Uncommon Descent Serving The Intelligent Design Community

ID culture a part of Starbuck’s coffee culture?

arroba Email

wesley smith

In response to Bill’s earlier thread Who said evolution wasn’t progressive, to say nothing of warm and fuzzy?, Rob Crowther posted a followup here: Beasts in the Forest.

Crowther points out Discovery Institute CSC Fellow Wesley Smith has a quote appearing on Starbuck’s coffee cups. Although Smith’s quote is outside ID proper, one can conceive of it as a quote reflective of the values of many in the pro-ID community.

The morality of the 21st century will depend on how we respond to this simple but profound question: Does every human life have equal moral value simply and merely because it is human? Answer yes, and we have a chance of achieving universal human rights. Answer no, and it means that we are merely another animal in the forest.

Wesley Smith
senior fellow with the Discovery Institute

So nice to see the phrase “Discovery Institute” on Starbucks Coffee!

That said, “What quote would you like to see on a Starbuck’s coffee cup???”


[...] This is the second Discovery Institute CSC fellow to appear on a Starbucks Coffee cup. The first was Wesley Smith. [...] ID Proponent Jonathan Wells on Starbucks Coffee Cups | Uncommon Descent
I noticed that a couple months ago. I saved the coffee cup. Never did a carmel machiatto for 4$ taste so good madhatter
Its a real hit generator for Discovery.org--I like to see a quote that can stop evolutionary scientist right in their tracks like Leslie Orgel's "The information content of a structure is the minimum number of instructions needed to specify the structure." platolives
I, for one, think it's a lovely quote that could be appreciated by anyone regardless of their beliefs. There's some pretty low scum that hangs around Pharyngula; I've realized that for a while now. crandaddy
Some quotes from the gang at Pharyngula over the Smith's coffee cup:
I have no need or tolerance for Starbucks attempt to get me engaged in a talk about religion ... Putting idiotic vapid quotes on your company's cups for the mere act of appeasement is spineless. Tell the dim-wits (i.e. religionists) that their quotes are a waste of ink and neural transmitter. ... If a large corporation can't muster enough fortitude to stand up to the intimidation of the religious chauvinists, then who will? ... Adding a preachy message about morality to their cups certainly shows the hypocricy of this corporate machine.
Salvador HT Kruaze for digging them up. I don't have the patience to wade through the dreck at pharyngula. scordova
HEY! People are actually reading what I post up here. http://punkassblog.com/2006/09/01/starbucks-makes-an-unintelligent-design-decision/ Pharyngula and Telic Thoughts I was not able to get the full title of Wesley Smith on the cup because it was too hard to see. Krauze thinks it says, "Bioethecist" so the title is "Bioethecist and senior fellow with the Discovery Institute" Salvador scordova
Carlos, I've always liked that one too. I say something of the same thing to my materialist friends (I cannot attribute it, but it is not original with me): "I will stop believing in God when someone can tell me why there is something instead of nothing." Does anyone seriously believe the universe created itself? BarryA
"You don’t get to disclaim ID by picking a starting point for evolution where the hardest part [ie: after the symbiotic relationship between DNA and ribosome has been established] is already done" DaveScot es58
Most Excellent. This would be great exposure, except that it would likely be covered up by the cardboard insulating sleeve. So it's good exposure, at least. EJ Klone
quote: "I cannot see how to refute the argument for the subjectivity of ethical values, but I find myself incapable of believing that all that is wrong with wanton cruelty is that I don't like it." Bertrand Russell in a nutshell, no absolutes means NO morality es58
On the value of human life... Over at Pharyngula, PZ is beating up Starbucks over one of the quotes on their cups. The quote is by Discovery Institute fellow Wesley Smith, and it reads:The morality of the 21st century will depend on how we respond to... The Questionable Authority
Re: (6). LW is always good for the quips, for sure. I've long been fond of this one: "It is not how things are in the world that is mystical, but that it exists." (Alternative translation: "Not how the world is, is the mystical, but that it is.") Carlos
hi tina, It is indeed an embarassment, but sadly not unexpected. A wise person millenia ago once spoke about fundamentalists and their petty tendencies to strain at gnats (or throw-away coffee cups...) and swallow camels. Sigh. Too bad they seem not to have read his stuff... SteveB
Todd asked: Did my post from last night get trapped in the spam filter?
Apparently so. We have it set on a pretty high threshhold so even mine get caught. Please alert me here if somehting is trapped, and I'll try to sort through it if I'm around (which is not always). Great to see you again, by the way! regards, Salvador scordova
the brouhaha over the "promotion of a homosexual lifestyle" because of a silly quotation on a paper cup was an embarassment as far as I am concerned: ever seen the skit 'church lady' on Saturday Night Live? Such intolerance and hysteria over, literally, NOTHING does more damage to genuine conservatism than I think we can calculate. tinabrewer
This may prove to be interesting. Baylor University forced all campus Starbucks to remove a cup last year because it promoted a homosexual lifestyle. It'll be interesting to see what they do this time. Given, those who protested the removal of the former cup under the claim of freedom of speech will probably advocate the removal of this one based on the claim of freedom of stupidity (well, maybe not the last part). Anyway, here's the quote I'd like to see on a Starbucks cup: "It [evolution] appeals to every part of me except my reason...I believe it no longer." -C.S. Lewis (The Funeral of a Great Myth) SChen24
Did my post from last night get trapped in the spam filter? todd
I think this Ludwig Wittgenstein quote would spark a lot of debate: “Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of language.” Some of the posts on this blog illustrate this nicely. For example, in a previous post Tom English, in attempting to refute the Mount Rushmore design inference, is reduced to saying: “Mount Rushmore is not natural . . . it is supernatural.” Tom’s favorite internet acronym is “ROTFLOL.” Hey Tom, if you did not spend so much time rolling around on the floor laughing, you might realize that in Wittgenstein’s battle you have been soundly thrashed. BarryA
I don’t get it. What’s a quote of Smith’s doing on a Starbuck’s coffee cup? Does my confusion have something to do with the fact that I hardly ever go to Starbuck’s coffee shops?
I was pretty astonished too. I was thinking, "did I just read what I thought I read? Discovery Institute on Starbuck Coffee cups?" Here is part of the explanation here at Theology and Human Nature
For you coffee buffs out there, you may have heard that Starbucks is running a campaign called, "The Way I See It". Starbucks states they have "always supported a good healthy discussion" and in the tradition of coffee houses, to spark good conversations, they have enlisted a "collection of thoughts, opinions and expressions provided by notable figures", which they print on their coffee cups to encourage good conversations amongst their customers. The quotes you see on Starbucks cups have sparked conversation as well as controversy. Notable figures such as comedian, Steve Martin, musician, LeAnn Rimes, Nobel laureate, Dr. David Baltimore and author, Carl Hiaasen, have penned their worldview quotes to initiate good conversation while sipping coffee. And author, Armistead Maupin's quote was so controversial it caused Baylor University to pull 500 cups from their campus Starbucks. A few weeks ago, CBC's own Special Consultant, Wesley J. Smith had his quote unveiled as coffee cup quote #127 was released.
I don't get it. What's a quote of Smith's doing on a Starbuck's coffee cup? Does my confusion have something to do with the fact that I hardly ever go to Starbuck's coffee shops? crandaddy
Increasingly, science is showing how special our universe and we are, which has raised questions about whether it was indeed planned or influenced. Charles Townes, Nobel Laureate in Physics, Inventor of the Laser
Our Sages have said "It is impossible to give a full account of the Creation to man. Therefore Scripture simply tells us, In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth". Thus they have suggested that this subject is a deep mystery, and in the words of Solomon, "Far off and exceedingly deep, who can find it out?". It has been treated in metaphors in order that the uneducated may comprehend it according to the measure of their faculties and the feebleness of their apprehension, while educated persons may take it in a different sense. - Moses Maimonides, The Guide for the Perplexed (from the Prefatory Remarks) todd
“What quote would you like to see on a Starbuck’s coffee cup???” "We are all prisoners of a rigid conception of what is important and what is not. We anxiously follow what we suppose to important while what we suppose to be unimportant wages guerilla war behind our backs, transforming the world without our knowledge and eventually mounting a suprise attack on us." -- Milan Kundera Carlos

Leave a Reply