DEVELOPING NEWS: San Bernardino incident may be [lone wolf/ independent Razzia/ Assassin Cult] IslamIST terrorism

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Here (video unlikely to embed at UD).

Live TV: http://livestream.com/accounts/9262780/events/3189705

Live radio: http://player.radio.com/listen/station/knx-1070-newsradio

U/D Dec 4, looks like we have pics of recovered weapons, looks like Semi-auto AR15s with stabilising front hand grips, low mag optical sights and two 9mm parabellum semiauto pistols:

Confirmation of explosive devices on live TV just now, that is not normal. END

PS: Links (Drudge?):

14 DEAD; 17 INJURED... Dressed in ski masks and military gear... KNBC-TV LIVE... KCAL-TV LIVE... KFI-AM LIVE... KNX-AM LIVE... AP LATEST... Active-shooter drills every month at Inland Regional Center... ISIS Extremists Celebrate Shootings With America Burning Hashtag...

PPS: The following was first observed on Sept 11 2001 on an Islamic Dawah site (subsequently vanished save in the web archives):

Notice the immediate zone, the action agenda and the after 100 years, i/l/o the Muslim Brotherhood 1982 The Project 100 year global conquest plan. (Go to p. 15 for English text.) Also, cf. the 1991 Explanatory Memo document. (English, from p. 15. Backstory on the 80 bankers boxes of documents capture here.)

Money shot clip from the MB 1991 Memo approved by the North America Arm and to have been submitted to leadership in Egypt:

“The process of settlement is a ‘Civilization-Jihadist Process’ with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”

PPPS: U/D Dec 17, a tale of two school systems in the face of mass shooting attacks:

Sorry to be a bit sharpish.

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F/N: This is so significant that I have added a follow up comment. __________ http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-30/swiss-army-chief-warns-social-unrest-calls-upon-citizens-arm-themselves >>As Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten reports [ --> link is at the above, the below is translated], speaking on the record for the first time since the November Paris terror attacks, Blattmann told the paper that despite a rise in security incidents over the past two years Switzerland’s means of defence were being reduced. The situation is growing increasingly risky, Blattman begins.
"The threat of terror is rising, hybrid wars are being fought around the globe [--> 4GW?]; the economic outlook is gloomy and the resulting migration flows of displaced persons and refugees have assumed unforeseen dimensions." Blattmann: "Social unrest can not be ruled out", the vocabulary in public discourse will "dangerously aggressive." "The mixture is increasingly unappetizing" Blattmann sees the basis of Swiss prosperity, "has long been once again called into question." He recalls the situation around the two world wars in the last century and advises Switzerland, to arm themselves. The Swiss Armed Forces had held many years ago maneuver, in which the starting point was focused on social unrest in Europe.
* * * Swiss politicians, of course, responded with disbelief to the army chief and hold his warnings are exaggerated.>> ____________ The head of the Swiss armed forces. KF PS: No, I do not endorse the site, I just happened to run across the point.kairosfocus_{December 31, 2015
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GE, you already have a source and you have far more than enough to make it clear that the major militant problem in Europe today is ISIS connected. (It is amazing that this direct implication given context seems to have been made into a pretext for a false accusation of lying; that speaks volumes -- again.) It seems this thread has now outlived reasonableness. KFkairosfocus_{December 21, 2015
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KF, Regarding the Keene, TX story, it's interesting that they announce this to the public:
Some parents fear that students could overpower a teacher carrying a weapon, but Keene ISD Superintendent Ricky Stephens said that will not be an issue because teachers in higher grades will not carry guns.
What ultimately matters is whether this makes the schools safer, so we will see.daveS_{December 21, 2015
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KF: ". So, even if the remarks as pointed out are half true..." Could you pleas point me to the one that quotes the chief as saying that 8000 ISIS soldiers have entered Germany as refugees? "There is indeed a significant concern of quite a few thousands of Islamist militants infiltrating Europe." Where is your reference for this. Or are you making it up like you did with the 8000 ISIS soldiers? And infiltrating? If they arrived as normal immigrants, or were born there, they didn't infiltrate anything. All this type of language does is incite hatred towards peaceful Muslims, who make up the vast majority of Muslims. Your use of decisive rhetoric is the same approach that Hitler used to justify the concentration camps. "So, even if the remarks as pointed out are half true,..." Why do you insist on propogating this lie? Well, there is no point continuing this discussion. The history of you lying on this issue is here for everybody to see. The fact that you don't see it, or are so blinded by hate that you refuse to see it, speaks volumes. [GE, you owe me an apology on a false accusation of lying. Game over.KF]George Edwards_{December 21, 2015
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Blank p/p problems: http://news.yahoo.com/jihadists-stole-tens-thousands-blank-passports-report-154955786.html;_ylt=AwrXgiO003ZWWEsA_z_QtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjR0MTVzBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwM3BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--kairosfocus_{December 21, 2015
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Keene, TX: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/20/school-district-approves-armed-teachers-provides-handguns/kairosfocus_{December 21, 2015
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Seversky: The Swiss model is relevant. See, I have made my own declaration and can just as effectively sweep away your views. Argument by assertion fails, in short. More to the point, the first relevance is the duty of defence of the community incumbent on all of its members. Secondly, we have a model of a highly effective trained and instantly ready armed force by way of citizens in arms, trusted to hold and be ready with weapons and equipment immediately available to them. From this, we can go to the challenge of needing a 10 s response when the police SWAT team is 10 - 30+ mins away. This requires response to razzias in situ, providing target hardening and instant response. The logical solution is citizens in arms, duly trained, organised, disciplined and equipped; right there all the time. As a serious alternative to "leave it to the hired professionals," on call 10 - 30+ minutes away. Note, Bataclan and SB. An organised Citizen Marshal service -and yes, voluntary], inherently embedded in factories and offices, schools, work forces in theatres, upgraded security guard contractors, etc would provide such. Which is a scenario to be considered, rather than brushed aside. Further to this, I see there is agreement that potential or actual infiltration of terrorists among a mass of poorly vetted refugees is a significant security concern. One that I don't find alleviated when I see reports of the SB black widow passing vetting. Beyond, the facts of Islamic eschatology are there and who need convincing that such are fantasy would be the Islamists, not me. There is a clear fact of a 100 year global subjugation plan 1982, and a civilisation jihad settlement strategy 1991. The Iranians see themselves as vanguards of Mahdi's army and that stories of 123th Imam re=-emerging from some cave or well after 1,000 years sounding outlandish does not change that. Their moves on ballistic missiles an nukes should give us serious pause. As should track record as no 1 state sponsor of terrorism. The map above, which I first saw on 9-11 itself documents a troubling geostrategic programme that fits geopolitical principles in the Africa as continental heartland variant too well for coincidence, especially given how fast Arab Spring became Islamist Winter. The very sweep of the immediate zone should ring alarm bells. Where, for many years I have been aware of intent that Africa be the first Islamic continent as a Dawah (and so also Jihad) goal. The global Dawah is backed by billions in oil money. And France has made itself a target by being heavily engaged in blocking the southward push from the Maghreb through much of the former zone of French colonies, now obviously partners with France in resisting the southward Jihadi push. Chad, Niger, Mali, Cameroon, and more. We may not be interested in 4th gen war (only a fool takes delight in war), but it looks like 4th gen war is interested in us. KFkairosfocus_{December 20, 2015
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GE, I have already responded, showing the substantial sources. There is indeed a significant concern of quite a few thousands of Islamist militants infiltrating Europe. Their particular labels are of little consequence, though ISIS has both been a focus for such, also having declared a Caliphate in a region eschatologically significant for Muslims, and drawing widespread declarations of loyalty tied to Islamic theology. Further there are reports pointing to ISIS influence or worse in refugee camps. So, even if the remarks as pointed out are half true, they are significant especially given the particular case of an apparently alienated former ISIS fighter warning of a blitz. Your haste to dismiss does not speak well, especially given tone problems. KF PS: I think you would be well advised to look at the problem of incompatible enclaves and linked concerns.kairosfocus_{December 20, 2015
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DS, I have no interest in your or anyone's opinion of WND, which is not a focal topic for this thread other than acting as a tangential distraction.Especially given the further context. KFkairosfocus_{December 20, 2015
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Brent: "Did you bother to think before posting this? If, in fact, the quote originally posted by KF is wrong,..." Not "if". It was clearly wrong. It is there for anyone to see. "why would you post something that is obviously and equally misleading?" At least KF quoted, apparently, someone who was, perhaps, a little careless with their wording. It wasn't the chief who was careless in his words. It was careless of KF not checking on the accuracy of the quote he posted. Especially when the implications are so huge. KF had the opportunity to simply acknowledge that he did not fact check the claim, but he didn't. As I mentioned, I am not trying to downplay the issue. If their were eight refugees caught entering Euorope with false passports, you can guarantee that there were many more that entered successfully. But that is a far cry from 8000. The chief's words were very clear to anyone who bothered to spend thirty seconds to do some fact checking. But the impression that KF is giving is that the 8000 from the false report fit his narrative, so he didn't perform his duty of care to the truth. Trust me, I wouldn't raise the issue if it were simply a small error in the number of ISIS soldiers entering Euorope as refugees. Eight, ten, fifty, they are all of concern. But when irresponsible people propogation false numbers as high as 8000, the result is a public resistance to accommodate the existing refugees in other countries. This only increases the suffering of thousands of innocent people, and further destabilizes the region.George Edwards_{December 20, 2015
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KF,
My marking that distinction should not be represented as I am not claiming that there seems to be a substantial point there, i.e. the suggestion in your phrasing points to there is no substance there.
Yes, my phrasing there was poor. I agree that there is a substantial point made in the Daily Mail article. What can you say about WND? They're just not very good at journalism.daveS_{December 20, 2015
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KF: "DS, I never claimed letter for letter exactitude or precision. Observe, if half so, a common phrase for if there is something significant to it." No. Your exact words were: " If it is halftrue...". But it turns out that it wasn't "half true". It wasn't even one third, one quarter or one tenth true. It was one one-thousandth true. You posted that 8000 ISIS soldiers came into Germany as refugees, where what was actually said was that eight refugees were identified coming in to Euorope using passports similar to the one used by one of the Paris attackers (I.e., most likely ISIS soldiers). These were easily clarified facts, but you didn't make the effort. I would like to think that this wasn't an intentional oversight, but your subsequent dissembling and blame-shifting is there for all observers to see. Nobody is downplaying the seriousness of the issue, but lying to make it appear more serious than it is does more harm than good. This just makes you an enabler of human suffering. Would you be so callous if the majority of refugees were Christian rather than Muslim?George Edwards_{December 20, 2015
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The Swiss model of a national defense strategy is largely irrelevant. It is designed to resist an attack by conventional armed forces not terrorists. I'm reasonably certain Swiss conscripts do not attend concerts, theaters, restaurants and bars with their service rifles slung over their shoulders. They would be no better prepared to take on terrorists than were the civilians in Paris or San Bernadino. If I were a police or intelligence officer I would have assumed from the beginning that jihadists would be trying to infiltrate Europe hidden amongst the flood of genuine refugees. I hope and believe that European police and security agencies, as a whole, are a lot smarter than I am and that there is a lot going on in th background of which we are completely unaware. As for apocalyptic visions of a global caliphate, I remind you of what the bystander said during the stabbing attack on the London Underground "You ain't no Muslim, bruv!" Or, to put it another way, ISIS ain't Islam. The extremists do not speak for all Muslims and there are deep divisions within the faith as a whole just as there are in Christianity. German Nazis and Russian communists got much closer to achieving ambitions of world domination than ISIS ever will and they are both gone. There are some measures that could be taken to improve security around soft targets but it is highly unlikely that all attacks can be stopped. There has to be a cost-benefit analysis. A restaurant, for example, could consider hiring armed guards and installing bullet-proof glass, blast-deflectors and metal-detectors. But if the cost of those measures is so high that it would drive them out of business then that rather defeats the object not the terrorists. And, as we've said before, if that restaurant did go to those lengths, the terrorists could simply look elsewhere for a soft target and there would always be plenty of those.Seversky_{December 20, 2015
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George @492,
Not even half true. In fact, only 1/1000 true. And for all of Europe, not just Germany. European authorities have identified eight assylum seekers trying to enter Europe on forged passports similar to the one found on one of the dead Paris attackers. Eight in all of Europe is a far cry from 8000 in Germany alone.
Did you bother to think before posting this? If, in fact, the quote originally posted by KF is wrong, why would you post something that is obviously and equally misleading? At least KF quoted, apparently, someone who was, perhaps, a little careless with their wording. It could have been an honest mistake (or series of mistakes) by whoever did it. From 8,000 (7,900)radicals, in the context of a paragraph on Isis jihadis, to 8,000 Isis fighters isn't a huge leap. You, however, have no problem purposely doing what you are accusing those who KF only quoted as having done. Or do you not see how what you stated as "In fact, only 1/1000 true." does not follow from 8 "identified" "asylum seekers" "forged passports" "similar to the one found on "one" of the dead Paris attackers"? After all, 8 identified asylum seekers trying to enter Europe on forged passports similar to the one found on one of the dead Paris attackers --- quite a list of narrowing qualifications, eh --- is a far cry from only 8 Isis fighters in all of Europe. So . . . ?Brent_{December 20, 2015
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F/N: Following up 502: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12/30/armed-teachers-guards-key-to-school-security-in-israel.html http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Lott-guns-Connecticut-shooting/2012/12/15/id/467903/ http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB927233749927433053 KF PS:I add, yes that was done in another thread by an objector in this one. Also, you seem to be missing the difference between something with a serious point and claiming letter for letter accuracy. Infiltration is unsurprising, and it is a clear concern expressed with a relevant number by a responsible German Official. My marking that distinction should not be represented as I am not claiming that there seems to be a substantial point there, i.e. the suggestion in your phrasing points to there is no substance there. Which, with the patterns above should give you further pause; though you have not been personally abusive.kairosfocus_{December 20, 2015
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KF, Yes, I read the Muslim Brotherhood and "Explanatory Memorandum" documents. My response is that they are not very surprising. They're very consistent with what we in the USA have had drilled into our heads, especially in the last 14 years.
DS, I never claimed letter for letter exactitude or precision. Observe, if half so, a common phrase for if there is something significant to it.
Ok, as long as you are not asserting that the Geller piece is accurate, then I'll leave it at that.
The tone problem in the response and elsewhere (comparison of a serious scholar to a known fraud, von Daniken) also speak volumes. Maybe you need to begin to wonder if you are drifting into enabling territory. KF
It must have been someone else who mentioned von Daniken; I didn't see that post. Anyway, I'm interested in knowing the actual facts, not 3-year-old memes that have long been debunked, so pardon if I come across as strident here. I'm quite comfortable that I'm not enabling terrorists, thank you.daveS_{December 20, 2015
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DS, I never claimed letter for letter exactitude or precision. Observe, if half so, a common phrase for if there is something significant to it. I think I am seeing an attempt to find any minor issue to dismiss the whole, when I am in fact pointing to exactly the baby tossed with bathwater problem. The tone problem in the response and elsewhere (comparison of a serious scholar to a known fraud, von Daniken) also speaks volumes. Maybe you need to begin to wonder if you are drifting into enabling territory. KFkairosfocus_{December 20, 2015
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DS, have you as yet read the captured documents, and if so what is your response? KFkairosfocus_{December 20, 2015
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KF, I believe GE showed in #492 that the quote you posted was erroneous, based on a comparison with the Daily Mail's article, correct? The point that the blogger, Ron Cantor, makes is that the right-wing meme you posted is misleading. If you google 'Israeli teachers armed', you will find many sources which affirm this, referring to this particular photo.daveS_{December 20, 2015
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DS, If you read, you will findthe sources in a major UK newspaper and onward an Austrian source they cite, presumably in translation. As for arming of teachers and school staff in Israel, that traces to gun attacks on schools in the 70s IIRC. Not every teacher needs be armed, or openly carry weapons in the sensationalised terms of your source, packing heat and six shooters. Likewise, security guards on duty will not normally have handbags in hand, and the WW II era M1 0.30 carbine in use -- very recognisable form factor -- is a second line weapon, not likely to be typical armament for a professional guard. But it is perfect as a defensive weapon of light recoil and handiness for someone whose primary job is different, fitting with a teacher. Where there is a reasonable expectation of threat, there is armed protection, where also it is implicit that relevant teachers would have training likely under the conscription law and Swiss style nation in arms approach. Further to this, note what is happening in response to the wave of stabbing attacks. Sheepdogs with teeth where wolves are liable to be about. KFkairosfocus_{December 20, 2015
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KF, I just noticed that picture you added to the OP on 12/17, showing the supposed armed Israeli schoolteacher. Here is an article entitled "Are Israeli teachers armed?" which discusses whether or not they actually are, as well as gun control in general in Israel.daveS_{December 20, 2015
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KF,
Not the source parodied in a schoolyard level taunt.
GE has already gone over this. What is the actual main news source for the quote you posted?
The terrorist's story comes on the heels of reports by Hans-Georg Maasen, a federal police chief, that nearly 8,000 ISIS fighters have infiltrated Germany through its refugee program.
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F/N: Actual main news source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3335489/ISIS-radicals-planning-terror-attacks-Europe-entering-continent-hidden-migrants-says-German-police-chief.html >>ISIS radicals planning terror attacks in Europe ARE entering the continent hidden among migrants, says German police chief German police chief claims ISIS jihadis are entering Europe as migrants Hans-Georg Maasen said he believed they are planning 'combat missions' He also stated his office was aware of 7,900 radicals living in Germany The country's federal police receive several credible terror tips every week See full news coverage on ISIS at www.dailymail.co.uk/isis By Corey Charlton for MailOnline Published: 20:19 GMT, 26 November 2015 | Updated: 13:25 GMT, 27 November 2015 ISIS jihadis determined to carry out attacks in European cities are entering the continent hidden among migrants, a German police chief says. Hans-Georg Maasen, a federal police chief, claimed ISIS extremists hardened on the battlefields of Iraq and Syria are blending in with the migrants and are planning 'combat missions' in Europe. In the wake of the Paris attacks it was revealed several of the gunmen and suicide bombers - who helped slaughter 130 people - had reached the city via Greece posing as asylum seekers. According to the Austria Press Agency, Mr Maasen said his office was aware of almost 8,000 Islamic radicals in Germany . . . >> Not the source parodied in a schoolyard level taunt. KF PS: Cf: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3367966/Large-number-refugees-entering-Europe-security-risk-civil-war-makes-difficult-check-fake-Syrian-passports-says-head-EU-s-border-agency.htmlkairosfocus_{December 20, 2015
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GUN: Please scroll up to the OP and actually read the captured documents. Then explain to us the hundreds of no go zones and implications of civilisation jihad. KFkairosfocus_{December 20, 2015
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GE, we shall see. The declared intent of ISIS to do just that, I suppose does not count, nor does the vetting that the black widow of SB passed. Wake up to the realities of World War IV, and disturbing parallels i/l/o the declared settlement jihad strategy, the hundreds of no go enclaves already on the ground and linked captured documents — which do not seem to have registered with you. KF
I’m sure that’s just KF’s way of saying “Thanks for catching that George Edwards, I sure wouldn’t want to have been responsible for spreading misinformation. And I’ll be more careful of my sources in the future, especially those that rely on WND.” ;-)goodusername_{December 20, 2015
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KF, Did you see that pants-on-fire blog post from Pamela Geller that GE dissected is sourced from Wingnut Daily?daveS_{December 20, 2015
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KF: "GE, we shall see. The declared intent of ISIS to do just that, I suppose does not count, nor does the vetting that the black widow of SB passed. Wake up to the realities of World War IV, and disturbing parallels i/l/o the declared settlement jihad strategy, the hundreds of no go enclaves already on the ground and linked captured documents — which do not seem to have registered with you. KF" So, does that justify the intentional spreading of lies? ISIS states that they will imbed ISIS soldiers amongst the refugees so you think that it is acceptable to spread a false claim that 8000 ISIS soldiers have entered Germany. Isn't bearing false witness one of the Ten Commandments? Why don't you admit that you didn't bother to fact-check that quote? It is a mistake that we have all made. And just as easily rectified.George Edwards_{December 20, 2015
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GE, we shall see. The declared intent of ISIS to do just that, I suppose does not count, nor does the vetting that the black widow of SB passed. Wake up to the realities of World War IV, and disturbing parallels i/l/o the declared settlement jihad strategy, the hundreds of no go enclaves already on the ground and linked captured documents -- which do not seem to have registered with you. KFkairosfocus_{December 20, 2015
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Z, I suppose the inherent instabilities of dictatorships playing with nuke fire and the Arab Spring predictably going Islamist Winter and sitting by while soft skin vehicles are used in a Desert War type thrust from Syria into Iraq (by contrast with the bombing backed rebels of Libya) had nothing to do with it. KFkairosfocus_{December 20, 2015
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KF: "“Hans-Georg Maasen, a federal police chief, [says] that nearly 8,000 ISIS fighters have infiltrated Germany through its refugee program.” That’s a light division strength infiltration under cover of a refugee programme. If it is halftrue, that is serious. KF" Not even half true. In fact, only 1/1000 true. And for all of Europe, not just Germany. European authorities have identified eight assylum seekers trying to enter Europe on forged passports similar to the one found on one of the dead Paris attackers. Eight in all of Europe is a far cry from 8000 in Germany alone. What the chief said was that they were aware of 8000 radical Islamists currently living in Germany. He didn't say when they entered, where they came from, if they entered as refugees, if they entered through normal immigration channels, or if they were born in Germany. And he certainly didnt say that they were ISIS fighters. That is a far cry from saying that 8000 ISIS fighters have entered Germany through the refugee system. It is the dissemination of misquoted and irresponsible statements like the one posted by KF, without any attempt to check the facts, that spreads unnecessary fear and spawns hatred. And, even worse, it slows down or stops the provision of necessary support for thousands of innocent people who are suffering. Some might argue that KF posting this false statement is enabling the suffering of thousands of suffering people. Not intentionally, but through a lack of duty of care to the truth. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3335489/ISIS-radicals-planning-terror-attacks-Europe-entering-continent-hidden-migrants-says-German-police-chief.htmlGeorge Edwards_{December 20, 2015
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