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Philosopher Antony Flew used to be the most prominent atheist in the English-speaking world. In the last decade, however, that has changed. Unlike Flew, who has always been civil and insightful, a new breed of atheists, who are crass and unruly, has supplanted him, notably, Oxford biologist Richard Dawkins. Also, Flew is no longer an atheist. Flew’s newfound belief in God and his assessment of today’s neo-atheism are both described in his delightful new book (coauthored with Roy Varghese), There Is a God: How the World’s Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind.

Throughout his philosophical career (going back to the late 1940s, when he rubbed shoulders with C. S. Lewis), Flew was committed to following evidence wherever it leads. Late in life, he found that advances in science made the evidence for design in the universe so compelling that he could no longer withhold belief in God. Flew’s God — a deistic God — is not quite the Christian God of his teacher Lewis. Then again, given Flew’s inclusion in There Is a God of an essay on the Resurrection by N. T. Wright, God seems hardly finished with Flew’s conversion.

The contrast between Flew and his neo-atheist successors is stark. In his atheist days, Flew took not only his atheism but also the theism of his opponents seriously. He understood and engaged their positions; he always recognized that here was a debate of real intellectual merit worth having. Indeed, Flew’s challenge to theism was so insightful that he helped catalyze a distinctly Christian movement of philosophers. Headed by Alvin Plantinga and William Alston, their impact on philosophy has been immense.

The neo-atheists, unlike the old Flew, characterize religious belief as a “poison” that needs to be “eradicated” and those who subscribe to it as “mentally deranged.” Instead of engaging the arguments of theists and admitting difficulties in their own position (for instance, atheism requires a materialistic origin of life, yet all indicators suggest that the information-rich structures of life require a designing intelligence), they issue blanket dismissals of religion. Flew was a rich and varied atheist. The neo-atheists, by contrast, are militant and amateurish.

And vile. In his November 4, 2007 article for the New York Times (“The Turning of an Atheist”), Mark Oppenheimer attributes Flew’s conversion to a combination of senility on Flew’s part and manipulation by Christian evangelicals. This is despicable. I was on the committee to award Flew the Phillip Johnson Award for Liberty and Truth (which he received at Biola University in the spring of 2006). I made the telephone call to Flew on behalf of Biola asking him to agree to accept the award. When I spoke to him, it was clear to me that he was in full possession of his faculties and that he knew full well the cost he was paying for breaking ranks with his atheist colleagues.

Flew as an atheist and now as a theist has always exemplified integrity. I learned this not merely from his writings but also first-hand: when Baylor University, under pressure from Darwinian materialists (like Dawkins), shut down a center for intelligent design research that I directed (the Michael Polanyi Center), Flew protested to the Baylor administration defending my academic freedom and the center’s work — work that opposed atheism. That was back in 2001 while Flew was still an atheist.

God bless Antony Flew!

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Antony Flew and HarperCollins Respond to the New York Times article:

Here is Antony Flew’s response to the claim, made in the NY Times magazine article, that he did not write the book (from a press release issued by the publisher 11/7/2007):

“My name is on the book and it represents exactly my opinions. I would not have a book issued in my name that I do not 100 percent agree with. I needed someone to do the actual writing because I’m 84 and that was Roy Varghese’s role. The idea that someone manipulated me because I’m old is exactly wrong. I may be old but it is hard to manipulate me. This is my book and it represents my thinking.”

Harper One deputy publisher Mark Tauber adds, “We stand behind this book. Roy Varghese took Tony’s thoughts and put them in publishable form. This is not an unusual practice.” Tauber adds, “Unfortunately, the NYT Magazine writer generalized from Flew’s aphasia to senility–which is far from accurate. Additionally, the NYT writer completely skipped the philosophical content of the book, dismissing Tony’s arguments for God’s existence in one word, calling it ‘pseudoscience’ and so insulting both Tony and anyone persuaded that these arguments might be true.”

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Thanks for the update. I had a feeling Flew wouldn't sit by and let the NYT review run without comment - I noticed that the entire content of their interview with Flew consisted of pointing out what he didn't remember. Anything he could remember, any arguments he could provide, utterly skipped. And I'm in agreement with Charlie. As hard as it is, we should be praying and hoping for the conversion of Dawkins, Harris, even Hitchens. And not just to take one more atheist off the attack, but for their own well-being too. At least in the Christian tradition (and likely others), we're called to have strong hopes for our worst enemies. Not that anyone needs preaching from ME of all people. Just seconding someone else's charitable view here.nullasalus
November 8, 2007
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November 8, 2007
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I think many atheists have turned to sound bite fascism because they sense the weight of their impending intellectual doom.bevets
November 8, 2007
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It's plain and simple, Mr. Flew ran out of mental landscape to explore and there was only one solution that could expand the horizon for him. He was a step ahead of the crowd before and he's still a step ahead now.John Kelly
November 8, 2007
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Is that bit about Flew's response to Oppenheimer an update? Why didn't I see that? Thanks very much for that information as well.Charlie
November 8, 2007
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I appreciate this post a great deal. I read Flew's book in one day, with my ever-ready yellow highlighter hard at work. Most of the arguments from order to design are pretty old hat for people with an interest in ID, but Flew's discussion of abiogenesis was enlightening. I'm sure it is only my own ignorance that makes his a novel point, but approaching the problem of teleology and life as a philosophical conundrum really struck a chord. While we are praying for Flew it wouldn't hurt (although they would scoff at the idea) to pray for Dawkins and the other neos as well.Charlie
November 8, 2007
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Bork -- Trust me, I really wish there was a God- and I constantly search, There is nothing wrong with honest skepticism. I often think one won't find God until one finds love. The fact of love can't be proved but is true nonetheless. Just like God.tribune7
November 8, 2007
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In my opinion we are entering a post-secular, post-Darwinist, post-materialism era. Interestingly, Flew, in the autumn of his life, represents this sea change, because he has been honest enough to follow the evidence where it leads. Materialistic science is very powerful and has been responsible for many great achievements, but it is clearly not capable of explaining everything, especially the things that matter most to most people: like where did we come from, where are we going, why are we here, what is right and what is wrong? Ironically, scientific discoveries of the past century have put nails in the coffin of materialism. The eternal, self-existent universe, with no need of a cause, is dead. The "random" universe is dead; our universe is exquisitely fine-tuned for the purpose of allowing life. The Darwinian mechanism as an explanation for the diversity, complexity, engineering, and information content of living systems is dead. All indicators are that the universe and living things are the product of purpose and design. Get used to it.GilDodgen
November 8, 2007
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bork said:
"Trust me, I really wish there was a God- and I constantly search, but so far I am still undecided. I hope I am wrong, I hope there is a God and I hope that the evidence leads me that way."
bork, a sincere prayer asking for God to reveal Himself personally to you is a great place to start. I believe He won't turn away anyone who approaches honestly with a little humility, especially if you're open to accepting the truth of Jesus Christ. The prayers of those on this board wouldn't hurt either ;). On that note, Flew is on my prayer list. I'll look forward to seeing him and bork in heaven. :DApollos
November 8, 2007
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I would classify myself as an agnostic... but I agree, the new atheists are quite fond of ad hominem attacks and remedial arguements... They are even now forming as a religious sect... Unfortunately, this sometimes makes them look smart- they are constantly on the offense and have arguments in their belt. They belittle their opponents so much that they look like the only rational group (form a lot of false dicotemys)- no one likes to feel dumb, or be perceived as dumb. While the new atheists are not as deep, I think their method is more "productive"- espically amongst my peers (18-25). This age group is not known for it's intelligence, but rather impulsive moves to feel "smart". Trust me, I really wish there was a God- and I constantly search, but so far I am still undecided. I hope I am wrong, I hope there is a God and I hope that the evidence leads me that way. As for Antony Flew- he is being bashed beyond belief. I have the utmost respect for him, anyone who can stand by his beliefs rationally like he is doing is a man who deserves respect.bork
November 8, 2007
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What are they trying to save us from, anyway? Save us from? Deliver us to is more the question. I'm sure behind closed doors that these "atheists" are really Satanists. They won't be happy until we're all minions of Lucifer.Nochange
November 8, 2007
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Off topic, but it's not clear where to report bugs. The ads on this site which normally appear in the rightmost column are bumped to the bottom of the middle column whenever a comment in that column contains a string too wide for the column (usually a URL). Can this be fixed?Gerry Rzeppa
November 8, 2007
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Well said, Dr. Dembski. Well said.Gerry Rzeppa
November 8, 2007
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While I agree with everything Dr. Dembski says above, I think it's worth pondering just why today's atheism presents such a contrast with the generation so well represented by Anthony Flew. I certainly do not claim to have all the answers, but a few ideas come quickly to mind. 1. Uncivil ad hominem rants are the lingua franca of the blogosphere, as we're all too aware. 2. Neo-Darwinism is looking more vulnerable by the day, particularly the ultra views of people like R. Dawkins. 3. The "new" atheism has many characteristics of a movement, including T-shirts, self-congratulatory conferences, web sites, etc. As such, atheism is becoming (has become) a fully irrational force, like countless other movements from the past. 4. Most significantly, I believe, is the ever lurking fear of another 9/11. This is perhaps an exaggeration, but if one were to replace all references to "religion" in the many anti-religious diatribes with something like "Islamist" or "Jihadist", I'm afraid there would be a lot more sympathy for the new atheist point of view. The historians of the new atheism will no doubt bring more clarity to this issue, but I don't see how anyone could fail to see the significance of what happened at the WTC.owendw
November 8, 2007
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"I presume that I am not the only one who is tired of their constant proselytizing?" What are they trying to save us from, anyway?getawitness
November 8, 2007
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No Change in regards to this statement: Old atheists or new, they’re all going to the same place. It is not as automatic as you think...foundational beliefs, we gathered as children, seem to matter a lot in the grand scheme of things.... Take Howard storm for instance,,, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Storm excerpted: He was taken to a Paris hospital, but no surgeons were available, and he suffered for a significant amount of time in deteriorating condition due to the hospital staff not realizing the severity of his medical situation. He ultimately would be diagnosed with peritonitis. Storm describes that he felt he was dying, and after saying goodbye to his wife, eventually passed out. He was a life-long atheist and contemptuous of spiritual matters, but found himself outside of his body. He says he was drawn by voices calling his name and followed them, but eventually realized that he was being led into darkness and the creatures were malevolent. They turned on him and attacked him savagely, and his NDE became a negative experience, rather than the type of NDE typified by a "being of light" or sensations of peace and calm. His book chronicles an experience that involved being torn to pieces by the creatures, yet he retained consciousness and experienced severe pain. He says that at one point though he felt a voice within him instruct him to "Pray to God". He resisted and realized he did not know how to pray, but began to recite fragments of religious material. Though rote recitals, the effect on the creatures was that it drove them away. He then describes that he was rescued by a being of light that he believes was Jesus, and was approached by others as well. He experienced a life review, which highlighted the selfishness of his life, but the beings of light expressed unconditional love throughout it. His book describes how the experience had a transformative effect on him, and he became devoutly religious and entered the seminary to become a minister of Zion United Church Of Christ. He has made a number of appearances on television to describe his NDE. Howard Storm is no longer the Pastor of Zion United Church of Christ. He is presently the Pastor of the Covington United Church of Christ in Covington, Ohio. The link has several 10 minute videos that give his testimony. It is very interesting, to watch, to say the least. I can guarantee you that he was not calling on Buddha to save him when he finally prayed. So I think our job is to keep hammering hard on atheists and unbelievers of all religions, no matter what they say they believe on the outside, for we could very well be planting a deep enough belief that will save them from torment. By the way, this is view of hell is not a stand alone event, but is commonly reported in the majority of NDE studies of non-Judeo-Christian cultures, and in also found in a minority of Judeo-Christian NDE studies. (Most Judeo-Christian Culture report positive experiences.)bornagain77
November 8, 2007
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An atheist with dignity and respect? "There is a God!"Borne
November 8, 2007
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I presume that I am not the only one who is tired of their constant proselytizing?specs
November 8, 2007
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Nochange wrote
Old athiests or new, they’re all going to the same place.
There but for the grace of God, Nochange, there but for the grace of God. :)angryoldfatman
November 8, 2007
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From what I've read of him, Flew has always stood out as distinct from the rest of the atheist pack (certainly the New Atheists, and from a number of the older atheists.) Particularly that while he was an atheist, he didn't see theism as some terrible evil, still openly admired some religious (even Christian) figures, and was generally a civil, thoughtful man. Flew has given interviews and seems well aware of the positions he's taking, and what they mean both philosophically and politically. Apparently whenever he seems to show sympathy to atheism (As the Times article with Richard Carrier suggests), Flew is in full mental form. Whenever he shows sympathy to theism, well, that's the senility showing itself. If it's about the arguments, then Flew's should be easy to brush aside if the atheist claim is to be believed (namely, that Flew is out of touch.) The fact that some are going for the smear approach shows a vulnerability: Arguing against deism is tough, and science has made it tougher. Traditional theistic views are able to be strongly defended, even suggested, but deism is more basic and tougher to oppose from an atheistic (even a scientific) standpoint as a result - and I suspect that having a major proponent of deism in the 21st century spooks many atheists more than merely losing a prominent atheist from their number.nullasalus
November 8, 2007
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Old athiests or new, they're all going to the same place. But I suppose you're practicing the "love the sinner hate the sin". You're a better man than I. God bless you, Dr. Dembski.Nochange
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