Archaeologists believe they found the oldest Hebrew text in Israel – including the name of God

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June 27, 2022

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Correspondent Tal Heinrich writes at ALL ISRAEL NEWS:

The potentially history-changing lead tablet that was found at Mount Ebal may provide proof that the Israelites were literate when they entered the Holy Land.

The earliest Hebrew text to date may have been discovered in ancient Israel, according to archaeologist Dr. Scott Stripling and a team of international scholars.

The text appears to be an old curse inscribed with 40 Hebrew letters on a lead tablet. The finding, which could be one of the greatest archaeological discoveries ever, was announced at a press conference on Thursday in Houston, Texas.

Archaeological site at Mount Ebal, February 15, 2021. (Photo: Shomrim Al Hanetzach)

The proto-alphabetic Hebrew text was unearthed in December 2019 during excavations on Mount Ebal. Located near biblical Shechem – the modern-day Palestinian city of Nablus – the mountain is known from Deuteronomy 11:29 as a place of curses. It is believed to be the site where Joshua built an altar to the Lord, described in Joshua 8:31 as “an altar of unhewn stones, upon which no man had lifted up any iron.”

The roughly 2×2 centimeters folded-lead curse tablet includes the acronym of God, YHVH, as well as the Hebrew word arur, which means “cursed.” Archaeologists believe it dates to the Late Bronze Age (circa 1,200 BC), based on analysis of the scans and lead analysis of the artifact.
According to the Times of Israel, the discovery would be the first attested use of the name of God in the Land of Israel. This may also reveal that Israelite literacy has been evident centuries before previously proven. If the date is verified, it means the Israelites were literate when they entered the Holy Land and therefore could have written the Bible since some of the events documented took place.

“This is a text you find only every 1,000 years,” Haifa University Prof. Gershon Galil told the Times of Israel. Galil helped decipher the hidden internal text of the folded lead tablet based on high-tech scans conducted by the academy. The advanced technology was used in order to avoid destroying the tablet when trying to open it.
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In fact, show me where symbolism is involved in machine code. The concept is in your head, not in the workings of the computer.Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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KF, fine but nothing to do with DNA and metabolism. Show me where there is symbolism in metabolism.Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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FH, your answer tells me no, Fortran is high level language, typical machine code is 1s and 0s or hex codes equivalent to same; the Russians did at least one series of computers using ternary elements. I loved my old 6809E. There is no need for there to be deep understanding accessible to us as to what the particular stringing will do, any more than for the code in autocad to specify the function of the machine being drawn; that is the designer's business. The code says, initiate, add methionine, add next aa, etc, instructing the robosome-tRNA system using mRNA [often edited] to assemble AA chains, and of course there are the stop codons implementing halt. We have here SVO, key elements of sentences. Further, we have algorithms at machine readable level, with start, steps, halting. Your demand for a dictionary on sophisticated polymenr chemistry is a red herring distraction. KF PS, As for symbolism, you full well know the use of three letter codons and how tRNA's are loaded with AA on the CCA end, the AARS specifying which AA for which tRNA [the CCA tip is universal so chemically any AA is compatible with any tRNA] , that is not a serious objection. The code is in the sequence of bases and codons. As has been on the table for 50 - 70 years, and as UB has pointed out also, much less any number of works.kairosfocus_{June 28, 2022
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KF, I'll make it easy for you. I'll assume for the moment that human language involves symbols (I'm far from convinced about this but as I see no connection between human language and DNA sequences, let it drop). What symbolism is there in the process of DNA to protein transcription/translation?Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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FH, have you ever written a serious piece of machine code?
Yes, I'm old enough to have written Fortran on punched cards for an IBM mainframe. When you have a computer program which can predict protein sequences that will result in protein functions... But from the small sample of what you write here that I read, I get the impression your understanding of molecular biology is slight. This perhaps is why you are drawn to this unhelpful comparison.Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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FH, have you ever written a serious piece of machine code? If you have and if you were fair, you would agree that we are looking at machine code here, expressive of algorithms with initialisation, start, stepwise succession and halting. You may find this hard to swallow, but that is language, it is symbolic representation of subjects, objects and actions to be taken, using glyphs. It makes no difference to the code level that the hardware is molecular nanotech by someone expert in polymer chemistry and physics. This should not be in the remotest degree controversial in an information age, but we can take this as the move of hyperskepticism in absence of any reasonable means to assign design to blind chance and mechanical necessity, as in your stunt on oh the environment is the designer. KF PS, Wikipedia concedes:
A language is a structured system of communication. The structure of a language is its grammar and the free components are its vocabulary. Languages are the primary means of communication of humans, and can be conveyed through speech (spoken language), sign, or writing. Many languages, including the most widely-spoken ones, have writing systems that enable sounds or signs to be recorded for later reactivation. Human language is unique among the known systems of animal communication in that it is not dependent on a single mode of transmission (sight, sound, etc.), is highly variable between cultures and across time, and affords a much wider range of expression than other systems.[1]
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Arguing about what a language is is a waste of energy. You can use "DNA language" to refer to DNA sequences if you like. When I use language, I am referring to "human language". There is no overlap between human language and DNA language. None.Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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FH, "the genetic code is still not a language." Yet,
As for any other language, the language of DNA is composed of an alphabet and grammar. Four letters (base pairs) make up the genetic alphabet: A, T, G, C; and a gene is nothing more than a word, that is a sequence of those letters like TCGATTAGG… http://www.fetfx.eu/story/do-you-speak-dna/
Moreover, Darwinists are clueless as to how the genetic code, much less the 'language' of the genetic code, came about. In fact, there is a 10 million dollar prize being offered for the first person who can prove that unguided material processes can produce a code.
An incentive prize ten times the size of the Nobel – believed to be the largest single award ever in basic science – is being offered to the person or team solving the largest mystery in history: how genetic code inside cells got there, and how cells intentionally self-organize, communicate, then purposely adapt. This $10 million challenge, the Evolution 2.0 Prize can be found at www.evo2.org.,,, "A germ resisting antibiotics does more programming in 12 minutes than a team of Google engineers can do in 12 days," said Marshall. "One blade of grass is 10,000 years ahead of any computer. If a single firm in Silicon Valley held a fraction of the secrets of this natural code inside a single cell, they'd set the NASDAQ on fire. Organisms self-edit and reprogram in real time in a way that dwarfs anything manmade. If we crack this, it will literally change the course of aging, disease, A.I. and humanity." https://www.prnewswire.com/in/news-releases/evolution-2-0-prize-unprecedented-10-million-offered-to-replicate-cellular-evolution-875038146.html
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BA77 But the genetic code is still not a language. Can you explain, in your own words, what connects the sequences found in the DNA of living organisms and the metabolism of those organisms and how that is analogous to human language?Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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FH, "The genetic code,,, is not a langage. This is a misleadingly and distractingly poor analogy." Fred, Denial is NOT a river in Egypt.
Information Theory, Evolution, and the Origin of Life - Hubert P. Yockey, 2005 Excerpt: “Information, transcription, translation, code, redundancy, synonymous, messenger, editing, and proofreading are all appropriate terms in biology. They take their meaning from information theory (Shannon, 1948) and are not synonyms, metaphors, or analogies.” http://www.cambridge.org/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=9780521802932&ss=exc The Digital Code of DNA - 2003 - Leroy Hood & David Galas Excerpt: The discovery of the structure of DNA transformed biology profoundly, catalysing the sequencing of the human genome and engendering a new view of biology as an information science. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v421/n6921/full/nature01410.html Denying the Signature: Functional Information Is the Fact to Be Explained - Stephen C. Meyer - November 19, 2015 Excerpt: As my colleague Casey Luskin has established, no serious biologist post-Watson and Crick has denied that DNA and RNA contain functional information expressed in a digital form -- information that directs the construction of functional proteins (and editing of RNA molecules). Thus, contra Bishop and O'Connor, my characterization of DNA and RNA as molecules that store functional or specified information is not even remotely controversial within mainstream biology. Nor is my judgment controversial that the gene expression system (the system by which proteins are synthesized in accord with the information stored on the DNA molecule) constitutes an information processing system. That is what the network of proteins and RNA molecules involved in the gene-expression system do: They process (that is copy, translate, and express) the information stored within the DNA molecule. The information processing systems present in the cell may well be much more precise than those that human computer engineers have designed, but that does not mean that describing the gene expression system as an information processing system is inaccurate. Describing the gene expression system as an information processing system is not to employ a metaphor. It is to describe what the system does -- again, to process (or express) genetic information. ,,, http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015/11/denying_the_sig_2101021.html Complex grammar of the genomic language – November 9, 2015 Excerpt: The ‘grammar’ of the human genetic code is more complex than that of even the most intricately constructed spoken languages in the world. The findings explain why the human genome is so difficult to decipher,,, ,,, in their recent study in Nature, the Taipale team examines the binding preferences of pairs of transcription factors, and systematically maps the compound DNA words they bind to. Their analysis reveals that the grammar of the genetic code is much more complex than that of even the most complex human languages. Instead of simply joining two words together by deleting a space, the individual words that are joined together in compound DNA words are altered, leading to a large number of completely new words. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151109140252.htm
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Perhaps that is a challenge for ID proponents; write the ID handbook, the predictor that equates DNA sequences to protein functions, before the fact.Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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There is no dictionary to look up DNA sequences that tell us what the properties of the protein synthesized from that template will have. We only know what that is when the protein is synthesized and in an environment where its functions can be assessed, or as with evolution, selected by that environment.Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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KF The genetic code, practically universal in organisms that exist today, is not a langage. This is a misleadingly and distractingly poor analogy.Fred Hickson_{June 28, 2022
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BA77 [attn FH et al}: The problem is actually much deeper. The first text, we can trace through the cells in our bodies, i.e. the string data structure algorithmic D/RNA code in our cells. This points to Chapter zero of earth history, history being a reasoned, objective account of the past on evidence, primarily textual evidence. Computer code, reflecting language and goal directed stepwise process, further based on deep understanding of polymer chemistry and physics. This, in a cosmos fine tuned for c-chem, aqueous medium, cell based life. That speaks to design of cosmos, of world, of cell based life, of forms of cell based life including our own. Transformative, given the dominant a priori Lewontin-style evolutionary materialistic scientism of recent generations. KFkairosfocus_{June 28, 2022
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Fred Hickson, if you are somehow trying to support an 'evolutionary' account for the origin of human language, you are going to be sorely disappointed. An impressive who’s who list of leading ‘Darwinian’ experts in the area of language research, after decades of extensive research, authored a paper in which they honestly admitted that they have, "a poverty of evidence, with essentially no explanation of how and why our linguistic computations and representations evolved."
Leading Evolutionary Scientists Admit We Have No Evolutionary Explanation of Human Language - December 19, 2014 Excerpt: Understanding the evolution of language requires evidence regarding origins and processes that led to change. In the last 40 years, there has been an explosion of research on this problem as well as a sense that considerable progress has been made. We argue instead that the richness of ideas is accompanied by a poverty of evidence, with essentially no explanation of how and why our linguistic computations and representations evolved.,,, (Marc Hauser, Charles Yang, Robert Berwick, Ian Tattersall, Michael J. Ryan, Jeffrey Watumull, Noam Chomsky and Richard C. Lewontin, "The mystery of language evolution," Frontiers in Psychology, Vol 5:401 (May 7, 2014).) Casey Luskin added: “It's difficult to imagine much stronger words from a more prestigious collection of experts.” http://www.evolutionnews.org/2014/12/leading_evoluti092141.html
As Robert Berwick & Noam Chomsky noted elsewhere, "The human language faculty is a species-specific property, with no known group differences and little variation.,,, There is no evidence that great apes, however sophisticated, have any of the crucial distinguishing features of language and ample evidence that they do not.48 Claims made in favor of their semantic powers, we might observe, are wrong."
The Siege of Paris - Robert Berwick & Noam Chomsky - March 2019 Excerpt: Linguists told themselves many stories about the evolution of language, and so did evolutionary biologists; but stories, as Richard Lewontin rightly notes, are not hypotheses, a term that should be “reserved for assertions that can be tested.”4 The human language faculty is a species-specific property, with no known group differences and little variation. There are no significant analogues or homologues to the human language faculty in other species.5,,, How far back does language go? There is no evidence of significant symbolic activity before the appearance of anatomically modern humans 200 thousand years ago (kya).22,,, There is no evidence that great apes, however sophisticated, have any of the crucial distinguishing features of language and ample evidence that they do not.48 Claims made in favor of their semantic powers, we might observe, are wrong. Recent research reveals that the semantic properties of even the simplest words are radically different from anything in animal symbolic systems.49,,, Why only us?,,, We were not, of course, the first to ask them. We echo in modern terms the Cartesian philosophers Antoine Arnauld and Claude Lancelot, seventeenth-century authors of the Port-Royal Grammar, for whom language with its infinite combinatorial capacity wrought from a finite inventory of sounds was uniquely human and the very foundation of thought. It is subtle enough to express all that we can conceive, down to the innermost and “diverse movements of our souls.” https://inference-review.com/article/the-siege-of-paris Robert Berwick is a Professor in the Laboratory for Information and Decision Systems at MIT. Noam Chomsky is Institute Professor and Professor of Linguistics (Emeritus) at MIT.
What is more interesting still about the fact that humans have a unique ability to understand and create information, (and have come to ‘master the planet’ precisely because of our ability to infuse immaterial information into material substrates), is the fact that, due to advances in science, both the universe and life itself, are now found to be ‘information theoretic’ in their foundational basis.
"The most fundamental definition of reality is not matter or energy, but information–and it is the processing of information that lies at the root of all physical, biological, economic, and social phenomena." Vlatko Vedral - Professor of Physics at the University of Oxford, and CQT (Centre for Quantum Technologies) at the National University of Singapore, and a Fellow of Wolfson College
And just like Darwinists have no clue how humans acquired language, (and as ID proponents have been pointing out to Darwinists for years), Darwinists also have no realistic clue how the 'language' in DNA got there.
Information Enigma (Where did the information in life come from?) - - Stephen Meyer - Doug Axe - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA-FcnLsF1g Complex grammar of the genomic language – November 9, 2015 Excerpt: The ‘grammar’ of the human genetic code is more complex than that of even the most intricately constructed spoken languages in the world. The findings explain why the human genome is so difficult to decipher –,,, ,,, in their recent study in Nature, the Taipale team examines the binding preferences of pairs of transcription factors, and systematically maps the compound DNA words they bind to. Their analysis reveals that the grammar of the genetic code is much more complex than that of even the most complex human languages. Instead of simply joining two words together by deleting a space, the individual words that are joined together in compound DNA words are altered, leading to a large number of completely new words. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151109140252.htm
It is hard to imagine a more convincing scientific proof that we are ‘made in the image of God’, than finding that both the universe and life itself are ‘information theoretic’ in their foundational basis, and that we, of all the creatures on earth, uniquely possess an ability to understand and create information, and, moreover, have come to ‘master the planet’, not via brute force as is presupposed in Darwinian thought, but precisely because of our ability to infuse immaterial information into material substrate. Verses
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made. In Him was life, and that life was the Light of men.
Of course, a more convincing proof that we are made in the image of God could be if God Himself became a man, walked on water, healed the sick, raised the dead, and then defeated death itself on a cross in order to prove that he was God. And that just so happens to be precisely the proof that is claimed within Christianity.
Shroud of Turin: From discovery of Photographic Negative, to 3D Information, to 3-D Hologram - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-TL4QOCiis The evidence for the Shroud's authenticity keeps growing stronger. (Timeline of facts) - November 08, 2019 What Is the Shroud of Turin? Facts & History Everyone Should Know - Myra Adams and Russ Breault https://www.christianity.com/wiki/jesus-christ/what-is-the-shroud-of-turin.html
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1200BC? Humans have been leaving their marks long before that https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-writing and they've been signing their paintings long before that.Fred Hickson_{June 27, 2022
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"The potentially history-changing lead tablet that was found at Mount Ebal may provide proof that the Israelites were literate when they entered the Holy Land." This highlights a HUGE difference between the evolutionary view of man and the biblical view of humans. Evolutionists tell us that early man were stupid, half-evolved, ignorant beings who spent hundreds of thousands of years in caves before one of them finally came up with the idea of farming and riding horses, etc. They talked with grunts early on as language slowly developed, etc. But the Bible gives us a totally different picture of the first humans. They could speak and write from early on. They were farmers from the beginning and metal workers, musicians, city builders, etc from early on. They were not ignoramuses living in caves with a half evolved monkey brain and speaking ability. Whether or not this particular archeological find provides clear evidence that the Israelites were literate when they entered the Promised Land or not, that is what the Bible records. Humans were humans from the beginning created in the image of God, able to have a relationship with Him and with each other from the beginning - which included language and writing.tjguy_{June 27, 2022
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Dear Paxx, There is only one supreme being - God. There cannot be more than one supreme being. If there were more than one supreme being then they, he, she, it etc. wouldn't be supreme. So, not God. Thanks for playing!ronvanwegen_{June 27, 2022
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You mean Israel's god. There are lot of gods with different names.Paxx_{June 27, 2022
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