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Painful. Closing our religion coverage for the week (a bit late, as it is the Labour Day weekend) from Rabbi Moshe Averick, in his Nonsense of a High Order: The Confused World of Modern Atheism:

Atheists are prepared to deny our very grasp on reality

Atheists are prepared to burrow very deep down the materialist rabbit hole in order to avoid any possible confrontation with the spiritual. How deep? Deep enough to cast doubt on our very connection with reality. The skeptic claims that a scientific investigation of the brain leads us to the conclusion that there resides within us a separate “executive self” is an illusion. Leaving totally aside the issue of whether or not that assessment of the data is accurate, there is a much more fundamental question that must be addressed: By what unique entitlement, privilege, or faculty does the skeptic confidently disavow as illusory the all-pervasive notion of a separate “self,” yet simultaneously justify hi absolute trust in his own perceptions and analysis regarding the “scientific” examination of the brain that led him to reach that conclusion in the first place? (p. 189) Good question. Unfortunately, the best answer I ever heard was from mid-twentieth-century Christian apologist, C.S. Lewis, in Abolition of Man:

But what never claimed objectivity cannot be destroyed by subjectivism. The impulse to scratch when I itch or to pull to pieces when I am inquisitive is immune from the solvent which is fatal to my justice, or honour, or care for posterity. When all that says “It is good” has been debunked, what says “I want” remains. It cannot be exploded or “seen through” because it never had any pretentions. The Conditioners*, therefore, must come to be motivated simply by their own pleasure.

I am not here speaking of the corrupting influence of power nor expressing the fear that under it our Conditioners will degenerate. The very words corrupt and degenerate imply a doctrine of value and are therefore meaningless in this context. My point is that those who stand outside all judgements of value cannot have any ground for preferring one of their own impulses to another except the emotional strength of that impulse.

* Today, we would call them progressives. They have been learning this for decades at U’s and putting it into practice. It helps us understand, for example, the war on falsifiability in science, in favor of the unfalsifiable multiverse, and the endless attacks on the concept of free will. See also: Easy to be an atheist if you ignore science and Yet another “myth of free will” claim: These claims come in many varieties but their outcome, if not their purpose, is transparent: No one, including the naturalist atheist, is responsible for what he does. Consider what that means for issues like intellectual freedom and responsible government. Follow UD News at Twitter!

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Then there is the whole Near Death Experience line of evidence:
Near death, explained (?) – By Dr. Mario Beauregard research professor Neuroscience Research Center at the University of Montreal. – April 2012 Excerpt: These findings strongly challenge the mainstream neuroscientific view that mind and consciousness result solely from brain activity. As we have seen, such a view fails to account for how NDErs can experience—while their hearts are stopped—vivid and complex thoughts and acquire veridical information about objects or events remote from their bodies. NDE studies also suggest that after physical death, mind and consciousness may continue in a transcendent level of reality that normally is not accessible to our senses and awareness. Needless to say, this view is utterly incompatible with the belief of many materialists that the material world is the only reality. http://www.salon.com/2012/04/21/near_death_explained/singleton/
In the following study, researchers who had a bias against Near Death Experiences (NDEs) being real, set out to prove that they were merely hallucinations by setting up a clever questionnaire that could differentiate which memories a person had were real and which memories a person had were merely imaginary. They did not expect the results they got:
‘Afterlife’ feels ‘even more real than real,’ researcher says – Wed April 10, 2013 Excerpt: “If you use this questionnaire … if the memory is real, it’s richer, and if the memory is recent, it’s richer,” he said. The coma scientists weren’t expecting what the tests revealed. “To our surprise, NDEs were much richer than any imagined event or any real event of these coma survivors,” Laureys reported. The memories of these experiences beat all other memories, hands down, for their vivid sense of reality. “The difference was so vast,” he said with a sense of astonishment. Even if the patient had the experience a long time ago, its memory was as rich “as though it was yesterday,” Laureys said. http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/09/health/belgium-near-death-experiences/
Exactly how does something become ‘more real than real’ in an NDE unless this reality is just a mere shadow of the heavenly reality that awaits us after death?
Special and General Relativity compared to Heavenly and Hellish Near Death Experiences and The Resurrection of Jesus Christ as the quote unquote “Theory of Everything” – video playlist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbKELVHcvSI&index=1&list=PLtAP1KN7ahia8hmDlCYEKifQ8n65oNpQ5
Moreover, in the atheists insane denial that they really exist as real persons, and their insistence that they are merely neuronal illusions with no free will, atheists, in doing so, also, by direct implication, deny that we have any transcendent component to our being that lives past the death of our material, temporal, bodies. Yet, contrary to their belief, transcendent, and ‘conserved’, (cannot be created or destroyed), ‘non-local’, (beyond space-time matter-energy), quantum entanglement/information, which is not reducible to matter-energy space-time, is now found in our material bodies on a massive scale (in every DNA and protein molecule).
Scientific (physical) evidence that we do indeed have an eternal soul - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2P45Obl4lQ Molecular Biology – 19th Century Materialism meets 21st Century Quantum Mechanics – video https://www.facebook.com/philip.cunningham.73/videos/vb.100000088262100/1141908409155424/?type=2&theater
Thus, whereas the atheist has no evidence whatsoever that anything material can be conscious, the Theist is more than justified, scientifically, in his belief that his conscious mind is separate from matter, and also more than justified in his belief that he has a 'soul' that lives past the death of his material body. Quote and Verse:
“You don’t have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body.” George MacDonald - Annals of a Quiet Neighborhood - 1892 Luke 23:42-43 And he said, Jesus, remember me when thou comest in thy kingdom. And he said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in Paradise.
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Although materialists-atheists, without one shred of evidence that anything material can be conscious, deny the fact that they really exist as real persons, (which is the most sure thing they can know about reality), and insist that they are merely neuronal illusions. Besides that insane denial from atheists that they really exist as real persons, Theists, besides having the overwhelming subjective experience of being a real person every waking moment of their lives, also have compelling scientific evidence to support the fact that they really are 'persons' and are not just merely 'neuronal illusions': For example, in direct contradiction to the atheistic claim that our thoughts are merely the result of whatever state our material brain happens to be in, ‘Brain Plasticity’, the ability to alter the structure of the brain from a person’s focused intention, has now been established by Jeffrey Schwartz, as well as among other researchers.
The Case for the Soul – InspiringPhilosophy – (4:03 minute mark, Brain Plasticity including Schwartz’s work) – Oct. 2014 – video The Mind is able to modify the brain (brain plasticity). Moreover, Idealism explains all anomalous evidence of personality changes due to brain injury, whereas physicalism cannot explain mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBsI_ay8K70 The Case for the Soul: Quantum Biology – (7:25 minute mark – Brain Plasticity and Mindfulness control of DNA expression) https://youtu.be/6_xEraQWvgM?t=446
Moreover, as alluded to in the preceding video, and completely contrary to materialistic thought, mind has been now also been shown to be able to reach all the way down and have pronounced, ‘epigenetic’, effects on the gene expression of our bodies:
Scientists Finally Show How Your Thoughts Can Cause Specific Molecular Changes To Your Genes, – December 10, 2013 Excerpt: “To the best of our knowledge, this is the first paper that shows rapid alterations in gene expression within subjects associated with mindfulness meditation practice,” says study author Richard J. Davidson, founder of the Center for Investigating Healthy Minds and the William James and Vilas Professor of Psychology and Psychiatry at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. “Most interestingly, the changes were observed in genes that are the current targets of anti-inflammatory and analgesic drugs,” says Perla Kaliman, first author of the article and a researcher at the Institute of Biomedical Research of Barcelona, Spain (IIBB-CSIC-IDIBAPS), where the molecular analyses were conducted.,,, the researchers say, there was no difference in the tested genes between the two groups of people at the start of the study. The observed effects were seen only in the meditators following mindfulness practice. In addition, several other DNA-modifying genes showed no differences between groups, suggesting that the mindfulness practice specifically affected certain regulatory pathways. http://www.tunedbody.com/scientists-finally-show-thoughts-can-cause-specific-molecular-changes-genes/
Then there is also the well documented placebo effect in which a person's beliefs have pronounced effects on their body
placebo effect a beneficial effect, produced by a placebo drug or treatment, that cannot be attributed to the properties of the placebo itself, and must therefore be due to the patient’s belief in that treatment.
Moreover, If the mind of a person were merely the brain, as materialists hold, then if half of a brain were removed then a ‘person’ should only be ‘half the person’, or at least somewhat less of a ‘person’, as they were before. But that is not the case, the ‘whole person’ stays intact even though the brain suffers severe impairment:
Removing Half of Brain Improves Young Epileptics’ Lives: – 1997 Excerpt: “We are awed by the apparent retention of memory and by the retention of the child’s personality and sense of humor,” Dr. Eileen P. G. Vining,, Dr. John Freeman, the director of the Johns Hopkins Pediatric Epilepsy Center, said he was dumbfounded at the ability of children to regain speech after losing the half of the brain that is supposedly central to language processing. ”It’s fascinating,” Dr. Freeman said. ”The classic lore is that you can’t change language after the age of 2 or 3.” But Dr. Freeman’s group has now removed diseased left hemispheres in more than 20 patients, including three 13-year-olds whose ability to speak transferred to the right side of the brain in much the way that Alex’s did.,,, http://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/19/science/removing-half-of-brain-improves-young-epileptics-lives.html
In further comment from the neuro-surgeons in the John Hopkins study:
“Despite removal of one hemisphere, the intellect of all but one of the children seems either unchanged or improved. Intellect was only affected in the one child who had remained in a coma, vigil-like state, attributable to peri-operative complications.” Strange but True: When Half a Brain Is Better than a Whole One – May 2007 Excerpt: Most Hopkins hemispherectomy patients are five to 10 years old. Neurosurgeons have performed the operation on children as young as three months old. Astonishingly, memory and personality develop normally. ,,, Another study found that children that underwent hemispherectomies often improved academically once their seizures stopped. “One was champion bowler of her class, one was chess champion of his state, and others are in college doing very nicely,” Freeman says. Of course, the operation has its downside: “You can walk, run—some dance or skip—but you lose use of the hand opposite of the hemisphere that was removed. You have little function in that arm and vision on that side is lost,” Freeman says. Remarkably, few other impacts are seen. ,,, http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=strange-but-true-when-half-brain-better-than-whole How Removing Half of Someone’s Brain Can Improve Their Life – Oct. 2015 Excerpt: Next spring, del Peral (who has only half a brain) will graduate from Curry College, where she has made the dean’s list every semester since freshman year. http://www.mentalfloss.com/article/70120/how-removing-half-someones-brain-can-improve-their-life
Here is a a fairly moving example of 'personhood': Although the girl in the following videos was written off as hopelessly retarded by everyone who saw her, eventually a breakthrough was made that gave her the ability to communicate with the outside world. A breakthough that revealed there was/is indeed a gentle intelligence, a “me”, a “soul”, a “person”, within the girl that was and still is trapped within her body. And that that “me” was not able to express herself properly to others simply because of her neurological disorder not because she did not have a ‘mind’ that was not fully functioning.
Severely Handicapped Girl Suddenly Expresses Intelligence At Age 11 – very moving video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNZVV4Ciccg Carly’s Café – Experience Autism Through Carly’s Eyes – video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmDGvquzn2k
i.e. If she, as a 'person', was merely a neuronal illusion, i.e. if she, as a 'person', was merely the result of the chemistry of her brain as atheists hold, then the preceding breakthrough that finally reached 'her', and allowed her to communicate in spite her neurological disorder, should have been impossible.bornagain77
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"The first is tuned to respond directly to objective reality — the actual independent reality out there. The other creature has behavior only tuned to its, and the environment’s, fitness function." Secondly, how does evolution, driven by a fitness function, produce a creature NOT "tuned" to that fitness function? How could the first creature ever possibly exist, if evolution explains all creatures? Incoherence has been raised to the Nth power ...ScuzzaMan
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"The other creature has behavior only tuned to its, and the environment’s, fitness function. The second creature could care less about what’s really going on in reality." This is nuts. The "fitness function" has nothing to do with reality? But it has influenced the real biology of hundreds of thousands of real species, over hundreds of millions of real years? And real people pretend to believe this?ScuzzaMan
September 8, 2016
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AD:
our apprehension of existence, being an act of the intellect, is a mental state which has semantic content. But no physical process, not even logic gates, can have semantic content. A logic gate in itself involves only the movement of electric current through diodes, and of itself has no meaning. It is we who give meaning to a certain configuration of such semiconductors by using them as symbols of AND, NOT, OR, NAND and other mental operations. Ergo, the operations of our intellect can have no physical basis, though the intellect is dependent upon the brain for the supply of sense-data and memory without which it cannot perform the task of abstraction. Anyone who claims that intellection has a (completely) material basis is thus saying that he is placing his trust in physical processes which in themselves have no semantic content, and thus has got nothing to do with the laws of logic.
Well said. Computational substrates are GIGO-limited cause-effect machines (that will happily churn out rubbish if ill-organised or ill-programmed . . . ), even wetware ones. Not, ground-consequent, meaningful inference entities. That -- based on CS Lewis' argument from reason later elaborated by Victor Reppert, but also coming from practical experience with troubleshooting such substrates -- is what points to the issues highlighted by Eng Derek Smith in his two-tier controller model of bio-cybernetic systems. KFkairosfocus
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As to: " Even if there is no “executive self”, why can’t I (as a whole person) make judgments?" Nothing prevents you from making judgments, but if there is no immaterial intellect which is the core of oneself as a personal agent, then those judgments will have nothing to do with reality. Here is why: All judgments are propositions as to whether or not something is true, and therefore making a judgment is an exercise in reasoning. But reasoning depends on applying the laws of logic. And the laws of logic are known from our apprehension of existence i.e., the law of identity, for example, is derived from the immediate knowledge that "being is". But being or existence is a universal, not a particular, and therefore the apprehension of existence is known via abstraction from sense-experience. To put it in other words, our apprehension of existence, being an act of the intellect, is a mental state which has semantic content. But no physical process, not even logic gates, can have semantic content. A logic gate in itself involves only the movement of electric current through diodes, and of itself has no meaning. It is we who give meaning to a certain configuration of such semiconductors by using them as symbols of AND, NOT, OR, NAND and other mental operations. Ergo, the operations of our intellect can have no physical basis, though the intellect is dependent upon the brain for the supply of sense-data and memory without which it cannot perform the task of abstraction. Anyone who claims that intellection has a (completely) material basis is thus saying that he is placing his trust in physical processes which in themselves have no semantic content, and thus has got nothing to do with the laws of logic.Autodidaktos
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TWSYF: That seems to go over a reasonable limit. I suggest you moderate your tone. KFkairosfocus
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Atheism has nothing of value to offer the world, and Its most vocal adherents sound more like raving lunatics than rational beings seeking truth. Lawrence Krauss, in particular, is completely unhinged, and the rest of his ilk (Dawkins, Harris, etc.) are merely sad, pitiful caricatures at this point.Truth Will Set You Free
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The Case Against Reality - May 13, 2016 Excerpt: Hoffman seems to come to a conclusion similar to the one Alvin Plantinga argues in ch. 10 of Where the Conflict Really Lies: we should not expect — in the absence of further argument — that creatures formed by a naturalistic evolutionary process would have veridical perceptions.,,, First, even if Hoffman’s argument were restricted to visual perception, and not to our cognitive faculties more generally (e.g., memory, introspection, a priori rational insight, testimonial belief, inferential reasoning, etc.), the conclusion that our visual perceptions would be wholly unreliable given natural selection would be sufficient for Plantinga’s conclusion of self-defeat. After all, reliance upon the veridicality of our visual perceptions was and always will be crucial for any scientific argument for the truth of evolution. So if these perceptions cannot be trusted, we have little reason to think evolutionary theory is true. Second, it’s not clear that Hoffman’s application of evolutionary game theory is only specially applicable to visual perception, rather than being relevant for our cognitive faculties generally. If “we find that veridical perceptions can be driven to extinction by non-veridical strategies that are tuned to utility rather than objective reality” (2010, p. 504, my emphasis), then why wouldn’t veridical cognitive faculties (more generally) be driven to extinction by non-veridical strategies that are tuned to utility rather than objective reality? After all, evolutionary theory purports to be the true account of the formation of all of our cognitive faculties, not just our faculty of visual perception. If evolutionary game theory proves that “true perception generally goes extinct” when “animals that perceive the truth compete with others that sacrifice truth for speed and energy-efficiency” (2008), why wouldn’t there be a similar sacrifice with respect to other cognitive faculties? In fact, Hoffman regards the following theorem as now proven: “According to evolution by natural selection, an organism that sees reality as it is will never be more fit than an organism of equal complexity that sees none of reality but is just tuned to fitness” (Atlantic interview). But then wouldn’t it also be the case that an organism that cognizes reality as it is will never be more fit than an organism of equal complexity that cognizes none of reality but is just tuned to fitness? On the evolutionary story, every cognitive faculty we have was produced by a process that was tuned to fitness (rather than tuned to some other value, such as truth). http://www.gregwelty.com/2016/05/the-case-against-reality/
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as to "M. Averick on atheists’ grasp of reality" The following study finds that Atheists have no grasp of reality whatsoever :)
What If Evolution Bred Reality Out Of Us? - September 6, 2016 Excerpt: Fundamentally, Hoffman argues, evolution and reality (the objective kind) have almost nothing to do with each other.,,, "Given an arbitrary world and arbitrary fitness functions, an organism that sees reality as it is will never be more fit than an organism of equal complexity that sees none of reality but that is just tuned to fitness.",,, So imagine you have two kinds of creatures living in an environment. The first is tuned to respond directly to objective reality — the actual independent reality out there. The other creature has behavior only tuned to its, and the environment's, fitness function. The second creature could care less about what's really going on in reality. What Hoffman's theorem says is the fitness-tuned critter will — almost always — win the evolution game.,,, "We assume the 'predicates' of perceptions — space, time, physical objects, shapes — are the right ones to describe physical reality. And this theorem says that [such] predicates are [the wrong ones] almost surely." In other words, evolution could care less if you perceive objective reality.,,, http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2016/09/06/492779594/what-if-evolution-bred-reality-out-of-us
After years of debating internet trolls, I certainly agree that atheists have no grasp of reality! :)bornagain77
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BO'H: Do you not see the implied self referential incoherence? [Cf. here on, for a 101.] For one instance, if our conscious self is an illusion, especially when that is tied to views that reduce thinking to effectively mechanical computation on a wetware substrate driven by blind chance and/or mechanical necessity and further constrained by GIGO, this lets grand delusion loose on our mental lives, undermining responsible rational freedom. Indeed, you cannot appeal to yourself as a whole person, a unified self if the point you are defending is that that sense of self is an illusion. Which is exactly where the implication of grand delusion gets let loose. That is fatal. Fatally self-referentially incoherent. I suggest, a rethink is in order. KF PS: Start with J B S Haldane:
"It seems to me immensely unlikely that mind is a mere by-product of matter. For if my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain I have no reason to suppose that my beliefs are true. They may be sound chemically, but that does not make them sound logically. And hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms. In order to escape from this necessity of sawing away the branch on which I am sitting, so to speak, I am compelled to believe that mind is not wholly conditioned by matter.” ["When I am dead," in Possible Worlds: And Other Essays [1927], Chatto and Windus: London, 1932, reprint, p.209.]
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By what unique entitlement, privilege, or faculty does the skeptic confidently disavow as illusory the all-pervasive notion of a separate “self,” yet simultaneously justify hi[s] absolute trust in his own perceptions and analysis regarding the “scientific” examination of the brain that led him to reach that conclusion in the first place? (p. 189)
One obvious answer was that this conclusion was reached by a self that was not separate, but a part of their body. Of course, another response is to wonder where the problem is. Even if there is no "executive self", why can't I (as a whole person) make judgments?Bob O'H
September 6, 2016
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RVB8, Are you willing to deny the inadvertently revealing force of say this from Provine at the 1998 Darwin Day event at U Tenn?
>Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly. 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent . . . . The first 4 implications are so obvious to modern naturalistic evolutionists that I will spend little time defending them. Human free will, however, is another matter. Even evolutionists have trouble swallowing that implication. I will argue that humans are locally determined systems that make choices. They have, however, no free will [--> without responsible freedom, mind, reason and morality alike disintegrate into grand delusion, hence self-referential incoherence and self-refutation. But that does not make such fallacies any less effective in the hands of clever manipulators] . . . [1998 Darwin Day Keynote Address, U of Tenn -- and yes, that is significant i/l/o the Scopes Trial, 1925]
Given the necessity of responsible, rational freedom simply to be able to freely, logically think -- instead of being bound up in the GIGO-ruled consequences of computation on a wetware substrate (allegedly programmed by blind chance and/or mechanical necessity) -- we have to focus on this matter as pivotal. And, as revealing the irretrievable self-referential incoherence of evolutionary materialistic scientism and its consequences for logic and epistemology. That is, we see here reason to hold evolutionary materialistic scientism as utterly self-falsifying. (Cf here: http://iose-gen.blogspot.com/2010/06/origin-of-mind-man-morals-etc.html#slf_ref ) Regardless of the unwillingness -- there, we see the significance of freedom again -- of many to face the issue. So, whatever real or imaginary infelicities of style you may wish to point to, News is not exhibiting obscurantism. Just the opposite, News is highlighting a key foundational crack in the dominant ideology of our day. One, many have consistently failed to face squarely. KFkairosfocus
September 6, 2016
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You'll never be out of a job when bad writing, and obscurantism reign supreme.rvb8
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By what unique entitlement, privilege, or faculty does the skeptic confidently disavow as illusory the all-pervasive notion of a separate “self,” yet simultaneously justify his absolute trust in his own perceptions and analysis regarding the “scientific” examination of the brain that led him to reach that conclusion in the first place?
The attitude of today's atheists has been with us since the days of Plato and his Cave. Platonism essentially postulates that our grasp on reality is fundamentally flawed, rendering impossible certainty on anything of importance. But how, exactly, can the Platonist know that what we perceive is illusory? If he perceives the same thing, he has no evidence that what we perceive is illusory; if what he perceives is different, then it is incumbent upon him to explain why the authority of his senses should supersede our own; and no, "It's because I'm a clever dick" is not an adequate explanation. Our current civil rights discourse is rife with the same chatter. If you believe the "wrong" things, it's because your capacity for discerning truth and justice is fundamentally flawed by race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc. But people of the exact same race, gender, religion or sexual preference who believe the the "right" things are somehow free of these disabilities.EvilSnack
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