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The Exosome: RNA Degradation and Evolution

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When the cell makes a copy of a segment of DNA the result is called RNA. This long, thin molecule has many roles, including transmitting information, regulating the cell’s activities and helping molecular machines perform various tasks. But when its job is done, an RNA molecule must be broken apart. The job of destroying RNA is crucial for without it the cell’s RNA would rapidly build up and kill the cell. So cells are equipped with an intricate machine that chops up RNA molecules when they no longer are needed. This RNA degradation machine is called the exosome and it is comprised of ten finely-tuned proteins, nine of which form a cylinder through which the spent RNA is threaded. The tenth protein then chops up the RNA molecule. New research is now elucidating just how the exosome works, and the results pose yet more profound problems for evolution.  Read more

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BA77, I apologize for calling you a coward.Mung
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Mung @ 114 Perhaps, it was circular, as it stemmed from a probable misunderstanding that there was a view, that I thought you might have held, that all of the Jewish apocalyptic genre was purely figurative. I have no reason to ascribe to that view (if it is even a common view). Anyway, your question about the Revelation imagery did not make a clear point for me. Just because I said something sounds 'pretty apocalyptic' (i.e. pretty much akin to a final universal destruction) does not mean it is to be read just like a portion of figurative imagery from the only fully apocalyptic book in the New Testament - the Apocalypse (the Book of Revelation)... or vice versa that the imagery from the Apocalypse passage you described should be read literally like one might read an literal event from a segment of an Epistle, a typically non-cryptic letter, that describes an apocalyptic event (i.e. an apparently universally destructive event). What was your intended original point by asking me if I thought of the passage from Revelation as literal too?..or perhaps, you are getting to that with your next two questions.
Is the language of Revelation apocalyptic?
Yes. It's the only fully apocalyptic book in the NT. And another clue is that the title translates as Apocalypse. :P I have no reason (yet) to think that everything of an apocalyptic nature, in Jewish writings, necessarily requires a figurative approach to reading it to be correct.
Do you interpret it literally?
First. I'm not claiming to know a lot about Revelation. I've not done a lot of research on it. But when I read it, I don't read it as either entirely figuratively or literally. Some appears to read easier as figuratively, while some appears to read easier as literal.JGuy
February 18, 2013
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bornagain77, sorry I didn't notice your response. Thank you for responding, I look forward to your feedback tomorrow!Aspire to Solomon2
February 18, 2013
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Thanks Mung. If you can answer my question regarding the Central Genetic Dogma your welcome to as well :) (anyone can really)Aspire to Solomon2
February 18, 2013
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BA77:
Mung, I have posted the video with the math. and You still want to play games with scriptures. So be it. I have the physical evidence and you don’t. Believe what you want, you will anyway.
You accused me of distorting Scripture and taking Scripture out of context. You accused me of having no evidence. You have a video and some math. That trumps Scripture?
i.e. I rest my case and will respond no more to you on this matter mung.
Coward.Mung
February 18, 2013
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BA77, You have no evidence. Mildly ironic from someone who has claimed that I have none.Mung
February 18, 2013
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A2S2:
I would be delighted if a post was made on GE
There's something known as the Penrose number, or something like that. :)
This now tells us how precise the Creator's aim must have been: namely to an accuracy of one part in 10^10^123.
How special was the big bang? I think any creator who can handle that can handle "genetic entropy."Mung
February 18, 2013
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AtS2, "Does the Central Genetic Dogma still stand?" No. but its my bed time now, perhaps in the morning I will lay a few references out for you.bornagain77
February 18, 2013
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i.e. I rest my case and will respond no more to you on this matter mung.bornagain77
February 18, 2013
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Mung, I have posted the video with the math. and You still want to play games with scriptures. So be it. I have the physical evidence and you don't. Believe what you want, you will anyway.bornagain77
February 18, 2013
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BA77:
Mung isn’t it weird that I posted a article in 112 on the 2nd destruction of Israel, and then you accused me of denying it?
I accuse you of not being able to read. :) I did not say that you denied the historical fact of the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
You appear to be claiming that the prophecies don’t refer to the destruction of Jerusalem [which took place in AD 70] at all. I’d say that puts you in a distinct minority. What is your evidence?
Please post for us the passages from the Bible that you say refer distinctly and *solely to the destruction of Jerusalem that took place in AD 70. *solely - they refer only to the 2ND destruction which took place in AD 70 and not some third or fourth or fifth destruction which would take place post-AD 70. How many times do you think Jerusalem will be destroyed, BA77? How many times will the Jews be slaughtered? How many times will the Jews go into captivity? I know many "Christians" believe that there is yet another "holocaust" to come. Are you one of them?Mung
February 18, 2013
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Mung, I would be delighted if a post was made on GE :) bornagain77, I would appreciate your input regarding my question on the Central Genetic Dogma. I'm not asking about this in relation to GE, just general inquiry. Does the Central Genetic Dogma still stand? Are you suggesting that the body modifies our DNA as par the course as normal body responses? You provide superb links and I would be delighted to see links in particular on this issue, because in the context of other post I’m a little more confused on this subject.Aspire to Solomon2
February 18, 2013
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BA77:
Mung, and all the while Israel is in Jewish hands once again, go figure. You can distort scripture til you are blue in the face, but that EVIDENCE is what crushes your position. PERIOD!
Who is the true Israel and who is the true Jew? Scripture, please, if you dare.Mung
February 18, 2013
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LOL @ BA77 #120. I have no evidence. If I quote Scripture for evidence I am quoting it out of context, therefore I have no evidence. I can't lose! Consider the following three positions: Amillennialism Premillennialism Postmillennialism They all claim to be correct and they all claim to refute the other two. Perhaps BA77 will be so kind as to tell us which of the above three interpretations he holds to. Consider just Premillennialism There's the Pre-Tribulation Rapture The Post-Tribulation Rapture The Mid-Tribulation Rapture The Pre-Wrath Rapture etc etc They all claim to be correct and they all claim to refute the other three. Perhaps BA77 will be so kind as to tell us which of the above four interpretations he holds to. Or is he out in left field some where? Then there's Preterism. Preterism takes Jesus and the Apostle seriously. It attempts to reconcile when they said something would happen with what they said would happen. Preterism offers internal consistency that the other positions lack. It has more Scriptural support and fewer presuppositions. Attacks against preterism are rarely rational and rarely based upon Scriptural exegesis.Mung
February 18, 2013
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Mung, watch this video: Restoration Of Israel and Jerusalem In Prophecy (Doing The Math) – Chuck Missler – video http://www.metacafe.com/w/8598581bornagain77
February 18, 2013
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correction: on the 2nd destruction of JERUSALEM,,,bornagain77
February 18, 2013
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Mung isn't it weird that I posted a article in 112 on the 2nd destruction of Israel, and then you accused me of denying it? Perhaps you check more carefully before you assume my position!bornagain77
February 18, 2013
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Mung, and all the while Israel is in Jewish hands once again, go figure. You can distort scripture til you are blue in the face, but that EVIDENCE is what crushes your position. PERIOD!bornagain77
February 18, 2013
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BA77:
mung, you ... simply do not have any evidence that your preferred view of reality is the way it really is.
Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70, as and when Jesus said it would be. That is a historical fact. Biblical interpreters and commentators have acknowledged through the ages that Jesus and the Apostles prophesied of the coming destruction. Critics, of course, claim the prophecies were made after the fact. You appear to be claiming that the prophecies don't refer to the destruction of Jerusalem at all. I'd say that puts you in a distinct minority. What is your evidence?
I’m still waiting for you to defend your position that GE is false by the way
It's just not that high on my list of priorities. :) Maybe if someone generates an OP on it and it's relevance to intelligent design.
For one, you are severely contorting some scriptures to fit your view of reality and, what’s worse, you are completely ignoring many passages in the Old Testament which speak of a worldwide scattering and regathering of Jewish people in the end times (More than a slight monkey wrench, to put it mildly, in your distorted scheme of things).
Unfortunately you make accusations without any specifics. How am I supposed to respond? No I don't? Here's a list of 101 versus from the New Testament: 101 Preterist Time-Indicators Explain how I am distorting any of them. How do you explain them under your "it never happened" view.
Moreover, you hold that Jesus has already returned (which is simply a joke if think that view fits the world we actually live in).
I'll understand if you have never actually studied these issues like I have, but that doesn't give you license. Many Christians throughout the ages have held to a return of Jesus associated with the destruction of Jerusalem. The Proof of the Gospel
Mark 13:27 “At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.
That's actually Mark 13:26. At what time? When did Jesus say the coming of the son of man would occur? You have to study! You have to look at the context.
As I said before mung, I’m surprised that you have gone so far off track, you usually stick close to what you can prove by evidence.
You mean evidence like 101 verses from the New Testament? Let's try to set this out clearly: The early Christians, including the apostles, thought and declared the end was near, or they didn't. The early Christians, including the apostles, thought and declared Jesus would return soon, or they didn't. Are there other options? They were wrong, or they weren't. My position is as follows: The early Christians, including the Apostles, thought and declared the end was near. They thought and declared that Jesus' return was imminent. They were not mistaken, they did not lie. In proclaiming the nearness of "the end" and the nearness of the return of Jesus they were merely repeating what Jesus had told them in the first place I either have evidence for my position or I don't. I have provided two links. What is your position and what is your evidence?
But this turn you have made into far left field, even quoting scripture out of context to try to defend your position, has made me scratch my head towards your tactics.
Again you make accusations without any specifics. How am I supposed to respond? No I didn’t? What Scripture did I quote out of context?Mung
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Axel be warned, mung cannot support his position, save by cherry picking scriptures, blatantly distorting other scriptures, ignoring still other scriptures. And yet, when shown to be wrong he will wiggle out to another foggy area and insist he is being reasonable.,,, be warned Axel, mung is not his usual self in this area of study!bornagain77
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For Biblical background read Isaiah 24.Mung
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Axel, Almost. The New Jerusalem is a heavenly city, as opposed or as contrasted with the earthly city of Jerusalem. But it comes down out of heaven. It's not a physical city, like the earthly city. It's appearance is not a future event we are still waiting for. "But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel." (Hebrews 12:22-24) We are not waiting for a new mountain, we are not waiting for a new city, we are not waiting for a new temple, we are not waiting for a new covenant, we are not waiting for the new adam (the first/new man in a new creation). These are all truths that most orthodox Christians acknowledge, we are just waiting for our eschatology to catch up to our faith.Mung
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I believe the New Heaven and the New Earth may refer to the New or is it, Second, Easter, which many anticipate, as do I, to be fairly imminent. I don't understand much at all of the Apocalyptic scripture, but, off the top of my head, I would say that the New Jerusalem is in heaven, where every person is a first-born son and a citizen of heaven. Yes, that sounds right, doesn't it?Axel
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mung, you, like Darwinists, simply do not have any evidence that your preferred view of reality is the way it really is. (I'm still waiting for you to defend your position that GE is false by the way),, For one, you are severely contorting some scriptures to fit your view of reality and, what's worse, you are completely ignoring many passages in the Old Testament which speak of a worldwide scattering and regathering of Jewish people in the end times (More than a slight monkey wrench, to put it mildly, in your distorted scheme of things). Moreover, you hold that Jesus has already returned (which is simply a joke if think that view fits the world we actually live in). The bible is unequivocal that there will be no mistake by anyone when Jesus returns. Mark 13:27 "At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. As I said before mung, I'm surprised that you have gone so far off track, you usually stick close to what you can prove by evidence. I've seen you handle yourself really well defending ID. But this turn you have made into far left field, even quoting scripture out of context to try to defend your position, has made me scratch my head towards your tactics.bornagain77
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Back to the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven. Before or after the New Heaven and New Earth?Mung
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JGuy, You're arguing in a circle. The language is apocalyptic in the sense that it's apocalyptic? Not much I can say to that except to point it out. Is the language of Revelation apocalyptic? Do you interpret it literally? "Mention of the flood narrative is extraordinarily frequent in the literature of early Judaism. It shows up ... very often in apocalyptic literature." - Beale, G.K and Carson, D.A. Eds. Commentary on the New Testament Use of the Old Testament. Noah and his family were saved through the flood, as were Lot and his family saved through Sodom, the earth and the heavens and humans continued on.Mung
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Are there any references in the New Testament that speak of “the end” as being far distant? BA77,
Luke 21 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
There's no mention here of a long time until the end. You're reading your own fantasies onto Scripture. Revelation, as I pointed out in #104 puts the period at 42 months. How you turn that into millenia I'll never know. Your claims about the fig tree have been adequately refuted elsewhere and it certainly doesn't place the end a long ways away. In fact it says when you see the leaves you know that summer is near. Near, not far. Get it? And you completely ignore this verse which specifies a clear time frame: "I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. (Luke 21:32)" Within a generation. Soon, not distant. That's the unified testimony of Jesus and the Apostles.Mung
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The Prophesied Second Destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1Yyhb0EH6KaMTeX5bYuLD2fRFgEYJC2RKsjiTcqgEbIIbornagain77
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Also of interest https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-exosome-rna-degradation-and-evolution/#comment-446988bornagain77
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"Are there any references in the New Testament that speak of “the end” as being far distant?" https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-exosome-rna-degradation-and-evolution/#comment-446986bornagain77
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