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In Part 2 of 4, we look at a claim arising from a recent study: We blindly believe those we identify with, ignoring the wisdom of science:

Recently, a paper lamenting the decline of trust in science was discussed at ScienceAlert, a science news site. In representing the paper—doubtless accurately — for a lay audience, the write-up embodies the causes of legitimate public distrust…

We press on. The second point of four raised at ScienceAlert is that tribal loyalty is thought to create distrust in science: “‘Work on cultural cognition has highlighted how people contort scientific findings to fit with values that matter to their cultural identities,’ write Philipp-Muller and colleagues.” …

There seems to be no recognition here that researchers also have a tribal loyalty. The fact that they are fiercely competitive among themselves doesn’t change that. Just as businesses can be fiercely competitive among themselves but band together against unwelcome government regulations, researchers can unite against skepticism of their claims in general.

If the researchers’ response is, “We represent science,” one might ask, “Why, then, was the Wuhan lab origin of COVID-19 treated as a ‘conspiracy theory’ when it was in fact a reasonable hypothesis?” Anyone who has taken the trouble to study the situation will be aware that political considerations made the theory unpopular because — well, for one thing — the United States had been helping to fund the research.

News, “Researchers: Distrust of science is due to tribal loyalty” at Mind Matters News (July 18, 2022)

Sometimes — just sometimes — researchers’ attitudes are themselves the best argument against science one could think of.

Takehome: There seems to be no recognition that researchers, however fiercely competitive among themselves, also have a tribal loyalty that skews their judgment.

The paper, which requires a subscription, is “Why are people antiscience, and what can we do about it?” by Aviva Philipp-Muller, Spike W. S. Lee, and Richard E. Petty, July 12, 2022, PNAS 119 (30) e2120755119
https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2120755119

Here are all four parts of the series:

  1. Why many now reject science… do you really want to know? COVID demonstrated — as nothing else could — that the “science” was all over the map and didn’t help people avoid panic. As the panic receded, the U.S. government started setting up a disinformation board to target NON-government sources of panic, thus deepening loss of trust.
  2. Researchers: Distrust of science is due to tribal loyalty. In Part 2 of 4, we look at a claim arising from a recent study: We blindly believe those we identify with, ignoring the wisdom of science. There seems to be no recognition that researchers, however fiercely competitive among themselves, also have a tribal loyalty that skews their judgment.
  3. Researchers: If we tell folks more about science, they trust less. Part 3: The researchers argue that doubts about science arise from conflict with beliefs. The many COVID-19 debacles suggest other causes… Generally, the remedy for loss of trust after widespread failures is reform of the system, not reform of its doubters. Post-COVID, scientists should take heed.

and

  1. Claim: If science were properly presented, trust would grow! The ideas examined in these four short essays all assume that scientists are exempt from the bias and self-interest that governs everyone else. We’re asked to believe that scientists are somehow exempt from the bias problem that they say is ingrained in our biology — yet they have the same biology as everyone else…
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Vb at 26 and 27, I collected all of the information I could about how each vaccine was formulated. You believe something I don't believe. Power and money? That's a zero content explanation. Everything the wealthy do is about power and money. If this is the best you can do then no one has specific information about this particular event, just don't take the vaccines. I guarantee - nothing will change. It will end when it ends. I don't believe you. Think what you wish.relatd
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“We will continue to follow CDC” Is that the same CDC that gave bad advice about natural immunity LOL ? https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/06/10/gop-rep-massie-cdc-giving-bad-advice-on-vaccines-for-those-with-prior-covid-infection/ Vividvividbleau
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“Why did the evil government do this? Be specific.” I was specific, power and money. Vividvividbleau
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“The vaccine against smallpox is a live-attenuated vaccine; whereas, the vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 are nucleic acid or viral-vectored.” I assume you got the small pox vaccine along with many others, how many people do you know got small pox after getting vaccinated for small pox or polio after getting the polio vaccine? Vividvividbleau
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So nobody is willing to be specific. I guess I'll have to do it. The Government lied !!! Lockdowns were unnecessary !!! All those people in the U.S. collecting EXTRA unemployment? I sure did. Vaccines kill people !!! Hey, if you're going to release vaccines, make sure at least HALF of the people DIE !!! It was about killing people !!! Elderly people !!! And people with "underlying conditions." The vaccines were DESIGNED primarily to kill them !!! So, how to stop all this? Hide in your underground bunker and work from there. If the government can't find you they can't FORCE you to get a vaccine or wear a mask or stand six feet away from people !!! Hurray !!! Did I miss anything? Here's reality: I and everyone I know will get the next booster. We will continue to follow CDC (as opposed to the evil, power-hungry government) guidance. And that's that. Nothing changes for most people until a medication that protects against all variants appears.relatd
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Vb at 23, The vaccines are not vaccines? What are they? What is their actual purpose? I request links to credible sources. Why was anyone misled? If a crime was committed, the police need a motive. Why did the evil government do this? Be specific. If not, nothing you say will change anything. Almost everyone I know got the vaccine. The handful who did not caught the virus, were ill for a number of days and recovered. Do you think by posting here that you will convince anyone of anything? Proof. Evidence. Credible information. Not Dr. Brix. Because, you know, according to a few here, you can't trust doctors.relatd
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“You know, save lives by trashing vaccines” You do know they are not vaccines? “So, go ahead, give us the motivations for this – obvious to certain people – hoax” Hey I just laid out a couple of facts about how we were mislead care to comment? “So, go ahead, give us the motivations for this – obvious to certain people – hoax. Come on.” The usual most obvious suspects, power and money. Pretty simple really. Vividvividbleau
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Vb at 21, So, go ahead, give us the motivations for this - obvious to certain people - hoax. Come on. More vaccines are coming. More boosters are coming. Another vaccine is coming that will knock out all variants. Other medications are in the works. So TELL THE WHOLE WORLD what will happen RIGHT NOW according to whoever. You know, save lives by trashing vaccines. I mean if you don't say anything now then all this will just continue.relatd
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I think it was about a year ago when Joe Biden said, if my memory is correct, something like if your vaccinated you won’t get Covid or be able to transmit the virus. Here is Dr Birx just recently “I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against infection. And I think we overplayed the vaccines. And it made people then worry that it’s not going to protect against severe disease and hospitalization. It will, but let’s be very clear — 50% of the people who died from the Omicron surge were older, vaccinated.” She also said that regarding the” 15 days to slow the spread” that she knew at the time they were going to extend that indefinitely, it was just a prequel. Also in her book she basically said that the six feet social distancing and the recommendation that gatherings should be limited to 10 basically was pulled out of her ass. Vividvividbleau
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Ba77 at 19, Then sue them all. Go ahead. :) You realize you can cross a busy freeway without looking both ways? I would never recommend it. Something else I would never recommend: going without masks in public places and going without vaccines.relatd
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The 2nd amendment says that I'm in the right country where shots aren't required! :)bornagain77
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Ba77 at 17, Then move to a country where shots aren't required.relatd
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Relatd, 'I did not need protective clothing around people who were dying from an adverse reaction to anything.' If it makes you happy, keep wearing your mask, I don't care. But I'll be damned if I let an idiot from the government give me another 'vaccine' shot.bornagain77
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Ba77 at 15, So that's it, eh? What are you going to do about it? Do the math. Hundreds of millions of jabs were given out. If those numbers are true, what is anyone going to do about it? By the way, when hospitals were full, when automobile companies were making ventilators, when nurses had to improvise because they could not get enough protective clothing - NONE of that happened? I worked in hospital. I never had to wear protective clothing around anyone dying from an adverse reaction to anything. And if the vaccine is KNOWN to be ineffective then how did these adverse reactions occur? Again, I did not need protective clothing around people who were dying from an adverse reaction to anything. I'm still wearing my mask. Oh yes. Because my doctor wore a mask. Because conventions in the United States are demanding the wearing of masks and showing proof of vaccination. Look them up. ALL of them. Let me guess - I'm speculating - this is the eeeeeevil government's way of disposing of people. The eeeeevil government wants lots of people dead. Just shooting them in the street would be... uh... too obvious?relatd
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Of note:
Jan. 2022 - For example, it is fact, not fiction, that the government’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) has had more adverse reaction reports filed for the COVID-19 vaccines than for any other vaccine since VAERS started collecting data in 1990. Indeed, as of mid-January, 55 percent of all adverse reactions, 59 percent of all hospitalizations, and 71 percent of all deaths reported to VAERS are from the COVID-19 vaccines. What these data mean is subject to legitimate differences of opinion. But the fact that the data exist is unquestionable. Yet if you spend much time discussing VAERS in social media or on YouTube, you are likely to be banned. - John West, “ - https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/john-west-explains-why-discovery-institute-will-start-speaking-up-about-science-totalitarianism-around-covid/
Question: Are you still wearing your mask??? ,,, there is help for you, :)
Addicted To Masks? Maskers Anonymous Can Help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBsCHDdi_O4
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So, I'm starting to see the big picture: Government! Government! Government! The eeevil-bad Government. OK. The government lied, all the restrictions were useless-wrong, and they all happened. Can SOMEONE tell everyone, in detail, why all of the lockdowns, masks, and vaccinations happened? Give us the specifics so everyone can understand. Not 'doctors, heh, heh, heh... Wink, wink, nod, nod.'relatd
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"some people can have a severe adverse reaction to a flu shot, given every year, does not invalidate the usefulness of flu shots" Flu shots don't work for everybody to begin with, so the usefulness of a particular shot depends on particular cases. Andrewasauber
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Ba77 at 10, We're talking about a global spread. Taking into account that some people can have a severe adverse reaction to a flu shot, given every year, does not invalidate the usefulness of flu shots. I'd post the numbers for the virus in question but I'm not sure you'd accept them as factual.relatd
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Relatd throws "doctor" out there and all contention must cease. lol ;) Andrewasauber
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"You also have no idea what you’re talking about." My fairly severe* adverse reaction to the 'vaccine' begs to differ. (*My arm was so sore that I could not work for two days. all for a vaccine that is now known to be ineffective) Of note:
John West Explains Why Discovery Institute Will Start Speaking Up About Science Totalitarianism Around COVID https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/john-west-explains-why-discovery-institute-will-start-speaking-up-about-science-totalitarianism-around-covid/
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Ba77 at 4, You also have no idea what you're talking about.relatd
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BR at 5, You literally don't know what you're talking about.relatd
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BR at 3, Millions died. What is your definition of harmless?relatd
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BR at 2, You totally missed the point. Totally. Either you are selecting facts that only suit you or you are lying. I took the vaccine, people I know took the vaccine. A certain number of people will have a deadly reaction to certain vaccines. Look it up. I totally reject the "politicians are evil" explanation for the lockdowns. Who ordered them? Evil politicians or the CDC in the United States? I have worked in hospital with patients in quarantine. Wearing a mask was nothing new to me. Nothing they did was effective? Really? Based on what? Imagination? The moment the health crisis hit, I automatically began screening the information coming out. That there was a "along party lines polarization" did not surprise me. But I refuse to listen to complete idiots and shills online - not referring to you. My doctor was wearing a mask. He recommended I get a specific booster. I suffered no ill effects. The unvaccinated are not risk. Wow. Call - I mean it - call an actual doctor and tell him that.relatd
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bornagain77 That it did, in every metric there is. No one can point to a single thing better in the United States that is better than before things were shut down and people isolated. It never should have happened in the United States. Experts across the board were screaming from the rooftops not to do anything, and no one paid attention to their accurate warnings. Herd immunity remains the way to go with any new coronavirus. The science has not changed.BobRyan
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BobRyan, "It is not distrust of science, but distrust of scientists using propaganda over facts." Bingo! And as you also pointed out, "Nothing they did was effective. Everything promised to work failed to slow the spread." Double Bingo! In fact, many times their propagandized 'science' actually made things worse. Much worse!bornagain77
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If we were dealing with real scientists, rather than propagandists, they would have admitted that the cure was far worse than a pretty harmless disease.BobRyan
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It is not distrust of science, but distrust of scientists using propaganda over facts. Anyone who brought up herd immunity was demonized. Anyone who said the draconian measures of locking down and wearing masks was attacked. Anyone who challenged the COVID shots was ridiculed. Nothing they did was effective. Everything promised to work failed to slow the spread. Then there are the side effects of the shot and boosters that were ignored. A lot of healthy athletes in the world died after taking the shots. People continued to get COVID after the shots. Now, there is a study showing 91% of fully vaccinated make up the deaths of COVID related illness. It is not the unvaccinated who are at risk, but the vaccinated. https://www.wnd.com/2022/07/fully-vaccinated-account-91-covid-deaths-one-country/BobRyan
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A very sad, very poorly thought out series of articles. 1) There will never, ever be a truthful and accurate account of the origin of the virus. Only speculation will be allowed. The simple answer would be to provide the truthful, with supporting evidence, answer. The actual, documented problem is information that shows science is being manipulated, primarily for making money. That's it. End of story. The "bias" idea is just plain wrong. Every scientist, no matter where he works, must show proof of his work. Bias plays no role. He either does the job he was hired for or fails to do so. He won't be allowed to do further work if he keeps failing to complete projects.relatd
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