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The vast majority of people who live in Louisiana hold beliefs about the human mind and about free will which are broadly compatible with those of Darwin’s contemporary, Alfred Russel Wallace (pictured right), but diametrically opposed to those of Charles Darwin (pictured left). However, the National Center for Science Education wants Darwin’s materialistic version of evolution, which denies free will, to be taught in American high schools.
Left: A photo of Charles Darwin taken circa 1854. Center: St. Louis Cathedral, New Orleans. Right: A photo of Alfred Russel Wallace in 1862. Images courtesy of Messrs. Maull and Fox, Nowhereman86, James Marchant and Wikipedia.

(Part three of a series of posts in response to Zack Kopplin. See here for Part one and here for Part two.)

This series of posts is dedicated to the people of Louisiana, most of whom support the 2008 Louisiana Science Education Act (LSEA), which allows teachers to encourage the open and objective discussion of scientific theories, including evolution and origin-of-life theories, in high school science classrooms. The Louisiana Senate Bill 374, which was filed by Senator Karen Peterson, would take away this freedom, and require high school students to be taught the Darwinian theory of evolution which is presented in officially approved science textbooks – and no other theory.

Many people who would describe themselves as “theistic evolutionists” see Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution as compatible with their theological beliefs. Science, they would say, describes how things happen, while religion explains why they happen. Science is about the physical world, while religion is about the underlying spiritual dimension of reality, which science does not attempt to explain. Consequently, they reason, Darwin’s theory of evolution has nothing to say about the religious belief that each of us has an immortal, spiritual soul created by God, or that each of us has free will. If people want to believe these things, they can, while still remaining good Darwinists. Many Catholics, in particular, rationalize their support of Darwinian evolution in this way. About 25% of Louisiana’s population are Catholics, so I hope some of them are reading this.

The aim of this post will be to demonstrate that belief in Darwinian evolution is totally incompatible with belief in an immaterial human soul and belief in free will, in the ordinary sense of the term. I shall attempt to demonstrate that Darwinian evolution is essentially a materialistic, deterministic theory. The reason why I maintain that the Darwinian theory of evolution is essentially materialistic and deterministic has to do with what counts as a proper scientific explanation, for Darwinists.

Before I do that, however, I’d like to compare the beliefs of the people of Louisiana with those of Charles Darwin, regarding the human soul and free will. The reason why I’m doing this is a very simple one: for those readers who live in the United States, it’s your money which is funding the high schools in your state. Why should taxes paid by decent, hard-working Louisianans, or people in any other American state for that matter, be spent on the indoctrination of their children in a worldview which is diametrically opposed to the beliefs of ordinary Americans on matters of morality, not to mention religion? Common sense would suggest that’s just not right. I shall attempt to demonstrate in this post that materialism and the denial of free will – notions that most Americans would vehemently reject – are part-and-parcel of the Darwinian theory of evolution. The implications of this debate on Darwinism should be obvious enough. Anyone who thinks that students’ moral behavior will remain unaffected after they are convinced that they don’t have free will clearly has rocks in his head.


What do the people of Louisiana believe about the human soul and about free will?


Baton Rouge skyline. Courtesy of UrbanPlanetBR and Wikipedia.

Citing the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, Wikipedia lists the current religious affiliations of the people of Louisiana as follows:

Christian: 90%

Protestant: 60%

Evangelical Protestant 31%
Historically black Protestant: 20%
Mainline Protestant 9%

Roman Catholic: 28%
Other Christian: 2%
Jehovah’s Witnesses: 1%

Other Religions: 2%

Islam: 1%
Buddhism: 1%
Judaism: less than 0.5%

Non-religious (unaffiliated): 8%

Looking at these figures, we can see that the vast majority of Louisianans hold beliefs about the human soul and about free will which are totally at variance with the teachings of Darwinian evolution. A solid majority of people in the state of Louisiana would accept the following three propositions:

1. Each human being has an immaterial and immortal soul, created by God.

2. Our higher mental acts – in particular, our thoughts and our free decisions – cannot be identified with movements of neurons in the brain. Rather, they are immaterial, spiritual actions.

3. Each human being has libertarian free will: that is,
(i) our choices are not determined by circumstances beyond our control, such as our heredity or environment; and
(ii) whenever we make a choice, we could have chosen otherwise.

The vast majority of Christians, as well as many Jews and Muslims, would subscribe to propositions 1 and 2. Jews, Buddhists and nearly all Christians would subscribe to proposition 3, as well as many people who would not describe themselves as religious. Darwinian evolution denies all three propositions.

But before I go on, I’d like to briefly focus on the beliefs of the Catholic Church, which is Louisiana’s largest religious community.


The teaching of the Catholic Church concerning the human soul

Curiously, there are some highly educated people who call themselves Catholics, and who are under the mistaken impression that belief in an immortal, immaterial soul is an “optional extra” which Catholics are no longer required to accept, and which the Church will quietly drop in another 50 years or so. Nothing could be further from the truth.

It is an article of faith among Catholics that each and every human soul is immaterial, that it is created immediately by God, and that it survives bodily death. As the Catechism of the Catholic Church puts it in paragraph 366:

366 The Church teaches that every spiritual soul is created immediately by God – it is not “produced” by the parents – and also that it is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection.(235)

The footnote (#235) gives the following citation:

235 Cf. Pius XII, Humani Generis: DS 3896; Paul VI, CPG 8; Lateran Council V (1513): DS 1440.

The first reference is to Pope Pius XII’s 1950 encyclical Humani Generis, which states in paragraph 36 that “the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God.”

The second reference is to Pope Paul VI’s Credo of the People of God (issued on June 30, 1968), which contains the following statement:

We believe in one only God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, creator of things visible such as this world in which our transient life passes, of things invisible such as the pure spirits which are also called angels, and creator in each man of his spiritual and immortal soul.

The third reference is to a proclamation made by Pope Leo X on 19 December 1513, at the eighth session of the ecumenical Fifth Lateran council, and ratified by that council, declaring that each human being has a unique, immaterial soul:

… [W]e condemn and reject all those who insist that the intellectual soul is mortal, or that it is only one among all human beings, and those who suggest doubts on this topic.

Well, I hope that puts to rest the canard that belief in a spiritual soul, created by God, is no longer Catholic doctrine.

Catholics make up one-quarter of Louisiana’s population. One would therefore expect them to be appalled at the very suggestion that their children should be taught a scientific theory which is avowedly materialistic and deterministic, while they are attending high school. (In case readers are wondering, the percentage of Catholic children attending parochial schools in the United States is minuscule: according to Wikipedia, only 15 percent of Catholic children in America attended Catholic elementary schools, in 2009, and among Latinos, the fastest-growing group in the Catholic Church — soon to comprise a majority of Catholics in the United States — the proportion is just 3 percent.)

I therefore find it odd that there has been a deafening silence from the Catholic Church on the question of whether high school students should be exposed to alternatives to Darwinian evolution in science classes, such as Alfred Russel Wallace’s theory, which acknowledges the reality of a spiritual realm while accepting the common descent of living organisms. I therefore hope that this post will serve as a little wake-up call to the Church hierarchy. And for those clergymen who are worried about another Galileo case, I would reply that: (a) unlike Darwin, Galileo was firmly convinced of the reality of the human soul (as I’ll show in my sixth post), and (b) a biological theory which is essentially materialistic and deterministic, and which is taught to high school science students as an established fact, will destroy the faith of the next generation of Catholics far more effectively than any public tussle between science and religion.


Why a Darwinian evolutionist cannot consistently believe in the human soul or in free will

There are two reasons why a Darwinian evolutionist is committed to a materialistic account of the human mind.

First, if you want to call yourself a believer in neo-Darwinian evolution, then you have to believe that it is an all-encompassing theory of living things, just as the atomic theory is an all-encompassing theory of chemistry. You have to believe that the theory of evolution is capable of explaining all of the characteristics of each species of organism. The theory of evolution stands or falls on its claim to be a complete biological theory. As Theodosius Dobzhansky memorably put it in a 1973 essay in The American Biology Teacher (volume 35, pages 125-129): “Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.” Consequently, if you believe that there are organisms on this planet, such as human beings, that possess characteristics which evolution is unable to account for, then you cannot call yourself an evolutionist, and you certainly cannot call yourself a bona fide Darwinist.

Human beings are animals. One feature which human beings possess is consciousness. If you believe that consciousness cannot be explained in materialistic terms, then you cannot call yourself a consistent Darwinian evolutionist.

The second reason has to do with the nature of a scientific explanation. As we’ll see, Darwin and his followers held that the only proper kind of scientific explanation is one that brings a class of phenomena under the scope of a universal law, which is fixed and deterministic. Any other kind of explanation is inadequate, because it fails to generate useful predictions. Darwin and his fellow evolutionists looked forward to the day when everything in Nature would be explained in the same way that scientists explain the orbits of the planets: in terms of fixed, deterministic laws.

In this post, I’m going to examine in detail what Charles Darwin wrote, in his scientific works and his private notebooks, about the evolution of the human mind. What I shall endeavor to show is the following:

(a) For Darwin, a good scientific explanation is one which appeals to physical laws, which are conceived of as fixed and deterministic;

(b) Darwin maintained that our thoughts could be explained in terms of law-governed physical processes;

(c) Darwin explicitly rejected the view that there was anything special about human intellectual capacities;

(d) Darwin viewed the difference between humans and other animals as being one of degree rather than kind;

(e) Darwin held that natural selection was fully capable of explaining the origin of human mental faculties, and actively opposed Wallace’s view that only the guidance of a Higher Intelligence could account for the origin of man; and

(f) Darwin was a determinist who maintained that human choices were also the outcome of blind natural forces, and that none of us was responsible for our actions.

N. B. In the quotations below, all bold emphases are mine, while those in italics are the author’s.


(a) For Darwin, a good scientific explanation is one which appeals to deterministic physical laws


The bodies in our solar system move according to fixed, deterministic laws. Darwin and his champion, Thomas Henry Huxley both maintained that any genuine scientific explanation should explain phenomena according to such laws. Without fixed and deterministic laws, a scientific theory is useless for making predictions. Image courtesy of NASA and Wikipedia.

In order to better grasp why Darwinism could never tolerate making a special exception for human beings, we need to understand what Darwin believed a genuine scientific explanation should be able to accomplish.

Darwin set out the conditions that he believed a good scientific explanation must satisfy in a short essay which he jotted down while he was reading selected passages from Dr. John MacCullough’s book, Proofs and Illustrations of the Attributes of God (London, James Duncan, Paternoster Row, 1837). For those who are interested, here’s the reference: Darwin, C. R. ‘Macculloch. Attrib of Deity’ [Essay on Theology and Natural Selection] (1838). CUL-DAR71.53-59. Viewers can read it here at Darwin Online.)

Darwin’s essay contains a telling passage in section 5, which succinctly summarizes why Darwin believed that the only good explanation is one which appeals to physical laws, and why he believed appeals to “the will of God” explained nothing:

N.B. The explanation of types of structure in classes — as resulting from the will of the deity, to create animals on certain plans, — is no explanation — it has not the character of a physical law /& is therefore utterly useless.— it foretells nothing/ because we know nothing of the will of the Deity, how it acts & whether constant or inconstant like that of man.— the cause given we know not the effect.

We can see from this passage that Darwin was looking for a theory of origins which explained everything in terms of physical laws, which enable scientists to predict effects from causes, in a deterministic fashion. Supernatural explanations were rejected by Darwin, precisely because they cannot yield such predictions – “the cause given we know not the effect.” Other scientists in Darwin’s time were coming around to the same view, as historian of science Ronald Numbers narrates in his essay, “Science without God: Natural Laws and Christian Beliefs” (in When Science and Christianity Meet, ed. by David C. Lindberg and Ronald L. Numbers, Chicago: University Of Chicago Press, 2003):

Within a couple of decades many other students of natural history (or naturalists, as they were commonly called) had reached the same conclusion. The British zoologist Thomas H. Huxley, one of the most outspoken critics of the supernatural origin of species, came to see references to special creation as representing little more than a “specious mask for our ignorance.” (Numbers, 2003, p. 279.)

Thomas Henry Huxley was the ablest and most forthright exponent of Darwin’s views, earning him the nickname, “Darwin’s bulldog.” Huxley’s remark on special creation, which is cited by Ronald Numbers in his essay, is taken from from an article entitled, Darwin on the Origin of Species, which published in The Westminster Review in April 1860. It is worth quoting the above-cited remark by Huxley in its proper context, because it perfectly illustrates Darwinian thinking on the nature of scientific explanations:

A phenomenon is explained when it is shown to be a case of some general law of Nature; but the supernatural interposition of the Creator can, by the nature of the case, exemplify no law, and if species have really arisen in this way, it is absurd to attempt to discuss their origin.

Or lastly, let us ask ourselves whether any amount of evidence which the nature of our faculties permits us to attain, can justify us in asserting that any phenomenon is out of the reach of natural causation. To this end it is obviously necessary that we should know all the consequences to which all possible combinations, continued through unlimited time, can give rise. If we knew these, and found none competent to originate species, we should have good grounds for denying their origin by natural selection. Till we know them, any hypothesis is better than one which involves us in such miserable presumption.

But the hypothesis of special creation is not only a specious mask for our ignorance; its existence in Biology marks the youth and imperfection of the science. For what is the history of every science, but the history of the elimination of the notion of creative, or other interferences, with the natural order of the phenomena which are the subject matter of that science? When Astronomy was young “the morning stars sang together for joy,” and the planets were guided in their courses by celestial hands. Now, the harmony of the stars has resolved itself into gravitation according to the inverse squares of the distances, and the orbits of the planets are deducible from the laws of the forces which allow a schoolboy’s stone to break a window.
(Huxley, T.H. 1860. Darwin on the origin of Species. Westminster Review 17 (n.s.): 541-70. The above excerpt, which is available at Darwin Online is taken from page 559. This essay is also available online in Lay Sermons, Addresses and Reviews by Thomas Henry Huxley. Elibron Classics, 2005, Adamant Media Corporation. Facsimile of the edition published by Macmillan & Co., London, 1906. Chapter XII, pp. 245-246.)
(Bold emphases mine – VJT. Note: In the passage above, I’ve modernized the spelling of “phaenomenon” to “phenomenon.”)

Finally, it is important for the modern reader to understand that for Darwin and his contemporaries, any explanation of a phenomenon in terms of physical laws had to be a deterministic explanation. As Darwin wrote in his autobiography:

Everything in nature is the result of fixed laws.
(Barlow, Nora ed. 1958. The autobiography of Charles Darwin 1809-1882. With the original omissions restored. Edited and with appendix and notes by his grand-daughter Nora Barlow. London: Collins. Page 87. Available online here at Darwin Online.)

Or as Darwin’s bulldog, Thomas Henry Huxley, memorably put it:

If there is anything in the world which I do firmly believe in, it is the universal validity of the law of causation.
(‘Science and Morals’ (1886). In Collected Essays (1994), Vol. 9, 121.)

Let us recapitulate here. For Darwin and Huxley, the only proper way of explaining a phenomenon scientifically is to bring it under the scope of some general natural law, which permits scientists to predict the phenomenon in a deterministic fashion. Supernatural explanations explain nothing, according to Darwin, because they do not enable scientists to predict anything.


(b) Darwin believed our thoughts could be explained in terms of law-governed physical processes

Charles Darwin shared the belief of the French physiologist Pierre Cabanis (1757-1808) that the human brain secretes thought just as the liver secretes bile. Left: Drawing of the human brain, showing several of the most important brain structures. Right: A sheep’s liver. Images courtesy of National Institute for Aging and Wikipedia.

Darwin’s Notebooks, which trace the development of his thought over time, were not published during his lifetime. Fortunately, they are now available online, after having been originally transcribed by Paul Barrett in 1974. What they reveal is that as far back as 1838, over twenty years before he published his Origin of Species in 1859, Darwin was an avowed materialist, who insisted that natural selection had to be able to account for human consciousness.

In his Notebook C: Transmutation of species (2-7.1838), Darwin espoused a mechanistic account of the human mind:

Why is thought, being a secretion of brain, more wonderful than gravity a property of matter? – It is our arrogance, it our admiration of ourselves. (Paragraph 166)

Darwin’s assertion that thought is “a secretion of brain” echoes a famous remark by the French physiologist Pierre Jean Georges Cabanis (1757-1808), who wrote in his Rapports du physique et du moral de l’homme (1802) that “to have an accurate idea of the operations from which thought results, it is necessary to consider the brain as a special organ designed especially to produce it, as the stomach and the intestines are designed to operate the digestion, (and) the liver to filter bile…” (English translation, On the Relation Between the Physical and Moral Aspects of Man by Pierre-Jean-George Cabanis, edited by George Mora, translated by Margaret Duggan Saidi from the second edition, reviewed, corrected and enlarged by the author, 1805. The Johns Hopkins University Press, Baltimore and London, 1981, p. 116). This remark is usually cited as the pithy maxim: “The brain secretes thought as the liver secretes bile.

In the same paragraph in Notebook C: Transmutation of species (2-7.1838), Darwin playfully scolds himself for being a materialist. He must have appreciated the humor of the situation, given that he had previously studied to be an Anglican clergyman! The mis-spellings and grammar and punctuation errors are Darwin’s:

Thought (or desires more properly) being heredetary.- it is difficult to imagine it anything but structure of brain heredetary,. – analogy points out to this.- love of the deity effect of organization. oh you Materialist! – Read Barclay on organization!! (Paragraph 166)

In his Notebook M [Metaphysics on morals and speculations on expression (1838) CUL-DAR125], which was marked “Private”, Darwin was more forthright about his materialism:

It is an argument for materialism, that cold water brings on suddenly in head, a frame of mind, analogous to those feelings, which may be considered as truly spritual. (Paragraph 20)

Not wishing to scandalize his friends, however, Darwin decided to keep quiet about his materialist views when discoursing in public. He therefore resolved:

To avoid stating how far, I believe, in Materialism, say only that emotions, instincts degrees of talent, which are heredetary are so because brain of child resembles parent stock. (Paragraph 57)

Keeping quiet about his materialism was undoubtedly a very wise decision on Darwin’s part. In 1748, the French physician, Julien Offray de La Mettrie had asserted that man was merely a machine (La Mettrie J. Leyden: Luzac; 1748. L’Homme Machine) – a claim that got him into so much trouble that he was compelled to flee abroad for his safety. In 1816, the English physician Sir William Lawrence had candidly declared his conviction that “physiologically speaking… the mind is the grand prerogative of the brain” (Lawrence W. London: Callow; 1816, An introduction to comparative anatomy and physiology), but his writings provoked an uproar, and he was pressured to recant his materialist views. After he did so, he later became President of the Royal College of Surgeons of London and Serjeant Surgeon to the Queen.


(c) Darwin explicitly rejected the view that there was anything special about human intellectual capacities

In defiance of the common view that human beings were unique, Darwin argued that there was nothing particularly special about man’s intellectual capacities. In his Notebook B: Transmutation of species (1837-1838), he downplayed human uniqueness in this regard:

People often talk of the wonderful event of intellectual Man appearing – the appearance of insects with other senses is more wonderful… (Paragraph 207)

It is absurd to talk of one animal as being higher than another.We consider those, where the cerebral structure {intellectual faculties} most developed, as highest. – A bee doubtless would when the instincts were. (Paragraph 74)

Darwin wrote those words in 1838. Even at that time, he did not regard human intellectual capacities as lying outside the province of the laws of Nature.


(d) Darwin viewed the difference between humans and other animals as one of degree rather than kind


An ant carrying an aphid. According to Darwin, the difference in mental abilities between an ant and an aphid is much greater than the intellectual difference between a man and an ape. Image courtesy of Wikipedia.

Darwin’s work, The Origin of Species, was published in 1859, but Darwin’s only allusion to human evolution in this volume was his cryptic statement in the last chapter that in the distant future, “light will be thrown on the origin of man and his history.” It was not until 1871 that Darwin explicitly addressed the subject of human origins in his long-awaited work, The Descent of Man. In this book, Darwin argued that the difference between man and other animals was one of degree rather than kind, and that the transition from ape-like creatures to man had occurred gradually and not suddenly:

In the following passage, Darwin supports his claim that the mental faculties of humans and other animals differ only in degree by arguing that the difference in mental faculties between the higher and lower insects exceeds the mental difference between man and other mammals:

Some naturalists, from being deeply impressed with the mental and spiritual powers of man, have divided the whole organic world into three kingdoms, the Human, the Animal, and the Vegetable, thus giving to man a separate kingdom. (1. Isidore Geoffroy St.-Hilaire gives a detailed account of the position assigned to man by various naturalists in their classifications: ‘Hist. Nat. Gen.’ tom. ii. 1859, pp. 170-189.) Spiritual powers cannot be compared or classed by the naturalist: but he may endeavour to shew, as I have done, that the mental faculties of man and the lower animals do not differ in kind, although immensely in degree. A difference in degree, however great, does not justify us in placing man in a distinct kingdom, as will perhaps be best illustrated by comparing the mental powers of two insects, namely, a coccus or scale-insect and an ant, which undoubtedly belong to the same class. The difference is here greater than, though of a somewhat different kind from, that between man and the highest mammal. The female coccus, whilst young, attaches itself by its proboscis to a plant; sucks the sap, but never moves again; is fertilised and lays eggs; and this is its whole history. On the other hand, to describe the habits and mental powers of worker-ants, would require, as Pierre Huber has shewn, a large volume; I may, however, briefly specify a few points. Ants certainly communicate information to each other, and several unite for the same work, or for games of play. They recognise their fellow-ants after months of absence, and feel sympathy for each other. They build great edifices, keep them clean, close the doors in the evening, and post sentries. They make roads as well as tunnels under rivers, and temporary bridges over them, by clinging together. They collect food for the community, and when an object, too large for entrance, is brought to the nest, they enlarge the door, and afterwards build it up again. They store up seeds, of which they prevent the germination, and which, if damp, are brought up to the surface to dry. They keep aphides and other insects as milch-cows. They go out to battle in regular bands, and freely sacrifice their lives for the common weal. They emigrate according to a preconcerted plan. They capture slaves. They move the eggs of their aphides, as well as their own eggs and cocoons, into warm parts of the nest, in order that they may be quickly hatched; and endless similar facts could be given. (Chapter VI. On the Affinities and Genealogy of Man.)

Darwin was also quite explicit that the intellectual transition from ape-like creatures to man was an imperceptible one, and that the human mind had evolved gradually:

Whether primeval man, when he possessed but few arts, and those of the rudest kind, and when his power of language was extremely imperfect, would have deserved to be called man, must depend on the definition which we employ. In a series of forms graduating insensibly from some ape-like creature to man as he now exists, it would be impossible to fix on any definite point where the term “man” ought to be used. (Chapter VII, On the Races of Man.)


(e) Darwin held that natural selection was fully capable of explaining the origin of human mental faculties, and actively opposed Wallace’s view that only the guidance of a Higher Intelligence could account for the origin of man


Human and chimpanzee skull and brain. Illustrations by Dr. Paul Gervais, 1854, in Histoire naturelle des mammiferes, avec l’indication de leurs moeurs, et de leurs rapports avec les arts, le commerce et l’agriculture. Image courtesy of Vlastni fotografie and Wikipedia.

In his 1871 work The Descent of Man, Darwin argued that because human intelligence conferred a survival advantage on its possessors, the gradual improvement of intelligence in our ape-like ancestors could easily be explained by his theory of evolution by natural selection:

The case, however, is widely different, as Mr. Wallace has with justice insisted, in relation to the intellectual and moral faculties of man. These faculties are variable; and we have every reason to believe that the variations tend to be inherited. Therefore, if they were formerly of high importance to primeval man and to his ape-like progenitors, they would have been perfected or advanced through natural selection. Of the high importance of the intellectual faculties there can be no doubt, for man mainly owes to them his predominant position in the world. We can see, that in the rudest state of society, the individuals who were the most sagacious, who invented and used the best weapons or traps, and who were best able to defend themselves, would rear the greatest number of offspring. The tribes, which included the largest number of men thus endowed, would increase in number and supplant other tribes. (Chapter V. On the Development of the Intellectual and Moral Faculties during Primeval and Civilised Times.)

For those readers who may be wondering, the “Mr. Wallace” referred to in the passage above was none other than the great naturalist, Alfred Russel Wallace. Part of the reason why Darwin wrote The Descent of Man in 1871 was to rebut the view, put forward by Wallace in an essay in in the Quarterly Review of April 1869, that the special intervention of a Higher Intelligence was necessary in order to account for the evolution of human beings from ape-like ancestors. According to Wallace, this Higher Intelligence had carefully directed our evolution from ape-like creatures in a manner similar to the way in which human beings breed organisms for their own special purposes, such as seedless bananas, and milch cows that produce extra milk. For Darwin, Wallace’s championing of this view felt like a personal betrayal. Darwin and Wallace had closely collaborated in developing the theory of evolution by natural selection, and at that time, Wallace had given no indications that he harbored any reservations about the theory’s ability to account for human evolution. Indeed, Wallace had even highlighted the role played by natural selection in the evolution of man in an 1864 essay entitled, The Origin of Human Races and the Antiquity of Man Deduced From the Theory of “Natural Selection”, published in the Journal of the Anthropological Society of London (Vol. 2, 1864, pp. clviii-clxxxvii), which was highly praised by Darwin.

Darwin was therefore deeply pained in 1869, when he heard that Wallace intended to publish an essay in the Quarterly Review (April 1869, pp. 359-394), arguing that the appearance of human mental faculties could not be explained in terms of blind, mechanical processes, but required the intervention of a Higher Intelligence. While he was awaiting the publication of the essay in the Quarterly Review, Darwin wrote to Wallace:

As you expected, I differ grievously from you, and I am very sorry for it. I can see no necessity for calling in an additional and proximate cause in regard to man. (Letter of Charles Darwin to A. R. Wallace, Down, April 14, 1869.)

When he finally read Wallace’s essay, which argued that natural selection, left to itself, would only have given human beings a brain “a little superior to that of an ape,” Darwin was so appalled that he scribbled “NO!!!!” in the margin and even underlined the word “NO” three times. Darwin later expressed his disappointment over Wallace’s views on the origin of man in a personal letter, and chided him for back-sliding from his earlier enthusiastic support of natural selection as the explanation of human mental capacities: “But I groan over Man – you write like a metamorphosed (in retrograde direction) naturalist. And you, the author of the best paper that ever appeared in the Anthropological Review! Eheu! Eheu! Eheu! — Your miserable friend, C. Darwin.” (Letter of Charles Darwin to A. R. Wallace, Down, January 26, 1870. In The correspondence of Charles Darwin, volume 18: 1870. Edited by Frederick Burkhardt, James A. Secord, Sheila Ann Dean, Samantha Evans, Shelley Innes, Alison M. Pearn, Paul White. Cambridge University Press 2010. See page 17.)

The striking differences between Wallace’s and Darwin’s views on the origin of human mental faculties led to an intellectual rift between them that was never healed. Although the two scientists remained on friendly terms, Wallace was no longer part of Darwin’s “inner circle.”


(f) Darwin was a determinist who maintained that human choices were also the outcome of blind natural forces


An American judge talking to a lawyer. According to Charles Darwin, none of us is responsible for our actions. Criminals should be punished solely in order to deter others from committing crimes, but they are not to blame for what they do. Image courtesy of maveric2003 and Wikipedia.

As we have seen, Darwin made no secret of the fact that he believed natural selection could account for our distinctively human traits. We have also seen that for Darwin and his evolutionist contemporaries, any good scientific explanation of a phenomenon (such as human consciousness) had to be a deterministic one, which brought the phenomenon under the scope of some universal scientific law.

From the foregoing premises, the reader might deduce that Darwin did not believe in libertarian free will, or the view that our choices are free from determination, and that whenever we make a choice, we could have chosen otherwise. During his lifetime, however, Darwin was extremely guarded on the subject of human free will, not wishing to alarm the masses with his views on the subject. For this reason, he said little about free will in his published writings. However, his private notebooks reveal that as far back as 1837, Darwin was a thorough-going determinist.

On the 15th of July, 1838, Charles Darwin began a private notebook which he labeled as “M”, in which he intended to write down his correspondence, discoveries, musings, and speculations on “Metaphysics on Morals and Speculations on Expression”. To this day, the contents of the notebook are little known, among the general public.
On page 27 of that notebook, he expressed his skepticism regarding free will, and suggested that all of our actions (and, by extension, our thoughts and intentions) are the result of our “hereditary constitution” and “the example…or teaching of others”:

The common remark that fat men are goodnatured, & vice versa Walter Scotts remark how odious an illtempered fat man looks, shows same connection between organization & mind.—thinking over these things, one doubts existence of free will every action determined by hereditary constitution, example of others or teaching of others.— (NB man much more affected by other fellow-animals, than any other animal & probably the only one affected by various knowledge which is not heredetary & instinctive) & the others are learnt, what they teach by the same means & therefore properly no free will.
(See Darwin’s Notebook M, pp. 26-27. [Metaphysics on morals and speculations on expression (1838)]. CUL-DAR125.- Transcribed by Kees Rookmaaker. (Darwin Online, http://darwin-online.org.uk/))

Darwin was a consistent determinist. In his other metaphysical writings from that period (c. 1837), Darwin made it clear that he did not really regard human beings as morally responsible for their good or bad choices. He also held that criminals should be punished solely in order to deter others who might break the law:

(a) one well feels how many actions are not determined by what is called free will, but by strong invariable passions — when these passions weak, opposed & complicated one calls them free will — the chance of mechanical phenomena.— (mem: M. Le Comte one of philosophy, & savage calling laws of nature chance)…

The general delusion about free will obvious.— because man has power of action, & he can seldom analyse his motives (originally mostly INSTINCTIVE, & therefore now great effort of reason to discover them: this is important explanation) he thinks they have none.

Effects.— One must view a wrecked man like a sickly one — We cannot help loathing a diseased offensive object, so we view wickedness.— it would however be more proper to pity them [than] to hate & be disgusted with them. Yet it is right to punish criminals; but solely to deter others.— It is not more strange that there should be necessary wickedness than disease.

This view should teach one profound humility, one deserves no credit for anything. (yet one takes it for beauty & good temper), nor ought one to blame others.

(See Darwin’s Old and USELESS Notes about the moral sense & some metaphysical points written about the year 1837 & earlier, pp. 25-27. For original transcription, see Paul Barrett, et. al., Charles Darwin’s Notebooks, 1836-1844, New York: Cornell University Press, 1987, p. 608.)

Summary of Darwin’s views

We have seen that Darwin believed that his natural selection could explain the emergence of man from ape-like ancestors by a gradual process, and that natural selection could account for the entire gamut of man’s mental faculties. However, natural selection is a physical process, which operates in a deterministic manner. Thus there is no room in Darwin’s view of evolution for an immaterial soul, or for a mysterious human capacity to make undetermined choices.

To sum up: if you accept Darwinian evolution, you have to be a materialist and a determinist. In my fourth post, I’m going to produce my list of twenty-one Nobel Laureate scientists who rejected these beliefs.

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Yeah, Romans 11 is a personal favorite, in part for its discussion of Israel. I've heard the whole of Romans endearingly referred to as, "the gospel according to Paul," (and Isaiah 53 called "the gospel according to Isaiah.") It's a book that I didn't really get until I understood the history presented in the OT. And those italics were just for you, man. Really looking forward to that face to face (I think). I'll have my secretary call His secretary and set something up. xp Seriously though, this dead world can take its toll. I'm ready to see a few world news headlines: "Child exploitation and hunger eliminated, never to be seen again" and "Rape down %100 for the next infinity years" and "New survey shows that sorrow, neglect, and loneliness have disappeared completely, with even the memory of them faded away." There are a few more I'd like to see. Of course, that will require a very new, new media. "See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure." 1 John 3:1-3material.infantacy
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Or you are saying that the will and the personality are equivalent? This would also mean you don't really believe in free will.tragic mishap
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I wish you would be more pedantic Mr. Garvey. I'm having trouble ascertaining your meaning.
You can’t ever separate will from personality, and if my personality has boundaries or defects, so has my will. My choices are limited by me, before any other power kicks in.
What you are saying here is that your personality is superior to your will. The will must stay within the limits of the personality. My question is what are those limits? If they are too strict, then you will find you have eliminated free will entirely. But you also say:
In the garden, it seems to me the tree of knowledge was forbidden because A&E had not learned to conform their wills to the Lord’s, as did Jesus. They broke the only command, gained the knowledge, and started choosing all kinds of non-God things that actually enslaved them and their successors to sin (as well as condemning them to death).
That means that our wills have the power to choose between sinfulness and righteousness. If so, then our personalities do not distinguish between sinfulness and righteousness, it is our wills which do that, correct? Or is this something that you meant to apply only to Adam and Eve?tragic mishap
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MI Post 43 summarises my theology very nicely! And in italics, too! Especially the bit about an eternal, omniscient and omnipotent God and temporal people like us. One can dimly glimmer around the edges of how it might work, but without seeing him face to face ... woops, that's promised too. I like Paul's summary in Romans 11.22-36, after 3 chapters or so of setting out the paradoxes we've discussed.Jon Garvey
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!!! *** BROKEN ITALICS HERE *** !!! Please fix! My eyes! MY EYES!!! In post 30, replace this:
"what he <i>would<i/> become"
with this:
"what he <i>would</i> become"
Thanks!material.infantacy
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No worries, Jon. I figured something like that must be the case. However I'm terribly disappointed that I didn't find much to take issue with in your #38. =D
God’s ways are higher than our ways, except when we don’t like them, in which case our reasoning will set him straight…
That's priceless! I too am a trusted advisor of God, who lets him know when he's getting it wrong. It's a good thing he has me around.
Such a tension is inevitable re your latest point, regarding our “free” choice of Christ. On the one hand we are commanded and invited to believe in Christ, and held accountable for it (though actually we’re held accountable for the sin that remains in us if we reject Christ). The whole deal – the whole New Testament is presented via commands, reasons, persuasions and other appeals to our will. On the other, we’re told that faith is not of ourselves, but the gift of God, lest any man boast; that “you did not choose me, but I chose you”; that “no man comes to me unless the Father draw him”; that God is at work in us both to will and to do his good purpose”; that we are called for good works “which he prepared in advance for us”; and a bunch of other stuff to the same effect. These are the data we all have to work with.
These paradoxes arise, in my humble opinion, because we are dealing with an eternal and omniscient God, who knows the end of things from the beginning (Isa 46:10). "No one comes to the Father except through me." -- John 14:6b "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him..." -- John 6:44a These two verses seem to present a closed loop, and impenetrable barrier. We cannot approach the Son without the Father, and we cannot approach the Father without the Son. This does clearly indicate, to my mind, that there is something more than our raw free will at issue. It does appear that divine intervention is required to breach this paradox. And yet I believe scripture has been preserved for our benefit, as a divine tool with which to make an existential choice.
Underpinning my understanding is the observation that Scripture makes a good deal less than many of us about the centrality of “free will” (ie nothing) and a lot about freedom from the bondage of sin by grace.
Agreed. Scripture also makes a lot more of God's will than ours.
Sin is primarily an affliction of the will to do good. So if accepting Christ is only an independently-made human choice, you would expect conversion to be commoner amongst the less corrupt, and unlikely for those more lost in sin. The choice of Paul, “the worst of sinners” on the Damascus Road appears, then, to be a particularly courageous and meritorious decision…
I would suggest that Sin is in part, the result of a knowledge of good and evil bestowed upon a creature made in the image of God, but who lacks God's inherent holiness. The whole of divine history seems to indicate that it is impossible for a created being, no matter how wonderfully made, to have the qualities of holiness apart from the One who is holy. The creature will instead descend into darkness. Scripture is a testimony of what's been required to rescue us from the attempt. But your point is taken, that God can rescue the utterly blind and corrupt, just as he can reach those less so, and "choice" cannot be the only factor in doing so. Paul is the case study. I think in his case, more intensely than with others, the choice was suddenly and unequivocally made excruciatingly clear. m.i. "I know that my Redeemer lives, and that in the end he will stand upon the earth. And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God; I myself will see him with my own eyes—I, and not another. How my heart yearns within me!" --Job 19:25-27material.infantacy
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"Gregory: Get with the program, will you please!" It's worse than that - we're all either Toffs or Cockneys. What choice do I have...Jon Garvey
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TM My name is just an accident of birth. Now, yours on the other hand...;-) "Is the speed of the car a measure of righteousness or a measure of free will?" Let's call it the measure of free will to be righteous! It was an illustration, of course, rather than anything more axhaustive. But let's run with it. I guess I'm trying to stick with the totality of our reality, rather than a reductionist theoretical account of some quasi-independent entity called free-will. Over here there's a national speed limit of 70mph. Can your Mini do 140? No... it's illegal. But what if you broke the law? But I'm law-abiding. Yes, but what if you weren't. But I am - if I weren't, I'd be somebody different, and it wouldn't be my Mini... (and so on in circles). The point is, *that* Mini won't ever do 140, whatever the mechanics of the vehicle. You can't ever separate will from personality, and if my personality has boundaries or defects, so has my will. My choices are limited by me, before any other power kicks in. I'm not being pedantic - the whole question of whether God could do evil if he wanted revolves round it. He won't want to, so he can't. We have to get over it. In the garden, it seems to me the tree of knowledge was forbidden because A&E had not learned to conform their wills to the Lord's, as did Jesus. They broke the only command, gained the knowldge, and started choosing all kinds of non-God things that actually enslaved them and their successors to sin (as well as condemning them to death). I suspect if they'd obeyed at first, God would have gradually taught them good and evil, and how to choose wisely. Another mechanical analogy: God designed the human will to choose within God's prescriptive will: max safe speed 70mph. Driving lessons commence, but boy racers (A&E) decide to try for the ton, and then they can't stop the thing. From then on, they're only free to hit the next wall. Their choices are limited, but nobody else has ever forced their will. Drastic measures are required, but telling them to slow down won't do it.Jon Garvey
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I assure you Jon Garvey, your name is just as cryptic to me as mine is to you. :D There's something I need to understand about the car analogy. Is the speed of the car a measure of righteousness or a measure of free will? Is 200 mph the state of righteousness or freedom? I was assuming it was righteousness, but your last references to the analogy almost seem to view it as a measure of the freedom of the will.tragic mishap
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Back on the topic of 'human exceptionalism'...an explanation/argument from the mouths of 'Darwinists,' a verification of V.J. Torley's claim re: 'Darwinists' not being able to be 'human exceptionalists', a diversion into Human supremacy vs. Human exceptionalism? In any case, a few (or more) of Torley's 7 evidences are addressed below. This film just released (you can watch it completely on-line) by those challenging 'speciesism' aka 'anthropocentrism' aka 'human exceptionalism': http://thesuperiorhuman.ultraventus.info/ Btw, Jon, in case you didn't know it, all Calvinists ("do not believe in free will") are determinists just like all Europeans (U.K. included) under secularisation have renounced theism and (once again) become heathens. Get with the program, will you please! ; ) Several good points in #21 and an answer is still due to M.I.'s #28...Gregory
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Hi MI I obviously woke up too early this (UK) morning - I mistook your cryptic username for TM's cryptic username and assumed he was continuing his post. That's how people get slugged when they try to intervene in bar fights... So regarding the main body of your post, I see where you're coming from, and please take my Baxter quotes as a reply. Much confusion and position-taking comes from our lack of real knowledge of what we are (and what God is, too). I would say that's sometimes combined with a lack of willingness to accept Scripture's hard teaching when that ignorance emerges, but then no doubt everyone says that. God's ways are higher than our ways, except when we don't like them, in which case our reasoning will set him straight... So regarding God's "cannot" and "will not" I largely agree. One way to consider that is that God is not just eternally existent, but self-existent. He's not landed with his nature by some higher power - he is, and chooses to be, what he is. So in all probability it's just meaningless to talk about his doing, or rather "being able to do", other than he does. Such a tension is inevitable re your latest point, regarding our "free" choice of Christ. On the one hand we are commanded and invited to believe in Christ, and held accountable for it (though actually we're held accountable for the sin that remains in us if we reject Christ). The whole deal - the whole New Testament is presented via commands, reasons, persuasions and other appeals to our will. On the other, we're told that faith is not of ourselves, but the gift of God, lest any man boast; that "you did not choose me, but I chose you"; that "no man comes to me unless the Father draw him"; that God is at work in us both to will and to do his good purpose"; that we are called for good works "which he prepared in advance for us"; and a bunch of other stuff to the same effect. These are the data we all have to work with. Underpinning my understanding is the observation that Scripture makes a good deal less than many of us about the centrality of "free will" (ie nothing) and a lot about freedom from the bondage of sin by grace. Sin is primarily an affliction of the will to do good. So if accepting Christ is only an independently-made human choice, you would expect conversion to be commoner amongst the less corrupt, and unlikely for those more lost in sin. The choice of Paul, "the worst of sinners" on the Damascus Road appears, then, to be a particularly courageous and meritorious decision...Jon Garvey
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Hi Jon, I'm unclear which parts of your post are directed at me. It seems your content is still taking issue with things that TM said. Just for the record, I don't reject original sin. I take Genesis about as literally as anyone here, understanding Adam and Eve to be historical persons, and not allegorical conveniences. I believe that the account of creation is meant to be understood as the root of world history, the beginning of human sin, and the first revelation of salvation. Anyway, I wasn't really trying to refute anything you said in particular (I can't really comment intelligibly about Calvinism or Arminianism) which I thought was apparent by the nature of my post. I had read through much of the dialog between VJ, TM, and you, and took the opportunity to throw out some lingering thoughts. The one I neglected to record was that I believe we are each responsible for our choice to accept or reject Christ; this is most important choice. If we are responsible for that choice, we must in a real sense be free to make it. However the technicalities are endless, as are debates about them. If there was anything I wrote which you believe to be incorrect or unscriptural, please feel free to point it out. m.i.material.infantacy
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MI Check my posts, and you'll see I never said that we lack the freedom to resist or succumb to a particular sin. The Pelagian argument broke down when he suggested that, ergo, continued effort would enable the conscientious sinner to rise above his sin, given the assistance of "grace" in the form of teaching, warnings and other, essentially, non-supernatural assitances. He neglected the fact that it's our corrupted wills that stop us being conscientious, and that's the weakness of the libertarian position. It's essentially like saying that that the 200mph car does indeed experience a 15mph limit, but given the right fuel and a following wind, it's as free to do 200mph as ever. We can will whatever we want, and we want (overall)to disobey God and be our own little gods. So how can anyone be saved? "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts." (Jer) "I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws." (Ezek) Making an unwilling people willing was the main purpose of the New Covenant. Calvinists say that sin has reset the structural limit (in your terms) at 15mph - not 0 mph which would be easier to bear - the car ceases to worry because it sees itself as scrap, not a car: it's our remaining freedom of choice that enables us to understand our weakness and guilt, just as the law of God exascerbates it). Two quotes from the Puritan Richard Baxter (1675) might assist: "Though men can act against habits, some habits are so strong that the will never acts against them, and though they don't absolutely necessitate, nor take away the natural power to the contrary, yet they constantly cause that power to determine itself to follow the inclination (for good or evil)." "What is commonly called 'liberty' (an indifferent or undetermined state) is not the greatest excellency of the will of man, but so far as grace and holy habit fixes the will to a constant self-determination to good, that's when it is truly free." I see you've not responded to my comments on Romans 7, by the way. Your choice.Jon Garvey
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ADMIN: Broken Italics! The offending string is in post 30: "what he <i>would<i/> become" I really wish Wordpress would fix that bug!material.infantacy
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Just a few thoughts here. I think there is a difference between being constrained by our nature and being determined by it. A man may defend a castle from a billion slings and arrows, and at some point fall. His eventual defeat may be inevitable, but his own actions will determine which missiles strike him, and in what manner he meets death. Even a coward might find his courage just at the very end, or a brave man be overcome by fear of the onslaught. His character might limit or expand the possibilities available to him, and his training will aid his tactics, but he will weave his own course in defense of the castle -- dodging projectiles between sprints to battlements, or finding a place to cower and await death. I believe most any thoughtful Christian understands that it is impossible for one to attain holiness by perpetual abstinence from sin. However I can't understand why it would be impossible for one to avoid a specific sin at a specific time, regardless of natural constraints, as an act of individual will; or fall to a sin, although having knowledge of grace, due to a moment of weakness and a choice to engage wickedness. We could perhaps blame pride, understanding that it is the root of sin and the ruler of our nature, and protest that we had no choice but to fall at its feet. But there would still be Adam, who was under no obligation to sin by his nature. We are Adam, and we have inherited the curse of his sin, yet still retain his freedom to choose. We may have lost our sight as a result of the curse, so that we may not see the glory of God, but that cannot mean (in my estimation) that we have lost the essential property of the freedom given to Adam, as an aspect of his created nature (made in the image of God) to choose to obey or to rebel. Just because we all choose rebellion at some point does not mean that obedience was never an option. Regarding constraints on God, it may be that for a being of eternal and unchanging nature, "cannot" can be understood to mean "will not." God is not mechanistically obligated to act according to his nature, as if his nature "causes" his actions. I believe he chooses them. He may be morally obligated to his choices because of his nature, and he honors that obligation because of that very same nature; but I can't see a way to elevate God's nature in such a way that his will is merely subject to it, as a matter of cause and effect, because I believe that his will is preeminent. However I also cannot see a way to hold in my mind a reasonable estimation of the nature of the Living God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.material.infantacy
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So what does it actually mean to “extricate Calvinism from Protestantism”? It would be like extracting evolution from Darwinism.
I see we are in agreement on the substance, if not the degree. I don't think extricating Calvinism from Protestantism is quite so difficult as that (after all I feel I've done it), but my point is made. Those comments were largely for Mr. Torley's benefit, since he is Catholic and may not realize this about Protestantism. I'm helping Mr. Torley to develop his thesis. Once again, my purpose here was merely to show that Calvinists do not believe in the libertarian free will that Mr. Torley and I both do, and therefore he needs to adjust his thesis about the reasons Calvinists may or may not reject Darwinism. I see that you have all but admitted that you do not believe in libertarian free will, so we don't need to continue this further. The Original Sin thing was an aside, but we can continue to discuss that if you wish. However I'm much more interested in what you think free will is if it's not libertarian free will. As you said:
Calvinists do not deny free will. They deny the Arminian concept of free will, and therefore try and avoid the term (which has about 350 years of baggage).
I would be interested in understanding exactly what sort of free will you believe in. I don't understand any other concept of free will than the idea that one could have done other than what they in fact did, something you said could have been true only of Adam and Eve before the Fall. As for this:
I’m really not that bothered about the “structural limits of free will”. If a car can “structurally” do 200 mph but is bust so it only does 15mph, it’s academic – the car is a wreck.
I don't think you understood what I meant by "structural." If the car is broken such that it can only do 15 mph, than that is a structural limit on its speed. The fact that the car could reach 200 mph in a structural state that it is not actually in is irrelevant.tragic mishap
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Not sure what you're on about Gregory. You can believe whatever you want about God. All I'm trying to do is show that Calvinists do not believe in free will. If that is so, then Mr. Torley is incorrect to assume that all Christians reject the Darwinian thesis because it suggests we do not have free will. He may be correct that Calvinists still rightly reject Darwinism for other reasons, but it's not because they accept free will.
“God causes sin…God’s sovereignty over every man directly” – tragic mishap How is this different from frankly acknowledging that ‘intelligent design’ caused the GULAG, Abu Ghraib prison or your local neighbourhood kindergarten? These things are all ‘intelligently designed,’ in one way or another aren’t they?
Sure they are. But it's different because we are talking about a specific person: God. "Intelligent design" is not about a specific person.tragic mishap
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TM "Calvinism has really never left Protestantism, and it’s very difficult to extricate." Something about your analysis makes me suspect that you lack a full historical perspective on the Protestant Reformation. It was kick started by Luther c1520, and the earliest major variants were those of Zwingli and Calvin. Of these probably the most widely influential was that of Calvin and the Genevans: certainly both the Scottish and English churches (ie the English-speaking world)took their lead from Geneva through Knox, Tyndale, Latimer, Cranmer and so on. These strands differed (vigorously) on some things, but on many essentials they were agreed - Calvin corresponded fruitfully with Luther's successor Melancthon and Zwingli's, Bullinger. And one thing they all agreed on was the bondage of the sinful will and the sovereignty of God in salvation. It was not until the following century that this issue became controversial, throgh Arminius. So what does it actually mean to "extricate Calvinism from Protestantism"? It would be like extracting evolution from Darwinism.Jon Garvey
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VJT: "We know what He did, but I’m sure there were other things He could have done." Now you see, I'm not so sure ... he's never told me, and that's the only way I'm going to know. So I try to remain agnostic on that. But if God says he does whatever he pleases, but that he cannot sin, the understanding of his will would seem to be that he never wills to do what is against his nature. Despite being omnipotent. And he doesn't regard that as being a "constraint" on his freedom. So it is logically consistent that humans, too, may only will according to their nature, and yet still be free. Leonardo could have become a scientist or an artist or both, without sinning against God’s will. I would say that nothing determined him to make the choice he did. that's true looking from one angle. But it's also true that, given the constraints I initially outlined, there were inevitable limits to what he would become. Suppose I met him and said, "Leonardo - you've been cheated! Your social background biased you towards your career as opposed to, say, a navigator. The political system guaranteed you wouldn't be a ruler. God's government of affairs meant that science had not advanced enough to enable you to even consider evolutionary biology as a career. Not only that, but in his omniscience he knew in advance that you would do Mona Lisa and not the Sistine Chapel - it was all a put-up job!" And Leonardo, if he had any sense, would shrug and say, "I feel pretty free, thanks - how about you?"Jon Garvey
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TM Sorry for delay in replying - we've had rather a big birthday celebration here. We probably won't get far if "Calvinists don't believe in free will" actually means "the Calvinists I've met in the US seem not to believe in free will," and you doubt that they would accept what I've said so far. I got my teaching from reading Calvin (and before him, on free will, Augustine, Martin Luther and other first-generation Protestants), the English Puritans (especially John Owen and Richard Baxter), the later Calvinists like Whitefield and Jonathan Edwards, C H Spurgeon, and B B Warfield, and (in some cases directly) from moderns like Jim Packer, John Stott, Martyn Lloyd-Jones, Alec Moyter, et all - only one American amongst them. That's important because I can't assume I'm discussing with a mainstream Arminian: you deny original sin, for example, whereas the Remonstrants affirmed it (though their understanding of it may have been rather different from their predecessors). Denying it totally comes from an attempt to rehabilitate Pelagius over, perhaps, the last 20 years - less than half of my Christian life. Until then NO major branch of historic Christianity denied original sin - you should always worry when you deny what the whole Church has always held: they read the Bible too. Let's look at your use of Romans 7. I disagree that Paul's mode of argument means that he considered himself to be born sinless, but allowing that he did, a straight reading of his words implies: (a) The law was intended to bring him life. (b) But when it came to him, instead sin "sprang to life". (c) Sin deceived him and put him to death... (d) so that sin might be recognised as sin and become utterly sinful. (e) Paul is now (at least) unspirtual - a slave to sin. (f) He does what he doesn't want to do because "Nothing good lives in my sinful nature (flesh)". There's more, but that's enough for now. Now sin only puts people to death because they are found guilty of sin, which you defined as "a choice made against the will of God." So either: (a) God judged Paul for sinning, despite his will being righteous, which is ludicrous; or (b) Sin is an innate, dormant, part of human nature which is inevitably activated by the law (that God, rather stupidly, thinks will bring life though in every case so far it's brought death) AND that sin is a force which constrains free will so that it cannot avoid sin (contra your position that nothing constrains free-will); OR (c) Paul is personifying the sinful aspect of his humanity, which includes his will, saying that this part of him willfully rebels against God's law, even though another part of him would like to please God. Only the last, by your own definitions, is a freely made choice which God would (as per verse 9, 14) punish by death. At the very least that means that the person who has sinned no longer has the freedom to do good, the main point of the passage. This is what Calvinists mean when they deny libertarian free will, and what Luther calls "The bondage of the Will". Incidentally, many people forget that this was the very first doctrine defended by Protestantism (Carlstadt, under the aegis of Luther). But, carefully understood, since the only Biblical teaching on a divided human will is that of Paul speaking about the fallen-nature as against the redeemed spiritual-nature, this passage confirms V J Torley's Catholic (and catholic) doctrine of a post-fall nature in which the odds are loaded in favour of sin, ie freedom is constrained by sin. Where Calvinists differ from Catholics here is in the steepness of the "slope". Tridentine Catholicism says we can climb it only with the help of God's grace. Calvinists say that since the difficulty is not just that we can't do the good we want, but that sin cripples our will to do good, then God's grace must actually renew us, including our damaged will. I support this view primarily because it fits with what the Old Testament prophesied the New Covenant would achieve - the desire to do God's will, which Israel had always lacked because the sin-nature had not been dealt with. I'm really not that bothered about the "structural limits of free will". If a car can "structurally" do 200 mph but is bust so it only does 15mph, it's academic - the car is a wreck.Jon Garvey
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Gregory, I sense some frustration on your part, perhaps with the fact that ID doesn't screen its adherents' theological beliefs. Do you believe that because ID may have theological implications, that it should submit itself to some self-appointed ecclesiastical authority, to determine who should and shouldn't be a member of the movement, or which theological positions are tenable for its adherents, or perhaps which methods of biblical hermeneutics are appropriate?
"From what I understand, Jon openly accepts HE via his agreement with orthodox views of ‘real, historical Adam and Eve.’ But ID apparently has ‘no official opinion’ on this topic. Please correct if I’m misunderstanding."
You are misunderstanding. It's not that 'ID' has no opinion on the topic. It's that nothing about a historical Adam and Eve has any bearing on whether "certain features of the universe and living systems are best explained as a product of intelligence." This is very much like pointing out that big bang cosmology takes no position on the Abomination of Desolation, nor does that event inform big bang cosmology, nor does what one believes about either really have anything to do with evaluating the evidence.
“God causes sin…God’s sovereignty over every man directly” – tragic mishap
How is this different from frankly acknowledging that ‘intelligent design’ caused the GULAG, Abu Ghraib prison or your local neighbourhood kindergarten? These things are all ‘intelligently designed,’ in one way or another aren’t they?
Intelligent design doesn't cause anything, but it does claim that intelligent agency is causal, and can often be detected by the artifacts of its activities. The second formulation eliminates the equivocation of crediting "intelligent design" instead of the intelligent agents directly responsible, while preserving the notion that the very real artifacts of agency being empirically detectable, is objectively true. Ask yourself, what is ID claiming: 1) that design is objectively detectible; or 2) that ID believes (or should believe) certain things, rejecting others, about the nature and revelation of the creator God? There's plenty to talk about regarding the first claim, and nothing germane about the second. The first is directly relevant to ID; the second is, IMO, an invention of Darwinists, theistic or otherwise, disturbed to madness about the veracity of the first claim.material.infantacy
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"I’m not quite convinced he believes in free will yet." - tragic mishap First, in this case it is appropriate to refer to Jon not as 'Mr.' but rather as 'Dr.' since he is in fact a trained medical doctor. Second, what does 'intelligent design theory' have to say directly about 'human exceptionalism' (HE), the topic of this thread? Is there a recognisable ID position on HE? Or is it another 'big tent' (believe whatever you want) thing? From what I understand, Jon openly accepts HE via his agreement with orthodox views of 'real, historical Adam and Eve.' But ID apparently has 'no official opinion' on this topic. Please correct if I'm misunderstanding. It is fine and dandy to criticise 'Darwinists' for their negative position re: human exceptionalism. But what makes ID a different positive position, given its reluctance to even take a position regarding theology (e.g. imago Dei)? "God causes sin...God’s sovereignty over every man directly" - tragic mishap How is this different from frankly acknowledging that 'intelligent design' caused the GULAG, Abu Ghraib prison or your local neighbourhood kindergarten? These things are all 'intelligently designed,' in one way or another aren't they?Gregory
April 14, 2012
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From my own Catholic perspective, I don’t think the Fall changed the boundaries of the paths we traverse: we’re still human, so our natures have the same built-in limits as they had before the Fall.
Agreed.
What the Fall changed was the slope of the surface we are traveling on, so that it’s hard for us now to avoid disobeying God’s will.
If that's all that's meant by Original Sin, I'm fine with it. I don't think that's what the doctrine of Original Sin is though. Likewise, I have my doubts that prominent modern Calvinists would agree with much of what Mr. Garvey has already said, even though I'm not quite convinced he believes in free will yet. I went to a Calvinist high school for seven years. I had many Calvinist friends and listened to pastors and teachers explain it both in private conversations and from the pulpit. I have never once heard the distinction between God's determinative will and prescriptive will, though I took it for granted myself. They all say that God's will is determinative period. They even say that God causes sin. Part of God's character is mercy, and how could He be merciful if there's nothing to have mercy on? So He makes us sin so He can have mercy on us and show His glory. I'm not making this up. Calvinism has been the primary systematic Protestant theology in the United States, and it really hasn't had any single worthy competitor, at least in the systematic theology department. I think part of the reason for this is an over reaction against the Catholic Church. The reason Protestants don't like the Catholic Church is mostly because of the authority Catholicism grants to the church hierarchy. Catholicism grants equal authority to Scripture and church teachings; Protestants grant that authority only to Scripture. Calvinism provided a strong counter-punch asserting God's sovereignty over every man directly. Calvinism has really never left Protestantism, and it's very difficult to extricate. Even non-Calvinist denominations often pick up bits and pieces of it without even thinking about it. It's pervasive. And it's been an ally to American progressivism from the very beginning.tragic mishap
April 14, 2012
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Hi tragic mishap and jon garvey, I was very interested to read that Teddy Roosevelt and William Jennings Bryan were both Calvinists. I had no idea. Tragic mishap, I agree with you that one's choices are not really free if they are determined by one's reasons. I was just quoting Boettner's definition (which I don't personally endorse, as I'm not a Calvinist). I would still say, though, that there's a real difference between theological determinism and scientific determinism, and that a theological determinist could recognize that if our choices are physically determined by factors that have nothing to do with their rational (or propositional) content, then even on Boettner's definition, they're not free. Jon Garvey, you ask in what sense God's actions could be described as free, if He is constrained to do good by His nature. I would answer that His Nature does not determine which out of many logically possible worlds He will in fact create, although it would of course rule out the creation of some of these worlds as unworthy of a Deity. Nor does God's Nature determine how He will respond to events occurring in any given world - e.g. what God will do about the Fall. We know what He did, but I'm sure there were other things He could have done. Tragic mishap, I've been thinking about your diagrams. From my own Catholic perspective, I don't think the Fall changed the boundaries of the paths we traverse: we're still human, so our natures have the same built-in limits as they had before the Fall. What the Fall changed was the slope of the surface we are traveling on, so that it's hard for us now to avoid disobeying God's will. Adam and Eve would have experienced no such difficulty, as they were riding along a road with a smooth surface. Our road has a groove in it which unfortunately falls outside the bounds of God's prescriptive will, so that doing the right thing goes against the grain. God's prescriptive will still leaves us with quite a lot of freedom. Leonardo could have become a scientist or an artist or both, without sinning against God's will. I would say that nothing determined him to make the choice he did.vjtorley
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Mr. Torley:
Central to Boettner’s definition is the fact that one’s reasons determine one’s choices.
This is not really free will. A choice cannot be determined by anything and still be a choice. Reasons can inform a choice, but they cannot determine a choice. You cannot assign mathematical values to every reason, add them up and algorithmically arrive at a conclusion. The very act of assigning values is a choice in itself. As for Calvinism, I am not referring to "what John Calvin taught." Neither would I use the term "Darwinism" to mean "what Darwin taught." It has a meaning that is constrained by those who inherited that line of thinking, propogated it and expanded or restricted it. Calvin did not teach the five points, yet those five points are undeniably a large part of Calvinist belief today. The point I am making about Calvinism and progressivism is not that they were married, though in Wilson they certainly were, but that they were allies. Certainly they would have disagreed about what is doing the determining, but they were agreed that determinism was true. Calvinists in my experience don't blame sinners for the sin because of some argument about "rational self-determination." They blame sinners for sin because God blames sinners for sin, full stop. Any Calvinist who thinks about it too much though would realize that if man's nature determines his actions, and non-Christian criminals have no access to the Spirit's power to transform their nature, than the problem is not that this man made a "self-determination", it's that he has no access to the means by which he could do otherwise. Even Christian criminals would be explained away as "Well, that's just his sin nature acting up again." In practice it's very similar to treating crime as a disease a la Darwinism. Thus even though God blames the sinner in some existential way (really just to resolve the theological issue of judgment), any practical approach to crime must be amended to reflect the sinner's innate inability to have done otherwise. I did not mean to imply that Sanger was Calvinist. I only brought her up because I've read her writings, she's from the right time period, and her writings make it quite clear how Darwinism was proselytized with respect to crime at the time. Darwinism was viewed as an all encompassing law of nature in an even stronger way than most Darwinists today would view it. This belief was so strong that Sanger did not believe in punishing crime, but in breeding it out of the population through birth control. At that point, and only at that point, would Calvinism had parted ways with Darwinism. But in the treatment of criminals they are practically the same. In lesser matters, such as inspiring good behavior in non-criminal citizens they are also practically the same. Politically, then, Darwinists and Calvinists were allies. It didn't have to be open or even intentional. They pursued the same goals in government. Look at all the early progressives and you will find Calvinists everywhere. Teddy Roosevelt was the first progressive president and a straight-up Dutch Reformed. William Jennings Bryan was the leader of the Populist Party, the most successful third party to date in U.S. political history. After that finally failed, he ran for President three times as a progressive Democrat. He was Presbyterian. He was also, notably, the one who argued against Clarence Darrow in the Scopes Trial and died shortly thereafter. Bryan campaigned actively against Darwinism, and actively for progressivism. Calvinism was not generally married to Darwinism. Darwinism and Calvinism were equally effective foundations for progressivism.tragic mishap
April 13, 2012
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The diagram did not translate well, but hopefully you see the intent. The slashes are the path of choices approaching and being turned back by this man's nature and thereafter staying with the prescriptive will.tragic mishap
April 13, 2012
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Sorry for falling behind here. I should be able to catch up now. Mr. Garvey:
Could they break it? Clearly, since they did. Need they? Clearly not, or they would not have been judged.
This is what I mean by free will: the ability to have done other than what you in fact did. But it seems you only believe this about Adam and Eve before the Fall? This is the free will I believe all men have. (Before I return to the main line here I would submit Romans 7:9:
Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died.
If the wages of sin is death and Paul was once alive, then he means he was once sinless. I was on the fence about Original Sin until I examined this section closely.) Back to the main line: It seems to me Mr. Garvey that you are talking about the more obvious limits to free will. As a sane person I probably would not choose a path I knew was unavailable to me, but this is not a hard limit upon the will. I am thinking structural limits to free will here. I think we need to make a distinction between choice and action. Action need not follow choice. For instance I could choose to do something I did not know was not within my power, only to find out after the choice was made that I could not do it. This could easily apply to your Everest example. I could choose to climb Mt. Everest and die in the attempt. Not having completed the action I chose to do doesn't negate the fact that I chose to do it. The path in my diagram is a path of choices, not a path of actions. The limits are meant to be only the limits upon the will, not the limits upon the action. I think before we established three kinds of choices: Choices within God's determinative will, choices within His prescriptive will, and choices within man's nature. (I may return to a fourth: choices which are neutral to the prescriptive will). Let me see if I can adjust my diagram to show this. Keep in mind my objective is to correctly represent your view, so feel free to correct me at any point. Determinative will (absolute boundary) _________________________________________ Man's nature (absolute boundary) _________________________________________ ..../\ Prescriptive will (can be trespassed) __/____\_________________________________ ./......\ /........\_____________ _________________________________________ _________________________________________ _________________________________________ You see quickly that God's determinative will is pointless unless it is identical to the boundary of Man's nature. However we must also keep in mind that I am speaking of individual man, and as individual men have different natures yet God cannot have different determinative wills. So we must view God's determinative will as a collective constraint upon man's various natures. God's determinative will forms the boundary of each individual man's nature but collectively may be larger than any individual man's nature. The only time any of the two absolute boundaries have an influence upon the choices is when those choices run into the boundary and are turned back. At all other times the choices are free, and man could have done other than what he did. Is this a correct way to describe your view?tragic mishap
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Hi Gregory In one sense this thread has gone off topic, in that I chimed in primarily defend the charge about Calvinists' denial of choice (without any direct connection to Darwinism). Your "character" observation is an important one, and helpful in distinguishing the philosphical/theological concepts like "natural freedom" and "moral freedom" (except that given your discussion of exceptionalism and nature people might still stumble over the difference between "evolved nature" and "exceptionally endowed human nature"!) I hesitate to switch fully to "character" though, because the issue is fundamentally theological, and Scripture uses words like "[sinful] nature" ("phusis", as we've discussed), "[sinful] flesh" ("sarx") to emphasise that our sinfulness is now inborn, rather than being in the same category as "cheerful character", "inquisitive character", etc which may be the result just of education and so on. We need to be even more careful to define terms when the same thread uses "nature" in its biological, philosophical and theological senses! On your first point (if I understand you aright) both naming and the ability to affect ones own character were indeed the result of the exceptional endowment of humans with volition. Non-human entities don't name, don't sin, nor "evolve (create) themselves" as per the Open Theism agenda.Jon Garvey
April 13, 2012
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vjt: "(i) a choice is free only if it is contingent from the standpoint of one’s nature – that is, if there is nothing in one’s nature which necessitates one’s making that choice" It seems to me that this is a philosophical approach. Yo alluded in your post to the fact that Calvinism proper is founded not on philosophy but on Scripture. You describe, I think, libertarian free will, which really doesn't appear as a concept, let alone a name, in Scripture. Yet Scripture does speak of will, and it does speak of freedom. It speaks of God's will, it speaks of God doing whatsoever he wishes, and it speaks of his being unable to do evil (Jas 1.13). Because God is simple, his essence, his nature, his will coincide. Because his nature is good, he cannot do evil, meaning that "there is no way he will". The libertarian concept says, "But he could sin if he wanted to, or he's not free." But how can one legitimately theorise about something that is eternally untrue? Therefore God's will is "constrained" to good by his nature (or better he is entirely free always to express his nature). If that is true of God, why is it not true of man? Or maybe one should put your statement the other way round: "Does free will ever enable a being to act contrary to its nature?" Clearly that would be an impossibility.Jon Garvey
April 13, 2012
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Hi Jon and others, "their given nature was untainted by sin or temptation: they were God’s creatures who, by nature, reflected the character of God." - Jon If you substituted 'given character' and 'by character', this would allow a break with 'Darwinian evolution' as an ideology that denies human exceptionalism. Or maybe A&E formed their own character out of the nature they were given, e.g. by naming and nurturing? If A&E evolved 'naturally' and 'naturally' sinned against G-D, then I don't see how this escapes from the free will vs. determinism jam that you are seeking to avoid contra Pelagius. Speaking of 'sin nature' vs. saying 'persons sin,' not naturally (i.e. as impersonal agents), but rather 'by their character' seems to improve the communicative meaning for clarity, at the same time distancing one-self from eVo psych and naturalistic accounts of human 'emergence.' Can we not speak of 'redeemed character' instead of 'redeemed nature,' or in your terms, do those mean literally the same thing? To me, 'nature' sounds less 'personal' than 'character.' In TM's drawing, the personal 'will' (squiggly line) differs from his or her 'nature' (straight lines), in a similar way to how 'character' differs from 'predestination.' But he also speaks mainly of 'nature' and not about 'character.' I have no idea what a 'natural Christian or non-Christian' means without abolishing choice. Above you spoke that "choices will necessarily conform to the nature and character of the chooser." Again I am thinking this distinction is most helpful to make because the OP topic is Darwinism (i.e. naturalism) vs. Human Exceptionalism, i.e. Adamic thought in the Abrahamic faiths.Gregory
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