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Jefferson to John Adams on April 11, 1823:

I hold (without appeal to revelation) that when we take a view of the Universe, in its parts general or particular, it is impossible for the human mind not to perceive and feel a conviction of design, consummate skill, and indefinite power in every atom of its composition. The movements of the heavenly bodies, so exactly held in their course by the balance of centrifugal and centripedal forces, the structure of our earth itself, with its distribution of lands, waters and atmosphere, animal and vegetable bodies, examined in all their minutest particles, insects mere atoms of life, yet as perfectly organised as man or mammoth, the mineral substances, their generation and uses, it is impossible, I say, for the human mind not to believe that there is, in all this, design, cause and effect, up to an ultimate cause, a fabricator of all things from matter and motion, their preserver and regulator while permitted to exist in their present forms, and their regenerator into new and other forms.

We see, too, evident proofs of the necessity of a superintending power to maintain the Universe in its course and order. Stars, well known, have disappeared, new ones have come into view, comets, in their incalculable courses, may run foul of suns and planets and require renovation under other laws; certain races of animals are become extinct; and, were there no restoring power, all existences might extinguish successively, one by one, until all should be reduced to a shapeless chaos. So irresistible are these evidences of an intelligent and powerful Agent that, of the infinite numbers of men who have exited thro’ all the time, they have believed, in the proportion of a million at least to Unit, in the hypothesis of an eternal pre-existence of a creator, rather than in that of a self-existent Universe.

 HT Steven Waldman

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It occurs to me that several on this thread do not differentiate between front-loaded intelligent design and theistic evolution. According to ID, design is detectable because it can be PERCEIVED; according to TE, design not detectable because it cannot be perceived; it can only be CONCEIVED. Yes, I know that the distinction is unnatural and contrived, but we are just getting started. TE posits that we must first accept the Darwinian formulation of chance and then somehow plug God into that paradigm. That leaves open only one possibility: God somehow stacked the deck so that everything occurred by chance. We are to conclude, therefore, that God “designed” a non-design evolutionary universe, except that design is “inherent” in the evolutionary process. In other words, life is designed, except that it isn’t; the evolutionary process is directed, except that it isn’t; biological life has purpose; except that it doesn’t. In the final analysis, their Christianity is not RECONCILED WITH Darwinism, it is SUBORDINATED TO it. Don’t blame me for this; I am just reporting. Please God, spare me Ken Miller’s schizophrenia and I will endure Richard Dawkins’ atheism with gratitude. Now the reason I am putting my poor reader through this hell is not to satisfy some sadistic impulse on my part, but rather to dramatize the point that Jefferson would have had none of this foolishness. When he wrote, “We hold these truths to be SELF EVIDENT,” was referring to the fact that we “deserve” to be free because we were “designed” for it and nature was "designed" to accomodate it. The “natural moral law” is nothing less than a morality that has been designed objectively in the universe and subjectively in the human heart. Because Jefferson held that design can be “perceived,” not merely “conceived,” he was in the ID camp and out of the TE camp. The fact that Jefferson was not, as far as we know, a “born again” Christian, has absolutely nothing to do with the issue of teleology in nature. I am having a hard time accepting the sincerity of the two bloggers who think it has relevance.StephenB
March 12, 2008
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This is very good. Mr irreducible_complaicency should read scientist like Mr Jeffersson, not little red bookAhmed Aouin
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How can you say that he favors intelligent design, when he does not believe in the designer?
Read and address the facts, not your presuppositions. Note above that Jefferson stated:
So irresistible are these evidences of an intelligent and powerful Agent that, of the infinite numbers of men who have exited thro’ all the time, they have believed, in the proportion of a million at least to Unit, in the hypothesis of an eternal pre-existence of a creator,
DLH
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,,what we know to be true: revelation." I do not now Mr Jeferson but if you say revealation is better then rationel you make me think about chinese engineers who must study Mao red book to desine rockets. Do you want fundamentals in US schools, academys? In Türkey AKP partei is bringin creationismus, is very bad, not science. Doktor dembski writes ID is science, not fundamentalsm. Do you support, or are you AKP?Ahmed Aouin
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Slightly off topic: George Washington and Providence. http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/aprilweb-only/114-22.0.htmlPannenbergOmega
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"Jefferson believed in the existence of a Supreme Being who was the creator and sustainer of the universe and the ultimate ground of being, but this was not the triune deity of orthodox Christianity." http://www.monticello.org/reports/interests/religion.html I think Jefferson, was far, far, from being on the same page as Richard Dawkins.PannenbergOmega
March 12, 2008
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I'd hold out before I claimed that Jefferson was a supporter of ID. Rather, he is the same sort of positivist type that Dawkins et al are, standing on the nebulous ephemeral position that human reason can actually resolve such issues. I quote: The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors. How can you say that he favors intelligent design, when he does not believe in the designer? It seems to me that Jefferson is no one to be lauded, but should be excoriated for his blasphemy and calumny against what we know to be true: revelation. I don't get much comfort from those who claim that human knowledge is superior to those 'primitive doctrines', or that the Lord is just a 'reformer or human error'.irreducible_complacency
March 12, 2008
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Of course Judge Jones would rule you can't teach that. Judge Jones is a constitutional expert who fully understands the meaning of "separation of church and state". Why would he even consider what some guy named Jefferson wrote in the 18th and 19th centuries. Pshaw!! Only a postmodern thinker has the authority to address this issue!!! I mean, did Jefferson ever have to deal with "Bad Frog Beer" while running the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board?tribune7
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Stephen Gould kindly posted this Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams from Monticello, April 11, 1823]DLH
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I think that would be illegal to mention in biology class according to Judge Jones...scordova
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Jefferson is always called an agnostic or even atheist by various idiot history teacher’s that I have encountered.
Say what!? Any American with a modicum of education knows that Jefferson was a deist -- no ifs, ands, or buts. The "ultimate cause" Jefferson refers to is the First Cause of deism. To put it in considerably less elegant terms than he would ever have used, he held that design was front-loaded. Jefferson also believed that the Evangelists had made a mess of Jesus' pure moral teachings. He constructed a new book, The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, by excerpting from the Gospels the passages he considered authentic. He excluded miracles, the resurrection, and all indications of Jesus' divinity.Turner Coates
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Jefferson is always called an agnostic or even atheist by various idiot history teacher's that I have encountered. Da Vinci was right when he said "the greatest deception that men suffer is that of their own opinion." To call oneself a history teacher and yet ignore the clear cut thrust of letters like this one can only be facilitated by pure personal ideology. If the contextual description above of Intelligent Design does not give you the full thrust of the argument then you need to read it again because Jefferson lays it out brilliantly, especially for his time and era before the discoveries of molecular machines and IC that natural science now has to deal with. It is correct to conclude from the letter above that Jefferson was an adamant supporter and believer in ID. And let us not forget it. I might also add that Gouverneur Morris who wrote large portions of the US constitution once said "Religion is the solid basis of good morals; therefore education should teach the precepts of religion, and the duties of man toward God." While not directly about intelligent design, one can certianly infer that religious sentiment at least in this man's view was given much more respect in the days of revolution which thanks to Morris and other great thinkers brought about the freest nation in the world.Frost122585
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And I find it inspiring, that the one many are calling our modern-day Thomas Jefferson, also is a believer and supporter of ID. Congressman and MD, Ron Paul.Gods iPod
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