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Simple, Unambigous Evidence We Do Not Live In An Objective, External Material World

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When how I choose to observe a photon at a particular time and place can (1) instantaneously affect a photon a billion light years away and (2) retroactively changes the history of that photon (delayed choice quantum eraser), and when we have searched far, wide and deep and have not found any “matter,” we have comprehensive, conclusive evidence that we do not live in an objective, external, material world.

At some point, if your views are guided by reason and evidence, you will have to accept that whatever “experience” is, it is not caused by an objective, external, material world.

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One explanation for this weirdness is that our reality is some form of virtual reality hyper-computer simulation. I think the evidence for this is fairly compelling. The concept seems to well explain such mysteries as the ultimate nature of quantum mechanics and its well-verified but mysterious undergirding of our physical reality. All of the physics of our world, including Einstein's relativity equations, E = MC^^2, etc. etc. would merely be what was programmed into the virtual reality hyper-simulation. Absolutely all of our world, the physical reality we experience and observe and in which we observe all the weirdness and bizarre nature of quantum mechanical behavior, would be illusory and basically information computed in some other (higher) reality. This higher level of reality of the hyper-simulation would itself be deterministic. We as participators in the cosmic simulation would not be artifacts of the simulation - we would be the users, true conscious sentient thinking entities inhabiting that higher reality. Freeman Dyson and other materialists imagine that human beings are also generated as part of this cosmic simulation software, but this is of course untenable - the so-called "hard problem" of consciousness and a large body of evidence shows that although human consciousness is usually in life tied to material brains it is not of these material neural structures and can separate from the physical body. A spiritual/metaphysical interpretation of this could be that this hyper-simulation reality is merely the underlying mechanism by which Spirit creates the playground of experience and limitation and learning for eternal souls. The case for the simulation hypothesis seems compelling because of the way the analogy of an iterative computer calculation/simulation makes sense of quantum mechanical phenomena. All the philosophical, metaphysical and spiritual implications of such a theory are irrelevant to the likely truth of the theory. I think that Ross Rhodes makes some key points on this, summarized in his paper A Cybernetic Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics at www.http://www.mysearch.org.uk/website1/pdf/615.1.pdf. Just one part of this analysis is examination of the way electromagnetic waves are not really waves in any sort of medium, but behave exactly as if they are waves of calculation.
...in the 1920s it was shown that objects -- everything from electrons to the chair on which you sit -- exhibit exactly the same wave properties as light, and suffer from exactly the same lack of any medium. One way to resolve this seeming paradox of waves without medium is to note that there remains another kind of wave altogether. A wave with which we are all familiar, yet which exists without any medium in the ordinary sense. This is the computer-generated wave. Let us examine a computer-generated sound wave. Imagine the following set up. A musician in a recording studio plays a synthesizer, controlled by a keyboard. It is a digital synthesizer which uses an algorithm (programming) to create nothing more than a series of numbers representing what a sampling of points along the desired sound wave would look like if it were played by a "real" instrument. The synthesizer’s output is routed to a computer and stored as a series of numbers. The numbers are burned into a disk as a series of pits that can be read by a laser -- in other words, a CD recording. The CD is shipped to a store. You buy the CD, bring it home, and put it in your home entertainment system, and press the play button. The"music" has traveled from the recording studio to your living room. Through what medium did the music wave travel? To a degree, you might say that it traveled as electricity through the wires from the keyboard to the computer. But you might just as well say it traveled by truck along the highway to the store. In fact, this"sound wave" never existed as anything more than a digital representation of a hypothetical sound wave which itself never existed. It is, first and last, a string of numbers. Therefore, although it will produce wavelike effects when placed in your stereo, this wave never needed any medium other than the computer memory to spread itself all over the music.
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I'll grant that matter is a convenient shorthand for waves. I won't go along with the rest of this stuff. I don't observe photons here or a billion light years away. I observe waves gathered into compact resonances conveniently called objects, and these objects don't change when I "choose how to observe them." Everything in my house remains in the same place until I move it with my hands. After I move it, it remains in the same place until I move it again. It doesn't move when I "choose how to observe it", whatever that phrase might mean.polistra
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