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The Twin Peaks of the Second Amendment

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In the wake of another senseless shooting yesterday we can expect progressive attacks on our Second Amendment freedom to become even more shrill and frenetic.  That is why now is a good time to go back to basics.  In this essay I will explain the history and theoretical underpinnings of the Second Amendment and discuss why it continues to be vitally important in both of its functions – ensuring the right of law abiding citizens to defend against both private violence and public violence. 

The Theoretical Underpinnings of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms

The United States Supreme Court has held the right to keep and bear arms [“RKBA”] is “among those fundamental rights necessary to our system of ordered liberty.”  McDonald v. City of Chicago.1 No one should be surprised by this holding because the RKBA is deeply rooted in our history, not just as Americans but as heirs to the English common law tradition. 

The first thing and most basic thing one needs to understand about the RKBA is that the right is codified in, not granted by, the Constitution.  The Supreme Court put it this way nearly 150 years ago:  “This is not a right granted by the Constitution.  Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence.”2  In 1689, William and Mary enacted a statute3 in the wake of the Glorious Revolution that is generally considered to be the predecessor of the right that was codified in the Second Amendment over 100 years later.4  William Blackstone’s famous commentaries on the common law greatly influenced the founding generation.  Blackstone summed up all human rights within three primary rights – the right of personal security, the right of personal liberty, and right of private property.5  In addition to these three primary rights, he listed five auxiliary rights that serve as “barriers to protect and maintain inviolate the three great and primary rights.” The RKBA is one of these auxiliary rights.   According to Blackstone, the RKBA has two independent aspects:  (1) “the natural right of resistance and self-preservation;” and (2) “the right of having and using arms for self-preservation and defence.”  Thus, by the time of the American founding, the right was understood to protect against both public and private violence. 

The first aspect of the right – the right to resist a tyrannical government – was the primary impetus behind the Second Amendment.  After all, the Revolutionary War was ignited at Lexington and Concord when the colonists resisted a governmental attempt to seize their arms.  The militia clauses of the original 1789 Constitution giving Congress the power to organize, discipline and call forth the militias were highly controversial, because the anti-federalists feared that these powers could lead to the derogation of the RKBA by the federal government.  The Second Amendment was included in the Bill of Rights to address these objections. 

In the years following the Revolution and the Constitutional Convention, the “check on government power” aspect of the right continued to receive prominence of place.  St. George Tucker was an influential constitutional scholar in the founding period, and he described the right as “the true palladium of liberty.”6  Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, echoing Tucker, wrote in his commentaries:  “The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.”7

By the 1850’s, the fear that the federal government would disarm the universal militia that had prompted the founders to include the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights had largely faded as a popular concern.8  And the second aspect of the right – the right to personal self-defense – had become more prominent in the public’s mind.  Nevertheless, both grounds for the right – what I have called the “twin peaks of the Second Amendment” – continued to provide the theoretical foundation of the right.  In the next two sections I will discuss why both of these peaks continue to be vitally important for ordered liberty in these troubled times.

The Right to Defense Against Private Violence

A few years, ago my wife and I adopted three precious, beautiful children, ages 3, 5 and 7.  Sadly, not long after the kids came to live with us, we received what we believed to be credible information that the biological father was telling people he was making plans to invade our home, kill us, and kidnap the children.  Naturally, when we heard this, we immediately contacted the police and an officer came to our house to meet with us.  I doubt I will ever forget that conversation.  The officer politely listened to our concerns and commiserated with us as we told our story.  And then he said “Well, if he attacks you give us a call and we will get here as soon as we can.”  Have you ever heard the old saw, “when you need the cops in seconds, they are only minutes away”?  My wife and I sat there across our kitchen table from the officer and came to grips with the reality underlying that old saw.  Don’t get me wrong.  I am not criticizing the officer who sat with us, and in retrospect, I should not have been surprised.  Criminals have this advantage over the police:  They pick the time and place of their crimes.  What was he going to do, promise us that he would have a unit parked in our driveway 24/7 from then on?  Of course not.  The cops cannot be everywhere, and it follows that their role is almost always reactive and not preventative. 

My wife and I took our safety into our own hands.  We upgraded our alarm system and installed a security door.  And I made an appointment with a dear friend, an ex-Navy SEAL, who gave me a course in combat shotgun.  And from that time on I slept with that shotgun nearby.  Many nights I laid in bed wondering if this was the night when we would hear a crashing door or a breaking window, the dogs would bark, the alarms would scream, and I would face the test of whether I would be able to put another man down.  My SEAL friend told me to have a specific plan and to visualize implementing that plan over and over.  My wife and I physically practiced our roles in the plan, and countless times I laid there staring at the ceiling as I pictured hearing the crash, grabbing my weapon, racking the slide, and running to meet our attacker in what would surely be a deadly encounter. 

This season of our life came to an end a few nights ago when this man died in a violent encounter with the police.  The next day I marked the occasion by putting my shotgun in the gun safe for the first time in a very long while. 

Here is where the RKBA comes in.  This man was a career criminal who had been to prison several times.  It was illegal for him to possess a firearm.  Yet he had one in his hand when he died.  This may come as a shock to you, but criminals don’t follow the law.  That’s right.  Criminals are infamous for ignoring pesky statutes they find inconvenient, such as the statute that prohibits criminals from possessing guns.  Another old saw:  “If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.”  Trite?  Yes.  True?  Also yes. 

There are over 300 million firearms in this country – we have more guns than people.  Any attempt to confiscate all of those guns would be not only unconstitutional, but also wildly futile.  That is why one basic, indisputable fact should always underlie every discussion about the right to private defense:  Bad men will always find a way to get a gun.  Two more facts follow from this one: (1) The police will candidly admit that they usually cannot prevent bad men from attacking good people.  (2) Therefore, law abiding citizens must be free to defend themselves with equal if not superior firepower to that employed against them. 

My wife and I have lived as if under the Sword of Damocles.  She was especially vulnerable, and can tell you how it feels to have a stab of fear in your heart every time an unfamiliar car passes by.  We hoped the day would never come and thankfully it did not.  But we had to prepare to defend ourselves and our precious children.  Her .38 special and my 12-gauge pump action were crucial to that preparation.  Gun control fanatics imagine a utopia where such preparation is never necessary.  They have deluded themselves and would delude the rest of us too.  We must live, not ignore, harsh realities, including the harsh reality that bad men will always find a way to arm themselves.  We must resist the progressives’ efforts to disarm us and render us defenseless.  Never forget that the Greek roots of “utopia” literally mean “no place.”

The Right to Defense Against Public Violence

Two of the stupidest comments I hear from gun control fanatics are “You don’t need an AR-15 to hunt!” and “the Second Amendment does not protect weapons of war!”  God help us.  The sheer breadth and depth of the historical ignorance that underlies these statements beggars belief. 

The Second Amendment states: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

What in God’s name do these fanatics think a militia does?  That’s right.  It fights wars.  As we saw above, the RKBA ensures the right of the people to defend against both private violence and public violence.  Only an idiot believes the Second Amendment was a sop the Founders extended to duck hunters to get them to vote to ratify the Constitution. 

But surely, we are far past the time when we need to worry about public violence, aren’t we?  No, we are not. 

A few years ago I had a gun control debate with a friend (we will call him “Tony”) who was a citizen of Hong Kong.  There was a mass shooting here, and Tony took to Facebook to bemoan gun violence in the United States and compare us unfavorably to peaceful Hong Kong.  In my response I acknowledged that mass shootings are indeed a terrible thing and a few thousand people had indeed died in such incidents in the last 50 years.  But then I tried to put that statistic into perspective, and I asked my friend “What did Mao call a few thousand deaths?”  Answer:  “Tuesday afternoon.”  Mao famously said  that “power grows out of the barrel of a gun,” and in his China, the government had a monopoly on guns.  He used that monopoly to perpetrate 65 million murders.  That’s right, I said, within living memory your government used its gun monopoly to accomplish the ruthless murder of tens of millions.  Maybe governments should not have a monopoly on guns.

Tony was unimpressed with my arguments and eventually unfriended me.  Xi’s government stands in direct linear descent from Mao’s government, and in recent months we have watched in horror as China brutally stomped out the last vestiges of freedom the British common law system had bequeathed to Hong Kong.  As I watch those reports, I sometimes wondered if Tony ever thought back on our exchange.  Has he reconsidered whether it would have been a good thing for the freedom loving citizens of Hong Kong to have the means to resist Xi’s brutality by force of arms?

But that can never happen in the United States Barry.  Why do you say that?  Are American politicians so much purer of heart than Chinese politicians?  Does their lust for power not burn as hotly as their Chinese counterparts?  Do you really think that a wild-eyed progressive fanatic like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez would not impose her utopian visions on the American people by force of arms if she thought she had half a chance? 

I will grant you this.  Maoist style authoritarianism is unlikely to occur in the United States.  But this is not because our politicians are better than theirs.  It is because our politicians have a healthy fear of a well-armed citizenry and know there are limits beyond which they dare not push us.  I hope there never comes a day when those limits are tested.  But if they are, I am glad the Second Amendment ensures the US government – unlike the Chinese government – will not have a monopoly on power. 

Freedom is Costly

None of what I have written means I take the deaths caused in mass shootings lightly.  Every death is a tragedy.  And it is certainly the case that the right to keep and bear arms comes at a cost – the cost we incur when that right is abused.  But we do not jettison our fundamental rights even when it is absolutely certain that public safety would be increased if we did.  This principle is true not only of RKBA; it is equally true of many of our other freedoms.  As the Supreme Court noted in McDonald:

The right to keep and bear arms, however, is not the only constitutional right that has controversial public safety implications.  All of the constitutional provisions that impose restrictions on law enforcement and on the prosecution of crimes fall into the same category.  The exclusionary rule generates substantial social costs, which sometimes include setting the guilty free and the dangerous at large.  [There are] serious consequences of dismissal for a speedy trial violation, which means a defendant who may be guilty of a serious crime will go free.  In some unknown number of cases [the Miranda rule] will return a killer, a rapist or other criminal to the streets to repeat his crime.

We could do away with the right against self-incrimination and let cops beat confessions out of suspects.  There is not the slightest doubt that if we did, countless lives would be saved by keeping criminals off the street.  We do not give up this and other freedoms even though they come at a high cost.  Why? Because in the United States we have chosen a dangerous freedom over a peaceful slavery. 

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1561 U.S. 742, 778 (2010).

2United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542, 553 (1876).

31 W. & M., ch. 2, § 7, in 3 Eng. Stat. at Large 441.

4District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570, 593 (2008).

51 Blackstone 141 (1765). 

61 Blackstone’s Commentaries, Editor’s App. 300 (S. Tucker ed. 1803). 

73 J. Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States § 1890, 746 (1833). 

8McDonald, 561 U.S. at 770.

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In the case of Naboth and the vineyard Ahab wanted, I would think that God had the Final Judgement.ET
April 18, 2021
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Please stop quote-mining me. Please do tell when mere words have destroyed someone. How many times has that happened compared to all of the deaths by guns? There are plenty of ways to protect yourself and your loved ones in your home that does nit require a gun. And there are plenty of ways to get a gun without a permit. Words are the same now as they were in the time of the Founding Fathers. Guns are not. And hearsay is not evidence.ET
April 18, 2021
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Excellent summary of the reasons why keeping arms is a personal right here in the land of the free. Like many other things that hinge on personal worldview, guns are a trigger for many that send them into knee jerk straw-man burning apoplectic spasms. Our new president recently stated that "No amendment is absolute" specifically in reference to the 2nd. This should be instructive on what his future plans are for firearms ownership in the U.S. Four million + guns were sold in January 2021, breaking all previous records for monthly sales, so the president's intentions are transparent to many people. People are buying now as they realize his worldview is that of the athiest materialist utopian left; ownership of a gun by itself tempts people into committing a crime. The gun is treated as a material object capable of producing crime with no regard for anything else. The number of firearms privately owned in the U.S. is estimated by reliable sources to be over 400 million with 20 of those millions being the feared AR-15 model. There are 150 million high capacity magazines to supply firepower to these firearms. Half of the adult population owns firearms, around 120 million. Nobody knows for certain, which is good if you ask me. I've got my Grandpa's .45 Colt six-shooter he bought back in the roaring 20s and many other people also have family heirloom firearms that are still functional and still, in the eyes of some, dangerous. The less the government knows the better. Those that think firearms need to be banned need to explain how they are harmed by peaceful citizen's private ownership of firearms. You know, as we're supposed to explain why same sex marriage harms us. I have what could be considered a small arsenal of firearms, from a pepper box .22 caliber pistol my Grandmother (20's Flapper) bequeathed me, to a .338 Lapua Magnum bolt action I hunted moose with in Newfoundland. None of them have taken or injured a human life, and most likely never will. The fact is that some people won't be satisfied until everyone is forced to abide by their personally held worldview that tells them firearms are bad. I was going to say evil instead of "bad" but the typical gun-grabbing liberal doesn't believe in evil. As far as licensing goes, I can drive my truck on private property all day every day and no license is needed to purchase, own or operate said truck. The dealer delivered it to the farm so I didn't have to drive it home. It is only when that truck enters a publicly owned road that a driver license, a state license plate as well as personal insurance, is needed. The same should be the law for firearms. No license needed to purchase, own or operate unless in a public place. BA states that "Our politicians have a healthy fear of a well-armed citizenry and know there are limits beyond which they dare not push us." The liberal left has been pushing the gun control/prohibition agenda before the 1994 federal assault weapons ban was signed by Bill Clinton. Shortly after he signed it the House of Congress passed to Republican control in a unforeseen electoral landslide, a loss the Democrats have not forgotten. Anxious to extend their control to the Senate in 2022, its doubtful another such law will be attempted. But we'll have to wait and see.LoneCycler
April 18, 2021
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ET to Barry:
Maybe you should have had your gun permit and weaponry for years. It was your right to do so.
A possible scene in one of those infinite number of universes the materialists go on about: Two cops talking while standing over the bullet riddled bodies of a man and his wife whose application for an emergency gun permit was denied. One cop says to the other:
Maybe they should have had their gun permit and weaponry for years. It was their right to do so.
Barry Arrington
April 18, 2021
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ET, people have been murdered with the tongue [start with Naboth and the vineyard Ahab wanted], others have been driven to suicide, others have had their lives irretrievably wrecked. No, it is not the case that those so abused recover, not in a great many cases. Slander is hellishly destructive. KFkairosfocus
April 18, 2021
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ET, Here, let me fix that for you. Wow. When the Bill of Rights was written they were using printing presses turned by hand. So now that we have the Internet we really need to make sure the government is ensuring that people who get on the Internet know how to use it. Get a grip. "Words can only destroy you if those words are true" That may be the single most stupid comment that was ever posted at UD. Ding ding ding. You get a cookie. I don't even have to argue against it, because it is false on its face, as every reasonable person knows. It is astonishing that people seem to lose their mind when they argue on this topic.Barry Arrington
April 18, 2021
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Wow. When the Bill of Rights was written they were using single-shot, muzzle loaders that took quite a bit of training to be able to load and fire. When personal arms started getting easier to use laws were required to make sure that those getting a firearm would know how to use it. Everyone has the right to live a peaceful and honest life. The Government has the responsibility to see to it they get to do so. And if that means limiting the legal sales of guns to those who qualify, then that should be OK for anyone. When people abuse their 1A rights the people who they intended to hurt recover. When people abuse their 2A rights, people die. Huge difference. Words can only destroy you if those words are true and prove that you are a bad person. And that means it was your actions that destroyed you. So clearly the two scenarios are not equal and should not be treated equally. Prior restraint is a good thing for people wanting to buy guns. And if you don't think that I understand something, then explain it. Maybe you should have had your gun permit and weaponry for years. It was your right to do so.ET
April 18, 2021
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ET "There are laws for that." Yes, there are. Those laws punish the person who abuses their 1A right. There are laws to punish people who abuse their 2A right too. In neither case should the exercise of the right be subject to prior restraint. As for my argument, it is clear that you do not understand it, much less refute it. Read it again. Think more. Take another run at it. I will be waiting.Barry Arrington
April 18, 2021
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BA, if they go after training, they are going after self-defence. They use scissors tactics, marginalise dangerous or blood sports, demonise effective means of self defence. Don't forget, central licensing or IDs and registration handy for later on "none could buy or sell, save . . ." KF PS I favour id's but let there be a market with firewalls between id providers requiring specific search seizure authorisation for cause from a judge with independent review. PPS yes those who refuse to issue authorisation should be subject to review and personally liable for heavy damages.kairosfocus
April 18, 2021
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ET, traps are highly illegal, tut tut. Bad boy, go stand in the corner. Besides, do you think they will stop at powder burning arms? Arms includes down to a rock. In the UK they are coming after your kitchen knives now and forget pocket knives. As for air rifles, spear guns, bows, cross bows, sling shots and slings, or "de cutliss" . . . KFkairosfocus
April 18, 2021
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There are many ways to defend your home and family that don't require a gun.ET
April 18, 2021
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Yes, kairosfocus, I prefer silent but deadly-> bows, knives and even a spear gun. ;) I am also very proficient with the bola.ET
April 18, 2021
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Barry:
are you suggesting that a person’s life cannot be ruined by libel?
There are laws for that. And that is also where seversky's argument fails. If your mouth harms me then it is open season for my fist. If someone tries to ruin your life then you have every right to defend yourself. Including beating that person to a pulp. So your argument falls to pieces.ET
April 18, 2021
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KF, the home invasion scenario is key. Was I supposed to wait until after my home was invaded and my wife and I were killed to go get the license to defend against the home invasion? Is some government factotum going to be vested with the power to determine whether the threat against me is serious enough to warrant issuance of a license? This is not an academic question. That is exactly the standard someone who wants to possess a gun in New York must meet.Barry Arrington
April 18, 2021
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BKA: What do sports have to do with 2nd Amdt? KF: Infantry training to be a well regulated militia capable of marching over rough ground, quiet movement, scouting, picking tactical points, other small unit tactics and shooting to hit.
Yes, surely the training your cite is good for members of the militia. But the question on the table is whether the 2A is designed to protect a person's right to engage in sporting activities as such. Without the slightest doubt, it is not. The 2A is designed to codify the right to defense against public and private violence. It was not passed to ensure the government did not encroach on the right to hunt or shoot at targets, etc. (there probably is no such right). Thus, the frequently stated argument "you don't need an AR15 to hunt deer" is exposed as a canard, because the obvious response is "who cares, the 2A was not intended to protect deer hunting. It was intended to keep citizens armed against private and public violence, and an AR15 is an excellent countermeasure to both."Barry Arrington
April 18, 2021
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ET, under home invasion circumstances you need to be able to hear who may be sneakily coming up the back ways, before the noise gets made. KFkairosfocus
April 18, 2021
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BA Q: What do sports have to do with 2nd Amdt? A: Infantry training to be a well regulated militia capable of marching over rough ground, quiet movement, scouting, picking tactical points, other small unit tactics and shooting to hit. Your point on fundamental mistrust of Gov't has a point. I do think properly done licensing is reasonable but the problem is we are obviously dealing with too many who are unreasonable, perverse, fork tongued and ill willed as well as addicted to power. I am also of the view that the degree of liberty acknowledged in the US is a buttress to civil liberty everywhere else. We could call it liberty leadership to parallel price leadership. Your point on disability restrictions as opposed to central control is food for thought. One of the most chilling statements in the Maccabees, is that the gentiles always broke their promises. KFkairosfocus
April 18, 2021
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JVL But I do like living in a country where I don’t worry about maybe getting shot when I’m in town late on a Saturday night or having to consider shooting someone coming into my home.
What about knives? Probably in London alone more people die of knives than in entire US(with guns).Sandy
April 18, 2021
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Yes, JVL, some have chosen peaceful servitude over dangerous freedom. Ask the people of Hong Kong how that choice worked out for them. Or you could ask the members of the Canadian church who watched in horror as the police built a fence around their building the day before Easter. Sheeple choose promises of safety (often broken) over freedom. No citizen who has ever read the Declaration and taken it seriously would make such a choice.Barry Arrington
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As a US citizen living abroad (in the UK) I find this conversation fascinating. Presently the rules in the UK allow citizens to own firearms under very particular circumstances. A gamekeeper at a large estate is an easy case, a homeowner wanting to be able to defend them self is not. There was a case a few years ago of a man being prosecuted because he shot some intruders on his property (killed one of them) because he used disproportionate amount of force; i.e. he should have called the police and maybe threatened the intruders but actually shooting them was over the top. Most of the constables here do not carry weapons. Almost no one you meet in public will be carrying a weapon. Most people in this country don't see why they need a weapon of any kind. There's just a different attitude about the whole issue, particularly after the Dunblane shooting in the mid-90s when there was a real push to make it much harder for people to own and carry a gun of any kind. I know someone who owned a gun and kept it in his home. He had to go through a lot of safety training and prove he had a way of securing the weapon and it's ammunition securely. While I've lived here I have fired a weapon (a shotgun at a skeet-shooting range, under strict safety supervision). So it's possible to own a gun, it's possible to shot a gun or get training in shooting a gun. But almost everyone doesn't see the point. Maybe the people of the UK no longer fear having to defend their rights from invaders or intruders or government coups? Maybe the level of violence is that much lower? I don't know. But I do like living in a country where I don't worry about maybe getting shot when I'm in town late on a Saturday night or having to consider shooting someone coming into my home. By the way, many of my relatives in the US are responsible gun owners (hunters mostly), I have no base-line objection to responsible gun ownership. I do find it curious that the two cultures with a strong common root, have come to such different conclusions.JVL
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OP: There are over 300 million firearms in this country – we have more guns than people. I don't know about the number of firearms but most people estimate the US populations to be about 328 million. This doesn't detract from your general point but it's good to get the stats right.JVL
April 18, 2021
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ET, are you suggesting that a person's life cannot be ruined by libel? I hope not. So your criterion for government licensing of constitutional rights (the government can license the exercise any constitutional right that, if abused, might lead to harm) falls to pieces. BTW, no one has suggested that mentally ill people should have unfettered access to guns. Preventing mentally ill people from owning a gun is not the same thing as preventing everyone from having a gun unless some government functionary decides they can.Barry Arrington
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Umm, no one can kill someone with mere words. No one cares about a ranting lunatic. People care about that lunatic with a gun, though. The government has to protect the people, Barry. Checking on people who want to own a gun is part of that protection.ET
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Here is the problem with all of this talk about government licensing the right to keep and bear arms. The right to license entails the right to deny the license. And history proves over and over that when the government has the power to issue or deny a license to keep and bear arms, it will use that power overwhelmingly to do the latter. Just ask anyone who has ever applied for a gun license in New York, whose licensing laws are wildly unconstitutional and will be struck down eventually.Barry Arrington
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It all depends on the context. Owning a gun comes with responsibility. So the government needs to see if you are a responsible person.
Let me fix that for you:
It all depends on the context. Speaking comes with responsibility. So the government needs to see if you are a responsible person before it allows you to speak.
Are you OK with that? BTW, permit licenses do not license the speech. They license access to government property. No one disputes that the government can prevent you from carrying a gun onto government property. The issue is whether the government can prevent you from having a gun at all.Barry Arrington
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KF at 14. Interesting thoughts, but I do not think you are raising Sev. You are talking about something completely different. We have had compulsory education laws for over a century and the government can mandate the topics addressed in that education. No one disputes that. Why not include firearms training in the curriculum? At the very least, a little training in firearms might prevent progressives from saying some of the screamingly stupid things they often say when speaking on the subject. See here: And again, in the 1st Amendment context we do not allow "prior restraint." But we do allow suing someone for defamation. In other words, we don't prevent people from exercising their freedom of speech before they speak,, but we certainly do punish them if they abuse that right. The same is true of the 2A. "Common sense gun laws" is progressive-speak for squashing the right to keep and bear arms to the maximum extent they can get away with. As with the first amendment, I support the government punishing abuse. I do not trust the government to pick and choose who gets to exercise the right in the first place.Barry Arrington
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Do you think the government should be able to issue (or if it chooses withhold) a license to exercise any of your other constitutional rights?
It all depends on the context. Owning a gun comes with responsibility. So the government needs to see if you are a responsible person. Some States require a permit to demonstrate, which is an assembly of people. Guns are not toys. So I agree with the government making sure that every gun owner knows how to use them.ET
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Does anyone know what happens to you when you shoot a 38 or a 12 gauge in your house? You go deaf. Your hearing may return but you are incapacitated for a while. So keep ear protection near your guns.ET
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ET, Same question as Sev: Do you think the government should be able to issue (or if it chooses withhold) a license to exercise any of your other constitutional rights?Barry Arrington
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"I’m all for responsible gun ownership and I believe the majority are. The problem is how to deal with those that aren’t. Is it acceptable to just throw up our hands and say there is nothing that can be done?" I have never heard anyone argue that there should not be penalties for the abuse of 2nd Amendment rights, just as there are penalties for abuse of 1st Amendment rights. You have erected a straw man.Barry Arrington
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