16 Replies to “Climate Change – Is CO2 the cause?

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    Frost122585 says:

    Davescott, thanks a lot for posting this. I have always had a great interest in this topic. One reason is that 99% of all people that are outraged about global warming are not scientists and have no way of knowing if its man made or not but talk as if they can see a title wave coming. Also just like with ID there is no room in the scientific community for uncommon dissent on this issue. I personally think the whole thing is a political movement against the industrialized world by ideologues of the left. Its a shame they still cant figure out that it’s industry that is making the world richer healthier and safer and that starting a green economy is only going slow progress down. I read a paper once by Patrick J. Michaels on Cato.com where he said that the IPCC of which he is a member, puts 3 times as much co2 into their computer simulations “just to be sure.” His point was that all of the global warming noise is based off of a worst case scenario that probably is not going to happen. But they never say that.

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    idnet.com.au says:

    This guy is an Aussie, what would he know? We have a new Prime Minister who is going to fix global warming so there!

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    Frost122585 says:

    I hope that was sarcastic idnet.com.

    Cant you see that the disinformation campaign against ID is virtually the same as the one on Global warming, that is stop the questioning deny the science. Here’s my prophetic view that is the antithesis to the global warming nuts view- One day in the not too distant future people will be sitting in their cars with their weak 2 cylinder hybrid engines stuck in the middle of the road by a foot of snow. It will be 5 degrees outside, their taxes will be ridiculously high and the price of gas will be higher thanks to inflation without any signs of dropping while at the same time the artic oil will still be untapped. At this point people will realize that they have been “had.” Don’t be a pawn of the media who’s only rule of ethics is “if it bleeds it reads.”

    or as Blake put it back in the 19th century

    “To the eyes of the Man of Imagination, Nature is Imagination itself. As a man is, So he Sees. As the Eye is formed, such are its Powers.”

    -Applies equally wll to the creation tale of DE.

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    allanius says:

    The global warming analogy to ID is highly relevant to the arguments being proffered by materialists in an attempt to justify denying tenure to Gonzales. One hears again and again, with a sniff of moral superiority, that Gonzales has not brought in enough grant money to satisfy his masters.

    Recall the following comment from MIT climate scientist Richard Lindzen in a Wall Street Journal opinion piece last year with regard to climatologists who question the alarmism surrounding anthropogenic global warming:

    “But there is a more sinister side to this feeding frenzy. Scientists who dissent from the alarmism have seen their grant funds disappear, their work derided, and themselves libeled as industry stooges, scientific hacks or worse. Consequently, lies about climate change gain credence even when they fly in the face of the science that supposedly is their basis.”

    Grant funds disappear for climatologists when they have the temerity to question the paradigm. This phenomenon reflects the spirit of crusaderism seen among the global warming true believers. Global warming has gone beyond science and acquired the characteristics of a religion, where unquestioning faith is demanded in order to protect its appearance of righteousness and perpetuate its zeal.
    Similarly, it is not surprising to find that an advocate of ID finds it difficult to secure grants. Materialism among the self-appointed elite is not merely science; it is regarded as a righteous cause, as Dawkins’ driveling jeremiad makes clear. Since the purse strings are held by true believers, the difficulty encountered by advocates of ID in securing outside funding is a foregone conclusion.

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    Joseph says:

    If greenhouse gases are considered a pollutant and water vapor is a greenhouse gas, then how can manufacturers of F-Cell cars say their product is pollutant-free?

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    russ says:

    Dave, I don’t know if you saw this on the Wall Street Journal editorial page:

    “THE SCIENCE OF GORE’S NOBEL”
    “What if everyone believes in global warmism only because everyone believes in global warmism?”

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/.....=110010947

    Their insight has been fruitful and multiplied: “Availability cascade” has been coined for the way a proposition can become irresistible simply by the media repeating it; “informational cascade” for the tendency to replace our beliefs with the crowd’s beliefs; and “reputational cascade” for the rational incentive to do so.

    Mr. Gore clearly understands the game he’s playing, judging by his resort to such nondispositive arguments as: “The people who dispute the international consensus on global warming are in the same category now with the people who think the moon landing was staged in a movie lot in Arizona.”

    Here’s exactly the problem that availability cascades pose: What if the heads being counted to certify an alleged “consensus” arrived at their positions by counting heads?

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    Frost122585 says:

    russ, ive been sayn it FOR YEARS!

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    vjtorley says:

    After watching Professor Carter’s four videos, I found myself wondering whether I had indeed been deceived by a load of media hype about the perils of global warming. Professor Carter pulls no punches and makes a powerful case that recent warming is probably no cause for public alarm, when viewed in its proper context: the Earth’s geological history over the past few million years.

    That said, I would warn global warming skeptics against trying to answer the believers’ challenge: “Well, if it’s not human beings who are causing the bulk of the warming, then what is?” Rather than attempting to account for recent warming trends by resorting to naturalistic explantions that are probably incorrect, such as sun spots or cosmic rays (see http://journals.royalsociety.o.....lltext.pdf ), skeptics of anthropogenic global warming would do better to candidly admit: “We don’t know yet what’s causing the warming. Climate is a very complex field of study. What we do know, on the basis of studying the Earth’s long history, is that the globe has been much hotter at various times in the past, and much colder at other times. Also, the Earth has heated up much faster at certain times in the past than it is doing now – and yet, life goes on.”

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    Joseph says:

    Let’s start this:

    Global warming is caused by all the hot air coming out of the global warming alarmists!

    News at 11….

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    DLH says:

    See Carter’s paper & slides at: The Myth of Dangerous Human-Caused Climate Change, R M Carter

    Besides numerous primary references, Carter provides:
    “RECOMMENDED WEB SITE LINKS
    The following URLs contain much useful discussion and many additional references on the pros and cons of human-caused global warming. Peer-reviewed literature on global warming has for many years been subject to a stifling conformity, whereby views that differ from the IPCC alarmist consensus are suppressed or otherwise discounted. Achieving a balanced view on climate change therefore demands that an interested party seek out the sort of informed but informal discussion that can be found amongst the following links:”

    * Bob Carter’s biography: http://members.iinet.net.au/glrmc/index.htm
    Tom Nelson, critical analysis of the CO warming issue: http://brneurosci.org/co2.html
    Roger Pielke’s blog on climate issues: http://climatesci.colorado.edu
    Senator James Inhofe, climate issues: http://epw.senate.gov/public/i.....rity.Blogs
    • John McLean, analysis and links on climate change:http://mclean.ch/climate/global_warming.htm
    Bob Carter, analysis and links on climate change: http://members.iinet.net.au/glrmc/new_page_1.htm

    Francis Massen, news, analysis and links on climate change: http://meteo.lcd.lu
    Steve McIntyre, critical analysis of the statistical basis of climate change issues: http://www.climateaudit.org
    NZ Climate Science Coalition, useful links and documents on climate change:
    Analysis and comment on climate-related issues:

    http://www.co2andclimate.org/climate
    Sherwood and Keith Idso, critical comment on climate-related issues, especially CO2 http://www.co2science.org
    Cooler Heads Coalition, thorough coverage of climate news:
    Peter Glover, analysis and links on climate change:
    http://www.globalwarminghysteria.com
    An international group of climate experts with special strength in meteorology: http://www.icecap.us
    John Daly (dec), considered contrarian viewpoints on climate change: http://www.john-daly.com
    Lavoisier Group, discussion and useful links on greenhouse issues: http://www.nrsp.com/news.html
    PAGES, up-to-date data on ancient climate change: http://www.pages.unibe.ch/cgi-.....oducts.woa
    critical analysis of the ‘hockey-stick’ graph: http://www.uoguelph.ca/rmckitri/research/trc.html climate change science: http://www.warwickhughes.com
    Doug Hoyt, critical analyses of climate change science: http://www.warwickhughes.com/h.....change.htm
    Pat Michaels blog on climate issues:http://www.worldclimatereport.com

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    idnet.com.au says:

    WordPress has something against me. It hasn’t let me comment for many hours.

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    jerry says:

    idnet.com.au,

    Try Firefox as a browser. I switched to it and it works every time. Now I use a Mac and Safari was starting to fail everytime so on posting here. I do not know if Firefox for the PC will make a difference but it sure did on the Mac.

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    Robo says:

    Cheers 4 the post Dave!

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    jdd says:

    idnet and jerry,

    I have had the same problem with firefox as well.

    I have not found a solution yet.

    j

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    DaveScot says:

    Off topic: if you’re getting the “you’re posting too quickly” message it’s a server problem that WordPress doesn’t handle well. From my tinkering with the problem it appears that the clock on your PC is not synchronized with the clock on the UD server and this confuses WordPress into thinking you’re posting too quickly even if you hadn’t made a comment in days. A quick fix is to temporarily set the time/date on your PC ahead a month, make your comment(s), then correct the time on your PC when you’re done. It isn’t a persistent problem. It appears to go away when the server clock is updated from an external source which happens periodically.

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    Frost122585 says:

    why am i getting slow down when i havent posted in 48 hours?

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