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In Part 2 of 4, we look at a claim arising from a recent study: We blindly believe those we identify with, ignoring the wisdom of science:

Recently, a paper lamenting the decline of trust in science was discussed at ScienceAlert, a science news site. In representing the paper—doubtless accurately — for a lay audience, the write-up embodies the causes of legitimate public distrust…

We press on. The second point of four raised at ScienceAlert is that tribal loyalty is thought to create distrust in science: “‘Work on cultural cognition has highlighted how people contort scientific findings to fit with values that matter to their cultural identities,’ write Philipp-Muller and colleagues.” …

There seems to be no recognition here that researchers also have a tribal loyalty. The fact that they are fiercely competitive among themselves doesn’t change that. Just as businesses can be fiercely competitive among themselves but band together against unwelcome government regulations, researchers can unite against skepticism of their claims in general.

If the researchers’ response is, “We represent science,” one might ask, “Why, then, was the Wuhan lab origin of COVID-19 treated as a ‘conspiracy theory’ when it was in fact a reasonable hypothesis?” Anyone who has taken the trouble to study the situation will be aware that political considerations made the theory unpopular because — well, for one thing — the United States had been helping to fund the research.

News, “Researchers: Distrust of science is due to tribal loyalty” at Mind Matters News (July 18, 2022)

Sometimes — just sometimes — researchers’ attitudes are themselves the best argument against science one could think of.

Takehome: There seems to be no recognition that researchers, however fiercely competitive among themselves, also have a tribal loyalty that skews their judgment.

The paper, which requires a subscription, is “Why are people antiscience, and what can we do about it?” by Aviva Philipp-Muller, Spike W. S. Lee, and Richard E. Petty, July 12, 2022, PNAS 119 (30) e2120755119
https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2120755119

Here are all four parts of the series:

  1. Why many now reject science… do you really want to know? COVID demonstrated — as nothing else could — that the “science” was all over the map and didn’t help people avoid panic. As the panic receded, the U.S. government started setting up a disinformation board to target NON-government sources of panic, thus deepening loss of trust.
  2. Researchers: Distrust of science is due to tribal loyalty. In Part 2 of 4, we look at a claim arising from a recent study: We blindly believe those we identify with, ignoring the wisdom of science. There seems to be no recognition that researchers, however fiercely competitive among themselves, also have a tribal loyalty that skews their judgment.
  3. Researchers: If we tell folks more about science, they trust less. Part 3: The researchers argue that doubts about science arise from conflict with beliefs. The many COVID-19 debacles suggest other causes… Generally, the remedy for loss of trust after widespread failures is reform of the system, not reform of its doubters. Post-COVID, scientists should take heed.

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  1. Claim: If science were properly presented, trust would grow! The ideas examined in these four short essays all assume that scientists are exempt from the bias and self-interest that governs everyone else. We’re asked to believe that scientists are somehow exempt from the bias problem that they say is ingrained in our biology — yet they have the same biology as everyone else…
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Andrew at 58, Read the rules on international travel. Read the rules for going to any convention in the U.S. Read the rules for kids in schools. Trust me, I won't tell you about them myself. I'm not in charge of the operation.relatd
July 26, 2022
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"That’s the plan." Relatd, Seems like it. Let me know how it goes. Andrewasauber
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Andrew at 56, That's the plan. However, a multi-variant vaccine is in the works.relatd
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"David Kessler, chief science officer of the White House COVID-19 Response Team and a former FDA Commissioner, said that despite the historic feat of delivering 784 million doses (of which 601 million have been administered), there is consensus in the scientific community about the next steps. "We need vaccines with longer duration and greater breadth of protection," he said. "We don't know how this virus may continue to mutate and come back in a stronger form," Kessler added." https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fauci-on-needing-a-second-generation-of-covid-vaccines-we-have-multiple-variants-of-concern-and-it-s-getting-more-complicated/ar-AA100e7g?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=06b262737dc048f18f81d97c2672b99d" So despite the effective jab that you know works well, you'll need yet more different jabs. Huh. Andrewasauber
July 26, 2022
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"Is that really the point?" JVL, You brought it up as a point. I'm just asking if the point is evidential or is it just assumed. Andrewasauber
July 26, 2022
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Asauber: Any how do we tell if great masses of people we’ve never met knew how vaccines worked? Is that really the point? Are you going to judge the authorities and the scientists based on how the great masses of people, who have access to the internet and tons of data and reports and such, reacted? Is that your criteria? It sounded to me that you were judging the truth based on what the common perception was. That doesn't sound very sound to me. What is actually accurate and our best knowledge based on the evidence we have? Should we base that on what some news source says? Should we base that on what some politician says? Should we base that on some blog post or youtube video? Perhaps we should, at least, look at the actual data as has been produced by the medical professionals and scientific practitioners and modellers who are looking at the real results based on real studies and proper surveys. Is that a controversial or suspect position to take? Shall we, you and I, take a stand for real data and real results, knowing that they are always provisional and subject to change because new data always comes in? And shall we agree to consider all of the data that is available, to not give undue preference to any particular study over all the other information? Is that not the logical and scientific approach?JVL
July 26, 2022
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Andrew at 52, What is wrong with you? Did you go door to door? "Hello. Do you know how vaccines work?" I'm guessing not. I can see your overblown frustration through my computer screen. Why do you assume "great masses" are stupid or incapable of finding out?relatd
July 26, 2022
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"any reasonably intelligent person probably knew how vaccines worked and what they could and couldn’t do" JVL, Any how do we tell if great masses of people we've never met knew how vaccines worked? Andrewasauber
July 26, 2022
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A few words about the Pfizer vaccine from the FDA. https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/comirnaty-and-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccinerelatd
July 26, 2022
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Asauber: And sometimes its not 90 or 80 or 50 percent. So whomever decided to mandate a chemical injection for everyone knew they were forcing people who it wouldn’t work as advertised for. Are you sure? No respected authority in the UK said it would stop anyone from catching COVID, just that it would reduce the symptoms. And they admitted that its efficacy wasn't completely known but, after a shorter than usual trial period, it looked very, very effective and safe. Surely you know how vaccines work? They prepare the body to fight off a future exposure to a virus but they don't stop you from catching that virus. They can't stop you from catching the virus. That's not possible unless you live in a bubble. And, I have to say, that any reasonably intelligent person probably knew how vaccines worked and what they could and couldn't do. And if they didn't know then they could find out. You seem to be saying that: the stupid people were lied to and didn't figure it out and so were hood winked. The data and info has always been available for anyone who wanted to look for it. Some public officials, no doubt, made statements that were not completely correct. Some of them are a bit dopey and they make mistakes. Oh well. Just because sometimes there are government conspiracies to cover up and hide things (Watergate, the Iran Contra Affair, the Profuma affair, etc) doesn't mean everything is a government conspiracy.JVL
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Andrew at 48, I will tell "them" where you are and how much you like vaccines... :)relatd
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"They put a gun to my head !!! They strapped me down !!! And FORCED me to get a VaCcInE. Wah ! Wah ! And so on…" Relatd, I never commented any of those things. Go see your doctor. You are experiencing hallucinations. I'm sure there is some kind of chemical they can inject you with for it. Andrewasauber
July 26, 2022
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Andrew at 46, You are just whining. Example: They put a gun to my head !!! They strapped me down !!! And FORCED me to get a VaCcInE. Wah ! Wah ! And so on...relatd
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"You have a clear bias. You are talking nonsense." Relatd, I don't think so. I think you're just whining because you can't admit being wrong. Andrewasauber
July 26, 2022
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Andrew at 44, You have a clear bias. You are talking nonsense. Stop it before I write your favorite word again - doctor. Doctor, doctor, doctor...relatd
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"Nothing is ever 100% safe or effective. Anyone who says otherwise is mistaken or lying." And sometimes its not 90 or 80 or 50 percent. So whomever decided to mandate a chemical injection for everyone knew they were forcing people who it wouldn't work as advertised for. Andrewasauber
July 26, 2022
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How about travel requirements? From the U.S. Department of State: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/covid-19-travel-information.htmlrelatd
July 26, 2022
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Vividbleau: That probably no one you know got small pox or polio after getting vaccinated? Doesn't mean it didn't happen though. From Wikipedia:
The inactivated polio vaccines are very safe. Mild redness or pain may occur at the site of injection. Oral polio vaccine results in vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis in about three per million doses. They are generally safe to give to those who are pregnant, and those who have HIV/AIDS, but who are otherwise well. Inactivated polio vaccine can cause an allergic reaction in a few people since the vaccine contains trace amounts of antibiotics, streptomycin, polymyxin B, and neomycin. It should not be given to anyone who has an allergic reaction to these medicines. Signs and symptoms of an allergic reaction, which usually appear within minutes or a few hours after receiving the injected vaccine, include breathing difficulties, weakness, hoarseness or wheezing, heart rate fluctuations, skin rash and dizziness. cVDPV cases outnumbered wild polio cases for the first time in 2017. A potential, adverse effect of the OPV is its known ability to recombine to a form that causes neurological infection and paralysis.[27] This genetic reversal of the pathogen to a virulent form takes a considerable time (at least 12 months) and does not affect the person who was originally vaccinated. The vaccine-derived attenuated virus is normally excreted from vaccinated people for a limited period. Thus, in areas with poor sanitation and low vaccination coverage, the spontaneous reversal of the vaccine-derived virus to a virulent form and its spreading in the environment can lead to unvaccinated people becoming infected. Clinical disease, including paralysis, caused by vaccine-derived poliovirus (VDPV) is indistinguishable from that caused by wild polioviruses. Outbreaks of vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis (VAPP), caused by a circulating vaccine-derived poliovirus (cVDPV), have been reported, and tend to occur in areas of low coverage by OPV, presumably because the OPV is itself protective against the related outbreak strain. With wild polio cases at record lows, 2017 was the first year where more cases of cVDPV were recorded than the wild poliovirus, a trend that is expected to continue. To combat this, the WHO in 2016, decided to switch from the trivalent polio vaccine to the bivalent polio vaccine. This vaccine no longer contains the type 2 polio virus because it was eradicated in 1999.
Nothing is ever 100% safe or effective. Anyone who says otherwise is mistaken or lying. By the way, research on mRNA vaccines started well before COVID-19 arrived on the scene: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRNA_vaccineJVL
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BobRyan: Herd immunity, like what happened in states like South Dakota, worked. By not shutting down and quarantining healthy people, they had fewer deaths, suicides, ODs, homeless, etc. People carried on their lives the same way every state and federal government should have. Go to: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ Click on the top of Deaths/1M pop column to arrange the US states in descending deaths per 1 million people order. South Dakota comes in at 23 so in the top half. The District of Columbia which has a vastly higher population density did much better. Perhaps you should check your stats a bit more.JVL
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There are at least two narratives here - both opposed to each other. And a third. I'll speculate on that: If the virus is a bio-weapon then it was designed to kill a given portion of the population. It will be over when it's over, not before.relatd
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BobRyan: If the shots were so effective, why does the UK have 91% of COVID related deaths from “vaccinated”? Because a) the vaccines don't prevent you getting an infection but they help your body fight it off better than they would have if not previously primed and b) as the proportion of vaccinated people in a population grows the number of those who die from the disease and are vaccinated becomes a higher proportion of those who die. Think of it this way: let's suppose in a given population you have 100% vaccination rates. But some people still don't fight off the disease and die. In that case 100% of the deaths will be from the vaccinated population. The point that the article you cite doesn't make is that the proportion of COVID deaths amongst the vaccinated is lower than the proportion of deaths amongst the unvaccinated. There are actually lots of online discussions of this seeming contradiction which you could have easily found but didn't bother to look. https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/scicheck-why-its-easy-to-misinterpret-numbers-of-deaths-among-the-vaccinated/ https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2021/11/fact-check-in-uk-fully-vaccinated-are-82-percent-of-covid-19-deaths-and-66-percent-of-hospitalizations-but-percentages-dont-tell-full-story.html https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2022/04/fact-check-high-vaccination-rate-explains-why-92-of-english-covid-deaths-are-among-fully-vaccinated.html
The CDC says that, as of Dec. 4, the weekly COVID-19 death rate among unvaccinated adults was 9.74 per 100,000 population, and the rate was 0.1 per 100,000 population for people 18 and older who were fully vaccinated with a booster dose.
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/02/scicheck-latest-cdc-data-unvaccinated-adults-97-times-more-likely-to-die-from-covid-19-than-boosted-adults/ What most people do when they read something that sounds a bit dodgy or weird is to try and fact check it. You just bought it hook, line and sinker.JVL
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BR at 37, "... numbers were rigged..." Please expose the reasons for the numbers being rigged. And, what are you going to do about it? Everything that happened happened. It can't be undone. Look at international travel which was badly affected by demands for testing and quarantine. I would be very careful about making statements like the following: "Healthy people never had anything to fear from COVID." That is not accurate based on people I know who actually got it. Your reference to a "bio-weapon" is a serious charge. Where is your evidence?relatd
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Masks were never going to work. The only thing they do is place numerous things close to the nose to be breathed in. Those things, when worn longer than four hours, are breeding grounds for all sorts of nasty things. Besides the nasty stuff that people inhale, coronaviruses do not only enter the body through the nose and mouth. They also enter through the eyes. That is why they were never going to work. Why no mention of face shields, which are more sanitary and effective? There was also the fact that Wuhan is a major city with an international airport. By the time it was discovered in October of 99, it already spread throughout the world. Where were the global deaths? It never happened. Even altered by the CCP for purposes of becoming a bio-weapon, COVID is so benign it failed. There were no floating cruise ships filled with elderly that became morgues. COVID, even with the changes made in a lab, is not an equal opportunity killer, like influenza. There must already be a weakened host for it to become deadly. Healthy people never had anything to fear from COVID. Herd immunity, like what happened in states like South Dakota, worked. By not shutting down and quarantining healthy people, they had fewer deaths, suicides, ODs, homeless, etc. People carried on their lives the same way every state and federal government should have. All those promised deaths were projected, not actually occurring. In order for America to have those deaths, numbers were rigged in favor of COVID. Influenza was treated like it suddenly disappeared. They added those, and all sorts of other causes to make the numbers higher than they actually were.BobRyan
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Doctors who wear masks, switch them out every four hours, at the latest. They get tossed in with hazard material. Where are the hazmat bins? Anyone who actually does research know states and countries that did nothing handled it the best. There is also Birx admitting to faking numbers to make things look far worse than they were. She also made it clear she believed the shots would do nothing to stop the spread.BobRyan
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If the shots were so effective, why does the UK have 91% of COVID related deaths from "vaccinated"? https://www.wnd.com/2022/07/fully-vaccinated-account-91-covid-deaths-one-country/BobRyan
July 26, 2022
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LCD True. You have to go to alternative media just to get basic facts. Quick searches on Bitchute or Rumble are enough to expose what is going on.Silver Asiatic
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Oh dear, 1000 ATHLETES - COLLAPSING | DYING | HEART PROBLEMS | BLOOD CLOTS - MARCH 2021 TO JUNE 2022 Athletes not granpa.Lieutenant Commander Data
July 25, 2022
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SA at 31, And so did non-politicians around the world.relatd
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During a July 2021 CNN town hall, U.S. President Joe Biden stated that "You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations."
President Joe Biden tested positive for COVID-19 Thursday morning July 21, 2022Silver Asiatic
July 25, 2022
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“If this is the best you can do then no one has specific information about this particular event, “ I know the drug companies are making a boatload of money, I know that the government restricted peoples freedom and gained more power, what else do I need to know? “I don’t believe you.” What don’t you believe? Is it you don’t believe what Birx said? What Biden said? That the Covid vaccine is not like the small pox and polio vaccines? That the CDC gave out bad advice on natural immunity? That probably no one you know got small pox or polio after getting vaccinated? Vividvividbleau
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