Archaeologists believe they found the oldest Hebrew text in Israel – including the name of God

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June 27, 2022

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Correspondent Tal Heinrich writes at ALL ISRAEL NEWS:

The potentially history-changing lead tablet that was found at Mount Ebal may provide proof that the Israelites were literate when they entered the Holy Land.

The earliest Hebrew text to date may have been discovered in ancient Israel, according to archaeologist Dr. Scott Stripling and a team of international scholars.

The text appears to be an old curse inscribed with 40 Hebrew letters on a lead tablet. The finding, which could be one of the greatest archaeological discoveries ever, was announced at a press conference on Thursday in Houston, Texas.

Archaeological site at Mount Ebal, February 15, 2021. (Photo: Shomrim Al Hanetzach)

The proto-alphabetic Hebrew text was unearthed in December 2019 during excavations on Mount Ebal. Located near biblical Shechem – the modern-day Palestinian city of Nablus – the mountain is known from Deuteronomy 11:29 as a place of curses. It is believed to be the site where Joshua built an altar to the Lord, described in Joshua 8:31 as “an altar of unhewn stones, upon which no man had lifted up any iron.”

The roughly 2×2 centimeters folded-lead curse tablet includes the acronym of God, YHVH, as well as the Hebrew word arur, which means “cursed.” Archaeologists believe it dates to the Late Bronze Age (circa 1,200 BC), based on analysis of the scans and lead analysis of the artifact.
According to the Times of Israel, the discovery would be the first attested use of the name of God in the Land of Israel. This may also reveal that Israelite literacy has been evident centuries before previously proven. If the date is verified, it means the Israelites were literate when they entered the Holy Land and therefore could have written the Bible since some of the events documented took place.

“This is a text you find only every 1,000 years,” Haifa University Prof. Gershon Galil told the Times of Israel. Galil helped decipher the hidden internal text of the folded lead tablet based on high-tech scans conducted by the academy. The advanced technology was used in order to avoid destroying the tablet when trying to open it.
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That there are two complementary strands of DNA is irrelevant to the fact that the sequence in one strand encodes an algorithm for constructing an AA chain towards a protein. In the related information system the code is expressed through loading tRNAs with the AA that corresponds to the relevant anticodon at the other end of the L.
That the inherent properties of base pairing in DNA produce a stable double helix that forms complementary copies when helices are separated (heat can do this) is fundamental to living organisms (excluding RNA viruses). This is direct templating, no symbols needed or involved.Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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If you feel your suggestion that an aaRS need only be made of one single type of amino acid is somehow problematic … you are certainly welcome to vacate that suggestion.
Thanks and my apologies for misreading. No I don't suggest any biochemically active suite of proteins can be constructed from polymers consisting of a single aminoacid. I do suggest that twenty aaRSs did not need to exist prior to proteins being incorporated into RNA World organisms. I concede that wasn't your question.Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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Correction on 75 I didn’t see, it is not IP I meant OSAaronS1978_{June 28, 2022
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Ps on the topic of the thread the discovery was actually pretty coolAaronS1978_{June 28, 2022
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I just wasted my time reading all of this, FH and JVL are simply dismissing everyone’s examples straight out of hand, saying no. its not, and patting each other on the back for a job well done If they wanna deny the genetic coding language, they can it’s very similar to binary and guess what binary is used universally across every single IP system in the world much like DNA and RNA is used in all of life, there is a striking similarities there But if they want to deny it let them honestly I wish I didn’t read through all of this it was a waste of time and they are wasting your time making you write these long examples and telling you to prove yourself to them This is literally the standard run-of-the-mill atheist tactic of “prove it to me” Like how they are behaving is straight out of almost every Richard Dawkins play book Just start questioning their belief throw it back in their face ask them why it’s not language and then refute it by simply saying that’s not good enough BA 77 was right you’re going to just sit here and run around in circles not getting anywhere because they aren’t going to except anything that you say or do If God himself came down and said I created this program to run life they would still deny it and say something dumb like “well if your god/creator existed I would argue with it because it’s not language or code” add “Christians are bad” to the end if it was said by Sev :PAaronS1978_{June 28, 2022
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FH, strawman, and you know it. That there are two complementary strands of DNA is irrelevant to the fact that the sequence in one strand encodes an algorithm for constructing an AA chain towards a protein. In the related information system the code is expressed through loading tRNAs with the AA that corresponds to the relevant anticodon at the other end of the L. KFkairosfocus_{June 28, 2022
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. Fred, If you feel your suggestion that an aaRS need only be made of one single type of amino acid is somehow problematic ... you are certainly welcome to vacate that suggestion.Upright BiPed_{June 28, 2022
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For background if anyone is interested.Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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Ah, "one type of". I missed the gotcha. Away you go.Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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Yes, UB, that's what they do. In general terms aaRSs hook up aminoacids to specific tRNAs.Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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. Fred, Can an aaRS made up of one type of amino acid perform a double-recognition of a particular tRNA and a particular amino acid, then bind them together?Upright BiPed_{June 28, 2022
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Come on UB! Man up and tell us clearly what it is you claim.Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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. JVL,
If a claim is made that there is something special or significant about the similarity between two forms of symbolic representation but it turns out that all such systems have the same aspects then it is absolutely relevant to the claim.
That is not the claim (there are plenty of symbol systems that do not function like the gene system, but only the gene system and written language/mathematics function as they do).Upright BiPed_{June 28, 2022
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I can't believe how KF can type the phrase "DNA is not a template". How does be think the double helix works stereochemically ?Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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. JVL, The claim was made by Fred that there were no similarities between the gene system and language. BA responded that his claim was not true. You then asked for the evidence.
BA: FH made a grand and sweeping claim about “no overlap” whatsoever between human and DNA language which is now shown empirically to simply not be true. JVL: Okay, spell out the overlap then.
You now have your answer.Upright BiPed_{June 28, 2022
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. Fred, The challenge you yourself set up was to propose the steps that could lead an assumed RNA world to the extant DNA/Protein world. You proposed no steps.Upright BiPed_{June 28, 2022
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FH, DNA is not a template. There is no particular layout or chemical match of necessity between a given codon and a given AA. For illustration, there are about two dozen variants of the code. KF
No, it's arbitrary, exactly how JVL set it out so clearly upthread. There's one point of contention regarding aminoacyl tRNA synthetases and how they could have evolved. I suggest there is a conceivable evolutionary pathway via RNA World. I'm genuinely interested in pursuing that idea.Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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So _r, DNA is not a code, neither literally nor figuratively. Shall we have a vote?Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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@ _r I worked with a Jehovah's witness for a while. I asked why his religion demanded they knock on doors and try to convince folks to join. He explained there was no score card in obtaining recruits, you didn't have to succeed in getting converts, you only needed to have made an effort to pass on the news, something about passing on the blood guilt. He added there were only limited spaces (144,000?) so that's why he was happy to give up on me, a hopeless case. I did hear later he'd been convicted and incarcerated for sexual offenses against a minor but that may have been coincidental.Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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Hickson,
No symbolism in DNA templates.
You are dead wrong. Perry Marshall (the $10,000,000 OOL-price) debated this topic years ago, and made a very nice and informative page about this, explaining/proving that: DNA is a literal code, a language. Here you go: https://evo2.org/dna-atheists/dna-code/ So Hickson, DNA is a literal code. It is a fact. Get over it.martin_r_{June 28, 2022
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JVL, it is the real issue and it is decisive. KFkairosfocus_{June 28, 2022
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FH, DNA is not a template. There is no particular layout or chemical match of necessity between a given codon and a given AA. For illustration, there are about two dozen variants of the code. KFkairosfocus_{June 28, 2022
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@ _r Relax, enjoy your life. Your not being convinced by evolutionary theory is not an issue.Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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Fred Hickson: did I say, I like your style, JVL. Flattery will get you everywhere.JVL_{June 28, 2022
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Hickson, as to RNA world ... with you people (Darwinists) it is always the same ... you perfectly know how it was, what to do, how it could be, lots of bold claims, lots of self-confidence, lots of "creationists are stupid", so why don't you guys go to your fancy labs and MAKE THAT RNA WORLD OR WHATEVER IS NEEDED WORKING ... FINALLY .... PLEASE SHOW US SOMETHING ... SHOW US ANYTHING ... After 150 years of Darwinism, WHAT DO YOU GOT TO SHOW US to support your bold claims on the origin of life ??? It is a grotesque ...martin_r_{June 28, 2022
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Kairosfocus: the issue is, could blind chance and mechanical necessity create a complex digital, symbolic communication system. That was not the issue or claim being discussed.JVL_{June 28, 2022
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Upright BiPed: You asked a question and were given the answer. You can either refute it or not. A claim was made by Bornagain77 that was not upheld. Let's start with that. Irrelevant to the fact. If a claim is made that there is something special or significant about the similarity between two forms of symbolic representation but it turns out that all such systems have the same aspects then it is absolutely relevant to the claim.JVL_{June 28, 2022
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I repeat that RNA World drives a coach and horses through your idea that aaRSs could not have evolved. Maybe I misunderstand your claim. Maybe you want to clarify.Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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. Fred, as before, if you have something to say,then say it.Upright BiPed_{June 28, 2022
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No symbolism in DNA templates. None. Again, may I suggest someone starts a designated thread on UB's definitive version of his hypothesis. PS, did I say, I like your style, JVL.Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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