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A friend writes to draw attention to research papers in the Biologic Institute’s journal (as opposed to review papers). This might provide a start for those interested:


 

At the very end of 2014, BIO-Complexity published a paper by Reeves, Gauger, and Axe, “Enzyme Families–Shared Evolutionary History or Shared Design? A Study of the GABA-Aminotransferase Family” which reported experimental results attempting convert various proteins to perform the function of a closely related proteins. They showed that this enzyme conversion would require more mutations than would be feasible over the history of life.

Yesterday on ENV Ann Gauger reviewed their latest research paper in BIO-Complexity, co-published with Doug Axe, “Model and Laboratory Demonstrations That Evolutionary Optimization Works Well Only if Preceded by Invention — Selection Itself Is Not Inventive.” I recommend Ann’s post explaining the paper. This is also an original research paper that reports both experimental and theoretical research.

In their 2014 paper. they had tried to convert proteins to perform the functions of other proteins. But those proteins didn’t already have the functions of the target. We often hear of a “promiscuity” hypothesis where a protein has a primary function but might also have a side activity with some weakly selectable function. In time, that side-activity might be refined and optimized to perform some new function very well. This new paper tested the promiscuity hypothesis through both experimental lab-work and theoretical simulations.

Experimental Work: The new study started with “a junk protein with weak activity against the antibiotic ampicillin, but without a properly folded enzymatic structure. It could not be improved by three rounds of random mutation and selection. In contrast, a weakly functional protein with a destabilized but properly folded structure could rapidly be optimized to wild-type levels and beyond.”

So their research suggests the promiscuity hypothesis only works if you’ve already got the right kind of functional protein fold.

Theoretical Work: They also tested this same question using Stylus, a computer model co-developed by Doug Axe that simulates Darwinian evolution in realistic manner. Here’s how Ann explains what they did:

Using a random sequence whose product has very weak similarity to the target character as a starting point, Doug asked whether it could be evolved by random mutation and selection to produce a character that resembles the archetype that was its goal. Short answer — it could not. For details see the new paper describing the work. Next he tested whether an already existing character with some weak similarity to the target could be evolved by mutation and selection to a proficient version of the target character. Once again, the answer was no. However, if the starting character was only six mutations away from optimization, it improved rapidly upon mutation and selection.

The BIO-Complexity paper presented both experimental research and theoretical research (i.e., computer simulations) that converge on a common conclusion: Selection and mutation can refine things that already have a well-honed function (i.e., as Ann puts it, “the starting protein already exists as a functional fold of the right design”). But the mechanism can’t generate new functions. In other words, it can’t generate new folds or novel functions.


See also: This is embarrassing: “Darwin’s Doubt” debunker is 14 years behind the times

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Zachriel @21 Do you know how (spatiotemporally) AtzA and TriA get produced? Please, you may respond just yes or no. No need to explain anything. Thank you.Dionisio
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From Scott et al., "Despite their high sequence similarity, AtzA and TriA are catalytically distinct; TriA is a deaminase with low dechlorinase activity, while AtzA is a dechlorinase with no detectable deaminase activity." Melamine deaminase, 3.5.4.n3 Atrazine chlorohydrolase, 3.8.1.8Zachriel
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gpuccio @19 Noticing that you have started to dig deeper into details in the discussion -as you usually do- I feel compelled to remind you about something important. Please, note that last November a distinguished professor -commenting in this blog- warned that some folks here don't ask honest questions. You may want to ensure that your questions meet the 'honesty' requirement set by that Canadian scientist. If you don't understand well what he meant by 'honest questions' then join the club! :)Dionisio
January 6, 2016
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Zachriel: From the Axe and Gauger paper:
The common situation where an enzyme performs the same chemical transformation on multiple related substrates should not be confused with promiscuity, as the term is currently used. Mutations readily shift substrate preference in those common cases, but since the catalytic mechanism remains unchanged, shifts of that kind reveal nothing about enzyme origins. Recognizing this, proponents of the promiscuity hypothesis have suggested that enzyme side activities should be described as promiscuous only when two conditions are met. The first condition is that the side activity should have no physiological role, as otherwise the enzyme would be better described as multifunctional than as promiscuous [12]. The second condition has to do with the degree of separation between the side activity and the primary activity. Specifically, referring to the standard Enzyme Commission scheme for classifying enzyme functions, Khersonsky and Tawfik [12] recommend that the term “promiscuous” be reserved for cases where the EC numbers describing the primary and side activities differ in the first, second, or third index. For example, an enzyme acting primarily as a tryptophan N-monooxygenase (EC 1.14.13.125) would not be considered promiscuous if it exhibited the same activity to a lesser extent toward tyrosine (i.e., tyrosine N-monooxygenase activity; EC 1.14.13.41), but it would be considered promiscuous if it instead exhibited slight l-lysine 6-oxidase activity (EC 1.4.3.20) with no evident physiological role.
Here are the EC classifications of the two maltases and five isomaltases in S. cerevisiae quoted in "your" article: MAL 12: 3.2.1.20 MAL 32: 3.2.1.20 IMA 1: 3.2.1.10 IMA 2: 3.2.1.10 IMA 3: 3.2.1.10 IMA 4: 3.2.1.10 IMA 5: 3.2.1.10 As you can certainly see, the shift from maltase to isomaltase implies only a difference in the fourth EC number. I will quote again from the Axe and Gauger paper, for your benefit: "The common situation where an enzyme performs the same chemical transformation on multiple related substrates should not be confused with promiscuity, as the term is currently used. Mutations readily shift substrate preference in those common cases, but since the catalytic mechanism remains unchanged, shifts of that kind reveal nothing about enzyme origins." Emphasis mine. And: "Khersonsky and Tawfik [12] recommend that the term “promiscuous” be reserved for cases where the EC numbers describing the primary and side activities differ in the first, second, or third index." Again, emphasis mine. Therefore, where is it that, as you say, "Voordeckers et al. find what apparently so eluded Reeves, Gauger, and Axe"? Just to know.gpuccio
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Zachriel is proud to be a grand equivocator. It has no shame...Virgil Cain
January 6, 2016
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gpuccio: Is that a comment to the paper? Yes. Voordeckers et al. find what apparently so eluded Reeves, Gauger, and Axe. You might also look at Scott et al. which studies a very recent evolutionary event. Scott et al., Catalytic improvement and evolution of atrazine chlorohydrolase, Applied and Environmental Microbiology, 2009: "Thus, a clear evolutionary pathway from deaminase activity to exclusive chlorohydrolase activity, via a latent promiscuous activity, can involve as few as two amino acid substitutions." -- Experiment: Cut heart out of organism. Result: Organism stops evolving. -- gpuccio: the rugged landscape paper by Hayashi. The second one, in particular, absolutely supports the findings in the Axe and Gauger paper. Hayashi et al. didn't include recombination, so their search was not comprehensive.Zachriel
January 6, 2016
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On top of that, there is bias against ID and sometimes articles are rejected simply because they are from the ID perspective.
I've seen that claim frequently, but never with an example. Do you have one?Roy
January 6, 2016
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Well, leaving apart the question of how many ID papers exist, let's discuss this one. It is very interesting indeed. I think that Axe and Gauger are trying to meet the challenge of understanding in some detail the structure function relationship in protein space, and its relations with random variation and possible NS or AS. I have debated some aspects of this issues many times here, and my ideas are well known. The findings in this paper are absolutely consistent from what we know from the scientific literature. I will simply remind that they are absolutely consistent with the findings in two of the most often quoted papers about protein evolution: the Szostak paper about evolution of an ATP binding protein by artificial selection, and the rugged landscape paper by Hayashi. The second one, in particular, absolutely supports the findings in the Axe and Gauger paper. The Stylus part is interesting, but certainly theoretical. The second part, about real proteins, is much more stimulating. A very good work, as usual, whatever Zachriel may say about spiders... Now, let's listen to the neo darwinist propaganda, which certainly will do its best and worst, as usual, to deny or minimize any interesting point in this discussion.gpuccio
January 6, 2016
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gpuccio is finally figuring out Zachriel!Virgil Cain
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Zachriel: Is that a comment to the paper? Are you not able to express your personal thoughts in an explicit and detailed way? Must you always rely on cryptic quotes, without exposing your real thoughts and taking responsibility for them?gpuccio
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Zachriel, the grand equivocator strikes again! Unfortunately Zachriel is too much of a coward to explain how gene duplications are part of blind and mindless processes.Virgil Cain
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There's been more than 10 ID papers in 10 years. This volume published in 2013 had a couple dozen, and I've seen more in other journals.JoeCoder
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Two scientists are talking in a lab one day and one says to the other, "Wait till you see my latest discovery. It'll blow your mind!" Naturally intrigued, the second scientist asks for a demonstration of this amazing discovery. At his request, the first scientist gets a spider out of a matchbox, places it on the desk and says, "Spider FORWARDS!" At his command, the spider moves forwards. The scientist then says "Spider, FORWARDS", and again the spider does exactly as it is told. The second scientist, impressed with his friend's command of the spider, congratulates him on his work. The first scientist then replies, "No, you haven't seen my discovery yet. Wait till you see *THIS*", and he then pulls all of the spiders legs off and places it back on the desk. The first scientist then repeats his order to the spider "Spider, FORWARDS", but the spider doesn't move. "Spider, FORWARDS!" But it still doesn't move. By this point the second scientist is getting a little confused, and so asks his friend what it is he's trying to do, pointing out that the spider isn't going to move. "Exactly!" the first replies. "I've just discovered that when you pull a spider's legs out, they go deaf!" http://ednieuw.home.xs4all.nl/Spiders/InfoNed/sensoryleg.html
See Voordeckers et al., Reconstruction of Ancestral Metabolic Enzymes Reveals Molecular Mechanisms Underlying Evolutionary Innovation through Gene Duplication, PLoS Biology 2012: "The Present-Day Maltase Enzymes Arose from a Functionally Promiscuous Ancestor"Zachriel
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There is an apples and oranges thing going on here, as well. Ken M, it seems to me, thinks that all those articles on the evolutionary side of the issue specifically demonstrate the viability of the evolutionary paradigm. They do not. I challenge Ken M to present us with a list of ten, accessible, articles over the last ten years that empirically, quantitatively, demonstrate the likelihood, or even, plausibility of the naturalistic OOL and its subsequent evolution. I would really like to read them. StephenSteRusJon
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Ken M:
Just pointing out that ten papers in ten years isn’t exactly very productive for such a ground breaking, paradigm shifting theory.
Evolutionism doesn't have any peer-reviewed papers that support it. Go look and see if you can find any papers supporting accumulations of genetic accidents, errors and mistakes actually creating a multi-protein complex. No one knows how to test such a concept.Virgil Cain
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Ken M said:
Just pointing out that ten papers in ten years isn’t exactly very productive for such a ground breaking, paradigm shifting theory.
It's phenomenal considering the institutional commitment against that theory and the career risk involved in pursuing or supporting such research.William J Murray
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"Just pointing out that ten papers in ten years isn’t exactly very productive for such a ground breaking, paradigm shifting theory." Does it have as good funding as the mainstream pharmaceutical giants driven pseudo-science?EugeneS
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Ken_M: Following your "logic", I should conclude that the neo darwinian theory is certainly good, given the huge number of research papers which support it. And I would be wrong.gpuccio
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Yes, Ken, we would love to see more papers published, but ID does not have near the number of scientists working on it as does evolution. On top of that, there is bias against ID and sometimes articles are rejected simply because they are from the ID perspective. As Rex pointed out, let's deal with the content. Looks like some good ole' experimental research with results to back up the conclusions.That's the kind of science we all respect!tjguy
January 6, 2016
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Just pointing out that ten papers in ten years isn't exactly very productive for such a ground breaking, paradigm shifting theory.Ken_M
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Ken_M, you totally shredded that Bio-Complexity paper. Well done. You zeroed right in on the substance of the research and showed where Gauger and Axe went wrong. Good on ya mate!RexTugwell
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Ten "research" papers in ten years.Ken_M
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