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Theos / Comres report – Intelligent Design supporters ‘highest educated’

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The Theos funded report on attitudes to evolution and creation in UK society has now been published. It gives a confusing picture, although that didn’t stop the Guardian taking one figure out of context to give the spin required by the paper. Guardian news item Theos news item

The report, Faith and Darwin written by Comres not Theos to avoid bias, commented on page 102.

“Despite the decrease of religious practice in the UK and the recent media coverage of issues of science and faith, there is still a core of people who hold to Young Earth Creationism. However, interestingly, the youngest generations and highest educated people show inclinations towards believing in Intelligent Design. Could this be a pointer towards the dominant trend of tomorrow?”

Elsewhere, on pages 18-19, it gave a profile of a typical intelligent design supporter.

“[He is typically] 25 has just completed a master’s degree, believes that the complexity of life on earth can only be explained by Intelligent Design. He believes there is a God or higher power of some sort, though is unwilling to be drawn on whether that is the God his grandmother believes in or some other force. Evolution, he says, is still just a theory that is waiting to be proved or disproved by the evidence. It doesn’t offer a serious challenge to the question of ultimate purpose in life, and does not contradict his view that humans have unique value and significance. He thinks science challenges religious faith, but is happy to live with this tension and remains open-minded about how evolutionary theory and Christianity relate to each other. Unlike his father, he thinks children should be introduced to Intelligent Design in school, but while his grandmother would like to see it taught in science lessons as an alternative to evolution, he agrees with his mother that it is a more appropriate subject for discussion in subjects such as RE.”

However, Paul Wolley of Theos continues to promote his belief in theistic evolution, calling on people to carefully weigh the evidence for evolution. It would seem though that many of the best educated have concluded that Darwinian explanations cannot explain all of life.

Furthermore, Theos continue to assert that Darwin’s ides have little consequence for theistic belief despite the fact that Darwin’s writing, correspondence and acquaintances are complicated and Darwin seemed to have had feet in a number of camps. Darwin for instance seemed to give tacit approval to the activity of T.H. Huxley who was developing a sense of conflict between science and faith while promoting Darwin’s work; at least there is little evidence that Darwin did anything to question Huxley.
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This is a very interesting post. Thanks Mr. Sibley.Platonist
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Hi! This will be my first post. I've been a regular visitor/reader of UD for 3 years now. I have a degree in Computer Science majoring in Information Systems, specializing in Data Structures, Systems Analysis and Design, and Programming. I also am a graduate of ID (Industrial Design , that is) Currently, I am a software tester.Ferdi Tern
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I remember thinking that evo was B.S. while in high school without any religious prompting. All life comes from as single cell? I couldn't buy it and I was right. And a tree of life with just two kingdoms? I should have written it up and I would have had a Nobel prize at age 14.tribune7
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B.S. in Electrical Engineering - emphasis in DSP and CommunicationsBerceuse
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I just found this site a few weeks ago, but everything I've learned in molecular bio, biochem, etc. has pointed toward intelligent design. I'm 2 years from completing my PharmD.pharmgirl
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Thomas Cudworth, "No religious motivation involved in rejecting Darwinism" In this you are not all that uncommon, and are the ultimate proof of the falsehood of the ID = religion canard.bFast
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Sorry, too old to match the ideal "25" of the survey, but put me down for a year of science and an "arts" Ph.D. Cannot boast of any accomplishment in crossword puzzles. No religious motivation involved in rejecting Darwinism as ludicrously improbable and suspiciously short on detailed descriptions of purported mechanisms.Thomas Cudworth
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Not a frequent poster but forever reading UD. Currently in my 4th year (out of 5) of Veterinary Science at Sydney Uni. By the by, Darwinism has *no* value within the course, not even from theory (and our curriculum is U.S. + U.K. accredited). Despite being the 'foundation of biology', in just over a year I'll be certified to treat any animal under the sun (bar humans) without knowing a thing about the all-important Darwin picture. Crazy world, huh?Avonwatches
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I'm not a frequent commenter, but: hardware/software engineer (BSEE from Berkeley, 1987, emphasis on integrated circuits), with lots of chip/system level work under my belt. Everything from new silicon/board debug, through writing simulators, compilers, and other system-level tools from scratch. Maybe a quarter million lines of code, from assembly level up through abstract object-oriented systems. And 5 patents. In short, a total idiot, lacking any right to opine on the question of design in biological systems, and too deluded to see that Darwinism has the same logical force as the Theorem of Pythagoras. Also, an instrument-rated pilot working on being a flight instructor. Ah well, being this dumb is its own punishment...Matteo
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Software engineer as well, as many on here know. uoflcard said it best:
Evolving from a simple system to a complex one (or even worse, a complex system to a different complex system) via slight, successive, but progressively beneficial mutations would be an incredible challenge for a team of engineers. That is why we have such a difficult time believing that life randomly bumped its way to developing much of anything, much less the incredible machinery found all throughout biology.
We build info-processing machines; we know the effort it takes every time we transform them, while retaining functionality. Good luck random walk.Atom
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Another software dude here. I only have a Bachelors in computer science too. Not sure any of the following counts but : I used to be a flight instructor - light aircraft - taught theory as well ;navigation, aerodynamics, meteorology, propulsion systems etc.. I've also done a lot of theological studies (at least equivalent to a masters) and pastoral work. Speak, read & write 2 languages fluently - english, french (a little spanish) and I can translate Hebrew if given a good dictionary ;-) haha Did some pro photography a long time back too. I'm also a professional musician (when time allows)- guitar - mostly rock, shred, blues etc. ID is the only scientific game left in town where biology is concerned, afaic. Darwinism, no matter what form it takes, just doesn't cut it at all - neither logically or experimentally. Whatever ... for what it's worth... :-)Borne
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...undergrad in engineering, then geophysics, now doing software development in the earth sciences.SCheesman
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A sporadic poster . . . and I hope this doesn't skew us too much toward stupid, but I am not degreed in any scientific or engineering area. However, I routinely do the N. Y. Times Sunday crossword puzzle -- and in pen! Is that a field? (("I have a M. Ed.," he said in a hushed tone.))Tim
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Me too. Only an occasional commenter here, but I am a Ph.D. physicist who moved over into software engineering in the '90s. I have worked both in digital imaging and software security fields.JDH
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I found this very interesting article from July 2006 about the amazing functions of fish in extreme conditions. One section is about the Crucian Carp, which is able to live for months without oxygen. Check out this gem of a quote:
“Anoxia related diseases are the major causes of death in the industrialized world. We have here a situation where evolution has solved the problem of anoxic survival millions of years ago, something that medical science has struggled with for decades with limited success”, said Professor Nilsson.
So decades of the smartest people in the world dedicating their lives to it can barely scratch the surface, yet of course random + selection did it. FACT.
The researchers hope that understanding how some animals cope with anoxia might give clues as to how to solve this problem in humans.
I'm sure this is thought by some to be proof of the usefulness of neoD, when really it's a use of ID. They're reverse engineering a wildly complex and brilliant system, not tracing the evolutionary increments for how it came to be.uoflcard
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Mechanical Engineer, about to complete Master's degree, almost 24 (the article nailed that). I think the reason Engineers are more likely to side with ID is because they realize a complex system has to WORK, and it is challenging to do so. Evolving from a simple system to a complex one (or even worse, a complex system to a different complex system) via slight, successive, but progressively beneficial mutations would be an incredible challenge for a team of engineers. That is why we have such a difficult time believing that life randomly bumped its way to developing much of anything, much less the incredible machinery found all throughout biology.uoflcard
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Software engineers recognize a digital information-processing system when they encounter one, and know that such engines require design, and lots of it.
Add me to the list! Even though I am mostly into web development and application engineering, graphic design and reverse engineering is my second passion.
Though I am Christian, it is the programmer in me, much more than the Christian, that sees neo-Darwinism as unbelievable.
I second that bfast!sxussd13
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Software engineers recognize a digital information-processing system when they encounter one, and know that such engines require design, and lots of it.
You've got my number. I've developed advanced image enhancement technology for which I have been awarded 7 patents. Though I only have a bachelor's degree, The U.S. INS has formally declared that I have the equivelant of an advanced degree in computer science. Though I am Christian, it is the programmer in me, much more than the Christian, that sees neo-Darwinism as unbelievable.bFast
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My grandfather fought for England in the First World War. Like many others, he returned disillusioned with Christianity. I suspect England was set on a course of Godlessness from that time.Arthur Smith
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To reply to GilDodgen @2; I'm just an occasional poster here, but for what it's worth my field is optical instrumentation, with a specific emphasis on using advanced optimization algorithms on complex optical data. I guess that fits.Stephen Morris
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Prominent anti-ID crusaders (Richard Dawkins, Eugenie Scott, et. al.) would have people believe that ID proponents are a bunch of poorly educated “creationist” dolts with low IQ’s and no ability to think rationally, and who believe silly ideas based on blind faith and fantasy. However, I’ve observed just the opposite. Most of the ID people I know are well-educated and bright, and a disproportionate percentage of them seem to be engineers, especially software engineers. There is a reason for this in my opinion. Software engineers recognize a digital information-processing system when they encounter one, and know that such engines require design, and lots of it. I’m a software engineer in aerospace R&D. I’d be interested to discover in which fields the most frequent ID-proponent UD contributors are involved. You all know who you are. How about posting that information in this thread, just to satisfy curiosity?GilDodgen
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I think one large part of this is because the successes of science mean that, whatever one may think about the past, the future of biological development is 'intelligent design'. And the fact that we can exert control over biological development now, and will increase that capability in the future, it continues to encourage us to look at the past with an eye for or expectation of design being at work.nullasalus
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