Possibly struggling to survive, New Scientist claims there is a 2500 year struggle between God and the multiverse:
Modern physics has also wrestled with this “fine-tuning problem”, and supplies its own answer. If only one universe exists, then it is strange to find it so hospitable to life, when nearly any other value for the gravitational or cosmological constants would have produced nothing at all. But if there is a “multiverse” of many universes, all with different constants, the problem vanishes: we’re here because we happen to be in one of the universes that works.More.
The rest is an avoidable paywall.
Put simply, the multiverse idea only ever got started because New Scientist types needed a universe that originated randomly. It never had any other existence anywhere ever.
See also: The multiverse
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Multiverse vs God?
Well since the game is always being played on God’s home field, since the Multiverse, besides not having a real home field to play on, has no evidence that it will ever have a real home field to play on, then I would definitely say that God has the home field advantage over the imaginary multiverse field of atheists.
Moreover, unlike the multiverse for which we have no evidence, save for in the imagination of atheists, Christians actually do have strong scientific support for their Theistic claim of a higher heavenly dimension and of a lower hellish dimension. This strong evidence comes from two of our most rigorously tested theories in science. i.e. Special and General Relativity respectfully.
Verse and Music:
This is a typical example of how Materialists deal with data that does not fit their theory. They invent invisible entities to explain the data or perhaps they think up ad hoc explanations.
Other invisible entities that have been invoked to rescue some of their theories include dark matter, dark energy, and dark radiation, hyper inflation, etc.
The theory (the paradigm) is sacred.
Concerning dark matter: http://creation.com/dark-matte.....-carmelian
If randomness can “do anything and everything” then it can explain nothing.
Randomness of the gaps.
Well said all . . .
Hmmm. God vs a God-like multiverse. Kronos is your name. But the Greek goddess Entropia knows how to deal with Kronos. 😉
mike1962, your observation reminds me of a similar one:
“Darwinism can explain anything, but successfully predicts nothing.”
-Q
It seems to me that the multiverse theory requires that there are limits to the universes and/or that it is impossible for the universes to interact with each other…. otherwise… with the infinite possibilities, to play the multuiverse advocate’s game, for every universe there will have to be a universe that exists that will have properties that instantly destroy the other before it could possibly allow for life to exist.
..so..
Doesn’t this mean the multiverse or universe generator would need to be fine tuned in some way(s)? 😉
Yes JGuy, that could indeed be used—if needed—to explain why these other universes aren’t detectable.
But then, there could also be a randomly generated universe for each of these universe—anti-universe pairs that stabilizes them just long enough for life to come to exist . . . 😛
-Q
Querius. I will invoke from the infinite grab bag, since we can do that in the multiverse, other ways to break it and to counter all your antidote universes. Sure, you could invoke a special counter to the counter, but how many ways are there to break a thing than to fix it? 😀
I used this argument before long ago. Let’s say these destroyer univeses exist… in fact, let’s invoke a destroyer particle. It will enter a universe and destroy it instantly. There are an infinite number of these and they can travel far far faster than light. If the multiverse is real, it seems it almost must be true that everything can be… right? Well, isn’t that the game the naturalists play withthe multiverse? The impossible becomes possible..the possible becomes probable..the probable certain. 😛
As such, one of these particles/universes should enter our universe right now and extinct us all in a moment.. but (assuming you are reading this still) we are still here. Therefore, these killer universes don’t exist. Perhaps, that is so because the multi-verse does not exist. 😀
JGuy,
Yes, exactly.
Generating imaginative hypotheses is fine when followed by rigorous experiments, but it seems that speculation is sufficient, even considered irrefutable proof, when invoked in defense against evidence that seems to falsify the current narrative.
The multiverse idea is exactly one of those examples, and is not fundamentally any different from the claim of a trans-dimensional cosmic tortoise laying eggs that become universes.
-Q
Good one!
The possibilities to explain the phenomenon are endless! All it takes is a good imagination.
More and more, it is becoming impossible to be a scientist working in the realm of historical science where you try to explain what happened in the distant unobservable untestable past unless you have a very active imagination!
LOL Q:
“The multiverse idea is exactly one of those examples, and is not fundamentally any different from the claim of a trans-dimensional cosmic tortoise laying eggs that become universes.”
It’s turtles all the way down! 🙂
gif – trans-dimensional cosmic tortoise
http://i.imgur.com/QTEpjry.gif
Hmmm. My guess is that Querius has read Terry Pratchett’s “The Light Fantastic” – true?
Q –
“The multiverse idea is exactly one of those examples, and is not fundamentally any different from the claim of a trans-dimensional cosmic tortoise laying eggs that become universes.”
Funny. And to compound the humour a bit… if given the infinitude of possibilities in an infinite multiverse with say the unlimited ways it could vary, it seems that that tortoise would very likely exist. 😛 …. In connection to the idea of infinite (or infinitesimal) things and tortoises… let’s call her Zeno… or is Zena better?
jdk,
Actually, I watched and enjoyed The Colour of Magic, a TV adaptation. But the cosmic turtle and cosmic egg mythologies didn’t originate with Terry Pratchett.
The point is that there’s a lack of any scientific evidence for the multiverse. It is pure fantasy that passes for science.
But you’ve given me an idea.
From now on in discussions of the origin of the Big Bang, I will insist that a better explanation is the cosmic turtle hypothesis—that a cosmic turtle, one among many, is the origin of the cosmic egg that started our universe.
There are several reasons that the Cosmic Turtle (CT) hypothesis is superior to the multiverse alternative:
(1) It disallows two or more Big Bangs from occurring in the same place and time
(2) It disallows a Secondary Big Bang, SBB(tm), from occurring *within* our universe
(3) It enables the integration of Darwin’s Theory of Evolution to be applied to the Cosmic Turtle
(4) It promotes spiritual unity between Chinese, Indian, Native American, and scientific mythologies.
And Terry Pratchett, of course.
-Q
Smiles for tjguy, bornagain77, and JGuy. 😉
-Q