Why Evolutionists Say Evolution is a Fact

_{Cornelius Hunter

March 31, 2010

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Evolutionists say evolution is a fact, every bit as much as gravity is a fact. That is remarkable. We see and even feel gravity everyday. Evolution, on the other hand, entails rather dramatic, one-time, events that were supposed to have occurred long ago, when no one was around to witness them. How could we be sure of such a theory? There must be some extremely powerful and compelling scientific evidence for evolution to make it a fact as gravity is a fact. That is what one would think. But, surprisingly, there is no such evidence. When evolutionists try to explain why evolution is a fact, it is a tremendous anticlimax. Consider this example from evolutionist Massimo Pigliucci: Read more

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Dr. Hunter, This animated video has a pretty good view of Histone Proteins involved in DNA wrapping: DNA Wrapping (Histone Protein Wrapping to Cell Division)- video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbSIBhFwQ4sbornagain77_{March 31, 2010
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bornagain - It's aqeels not ageels! No harm done though. It's been good sharing some ideas with you.aqeels_{March 31, 2010
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jerry said - "So cheer up and salute the greatest proponent of ID in the world, namely Richard Dawkins." That is priceless. I am going to hang it up on the wall!aqeels_{March 31, 2010
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ageels you ask, "However, even periods of comparative suddenness may be millions of years. Why does sudden (unmistakable intent as you put it) take millions of years?" But did it take millions of years? “The Cambrian Explosion was so short that it is below the resolution of the fossil record. It could have happened overnight. So we don’t know the duration of the Cambrian Explosion. We just know that it was very, very, fast.” Jonathan Wells – Darwin’s Dilemma Quote Plus, If the grandness of the universe and duration of its longevity were significantly decreased, wouldn't that subtract from the Glory of God? I think far from being inconsistent with our transcendent Creator. I feel the awe that is rightly due to our eternal God is amply and justly reflected in what we see for the universe and its duration.bornagain77_{March 31, 2010
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Here we are playing this silly game again. Of course evolution is a fact just as gravity is a fact. But this is really a play on words and the issue is what is the mechanism for evolution as just what is the mechanism for gravity. We know that most micro evolution often can be attributed to sexual reproduction along with mutations and selective pressures and other genetic processes. No debate really here, just the extent of it as an explanation for even the small changes. But there is no evidence for any mechanism for macro evolution (the definition used most often here,) just as there is no evidence for any mechanism for gravity. Are gravitons exploding outwards and reflecting back? So the evolutionary biologists such as Pigliucci, Coyne and Dawkins support ID even as they denounce it. Why, because they can provide no evidence for their beliefs. And when people so committed do that they support the opposite of what they believe. So cheer up and salute the greatest proponent of ID in the world, namely Richard Dawkins..jerry_{March 31, 2010
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bornagain - Those are some interesting points to ponder. However, even periods of comparative suddenness may be millions of years. Why does sudden (unmistakable intent as you put it) take millions of years? Why does it take anything at all?. It almost suggests that the powers that would be are using some agency/mechanism to bring about sudden change that by its very definition mandates some time. ...just a thought.aqeels_{March 31, 2010
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ageels you state, My own feeling is that the intelligence behind the cosmos seems to do things very slowly (at least in our frame of reference). I liked your caveat "(at least in our frame of reference)" for it directly implicates the "timeless" frame of reference revealed by special relativity: "I've just developed a new theory of eternity." Albert Einstein http://www.rd.com/your-america-inspiring-people-and-stories/best-brainac/article37176-2.html "The laws of relativity have changed timeless existence from a theological claim to a physical reality. Light, you see, is outside of time, a fact of nature proven in thousands of experiments at hundreds of universities. I don’t pretend to know how tomorrow can exist simultaneously with today and yesterday. But at the speed of light they actually and rigorously do. Time does not pass." – Richard Swenson Light and Quantum Entanglement Reflect Some Characteristics Of God - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4102182 Thus the Theistic postulation that God is outside of time finds remarkable corroboration within modern science. And yet, as you pointed out ageels, from our frame of reference it seems long periods of time elapse. Yet what do we see as far as suddenness during those long periods of time: The universe appeared very suddenly, seemingly out of nowhere: Then a long period of time of nucleosynthesis and planet formation and then Bam: Life appeared on the earth suddenly: Scientific Evidence For The Sudden Appearance Of Photosynthetic Life On Earth - video http://science.discovery.com/videos/the-planets-life-earliest-evidence.html then the slow gradual transforming of the earth by those bacteria types and tectonic activity, from a toxic place to a place capable of supporting advanced life, took a few billion years. And yet once the earth was transformed from a toxic wasteland to one capable of supporting advanced life we find bam: The Cambrian Explosion: “The Cambrian explosion is named for the geologically sudden appearance of numerous metazoan body plans (many of living phyla) between about 530 and 520 million years ago, only 1.7% of the duration of the fossil record of animals.”2 Another article in a major evolution journal states that “recent geological investigations suggest that the Cambrian explosion may have occurred with a period of only 5-10 million years.”3 http://www.discovery.org/a/9961 "The Cambrian Explosion was so short that it is below the resolution of the fossil record. It could have happened overnight. So we don't know the duration of the Cambrian Explosion. We just know that it was very, very, fast." Jonathan Wells - Darwin's Dilemma Quote but was the Cambrian the only "explosion" we find in the fossil record? Punctuated Equilibrium and Patterns from the Fossil Record "The Cambrian Explosion is by no means the only "explosion" in the fossil record. One evolutionist concedes that for the origin of fishes, "this is one count in the creationists' charge that can only evoke in unison from paleontologists a plea of nolo contendere [no contest]."31 Plant biologists have called the origin of plants an "explosion," saying, "[t]he … radiation of land [plant] biotas is the terrestrial equivalent of the much-debated Cambrian 'explosion' of marine faunas."32 Vertebrate paleontologists believe there was a mammal explosion because of the few transitional forms between major mammal groups: "There are all sorts of gaps: absence of gradationally intermediate 'transitional' forms between species, but also between larger groups -- between, say, families of carnivores, or the orders of mammals."33 Another study, "Evolutionary Explosions and the Phylogenetic Fuse," found a bird (as well as a mammal) "Early Tertiary 'explosion'" because many bird and mammal groups appear in a short time period lacking immediately recognizable ancestral forms.34 Finally, others have called the origin of our own genus Homo, "a genetic revolution"35 where "no australopithecine [ape] species is obviously transitional"35 leading one commentator to call it, like others called the Cambrian Explosion, a "big bang theory" of human evolution.36 http://www.ideacenter.org/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/1232 Thus as you pointed out ageels, the timing appears to be slow but when God does move He appears to move with unmistakable intent, purpose, and yes, even from our perspective, Suddenness. Or as I have heard said before: "God may be slow but He is NEVER late"bornagain77_{March 31, 2010
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Cornelius, It's called prior commitment to a specific world view. They (the evolutionists) are full of it. What is your opinion on the subject of how things came to be as they are? I mean do you favour the notion of a natural process that is directed or do you side with special creation? My own feeling is that the intelligence behind the cosmos seems to do things very slowly (at least in our frame of reference) and in a way that we can understand (through natural mechanisms).aqeels_{March 31, 2010
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