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Theistic Evolution – A Pact with the Devil?


Since I don’t believe in angels, devils, and things of that nature understand that the devil in the title is a metaphor for positive atheists. I wanted to point out that as soon as the atheists have vanquished the more blatant god bothering creationists from post-modern western civilization they’re going to go after the so-called theistic evolutionists. If any one of the theistic evolutionists thinks that the likes of Richard Dawkins, PZ Myers, or their ilk are going to be happy working side by side with serious theists of any stripe then they have another think coming. I wrote in a comment that theistic evolutionists are spineless appeasers. So too are the positive atheists who embrace them. It won’t last. The PAs simply don’t have the numbers to eject all the theists so they’re choosing their battles and making hasty alliances born of necessity. It’s all so transparent. TEs should keep in mind the following as they choose who to sleep with (and they had better learn to sleep with one eye open):

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out –
because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out –
because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out –
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me – and there was no one left to speak for me.

I’m just sayin…

Clarence, you said "With all respect to you, I don’t think there’s any evidence of atheists of any flavour trying to vanquish anyone from civilisation." I am sorry Clarence but you should read the Black Book about 20th century Communism and their attempt to impose their ideology. I believe the usual number associated with the people they vanquished is around 100 million. And if Mao and Castro had gotten their way there would have been a lot more. Each apparently urged the Soviet Union to use their nuclear technology to establish world wide communism by destroying the West. jerry
Someone once said that to be both a theist and an evolutionist you have to be not much of either. Vladimir Krondan
To be fair, if they want to establish their own "big tent" they're free to do so. Patrick
Dave, you are right, of course. And Deuce you make a spectular point. Miller wants his God and his Darwin too, but he wants a quiet God and loud Darwin. StephenB
Frankly, I don't think that many of the TEs that we regularly hear about really care. Take Miller for instance. He seems extremely bothered by the notion that somebody's religion might prevent them from believing in Darwinism, and he expends the bulk of his energy trying to convince them to do so. On the other hand, I don't see that he's the least bit concerned that somebody's Darwinism might prevent them from being a theist, or cause them to stop being one. Has he ever been in one single debate in which he seriously argued with an atheist against the notion that we're an unplanned accident, or that morality and belief in God are just the accidental result of genes shaped by natural selection, or what have you? Having a rationally compelling theology that can withstand the atheistic argument from Darwinism just doesn't appear to be on his priority list. I suspect he'd be quite a bit happier with a world in which everybody was an atheist, so long as they all were Darwinists. Deuce
With all respect to you, I don't think there's any evidence of atheists of any flavour trying to vanquish anyone from civilisation. Certainly there are some who want to vanquish religion itself, but even they don't advocate getting rid of individuals. I think you need to be wary of going down the Tom Willis path here. Clarence

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