BREAKING: After Prof Raoult’s 78 of 80 success ratio test, France approves [Hydroxy?]Chloroquine for Covid-19

I'm waiting for the guy with a cart and a bell. ET

I miss read that my apologies AaronS1978

Aaron, if you would go back and look you would see that I said death toll. You’re confusing it with death rate, which I didn’t comment on, because there are too many uncertainties. Jim Thibodeau

@9 Not really, You’re missing a few other goodies, There’s a great deal many people that carry the disease and are asymptomatic. They are not being tested and therefore not being recorded, they will more than likely recover on their own. This can will greatly skew the number of people that died versus the number of people infected and the number of people recovered. Second, both in Italy and Spain have older populations which have shown to be far more susceptible to the disease, this is also greatly skewing the percentile of death. Those two countries alone are almost single-handedly at fault for the total percentage going up by two points, due to the number of casualties they I’ve had. No one else has had those types of casualties So take that into consideration and realize that the numbers aren’t as bad I am not minimizing the situation but I am trying to Keep things straight AaronS1978

seversky:

This is what most alarms me, that, far from the Utopian ideals of the Star Trek future...

That Star Trek future was borne from a war-torn world. A world in which the governments of today no longer exist. So maybe this is the beginning of that... ET

Nytimes:

Countries across Western Europe, which have some of the oldest populations in the world, are struggling to protect the most vulnerable among their aging people — while also acknowledging that the crisis among the elderly, particularly in nursing homes, might be far worse than anyone knows yet. In Italy, authorities have conceded that their coronavirus death toll did not include those who had died at home or in nursing homes. Similarly in France, officials have said that only those who died in hospitals had been recorded as pandemic-related — a practice they said would change in the coming days.

So the real death toll is higher than the numbers. Jim Thibodeau

Speaking of France, it is worse than we think. Italy and France just said that only people who died in hospitals were recorded as Covid deaths. People who died in their homes or in nursing homes we’re not counted as such. Jim Thibodeau

Yes, Didier Raoult says darwinian evolution is p**p. And he has been religiously attacked for saying so. Like poor Thomas Nagel. D. Raoult is the more prolific French scientist, anytime, in any field. https://www.thethirdwayofevolution.com/people/view/didier-raoult Truthfreedom

Might I suggest that Didier Raoult might just have a clue about what he is talking about?

Expertise in Communicable Diseases: Worldwide In each column, black bars show the relative amount of expertise for each place or person. Longer is better. For example, D Raoult is the top-rated expert in Communicable Diseases in the world. http://expertscape.com/ex/communicable+diseases Expertise in Communicable Diseases: Didier Raoult Top 0.0014% ... of 71,719 published authors worldwide on Communicable Diseases ... from 2010 through 2020 ... based on contributions to 71 articles on the topic. http://expertscape.com/au/communicable+diseases/Raoult%2C+D

And again, I remind that Didier Raoult is a "Furious Darwin Doubter" who is a member of James Shapiro's "Third Way" group:

The “Most Productive and Influential Microbiologist in France” Is a Furious Darwin Doubter https://evolutionnews.org/2012/03/the_most_produc/ Didier Raoult https://www.thethirdwayofevolution.com/people/view/didier-raoult

bornagain77

Sev, there is now a SERIES of tests that are consistently showing effectiveness; the odds of all being by accident instead are falling exponentially. Raoult is like France's no 1 on this sort of thing, leading a well known institute. The NY tests started like Tue last, so maybe in several days. Something like seven pharma firms are working to produce, talk is 250 million tabs by mid April. FDA gave initial, experimental approval March 19. What we need to be doing is discussing how this shifts stance on epidemic management and degree of economic and societal hit that is reasonable. Also, we need to be looking at epistemology and logic, also at the polarisation and media games we have seen. KF kairosfocus

This is encouraging. If other larger trials produce similar results then this may be just what we need. We still need to be cautious, though. The history of pharmaceutical research has many examples of initially promising therapeutic agents which came to nothing subjected to full clinical trails.

However, this case raises further deeply troubling questions about media party-lines, polarization, hostility, belittling, demonization, how we form opinions and how we seek out and respond to the balance of evidence and argument. We need to have a fresh conversation on such matters, on a far broader basis than just this case.

I agree but it requires a willingness, on both sides of a partisan divide, to reach out across the gap and discuss differences honestly and fairly. That will not happen where you have political leadership that finds partisan advantage in inflaming the passions that divide people. That will not happen where the "other" is demonized as the root of all evil: where atheists see all Christians as being as extreme as the Westboro Baptist Church or, at least, as akin to white nationalists or Christians view atheists as amoral communists/socialists more despicable than pedophiles. There is a great deal of unwarranted hostility to overcome but frankly I don't see anyone in the current generation of political leadership that is willing or able to transcend these differences for the greater good of the country or humanity as a whole. This is what most alarms me, that, far from the Utopian ideals of the Star Trek future, we may be constitutionally incapable as a species of overcoming the instinctive prejudices that divide us. Seversky

Must be fake news. :roll: ET

See the summary here https://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2020/03/29/hydroxychloroquine-help-is-on-the-way-n2565926?utm_source=thdailypm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl_pm&newsletterad=&bcid=460e172054b5501eabf8e69ca6331ed9&recip=2101321 kairosfocus

BREAKING: After Prof Raoult’s 78 of 80 success ratio test, France approves [Hydro?]Chloroquine for Covid-19 kairosfocus