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Does Scandinavia show that we do not need God to be good?

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Ken Francis, journalist and author of The Little Book of God, Mind, Cosmos and Truth, reviews C. R. Hallpike’s Do We Need God To Be Good at New English Review:

… Dr. Hallpike continues in his book:

We can therefore agree with Hitchens that there is no reason to expect any special differences here between the conduct of believers and unbelievers, and the same would be true as well of many immoral actions that are also generally agreed to threaten the social order, such as theft, rape, and murder. To this extent it is clear that one does not need God to be good, and we also have to consider the influence of the traditional culture. So it is not particularly surprising that countries such as Scandinavia where religious believers are relatively few, but are still influenced by their Protestant cultural heritage, may nevertheless have low levels of crime.

Crime in Scandinavia, with Sweden being rape and domestic violence capital of the West, is actually quite high in many regions. And it’s not just because of the flood of immigration. Alcohol abuse and mental health issues are also hugely problematic. To say that there’s a spiritual crisis in Scandinavia would be an understatement. But back to the title of Dr. Hallpike’s book, Do We Need God to Be Good? Does Dr. Hallpike mean subjectively good or objectively good?; if the former, then we don’t need God, but the latter requires God. And here is why (see also my essay, Explaining Epiphenomenalism to a Dead Horse, October 2017 edition of NER): More.

Sweden’s problem might be that naturalism is a dead end. After all, ethics depend on consciousness and a fully naturalist view of consciousness sees it as an illusion. How can one say that the violent person, passing on his selfish genes, is any worse than a non-violent person who may be less likely to do so, given the circumstances, unless one appeals to a higher authority than mere desires or preferences?

See also: Dispatches from modern witchcraft in the world of Urban Cool: The science bureaucrats who worry a lot about what theists believe ignore the growth of more naturalism-friendly beliefs. Could there be a pattern there?

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TWSYF @3, "Seversky @2: God gets to determine what is good and what is evil." But he changes his mind so unpredictably. One moment genocide is fine, the next it's wrong. Sorry; It was humanity that decided genocide was wrong. One moment slavery is fine the next it's a crime. Sorry; Humanity came to that conclusion, Neither God nor Jesus on earth had a problem. You see, trusting your morality to a deity leads to all that is amoral. And it is modern humanism, which is left to straighten out all the mad Biblical pronouncements. And your Supreme court analogy is nonsense. They make many, and have made many mistakes. But on the whole American society is considerably safer than the society Moses led after gaining, smashing, then gaining again God's ten moralities.rvb8
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Seversky @ 2: God gets to determine what is good and what is evil. It is His world. This makes logical sense, of course. For example, in the United States, we have a Supreme Court composed of nine justices. The decision of those justices, even a 5-4 split decision, becomes the supreme law of the land. There is no further appeal. The decision becomes the objective standard of law in the United States, despite being created by nine subjective justices.Truth Will Set You Free
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Assuming He exists, how is God's view of what is good or evil be anything other than just another subjective opinion?Seversky
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