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The science rule the Christian Darwinist doesn’t want

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Semiotic 007 commented at Mike Behe and Bad Design that Christian researchers embrace atheistic notions of science simply as “the rules of the game”, for getting things done. He goes on to note,

Everyone wants science to explain phenomena in natural, not supernatural, terms whenever possible. Historically, there were big problems with investigators invoking the supernatural whenever it suited them. I believe it was simply easier for Christians to join Enlightenment philosophers in cutting God out of the picture than to obtain some disciplined approach to admitting the supernatural at times and excluding it at other times.

Okay, but how come they don’t see the hook sticking right out of the bait?

First, while it is true that everyone wants science to explain phenomena in natural, not supernatural terms, … how do we know what is natural and what is supernatural? This becomes a serious question where mental phenomena are concerned.

Mario Beauregard and I discuss this in The Spiritual Brain, in connection with laboratory experiments in telekinesis:

To say that an event is “supernatural” is to say that it comes from above or outside nature.

Perhaps we should … ask, what is the nature of nature? Can it include events that are not supernatural in the sense given above, but are also not easily accommodated by materialism?

Regarding psi, we can assume one of two things: (1) every single instance of psi is a direct interference in nature, presumably by a divine power from outside the universe; or (2) the universe permits more entanglement than the materialist paradigm does. The second assumption creates many fewer problems than the first. We do not need to assume that every time a middle-aged bus driver beats the odds in a psi experiment, the universe has been invaded from the outside, let alone that, as unidirectional skeptics have often insisted, “science” is in danger or that “religion is invading science,” or that “a new dark age” is upon us.

Research can determine the circumstances under which entanglement can occur above the quantum level, resulting in apparent action at a distance. (P. 177)

But if, of course, we “know” that materialism is true, then telekinesis is supernatural and the supernatural does not occur, therefore telekinesis does not occur – and anyone whose research shows otherwise threatens science.

The “rules of the game” are constructed primarily to defend materialism from disconfirmation!

I would be interested to hear more about the big problems with investigators who invoked the supernatural whenever it suited them. I’m more familiar with big problems when investigators leave out the reality of the mind whenever that suits them. Just one more excerpt from The Spiritual Brain:

Indeed, by the 1960s, materialism was so pervasive in medicine that Benson had a hard time persuading his colleagues that mental stress could contribute to high blood pressure. Mentors warned that he was risking his career when he began to study the physiology of meditation in an effort to understand how the mind influences the body. (233-34)

Get that? Risking his career. Where have we heard that kind of thing before?

Fortunately, the early researchers persisted, and today we have a much better understanding of the influence of mental states on health (see The Spiritual Brain Chapter 8). Nonetheless many today are busy trying to disconfirm the reality of the mind.

Semiotic 007 adds,

I am not at all saying this is the way science should be. I’m simply trying to state why many Christian researchers in fact restrict themselves to natural causation in their explanations of empirical observations.

What they have in fact chosen to do is help the materialist avoid disconfirmation by identifying as “God” or “supernatural” whatever the materialist disapproves of or fears. That includes evidence of design in nature.

I have often had frustrating conversations with Christian scientists who say things like, “Well, when you say design, you really mean God, don’t you, and you can’t prove God, so it’s not science by definition … ” (This is usually spoken rapid fire, like a flight attendant reciting the safety exits, so I would guess it isn’t a new thought that has just occurred to him.)

Whoa!

The Christian Darwinist (hereafter St. Darwin) may be absolutely convinced in the privacy of his emotional life that if it looks like design it must be God (but it can’t be God and therefore it must be an illusion). But I just don’t know. If we have only just begun to consider that design is definitely a part of nature, we are in no position to say things like that.

George Hunter tells me I am an empiricist, and therefore willing to live with uncertainty. (I join the other commenters from that thread in recommending Hunter’s Science’s Blind Spot, which I reviewed here, as indispensable for understanding St. Darwin.

Because, no sooner has St. Darwin finished reciting the litany above than he starts in with, “Look at all the evil and suffering in the world! What kind of God would be responsible for that? Evolution did that, not God!”

(At this point, I get nostalgic. I still clearly remember my five year old daughter explaining to me, thirty years ago, “I didn’t do that, Mommy. My hands did it.”)

Well, I would be happy to leave God out of it, but St. Darwin won’t let me. He doesn’t want to let me because his purpose is to prevent evidence from ever being relevant to his claims for Darwinism or for other forms of materialism. If that’s playing by the rules, we need to change the rules.

Here’s one rule that I want, but St. Darwin does not want: I won’t mention God and neither does he.

Here is one project he doesn’t want: We just look at the accumulated evidence for the history of life on this planet and ask a simple question: If Darwin’s theory did not exist and was not now the subject of a huge academic industry, would anyone suppose that it explained the Cambrian explosion? The subsequent punctuated history of life? The rise of consciousness?

Darwin’s theory is supported in order to prop up materialism, and otherwise has very little use.

Comments
Two comments that deserve an "Amen": 1. The “rules of the game” are constructed primarily to defend materialism from disconfirmation! That's why theistic evolutionists are tolerated, whereas ID, no matter how far removed from the Bible or any other holy book, must be fought by any means, fair or foul. It doesn't matter how much Behe may protest that he does not base his theory on holy books, or that he accepts common descent. He says materialism cannot explain life, and so he must be villified (they can't make him go). It doesn't matter that Guillermo Gonzalez doesn't even challenge abiogenesis, let alone evolution. He challenges the ability of materialism to explain the universe, and so he must go. Anything said about ID is justified. It doesn't matter whether there are clear distinctions between ID and traditional creationism. One can continue to call ID creationism in a cheap tuxedo, because it works, and anything is permitted in the fight against ID, because it is heresy. It's a good thing that the government is not run by these people, or we could have an Inquisition all over again. There are some who explicitly want one; they say that children should be removed from parents if they persist in teaching them what they consider nonsense. But be of good cheer. The Inquisition passed, and this will too. 2. Here’s one rule that I want, but St. Darwin does not want: I won’t mention God and neither does he. We need to start by proclaiming that rule, and pointing out that if they violate it they are fighting a religion versus science battle, with them being on the religion side. Then we need to call them to account every time they violate that rule. The fact of the matter is that we can win on points every time if they are not allowed to cheat. Some of them know this, and the rest should find it out.Paul Giem
November 3, 2007
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"Because, no sooner has St. Darwin finished reciting the litany above than he starts in with, “Look at all the evil and suffering in the world! What kind of God would be responsible for that? Evolution did that, not God!”" This is actually the ancient theological problem of evil, as utilized by Darwinists. Of course this is invalid as an argument against some form of ID, but the basic Problem of Evil has not really been answered in any satisfactory way. There is overwhelming evidence for an Intelligence behind nature, despite the intransigence of the problem of evil. So in order to avoid disturbing conclusions, it is best to separate the two subjects in the mind, to deliberately entertain a major cognitive dissonance. In the first area (ID, anthropic principles, etc.) use an empirical approach. In the second area a faith based approach is better.magnan
November 3, 2007
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I suppose it depends on what you think the Darwinian hypothesis is. One approach: (1) weak Darwinism: variation and selection are individually necessary to explain biological phenomena (e.g. anatomical diversity, form-to-function fitness, geographical distribution). (2) strong Darwinism: variation and selection are individually necessary and jointly sufficient to explain biological phenomena. In these terms, Darwin himself is a "weak Darwinist," whereas Dawkins is a "strong Darwinist." (I say this because Darwin himself claims that natural selection is not the only mechanism, but only one of the more important ones.) Presumably the only people who deny "weak Darwinism" are those who believe in special creation (i.e. creation of 'kinds'). There's still a lot of room with respect to "weak Darwinism" -- intelligent design being one approach, self-organization theory (e.g. Kauffman, Goodwin) being another. I would guess that if intelligent design is compatible with weak Darwinism, a design theorist can still give kudos to Darwin for having discovered a mechanism that no one had noticed before. Even if design theory is vindicated and strong Darwinism is defeated, Darwin himself still deserves a place in the history books along side Newton (who has also been superseded but still respected for his accomplishments).Carl Sachs
November 3, 2007
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[...] often, so I’ll provide a link back. You really should read this post at Uncommon Descent: The Science Rule the Christian Darwinist Forgot by Denyse O’Leary. She concludes: Here is one project he doesn’t want: We just look at the [...]If Darwinism Didn’t Exist… « Life Under the Blue Sky: The View From Below
November 3, 2007
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"We just look at the accumulated evidence for the history of life on this planet and ask a simple question: If Darwin’s theory did not exist and was not now the subject of a huge academic industry, would anyone suppose that it explained the Cambrian explosion? The subsequent punctuated history of life? The rise of consciousness?" Even more evidences can be added. If, hypothetically, we had remained an essentially theistic society, and if we had all present knowledge about the cosmological anthropic coincidences, the biological anthropic coincidences (as beautifully described in "Nature's Destiny" by Denton), CSI in the genome, IC in cellular nanomachinery, the common sense notion that since computers don't need to be conscious to operate, then calling our brains neurological computers cannot possibly explain our own consciousness, etc, etc--if we had all these evidences and weren't held captive by atheistic ideology, would any sane person have even come up with Darwinism as a hypotheses worthy of consideration?Matteo
November 3, 2007
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An interesting, and related, link "God and geeks: Vatican astronomer hunts for faith in Silicon Valley" at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1920446/poststribune7
November 3, 2007
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Another thing to consider (and to which to object) is the claim that "science" is the final authority. It is essential to insist that "right and wrong" are things that transcend what can be measured.tribune7
November 3, 2007
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Christian researchers embrace atheistic notions of science simply as “the rules of the game” I don't think the problem is playing by "the rules of the game" i.e. investigating an event with the assumption that there is a natural cause (or can be understood via natural means) especially since there is no point in the investigation if the cause is not. What the problem is, I think, is an establishment that is no longer playing by the rules (i.e. they are cheating) by making claims that certain things are proven/true/established when they are clearly not. Further, they are trying to intefer with the investigations of those who are playing by the rules using means clearly prohibited by the rules.tribune7
November 3, 2007
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A few points: 1-
In any case, as Thomas Kuhn pointed out, debate about methodological rules of science often forms part of the practice of science, especially during times when established paradigms are being challenged. Those who reject the "teach the controversy" model on the grounds that ID violates the current rules of scientific practice only beg the question. The present regime of methodological rules cannot prevent the controversy for the simple reason that those rules may themselves be one of the subjects of scientific controversy.
page xxv of Darwinism, Design and Public Education 2- Natural processes only exist in nature and therefore cannot be responsible for the origin of nature- and everyone knows that it matters a great deal to any investigation how something came to be (its origins). 3- Both "deisgn" and "intelligence" exist in nature and therefore are natural. And if the designer is "God", so what? That should not matter if science is interested in reality. see also: If the Designer is God, so what and Does the Designer have to be GodJoseph
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