheap abortion is a policy of social defense. To save ourselves from being murdered in our beds and raped on the streets, we should do everything possible to encourage pregnant women who don’t want the baby and will not take care of it to get rid of the thing before it turns into a monster… At their demonstration, the anti-abortionists parade around with pictures of dead and dismembered fetuses. The pro-abortionists should meet these displays with some of their own: pictures of the victims of the unaborted — murder victims, rape victims, mutilation victims — pictures to remind us that the fight for abortion is but part of the larger struggle for safe homes and safe streets.

Later that same year, the White House received a letter from the Roe v. Wade co-counsel Ron Weddington, urging the new president-elect to rush RU-486 — the morning-after pill — to the market as quickly as possible. Weddington’s argument was refreshingly honest:

[Y]ou can start immediately to eliminate the barely educated, unhealthy and poor segment of our country. No, I’m not advocating some sort of mass extinction of these unfortunate people. Crime, drugs and disease are already doing that. The problem is that their numbers are not only replaced but increased by the birth of millions of babies to people who can’t afford to have babies. There, I’ve said it. It’s what we all know is true, but we only whisper it, because as liberals who believe in individual rights, we view any program which might treat the disadvantaged as discriminatory, mean-spirited and… well… so Republican.

[G]overnment is also going to have to provide vasectomies, tubal ligations and abortions. . , . There have been about 30 million abortions in this country since Roe v. Wade. Think of all the poverty, crime and misery . . . and then add 30 million unwanted babies to the scenario. We lost a lot of ground during the Reagan-Bush religious orgy. We don’t have a lot of time left.

How, exactly, is this substantively different from Margaret Sanger’s self-described “religion of birth control,” which would, she wrote, “ease the financial load of caring for with public funds . . . children destined to become a burden to themselves, to their family, and ultimately to the nation”?

The issue here is not the explicit intent of liberals or the rationalizations they invoke to deceive themselves about the nature of abortion. Rather, it is to illustrate that even when motives and arguments change, the substance of the policy remains in its effects. After the Holocaust discredited eugenics per se, neither the eugenicists nor their ideas disappeared. Rather, they went to ground in fields like family planning and demography and in political movements such as feminism. Indeed, in a certain sense Planned Parenthood is today more eugenic than Sanger intended. Sanger, after all, despised abortion. She denounced it as “barbaric” and called abortionists “bloodsucking men with M.D. after their names.” Abortion resulted in “an outrageous slaughter” and “the killing of babies,” which even the degenerate offspring of the unfit did not deserve.

So forget about intent: Look at results. Abortion ends more black lives than heart disease, cancer, accidents, AIDS, and violent crime combined. African Americans constitute little more than 12 percent of the population but have more than a third (37 percent) of abortions. That rate has held relatively constant, though in some regions the numbers are much starker; in Mississippi, black women receive some 72 percent of all abortions, according to the Centers for Disease Control. Nationwide, 512 out of every 1,000 black pregnancies end in an abortion. Revealingly enough, roughly 80 percent of Planned Parenthood’s abortion centers are in or near minority communities. Liberalism today condemns a Bill Bennett who speculates about the effects of killing unborn black children; but it also celebrates the actual killing of unborn black children, and condemns him for opposing it.

Of course, orthodox eugenics also aimed at the “feebleminded” and “useless bread gobblers” — which included everyone from the mentally retarded to an uneducated and malnourished underclass to recidivist criminals. When it comes to today’s “feebleminded,” influential voices on the left now advocate the killing of “defectives” at the beginning of life and at the end of life. Chief among them is Peter Singer, widely hailed as the most important living philosopher and the world’s leading ethicist. Professor Singer, who teaches at Princeton, argues that unwanted or disabled babies should be killed in the name of “compassion.” He also argues that the elderly and other drags on society should be put down when their lives are no longer worth living.

Singer doesn’t hide behind code words and euphemisms in his belief that killing babies isn’t always wrong, as one can deduce from his essay titled “Killing Babies Isn’t Always Wrong” (nor is he a lone voice in the wilderness; his views are popular or respected in many academic circles). But that hasn’t caused the Left to ostracize him in the slightest (save in Germany, where people still have a visceral sense of where such logic takes you). Of course, not all or even most liberals agree with Singer’s prescriptions, but nor do they condemn him as they do, say, a William Bennett. Perhaps they recognize in him a kindred spirit.

 

 

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Kantian Naturalist
What “objective” has to mean here is something like “true or false independent of what any particular person believes to be the case”.
I can work with that definition as well as my own. It doesn't matter. The point is that God is the only possible source for objective morality as you define it or as I define it. If God is its source, then it does not evolve. In other words, your attempt to make objective morality changeable by pitting it against absolute truth doesn't work for reasons already indicated. If, therefore, you want to argue that objective morality is, or can be, malleable, you must identify some source for objective morality other than God and explain why it is, indeed, malleable. I have already done part of the work for you by providing some of those alleged sources, such as evolution, reason, conscience, nature, pragmatism, sentiment, and culture. All you have to do is pick one from the list and argue for it.StephenB
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I don’t think you understand the very distinctions that you are trying to make. The counterpoise to objective morality (outside the human) is subjective morality (inside the human), just as the counterpoise to absolute morality (no exceptions) is relative morality (depending on the situation or person). In each case, the first element is unchanging and the second element is always changing. Absolute morality emphasizes the changing and non-negotiable nature of the principle, which is the natural moral law. Objective morality, on the other hand, weighs that same unchanging principle against the changing circumstances in which it is applied. In neither case is the principle itself malleable or contingent. If objective morality was changeable, it could not be binding, which means that it would not be morality at all – merely custom.
The characterization of "objective" as "outside the human" and of "subjective" as "inside the human" won't do just as it stands, but with a bit of clarification, it might. What "objective" has to mean here is something like "true or false independent of what any particular person believes to be the case". But there can be all sort of objective truths about human beings -- psychology, sociology, anthropology, and so on. Now, those are objective descriptive truths, discovered through empirical research. But what makes them true is just how human beings really are. The way is now clear to recognizing objective prescriptive truths -- truths about what one ought to do and believe. What makes those true -- what they correspond to -- are also features of human nature. We can get the normative facts right, or we can get them wrong. What these facts are facts about, in my somewhat Aristotelian view, are facts what human capacities need to be cultivated in order for human beings to flourish and live well. One way of appreciating why objective and relative are not contraries is by noticing the parallel with scientific theories. Of course our scientific theories are objective -- they are not the imposition of merely subjective whims -- but they are not absolute, precisely because they are subject to change. Some empirical theories are refuted; others are modified. So it is with ethical frameworks -- some ethical frameworks are refuted, others are modified. The difference lies in the truth-makers -- our scientific theories are true (or false) with respect to how well they describe how the world (including ourselves) really is; our ethical systems are true (or false) with respect to how well those norms permit or inhibit the cultivation of human capacities.Kantian Naturalist
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kairosfocus Here is the fake evidence I'm referring to, which is *still visible* on the Uncommon Descent mobile site today. This quote smears Sanders as a racist motivated by vile and ignorant bigotry, yet it is a complete forgery. Alleged links between Sanders, eugenics and racism do not justify publishing this "fake but accurate" quote, do they? The answer, of course, is no. That is my point. So why are we being treated to these "guilt by association" comments painting Sanders as a racist? It's not to justify the use of the "fake but accurate" quote, is it?CLAVDIVS
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KN: How can a plurality of subjective ethical viewpoints result in objective ethical norms? It may make no sense for ethical norms to be subjective, but does this necessarily make them objective? Even if a norm can be objective (e.g. objectively, an average of the various subjective viewpoints), this objectivity doesn't translate automatically to that which has been normalized does it? How does that work? You might as well just wave your hands and claim that objective ethics are "emergent."Phinehas
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Kantian Naturalist
As I’ve said on numerous occasions since joining this forum, I think that a crucial distinction must be made between objective and absolute. The thesis I’m defending is that evolutionary naturalism is consistent with the objectivity of ethical norms, not with the absoluteness of those norms. With this distinction in place, there’s no tension between affirming the objectivity of ethical norms, on the one hand, and their malleability and contingency, on the other. If you insist on calling my view “relativistic,” OK — I shan’t grumble over that — but objective and relative are not contraries.
I don’t think you understand the very distinctions that you are trying to make. The counterpoise to objective morality (outside the human) is subjective morality (inside the human), just as the counterpoise to absolute morality (no exceptions) is relative morality (depending on the situation or person). In each case, the first element is unchanging and the second element is always changing. Absolute morality emphasizes the changing and non-negotiable nature of the principle, which is the natural moral law. Objective morality, on the other hand, weighs that same unchanging principle against the changing circumstances in which it is applied. In neither case is the principle itself malleable or contingent. If objective morality was changeable, it could not be binding, which means that it would not be morality at all - merely custom. The truly sophisticated distinction to be made, then, is the difference between the unchanging principles of morality, which are absolute, objective (and universal) and the application of those principles, which vary with the situation and can be frustratingly difficult to analyze. Because you try to compromise (and thereby destroy) the principle by subjecting it to change, you miss the deeper analysis of its application. Indeed, you don’t even consider the application because you reject the principle that informs it. As a result, you overcomplicate something that is relatively simple—the natural moral law, and oversimplify something that is extremely complicated--the task of applying it. Most people make appropriate distinctions in context in order to clarify and argue. You make inappropriate distinctions out of context in order to obfuscate and evade. As a result, you fail to make the truly important distinctions. Meanwhile, the point at issue remains unaddressed. Who or what, if not God, can provide the source for morality? Try to provide a rational defense for your answer.StephenB
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CS: First, the difference between views on core morality is less than many think, and second descriptions of moral opinions does not answer tot he IS-OUGHT gap. KFkairosfocus
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Claudius, why are you trying to imply that I am using "faked" evidence? Are you so desperate that you have to throw out false assertions in the teeth of open, easily accessible evident facts? Do you understand what is being suggested in a eugenics context when you are speaking of needing to have effective spokesmen to appeal to the ignorance and superstition of a target ethnic group for eugenics methods? To try to suppress the likely -- anticipated! -- reaction that you are trying to eliminate the target group from the human gene pool? Come on man, think. Think straight. And, remember, In speaking of racism as an inherent part of eugenics, I by no means am confining myself to the particular form of racism that is an obsession today. Racismn against Italians, Irish, Poles or the like is just as much racism as any other. Indeed, it could easily be more deadly, as happened with the Poles from 1939 on. The basic fact is that MS was involved in the Eugenics movement, which is inherently racist. Her major publication is full of and brimming over with eugenically and racially loaded remarks on that, with all sorts of implications. Remarks I have cited examples of, taken direct from her regular publication, of an organisation of which she was president, indeed some came from one of her speeches. Now, the obvious thing is to simply acknowledge and face that, it was the temper of the times; only corrected at horrific cost after the 2nd World War. Churchill was caught up in the same, for crying out loud, indeed he seems to have supported the feebleminded bill that Chesterton castigated. Let me clip for you, Wikipedia on Sanger and race:
Sanger believed that lighter-skinned races were superior to darker-skinned races, but would not tolerate bigotry among her staff, nor any refusal to work within interracial projects.[94] Her contemporaries in the African-American community supported her efforts. In 1929, James H. Hubert, a black social worker and leader of New York's Urban League, asked Sanger to open a clinic in Harlem.[95] Sanger secured funding from the Julius Rosenwald Fund and opened the clinic, staffed with African-American doctors, in 1930. The clinic was directed by a 15-member advisory board consisting of African-American doctors, nurses, clergy, journalists, and social workers. The clinic was publicized in the African-American press and African-American churches, and received the approval of W. E. B. Du Bois, founder of the NAACP.[96] Sanger's work with minorities earned praise from Martin Luther King, Jr., in his 1966 acceptance speech for the Margaret Sanger award.[97] From 1939 to 1942 Sanger was an honorary delegate of the Birth Control Federation of America, which included a supervisory role — alongside Mary Lasker and Clarence Gamble — in the Negro Project, an effort to deliver birth control to poor African Americans.[98] Sanger wanted the Negro Project to include black ministers in leadership roles, but other supervisors did not. To emphasize the benefits of involving black community leaders, she wrote to Gamble "we do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." This quote has been mistakenly used by Angela Davis, to support her claims that Sanger wanted to exterminate black people.[99] However, New York University's Margaret Sanger Papers Project, clarifies that Sanger, in writing that letter, "recognized that elements within the black community might mistakenly associate the Negro Project with racist sterilization campaigns in the Jim Crow South, unless clergy and other community leaders spread the word that the Project had a humanitarian aim."[100] [--> Notice, she believed blacks inferior, and feared that some would see the project in light of the known general aim of eugenics, elimination or at minimum segregation of inferior gene pools. The basic point being, that humanitarianism tainted by racism and eugenics, is tainted, period. No, I do not infer that Sanger wanted blacks eliminated in any immediate time period, but we should reckon with the long term intent of eugenics for populations deemed inferior. The issue being, who is the deemer.]
Notice, this is the exact cite I have used, and how Wikipedia begins by baldly acknowledging the point. Your accusation is false, and willfully sustained in the teeth of adequate contrary evidence. That tells us a lot, and none of it good. Cho man, pull up your socks. KFkairosfocus
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William: whether my view is "madness" depends on whether I'm entitled to make a distinction between "objective" and "absolute" such that "objective" neither entails, nor is entailed by, "absolute". Clearly, if "objectivity" means "absoluteness", or entails it (or is entailed by it), then it would be absurd to hold, as I do, that "objective" and "relative" are not contraries -- since "relative" and "absolute" clearly are contraries. CentralScrutinizer: it's true that our ethical (and epistemic) norms are malleable, but not subjective -- I say that because, on the best sense I can affix to the notions of "subjective" and of "norms," a "subjective norm" is deeply incoherent -- along the lines of a square circle, though not as obviously incoherent. There are a lot of subtle distinctions at play here that need to be made in order to attain a sufficient degree of understanding.Kantian Naturalist
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With this distinction in place, there’s no tension between affirming the objectivity of ethical norms, on the one hand, and their malleability and contingency, on the other.
It's an objective fact that people have subjective, malleable norms.CentralScrutinizer
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kairosfocus That it was "the common theme of the time [1939] that Blacks were a particularly inferior race" does not make it okay to use faked evidence of the most offensive kind to smear someone as a racist, does it?CLAVDIVS
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With this distinction in place, there’s no tension between affirming the objectivity of ethical norms, on the one hand, and their malleability and contingency, on the other. If you insist on calling my view “relativistic,” OK — I shan’t grumble over that — but objective and relative are not contraries.
I'd just as soon UD not allow this kind of madness to continue here.William J Murray
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A few responses to StephenB's 131: (1) as I've said on numerous occasions since joining this forum, I think that a crucial distinction must be made between objective and absolute. The thesis I'm defending is that evolutionary naturalism is consistent with the objectivity of ethical norms, not with the absoluteness of those norms. With this distinction in place, there's no tension between affirming the objectivity of ethical norms, on the one hand, and their malleability and contingency, on the other. If you insist on calling my view "relativistic," OK -- I shan't grumble over that -- but objective and relative are not contraries. (2) On consistency: I'm pushing for the weak claim that evolutionary naturalism does not undermine objective ethics, not for the stronger claim that ethics can be derived from, analyzed into, or explained in terms of, evolutionary naturalism. On the contrary: I think that normative or prescriptive claims cannot be reduced to empirical descriptions and explanations. But what one can do is explain the process whereby we became the sorts of beings who make normative claims. (3) One interesting result of taking evolution seriously is that the very notion of "the origin" is called into question. Everything that is part of life, history, and becoming does not have any single origin or source, but many, and those influences interact in many different ways, at different spatial and temporal scales. So on evolutionary-naturalistic terms, some dimensions of ethical life have evolutionary antecedents in primate sociality, and some have older antecedents, and some are, of course, uniquely human. There's a very deep convergence between what evolution reveals about biological phenomena and the kind of thinking about social phenomena that Nietzsche and Foucault called "genealogy". (4) To a considerable degree, I regard discursive norms -- both ethical norms and epistemic norms -- as modulations and refinements of biological norms. And one reason why I am so critical of the Epicurean, causal-mechanical conception of nature is because that conception of nature is a conception of nature as normless. On that conception, the emergence of norms and values is utterly inexplicable. So I reject that conception, and instead have something much like "natural teleology". (I didn't like Nagel's book because I thought it was a bad book, not because I disagreed with his position.)Kantian Naturalist
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F/N: It seems that someone above needs reminding that eugenics and social darwinism are INHERENTLY racist. They also need to realise that when in 56 I clipped on rejection of Italians as undesirable, this has to do with racism between European tribes -- "race" being used to distinguish Saxon [English], Celt [Irish} and Scot, or Germans and Poles or other slavs, etc etc. Italians faced a double prejudice, also being targetted for Catholicism as well. The remarks in the 1939 letter that speak of needing to make religious appeals to Negros, and alluding to ignorance and superstition need to be understood in the light of the common theme of the time that Blacks were a particularly inferior race. Remember, it is only post WW II that serious progress was made against racism, after the impact of the holocaust began to hit home. And even then, a lot of Eugenics simply went underground, it was not rooted out and exposed then destroyed as had been Nazism. The problem is the Eugenics and the linked Darwinist ideas, multiplied by the swelling tide of evolutionary materialism that undermined morality and the doctrine that would otherwise have been able to stand up to them: that all of us are created equally in God's image and are endowed by our common Lord with unalienable rights, indeed, we are of one blood, one common family. So, the sins of racially tinged oppression and injustice must be repented of and the laws and institutions that give social force to such, should be reformed. But, that is hard. Very hard. KFkairosfocus
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Kantian Naturalist, You appear not to grasp the problem on the table. Morality cannot simply be grounded in claims of objectivity. It is the source of that objectivity that must be explained. Only God can be the source. This point will become clear to you if you make an honest attempt to probe the subject matter. Others have suggested possible sources such as evolution, reason, conscience, nature, pragmatism, sentiment, and culture. Indeed, you have tried your hand at defending first evolution, then pragmatism, and then culture as possible sources, alternating between them, subjectivizing them, or even throwing them all into the same mix. You will recall your earlier attempt to ground morality in cultural norms, a claim that is easily refuted, as our interactions have made clear. Nothing in Flanagan's piece (or any other writer that you have cited) resolves your difficulty. The task here is very simple: Identify the source for morality and then make your case.StephenB
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F/N 2: a lecture worth pondering: ___________ >> Eugenics and Other Evils By Dale Ahlquist Eugenics is a nice-sounding word, combining as it does the Greek words for “good” and “birth.” And Francis Galton, who made up the word and the idea, proposed Eugenics “for the betterment of mankind.” But that’s as far as the nice-sounding stuff goes. The actual definition is rather horrible: the controlled and selective breeding of the human race. Galton based his ideas on the theories of his cousin: Charles Darwin. By the beginning of the 20th century, when Darwin’s theory was safely embraced by the scientific establishment, Eugenics was getting good press. The New York Times gave it constant and positive coverage. Luther Burbank and other scientists promoted Eugenics. George Bernard Shaw said that nothing but a Eugenic religion could save civilization. Only one writer wrote a book against Eugenics. G.K. Chesterton. Eugenics and Other Evils may be his most prophetic book. Eugenics led directly to the birth control movement. All the same players were involved, such as Margaret Sanger, who was a member of the American Eugenics Society and was the editor of the Birth Control Review. The primary philosophy was trumpeted on the cover of the Birth Control Review: “More Children for the Fit. Less for the Unfit.” She made it clear whom she considered unfit:. “Hebrews, Slavs, Catholics, and Negroes.” [--> it is there, I do not vouch for its accuracy as a cite . . . ] She set up her Birth Control clinics only in their neighborhoods. She openly advocated the idea that such people should apply for official permission to have babies “as immigrants have to apply for visas.” Why don’t we hear of this connection between Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, and Eugenics? Two words: Adolf Hitler. He officially instituted Eugenics, leading an entire country in carrying out its principles, not only to breed what he believed to be a superior race but to eliminate everyone whom he considered to be inferior. Where did Hitler find early support for his Eugenic ideas? From Margaret Sanger and her circle. Eugenic Scientists from Nazi Germany wrote articles for Sanger’s Birth Control Review, and members of Sanger’s American Birth Control League visited Nazi Germany, sat in on sessions of the Supreme Eugenics Court, and returned with glowing reports of how the Sterilization Law was “weeding out the worst strains in the Germanic stock in a scientific and truly humanitarian way.” After World War II, when the world learned of the horrors of the Holocaust and the death camps, the term Eugenics was utterly discredited. Margaret Sanger was quick to distance herself from Eugenics and began to emphasize Birth Control as supposedly a feminist issue. We don’t hear about Eugenics at all any more. But unfortunately, the philosophy behind Eugenics is with us still. Generally speaking, all of the original arguments in favor of Eugenics have become the same arguments in favor of birth control, abortion, euthanasia, and even cloning. Chesterton understood this. But he understood it in 1910 (which is when he started writing this book, which was not published till 1922). As with so many other things, Chesterton saw exactly what we see. Only he saw it long before it happened. Eugenics, like abortion, bases all its benefits on denying an entire class of humans their humanity. With eugenics it was the “unfit,” which usually meant the poor, the weak, or simply the ethnic-types who were just having too many children. With abortion, there is a perceived benefit to someone by eliminating the weakest and most defenseless of humans: the unborn. As Chesterton says with chilling accuracy: “They seek his life in order to take it away.” Eugenics and abortion is about the tyranny of the elite deciding who shall live and who shall die. And if it’s about the elite, it’s about money. It was the Rockefellers and the Carnegies and other capitalist lords who funded eugenics research in the early 20th century. They went on to be major supporters of Planned Parenthood. Chesterton says that wealth, and the social science supported by wealth tries inhuman experiments, and when they fail, they try even more inhuman experiments. They are inhuman because they are godless. But they are godless because they don’t want to face how inhuman they are. The wealthy industrialist became agnostic, says Chesterton, “not so much because he did not know where he was, as because he wanted to forget. Many of the rich took to scepticism exactly as the poor took to drink; because it was a way out.” Eugenics is also about the tyranny of science. Forget the tired old argument about religion persecuting science. Chesterton points out the obvious fact that in the modern world, it is the quite the other way around. The thing that really is trying to tyrannize through government is Science. The thing that really does use the secular arm is Science. And the creed that really is levying tithes and capturing schools, the creed that really is enforced by fine and imprisonment, the creed that really is proclaimed not in sermons but in statutes, and spread not by pilgrims but by policemen – that creed is the great but disputed system of thought which began with Evolution and has ended in Eugenics. Materialism is really our established Church; for the Government will really help it to persecute its heretics. Chesterton says the problem with official science is that it steadily becomes more official while it becomes less scientific. “The man in the street,” he says, “must be wholly at the mercy of an academic priesthood.” If people who care about traditional truths attempt to object to eugenics or birth control or cloning, they are barraged with what Chesterton calls “the same stuffy science, the same bullying bureaucracy, and the same terrorism by tenth-rate professors.” [Note: A recent edition of Eugenics and Other Evils from Inkling Books, reveals this "terrorism by tenth-rate professors." Editor Michael Perry has added articles and excerpts from Francis Galton, from the American Eugenics Association, from the Birth Control Review and other proponents of Eugenics. The early writers reveal their atrocious ideas, the later writers recognize Chesterton's book as an obstacle to their implementing their ideas.] >> ___________ I hope this will be enough to give some pause to those who are so hot to defend what they plainly do not understand. KFkairosfocus
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F/N: G K Chesterton on Eugenics and other evils, c. 1912 - 22. First, from the introduction by the author: ___________ >> Though most of the conclusions, especially towards the end, are conceived with reference to recent events, the actual bulk of preliminary notes about the science of Eugenics were written before the war. It was a time when this theme was the topic of the hour; when eugenic babies (not visibly very distinguishable from other babies) sprawled all over the illustrated papers; when the evolutionary fancy of Nietzsche was the new cry among the intellectuals; and when Mr. Bernard Shaw and others were considering the idea that to breed a man like a cart-horse was the true way to attain that higher civilisation, of intellectual magnanimity and sympathetic insight, which may be found in cart-horses. It may therefore appear that I took the opinion too controversially, and it seems to me that I sometimes took it too seriously. But the criticism of Eugenics soon expanded of itself into a more general criticism of a modern craze for scientific officialism and strict social organisation. And then the hour came when I felt, not without relief, that I might well fling all my notes into the fire. The fire was a very big one, and was burning up bigger things than such pedantic quackeries. [--> WW I] And, anyhow, the issue itself was being settled in a very different style. Scientific officialism and organisation in the State which had specialised in them, had gone to war with the older culture of Christendom. Either Prussianism would win and the protest would be hopeless, or Prussianism would lose and the protest would be needless. As the war advanced from poison gas to piracy against neutrals, it grew more and more plain that the scientifically organised State was not increasing in popularity. Whatever happened, no Englishmen would ever again go nosing round the stinks of that low laboratory. So I thought all I had written irrelevant, and put it out of my mind. I am greatly grieved to say that it is not irrelevant. It has gradually grown apparent, to my astounded gaze, that the ruling classes in England are still proceeding on the assumption that Prussia is a pattern for the whole world. [--> It didn't start with Herr Schicklegruber, former corporal on the Western Front; try out what the Prussians did to Belgium (as in "the rape of . . . ") and earlier in Namibia, and what King Leopold of Belgium et al did in Zaire, is not without relevance . . . ] If parts of my book are nearly nine years old, most of their principles and proceedings are a great deal older. They can offer us nothing but the same stuffy science, the same bullying bureaucracy and the same terrorism by tenth-rate professors that have led the German Empire to its recent conspicuous triumph. For that reason, three years after the war with Prussia, I collect and publish these papers. >> __________ Next, a few snippets: ___________ >> The wisest thing in the world is to cry out before you are hurt. It is no good to cry out after you are hurt; especially after you are mortally hurt. People talk about the impatience of the populace; but sound historians know that most tyrannies have been possible because men moved too late. It is often essential to resist a tyranny before it exists. It is no answer to say, with a distant optimism, that the scheme is only in the air. A blow from a hatchet can only be parried while it is in the air. There exists to-day a scheme of action, a school of thought, as collective and unmistakable as any of those by whose grouping alone we can make any outline of history. It is as firm a fact as the Oxford Movement, or the Puritans of the Long Parliament; or the Jansenists; or the Jesuits. It is a thing that can be pointed out; it is a thing that can be discussed; and it is a thing that can still be destroyed. It is called for convenience "Eugenics"; and that it ought to be destroyed I propose to prove in [4]the pages that follow. I know that it means very different things to different people; but that is only because evil always takes advantage of ambiguity. I know it is praised with high professions of idealism and benevolence; with silver-tongued rhetoric about purer motherhood and a happier posterity. But that is only because evil is always flattered, as the Furies were called "The Gracious Ones." I know that it numbers many disciples whose intentions are entirely innocent and humane; and who would be sincerely astonished at my describing it as I do. But that is only because evil always wins through the strength of its splendid dupes; and there has in all ages been a disastrous alliance between abnormal innocence and abnormal sin. Of these who are deceived I shall speak of course as we all do of such instruments; judging them by the good they think they are doing, and not by the evil which they really do. But Eugenics itself does exist for those who have sense enough to see that ideas exist; and Eugenics itself, in large quantities or small, coming quickly or coming slowly, urged from good motives or bad, applied to a thousand people or applied to three, Eugenics itself is a thing no more to be bargained about than poisoning . . . . Far into the unfathomable past of our race we find [10]the assumption that the founding of a family is the personal adventure of a free man. Before slavery sank slowly out of sight under the new climate of Christianity, it may or may not be true that slaves were in some sense bred like cattle, valued as a promising stock for labour. If it was so it was so in a much looser and vaguer sense than the breeding of the Eugenists; and such modern philosophers read into the old paganism a fantastic pride and cruelty which are wholly modern. It may be, however, that pagan slaves had some shadow of the blessings of the Eugenist's care. It is quite certain that the pagan freemen would have killed the first man that suggested it. I mean suggested it seriously; for Plato was only a Bernard Shaw who unfortunately made his jokes in Greek. [--> KN, sounds familiar?] Among free men, the law, more often the creed, most commonly of all the custom, have laid all sorts of restrictions on sex for this reason or that. But law and creed and custom have never concentrated heavily except upon fixing and keeping the family when once it had been made. The act of founding the family, I repeat, was an individual adventure outside the frontiers of the State. Our first forgotten ancestors left this tradition behind them; and our own latest fathers and mothers a few years ago would have thought us lunatics to be discussing it. The shortest general definition of Eugenics on its practical side is that it does, in a more or less degree, propose to control some families at least as if they were families of pagan slaves. I [11]shall discuss later the question of the people to whom this pressure may be applied; and the much more puzzling question of what people will apply it. But it is to be applied at the very least by somebody to somebody, and that on certain calculations about breeding which are affirmed to be demonstrable. So much for the subject itself. I say that this thing exists. I define it as closely as matters involving moral evidence can be defined; I call it Eugenics . . . . When Sir Oliver Lodge spoke of the methods "of the stud-farm" many Eugenists exclaimed against the crudity of the suggestion. Yet long before that one of the ablest champions in the other interest had written "What nonsense this education is! Who could educate a racehorse or a greyhound?" Which most certainly either means nothing, or the human stud-farm. [--> Cf my remarks on implications for education policy] Or again, when I spoke of people "being married forcibly by the police," another distinguished [14]Eugenist almost achieved high spirits in his hearty assurance that no such thing had ever come into their heads. Yet a few days after I saw a Eugenist pronouncement, to the effect that the State ought to extend its powers in this area. The State can only be that corporation which men permit to employ compulsion; and this area can only be the area of sexual selection. [--> Darwin's second main mechanism for evolution, latched upon by eugenicists up to and including he man who most sincerely and ruthlessly tried the experiment twenty years after GKC published . . . ] I mean somewhat more than an idle jest when I say that the policeman will generally be found in that area. But I willingly admit that the policeman who looks after weddings will be like the policeman who looks after wedding-presents. He will be in plain clothes . . . . people say of Eugenics, "After all, whenever we discourage a schoolboy from marrying a mad negress with a hump back, we are really Eugenists." [--> Notice the double shadow that lurks there . . . ] Again one can only answer, "Confine yourselves strictly to such schoolboys as are naturally attracted to hump-backed negresses; and you may exult in the title of Eugenist, all the more proudly because that distinction will be rare." But surely anyone's common-sense must tell him that if Eugenics dealt only with such extravagant cases, it would be called common-sense—and not Eugenics. The human race has excluded such absurdities for unknown ages; and has never yet called it Eugenics . . . . people will say "So far from aiming at slavery, the Eugenists are seeking true liberty; liberty from disease and degeneracy, etc." Or they will say "We can assure Mr. Chesterton [17]that the Eugenists have no intention of segregating the harmless; justice and mercy are the very motto of——" etc. To this kind of thing perhaps the shortest answer is this. Many of those who speak thus are agnostic or generally unsympathetic to official religion. Suppose one of them said "The Church of England is full of hypocrisy." What would he think of me if I answered, "I assure you that hypocrisy is condemned by every form of Christianity; and is particularly repudiated in the Prayer Book"? [--> a very familiar context and issue] Suppose he said that the Church of Rome had been guilty of great cruelties. What would he think of me if I answered, "The Church is expressly bound to meekness and charity; and therefore cannot be cruel"? This kind of people need not detain us long. Then there are others whom I may call the Precedenters; who flourish particularly in Parliament. They are best represented by the solemn official who said the other day that he could not understand the clamour against the Feeble-Minded Bill, as it only extended the principles of the old Lunacy Laws. To which again one can only answer "Quite so. It only extends the principles of the Lunacy Laws to persons without a trace of lunacy." [--> Notice the issue of the slippery slope and the hidden agenda] This lucid politician finds an old law, let us say, about keeping lepers in quarantine. He simply alters the word "lepers" to "long-nosed people," and says blandly that the principle is the same . . . . there is undoubtedly an enormous mass of sensible, rather thoughtless people, whose rooted sentiment it is that any deep change in our society must be in some way infinitely distant. They cannot believe that men in hats and coats like themselves can be preparing a revolution; all their Victorian philosophy has taught them that such transformations are always slow. Therefore, when I speak of Eugenic legislation, or the coming of the Eugenic State, they think of it as something like The Time Machine or Looking Backward: a thing that, good or bad, will have to fit itself to their great-great-great-grandchild, who may be very different and may like it; and who in any case is rather a distant relative. To all this I have, to begin with, a very short and simple answer. The Eugenic State has begun. The first of the Eugenic Laws has already been adopted by the Government of this country; and passed with the applause of both parties through the dominant House of Parliament. [--> That is, in the UK c. 1912 . . . ] This first Eugenic Law clears the ground and may be said to proclaim negative Eugenics; but it cannot be defended, and nobody has attempted to defend it, except on the Eugenic theory. I will call it the Feeble-Minded Bill both for brevity and [20]because the description is strictly accurate. It is, quite simply and literally, a Bill for incarcerating as madmen those whom no doctor will consent to call mad. It is enough if some doctor or other may happen to call them weak-minded. [--> Sounds familiar?] Since there is scarcely any human being to whom this term has not been conversationally applied by his own friends and relatives on some occasion or other (unless his friends and relatives have been lamentably lacking in spirit), it can be clearly seen that this law, like the early Christian Church (to which, however, it presents points of dissimilarity), is a net drawing in of all kinds. It must not be supposed that we have a stricter definition incorporated in the Bill. Indeed, the first definition of "feeble-minded" in the Bill was much looser and vaguer than the phrase "feeble-minded" itself. It is a piece of yawning idiocy about "persons who though capable of earning their living under favourable circumstances" (as if anyone could earn his living if circumstances were directly unfavourable to his doing so), are nevertheless "incapable of managing their affairs with proper prudence"; which is exactly what all the world and his wife are saying about their neighbours all over this planet. But as an incapacity for any kind of thought is now regarded as statesmanship, there is nothing so very novel about such slovenly drafting. What is novel and what is vital is this: that the defence of this crazy Coercion Act is a Eugenic defence. It is not only openly said, it is eagerly urged, that the aim of the measure is to prevent any [21]person whom these propagandists do not happen to think intelligent from having any wife or children. [--> creeping tyranny] Every tramp who is sulky, every labourer who is shy, every rustic who is eccentric, can quite easily be brought under such conditions as were designed for homicidal maniacs. That is the situation; and that is the point. England has forgotten the Feudal State; it is in the last anarchy of the Industrial State; there is much in Mr. Belloc's theory that it is approaching the Servile State; it cannot at present get at the Distributive State; it has almost certainly missed the Socialist State. But we are already under the Eugenist State; and nothing remains to us but rebellion . . . [and much more] >> ___________ (And yes, I cite like this so that he can clip and run that readeth.) I hope that we will wake up and learn form a grim lesson of history before we pay the price of those who refuse to learn from history: being doomed to repeat its worst chapters. KFkairosfocus
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KN: Thank you for your responsible attitude, both on substance and on the rhetorical games being played with the blog by too many objectors. I think you will see that we disagree on substance, and I have outlined why I think the shame/honour approach fails; with particular reference to a pivotal historical case of the appeal to ultimate shame that failed. Failed by exposing the sordid and cynical abuse of power and disregard for the duties of care to do justice, by allegedly honourable and distinguished elites. Pilate's "What is truth" is such an epitaph for those elites and for those who would follow in their train. KFkairosfocus
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5for, WD400 & Claudius: Why do you -persist in mischaracterisations and snide insinuations? The above sounds much like, a refusal to take the matter on balance and hoping for a gotcha to score talking points. The matters at stake, past and present, regarding the Birth Control League, Planned Parenthood and the wider issues of eugenics, its legacy, evolutionary materialism and more, are far too serious for such irresponsible behaviour. I refer you to the original post as updated and the thread above as requiring due diligence to actually read before making further irresponsible statements. I will however note for the onlooker (it being obvious that those who are playing gotcha games will not show any more responsiveness to serious matters than was evident across yesterday, which speaks saddening volumes on what is going wrong). 1 --> It is clear that Mr Arrington made an honest mistake, trusting a secondary source, which did not accurately cite a source it referenced. The underlying problem of eugenics advocacy and linked concerns, was however all too much a problem with the founding of the Birth Control League, and it remains a problem with Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry. In addition, whatever is happening with the mobile version of UD -- I didn't even know such existed -- is obviously a technical issue to be fixed, not defamation. Over the top insinuations need to be corrected. 2 --> A fair reading of the above will see that, across yesterday, following up from overnight remarks by some observers -- thank you for pointing that out -- it was recognised that there was need to check for original sources. Where it was quite evident that PP, a secondary source, in its rebuttal was not responding appropriately to the underlying root concern but trying to brush it aside as if it were of no consequence. That was done, in stages across the day. As that was done, it was clearly indicated with increasing certainty, that there was something wrong with the cite, and that it needed correction. 3 --> Let me cite from 31 above, where at 5:16 am blog time, it was indicated that something was likely wrong:
I think — as fair comment — that you have painted with a broad, tainted brush and have indulged in poisonous and ill founded stereotyping along the lines of Dawkins’ “ignorant, stupid, insane or wicked.” On evidence currently in hand, the specific words above may indeed be incorrectly attributed to Ms Sanger. That is an error if that is borne out. That said, it is plain that Sanger and her Birth Control League, along with a great many others, were caught up in the Eugenics scheme of thought, which had swept the elite culture by riding on a tide of Darwinist thought and wearing the lab coat of science. There is no doubt whatsoever as to the meaning and implications of the logo of the Eugenics congress, as linked already. History, grim history, answers to that.
4 --> Obviously, I could not speak as the author of the post, but indicated that there was a problem that was by implication under investigation and was subject to correction on confirmation of a suspected problem, or if there was not a problem -- plainly the less likely outcome even then -- the original source would need to be cited. However, the underlying issue of the role of eugenics etc. riding on the coat-tails of the rise of Darwinism and associated evolutionary materialism and its effects on ethics and more, was and remains the real issue. Which I plainly indicated and which it is clear that to this day, there is an utter unwillingness to face on the part of too many. 6 --> As for Mr DuBois et al, cited as though that would suffice to overturn the point on the problem of eugenics and other origins science in society issues [cf. here on], has it dawned on you that we are discussing here what, up to about 1945, was the DOMINANT view among educated elites across the world (I can see clear signs of it in Churchill's writings, for just one instance -- a man I deeply admire as a pivotal and positive figure in C20 history, warts and all . . . ), and which had lingering direct effects right up to the 1970's - 90's? (I here particularly but not exclusively speak of the effects on directly observed or experienced education policy in my region, which, tell the truth, have not wholly dissipated. To this day, we suffer the consequences of Sir Cyril Burt's poor research -- actually, outright cooking of results with evidently faked statistics and named collaborators who may not have existed may be a more blunt description . . . -- which underlay the 11+ post primary exams that decided one's fate on what was in effect intended as an IQ test that would decide one's educational future. The presumption on Burt's claimed findings, was that IQ is a product of genes and the few best needed to be creamed off and given the best resources, consigning the remainder to in effect, whatever they could manage with their hands and genetically determined limited wits. That was embedded in the HMG 1944 education policy paper -- was it a green paper, I forget now, and that was duly exported to the colonies as received scientific wisdom. In the 1990's, most teachers and parents in the Caribbean were utterly unaware of the underlying problems, but had been subjected to decades of the institutionalisation of class and race prejudice; yes, right here in a region that is predominantly African and South Asian in descent. It's hard to buck a system backed up by Big-S "Science" as ever so many mainipulators and deceivers know to this day. The taken-in and the fellow traveller "useful gullible" usually have not got a clue as to what sort of wicked schemes and false enlightenment they are serving and wonder why those silly radicals are making so much noise, after all it is all the settled consensus that only the ignorant, stupid, insane or wicked challenge, isn't it. No wonder Marcus Mosiah Garvey said the immortal words: "Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds," and yes Bob Marley was QUOTING Garvey in the well-known song. Sadly, to this day, some of that mentality still obtains, never mind that with computer technology we now have in hand the vital resources that could allow us to carry forward on Bloom's two sigma findings, that with appropriate learning approaches over 90% of children can master key skills in appropriately designed and carried out individualised units of study. Cf. my discussions in my personal blog here on. The effect of this -- in a sketchy nutshell, is that those with the resources to get intensive tutoring on a paid private basis were able to game the system, so that it perpetuated socio-economic class divisions. Schooling is broken and needs to be fixed, seriously fixed. And one first step is to realise that "bright/dunce" is OFTEN not genetically stamped and unalterable. Yes, there are those with severe challenges, but they are a limited number, and the rise of powerful multimedia IT at affordable rates increasingly allows help for even those. And yes, I know there is also a need for counselling and support, etc. I am giving only a rough sketch here.) 5 --> Across the day, as source checking proceeded, it was evident that the cite was inaccurate. That is why at some point the thread owner and blog owner withdrew it and apologised openly:
Update: When I saw the quote originally posted here, I researched it and found an attribution to a source. (The Birth Control Review of 1933-34). It turns out that attribution was mistaken. For posting an inaccurate quotation I apologize. That said, the general views expressed in the quotation were in fact held by Margaret Sanger. I replace the original post with this from Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism”
6 --> That should be quite clear enough, save to those who have an axe to grind and hope to use it to chop away at UD and to attack and denigrate or demonise people rather than deal with serious issues soberly. 7 --> I should add, that there were at least two attributions that had to be searched, one in the window given and one in an earlier window. 8 --> Also, I note that none of the objectors above has acknowledged the force of the following citations and comments from BCR, October 1926, which first appeared at 56 above. there was a silly evasion about how the things were cited [AF, FYI, they were cited that way -- and ,a href = "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English_usage_of_quotation_marks#Overview">is it not the case that in French cite marks often use something like >> CITE>> (I have adjusted for the effect of using the less than sign in a blog that references HTML technology . . . ] -- in part to make it easy to do what I am now doing, citing as a block]:
I here cite from the BCR, October 1926, when we have been assured Ms Sanger had editorial control of what was her advocacy publication bearing a title usually used with Journals: 1] P. 2: Margaret Sanger, >>President>> 2] P. 3, “Some reasons for Birth Control” >> BIOLOGICAL (I The unfit are increasing rapidly and their care and the protection of the public from them are costing the states one-third of their income The outlook for civilization is bad if it continues to breed from its worst stock>> –> Given the general context, that is pregnant with sobering meaning. –> And even the word “stock” and the term “breed” have a significant colouring here; the context is, that we are like animals, and there is a subtle degradation of the significance of ethical issues connected to our status as human beings. –> In short,there is a subtle influence of evolutionary materialism dressed in the lab coat here, and it reduces people to little more than cattle to be controlled and manipulated for their own good by there evolutionary betters, who proved it by rising to the top. 3] P 5, Italian labour is cited as a source of excess, undesirable population from France to London to Australia. 4] P. 7, an address by Ms Sanger, “The Function of Sterilization” >>The question of race betterment is one of immediate concern, and I am glad to say that the United States Government has already taken certain steps to control the quality of our population through the drastic immigration laws. There is a quota law by which only so many people from each country are allowed to enter our shores each month. It is the latest method adopted by our government to solve the population problem. Most people are convinced that this policy is right, and agree that we should slow down on the number as well as the kind of immigrants coming here. But . . . we make no attempt to discourage or to cut down the rapid multiplication of the unfit and the undesirable at home . . . . The American public is taxed, heavily taxed, to maintain an increasing race of morons, which threatens the very foundation of our civilization.>> –> the Eugenics context is plain, as is the characteristic racist theme of the threat of the tide of the inferior who breed at rates well above their superiors. [This can be found for instance in Darwin's Descent of Man, Chs 5 - 7. I need not mention who else echoes it. It was the context of consensus at the time, and it was heavily tainted with racism, Darwin for example was concerned abo0ut Saxons, Irish and Scots.] –> Again, the evolutionary cream has risen to the top but fails to breed in proportion, so controls must be put in place to preserve the cream from the swamping out by the inferior but rapidly breeding immigrant and native masses. –> including, of course the iconic examples, the morons, imbeciles etc.
9 --> What about that 1939 letter cite? Cf 56 above and onward discussion. You will see -- on a fair reading in light of the above and many other things of that order -- that the underlying context of eugenics seeps out from the words, properly noted in context. remember, the prejudices of the day were being reinforced by claimed science. 10 --> Indeed, this overall matter is a capital case study on how origins science can go horrifically wrong, with devastating consequences, and how that wrong can become embedded in the mindset of an age as well as how hard it is to correct it. And, long after it has been corrected on the merits, it will linger in pockets, as a rhetorically convenient tool, or even as outdated thinking. (That old saying about how many people never really rethink what they have acquired as mental furniture by their mid 20's, is sadly all too apt.) _____________ I hope this should be enough for the fair-minded to see for themselves what has been happening across the past couple of days, and that it will help us all to look seriously and critically at the historical, socio-cultural, scientific, policy and general legacy of the rise of darwinism and evolutionary materialism, and the lessons to be learned from things like eugenics and the otehr things that went with it. One final note, I can notice that across the day, none of the objectors in thread ever gave evidence of seriously engaging with the issue of how eugenics was seen as a culmination of many fields of science, how it led to policy: "eugenics is the self-direction of human evolution" and how that led to terrible consequences, as a sobering object lesson of what can happen when science goes wrong but is seized upon as a policy driver. Indeed, one of the serious points implied here, is that the appeal to science and to scientific consensus is a species of appeal to authority. No authority is better than its facts, evidence, reasoning, arguments and assumptions. So, instead of playing the science consensus card and using that as a substitute for actually thinking responsibly on the merits, we need to be a lot more disce4rning in what we accept or reject and why. I think that lesson is a lot closer to home here and now than many would want to admit. KFkairosfocus
April 17, 2013
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kairosfocus @ 111
Claudius: slander, corrected before you chose to indulge. Think about that, and about what you just revealed about yourself. KF
I note the false and defamatory forgery still appears on the mobile version of the Uncommon Descent website; that would make it libel, not slander. I also notice you neglected to answer the question: Is it okay to publish a “fake but accurate” forgery, if one believes it furthers a good cause? The replacement extract from Goldberg’s "Liberal Fascism” utterly fails to justify the claim of the original forgery that Sanger was racist. The only significant quote linking Sanger to racism is blatantly false -- the quote about "The mass of significant Negroes still breed carelessly ..." was *not* a report of the Negro Project, but an article in The Birth Control Review June 1932 by Dr. W. E. Burghardt DuBois, a *black man*, sociologist and founder of the NAACP.CLAVDIVS
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wd400 --
But are none of the authors of thus blog appalled (or at least embarrassed) but this post and subsequent actions?
Barry Arrington is the blog owner. Check out the bottom of the screen: he's the president of Uncommon Descent, Inc. Dembski hasn't posted here in months, and not on a regular basis in (maybe) years.Kantian Naturalist
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I hardly think that your claim that I did not seriously engage with your arguments last time is a fair characterisation. We disagreed, that is quite different from I did not treat what you said seriously.
OK, I accept that and I apologize for the mischaracterization. I do recall we got to a point where we disagreed quite sharply about how to cash out, non-metaphorically, the "sea" on which Neurath's "raft" is floating, and the conversation reached an impasse at that point. As for Flanagan: yes, his starting-point is Greek ethics, not Christian or Kantian ethics, and here he alludes to Williams' excellent Shame and Necessity -- which in turn builds on earlier work by Nietzsche and also by E. R. Dodds, The Greeks and the Irrational. Dodds nicely contrasts "honor/shame" systems with "guilt/innocence" systems, and Williams, like Dodds, is interested in the honor/shame system. And Flanagan, like Williams, would also stress, I believe, that Plato and Aristotle had a honor/shame ethics. (Plato's critique of the Sophists is that they abandoned honor and shame, and that they tended to produce youth who found honor and shame in the wrong things. He does not criticize the honor/shame ethical framework as such -- his account of the virtues presupposes it.) So, you're right that Flanagan is beginning at a very different starting-point -- basically, Flanagan (like Williams, and many others) is taking the view that Aristotelian ethics can (i) offer all the objectivity we really need and (ii) be separated from Aristotelian metaphysics. (MacIntyre takes a similar approach in After Virtue and Dependent Rational Animals, though I don't share his anti-modernism or his neo-Thomism.)Kantian Naturalist
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I'm sorry to hard on about this. But are none of the authors of thus blog appalled (or at least embarrassed) but this post and subsequent actions? The extreme confirmation bias required to put it up without doing any reasonable fact checking? The bizarre attempt to pain the original as "fake but accurate"?wd400
April 16, 2013
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I'm just wondering how the "rules of right reason" apply to a post that seemed to be making an argument about the merits of an organisation today based on the personal beliefs of an individual who founded it a long time ago and who is now dead. Surely whatever Margaret Sanger's opinions really were, they have no relevance to a discussion about the organisation at it exists today? That's the same as saying we should view the Catholic Church based on ..... (pick any of a number of morally repugnant views expressed by a pope over the last 2,000 years).5for
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PPS: I hardly think that your claim that I did not seriously engage with your arguments last time is a fair characterisation. We disagreed, that is quite different from I did not treat what you said seriously.kairosfocus
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PS: If one ties morality to shame/honour, one implies radical cultural relativism and invites the domination of the benumbed and ruthless per Plato's warning as I have often cited. I do not know if you agree with this, but it is where Flanagan begins. This for instance then invites manipulation and moral inversion, darkness for light, calling evil good games that are self-refuting and utterly destructive. Never forget that the cross outside a city wall, arrived at by dirty power games and a morally corrupt cynical governor who assumed he knew the answer to "what is truth" (but didn't) is the ultimate rebuttal: the shame that reflected injustice and guilt on the part of those involved in injustice through abuse of power and influence. That was Friday, but Sunday was a-coming, with the ultimate reversal of fortunes. And so, with due respect, Flanagan is failing at the starting gate. But then, our intellectual culture has by and large forgotten the lesson of the cross and the empty tomb backed up by the descent of the Spirit on the weak, who confound the strong with the foolishness and weakness of God that is wiser and mightier than men. For, our ways and our thoughts are not his, as high as the heavens are above the earth, so are his ways and thoughts higher than ours.kairosfocus
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KN: In short, impasse. I think that it is going to boil down to, your view will imply subjectivism or some species of relativism, or else it will point to the need for an objective ground. Unless one has a root IS that inherently entails OUGHT and not just I got the power to compel, then that will result. I would say that the implications of the chain from A to why A, B; thence why B, C etc lead straight to foundations, For infinite regress cannot be traversed from infinite depth to where we are by us, and going in circles begs questions. Something that is a cluster of first plausibles sustained on comparative difficulties is what we need to fill the bill. And one of the requisites is IS that grounds OUGHT. Multiply by necessary being, root of being and ordering mind behind an intelligible, mathematically embedded cosmos, and more. Them mix in our own reason, and ask for its grounds. And, the conclusion that we are creatures of the true Living God, creator of a cosmos organised for life, and with us as creatures, makes a lot of sense and takes a lot of beating. As a Christian, I also bring to bear the Logos who dwelt among us and who in fulfillment of prophecies made centuries before, is our Lord and crucified, risen Saviour, cf, here on for a 101. That, is where I stand, and in a nutshell why. KFkairosfocus
April 16, 2013
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Kairosfocus, if you take the time to read Flanagan's article (linked to here or de Waal's writings on bonobos, or "What Rationality Adds to Biological Morality" (Waller, 1997, Biology and Philosophy), or really anything at all written by any one of hundreds of philosophers and scientists, then we can begin having a serious discussion. I'm not going to educate you, or anyone else here. I have my own students already. And I'm not going to repeat anything I've already said about why I think "Hume's Guillotine" is not a serious problem and why I think that worldviews do not need foundations. If you didn't seriously engage with what I'd said on previous occasions, why would I bother trying again?Kantian Naturalist
April 16, 2013
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KN: Kindly explain to us in outline how objective first principles of right reason and first principles of morality that are binding on all, objectively grounded, are established on a naturalistic frame. In short, justify to us the naturalistic IS that objectively grounds OUGHT; bearing in mind our previous exchanges on why a worldview inevitably has a foundation, whether or not it acknowledges it. E.g. rafts under continual reconstruction sit in seas that provide support. KFkairosfocus
April 16, 2013
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And have you read Flanagan's article? Or de Waal's Primates and Philosophers: How Morality Evolved? Or is just listening to one side of the debate all you need in order to know that you're right and that anyone who disagrees with you must be wrong?Kantian Naturalist
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KN:
understand the compatibility of evolutionary naturalism and objective morality
Since I can point to history to make my case, I think I understand it much more clearly than you imagine you understand it: The Moral Impact Of Darwinism On Society - Dr. Phil Fernandes - video http://www.nwcreation.net/videos/Impact_Of_Darwinism_On_Society.htmlbornagain77
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