Uncommon Descent Serving The Intelligent Design Community
File_Francis_Schaeffer

What was the alleged “Dominionist” theologian, Francis Schaeffer, doing back in the 1950’s – 80’s?

Share
Facebook
Twitter
LinkedIn
Flipboard
Print
Email
The late Francis Schaeffer, 1912 - 1984

One of the recent brouhahas in the rising “silly season” of the 2012 US election cycle, is how certain ID-friendly candidates such as Mrs Michelle Bachmann, are allegedly Christo-fascist “Dominionists” influenced by that nefarious “Dominionist,” the late theologian, Francis Schaeffer.

All of this is in a context where, in the recent Aug 17, 2011 B4U-ACT pro pedophilia conference, we heard academic advocates asserting that:

Our society should “maximize individual liberty. We have a highly moralistic society that is not consistent with liberty.” [Cf.onward UD post here.]

Of course, this patently and potentially destructively confuses license for true liberty, as can be easily seen by comparing the classic definitions in the Webster’s 1828 Dictionary:

LIB’ERTY, n. [L. libertas, from liber, free.] . . .

3. Civil liberty, is the liberty of men in a state of society, or natural liberty [i.e. sense 1: “. . .  the power of acting as one thinks fit, without any restraint or control, except from the laws of nature.”], so far only abridged and restrained, as is necessary and expedient for the safety and interest of the society, state or nation. A restraint of natural liberty, not necessary or expedient for the public, is tyranny or oppression. civil liberty is an exemption from the arbitrary will of others, which exemption is secured by established laws, which restrain every man from injuring or controlling another. Hence the restraints of law are essential to civil liberty.The liberty of one depends not so much on the removal of all restraint from him, as on the due restraint upon the liberty of others. In this sentence, the latter word liberty denotes natural liberty.

LI’CENSE, n. [L. licentia, from liceo, to be permitted.] . . .

2. Excess of liberty; exorbitant freedom; freedom abused, or used in contempt of law or decorum.License they mean, when they cry liberty.

It is worth pausing to see and to note how, again and again, we can see how insightful George Orwell’s 1984 was: the willful corruption of language is the first step to shackling men’s minds to a new tyranny.

Plato's Cave of mental slavery by shadow shows confused for reality (Source: University of Fort Hare, SA, Phil. Dept.)

In addition, we must recognise the close link between genuine liberty, duties and rights, for without duties of neighbourliness in the circle of the civil peace of justice,  there can be no basis for rights.

Likewise, when we hear silly smear-words like “Christo-fascist” being tossed around, it is a helpful first cross check to notice that the most notorious case in point of Fascism, was called National SOCIALISM.  (Without endorsing all that is said in the links, take a quick look here and here  for an eye-opener.)

Having cleared the air of some poisonous and polarising smoke, we can now see clearly enough to understand Francis Schaeffer a bit better, as an example of a Christian thinker responding responsibly to the key worldview trends and issues of our civilisation, at a serious level.

(Not least, we should note the pioneering significance of Schaeffer in this regard, as the man who almost single-handedly taught evangelical Christians in the generation of the 1950’s – 80’s, to think in worldview terms, and to engage the cultural and spiritual implications of worldviews. And as a pivotal pioneer who had vast impact within the church and significant impact on many lost souls and the wider Western Culture at large in the era of despair in the aftermath of the shockingly dark age revealed by the horrors of two World Wars and the looming shadow of global nuclear war and/or Communist conquest, we should not disown him or dismiss his heritage because of whatever inevitable flaws we will find there. For, we are all finite, fallible, morally falling/struggling, and more often ill-willed than we like to admit.)

Thanks to some sterling contributions by longtime UD commenter and contributor  StephenB, we may now adapt  Steve Sawyer’s Amazon reader review [as adjusted to clarify and correct the analysis] as a pretty good start point for a renewed, critically aware appreciation:

Schaeffer sees the true beginning of the humanistic Renaissance in the work of Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274). [Here, we must correct:] Aquinas’ dualistic Grace/Nature scheme [for analysing ways different truths are warranted as knowledge] was useful in many ways, but its critical flaw was in failing to [fully draw out and underscore the impacts of] recognize man’s fallen intellect along with his fallen will [in engaging the issue of natural theology in certain key much- referred- to texts, where natural theology in light of Rom 1:18 – 24 & 28 – 32, Eph 4:17 – 24, 2 Cor 10:4 – 5 and Ac 17:16 – 34 is inescapably an exploration of what we can learn and warrant about God from observing our common world, and our hearts and minds within]. [While] Aquinas [From Summa Theol I Q 85, Art 3 clearly] saw man’s intellect as essentially undamaged [wounded and impaired] by the Fall [when he set up the project of natural theology in Summa Theol I, Question 1, he did not there and then fully address the emphatic concerns Paul had on how a fallen and willfully rebellious, warped mind can find itself inexcusably caught up in a stubborn rejection of the evidence from our world and from our inner life that points strongly to God; willfully locking God out from the sphere of knowledge and thus triggering chaos in one’s life and community]. This [understandable — Aquinas lived in a place and time in which the existence of God seemed all but self evident — want of full emphasis] had the unfortunate [and plainly unintended] consequence of setting up [a way for others in future generations to improperly treat] man’s intellect as autonomous and independent.

Aquinas [had] adapted parts of Greek [and Islamic] philosophy to Christianity [and also drew on Paul’s note in Rom 1:19 – 20 that there is enough evidence in the world to strongly point us to God], [however, he did not “there and then”  sufficiently emphasise what follows in vv. 21 – 32, on how we can end up suppressing that testimony, setting up systems of thought and ways of life that suppress that evident truth.]

[In looking back, we can see that] perhaps most importantly (and with the most negative consequences) [he then threw the weight of his focus on how an exploration of what would later be called natural theology, draws a distinction between what is common to man: natural reason, and what must be drawn from revelation by grace through faith. Commendably, he expressed his strong confidence in the truth we can know from revelation and even stated that truths of grace should correct our errors in using our natural reason.] [However, what in the end counted in the hands of later men of a more skeptical bent,] was  his emphasis on the [difference between what can be learned naturally and what must be learned from revelation, which invited others to take up a fully] dualistic view of man and world as represented by the Grace/Nature split. As Schaeffer stresses, the main danger of a dualistic scheme is that, eventually, the lower sphere “eats up” the upper sphere. Another way to say the same thing is, once the lower sphere is given “autonomy,” it tends to deny the existence or importance of whatever is in the upper sphere in support of its own autonomy.

Schaeffer explains how the Grace/Nature dualism eventually became the Freedom/Nature, then the Faith/Rationality split. He introduces his interesting idea of the Line of Despair, which began in philosophy with Hegelian relativism [and with Kant’s similar dichotomising of the world of experience from the inner life of the conscious mind joined to his dismissal of the concept of self-evident truth] . Kierkegaard was the first major figure after this line. The line of despair is the point in history at which philosophers (and others) gave up on the age-old hope of a unified (i.e. not dualistic) answer for knowledge and life.

This new despairing way of thinking spread in 3 ways; geographically, from Germany outward to Europe, England and finally much later to America. Then by classes, from the intellectuals to the workers via the mass media (the middle classes were largely unaffected and remained a product of the Reformation, thankfully for stability, but this is why the middle class didn’t understand its own children). Finally, it spread by disciplines; philosophy (Hegel), art (post-impressionists), music (Debussy), general culture (early T S Eliot)…then lastly theology (Barth).

Once this way of thinking set in, Schaeffer explains the need for “the leap,” promoted by both secular and religious existentialists. On the secular side, Sartre located this leap in “authenticating oneself by an act of the will,” Jaspers spoke of the need for the “final experience” and Heidegger talked of ‘angst,’ the vague sense of dread resulting from the separation of hope from the rational ‘downstairs.’ On the religious side, we have Barth preaching the lack of any interchange between the upper and lower spheres, using the higher criticism to debunk parts of the Bible, but saying we should believe it anyway. “‘Religious truth’ is separated from the historical truth of the Scriptures. Thus there is no place for reason and no point of verification. This constitutes the leap in religious terms. Aquinas opened the door to an independent man downstairs, a natural theology and a philosophy which were both autonomous from the Scriptures. This has led, in secular thinking, to the necessity of finally placing all hope in a non-rational upstairs” (p. 53, thus the book’s title). This is in contrast to the biblical and Reformation message that even though man is fallen, he can and must search the scriptures to find the verifiable truth. Schaeffer devotes a lot of space in his book to illustrating the many ways modern men have taken this “leap,” assuming there is no rational way upstairs.

Schaeffer ends with a call to reject dualism and return to the reformation view of the scriptures, which is that God has spoken truth not only about Himself, but about the cosmos and history (p. 83). In order to do this, man must give up rationalism (i.e. autonomous reason), but by doing so he can retrieve rationality. “Modern man longs for a different answer than the answer of his damnation. He did not accept the Line of Despair and the dichotomy because he wanted to. He accepted it because, on the basis of the natural development of his rationalistic presuppositions, he had to. He may talk bravely at times, but in the end it is despair” (p. 82). No area of life can be autonomous of what God has said, since this will inevitably lead to the destruction of all value (including God, freedom and man). By placing all human activity within the framework of what God has told us, “it gives us the form inside which, being finite, freedom is possible” (p. 84).

God created man as significant, and he still is, even in his fallen and lost state. He is not a machine, plant or animal. He continues to bear the marks of “mannishness” (p. 89): love, rationality, longing for significance, fear of non-being, and so on. He will never be nothing.

The author emphasizes the existence of certain unchanging facts, which are true regardless of the shifting tides of man’s thoughts. He challenges Christians to understand these tides and speak the unchanging truth in a way that can be understood in the midst of them.

We may capture this extended, somewhat corrected Schaefferian vision in two diagrams based on his famous Grace/Nature Dichotomy and Line of Despair diagrams in Escape from Reason.

In the first diagram, we see how once the unity of grace and nature is compromised, nature tends to become autonomous and “eats up” grace. As Schaeffer came to accept by the time of his 1982 revised edition of Escape from Reason, the actual dichotomising occurred under those who succeeded Aquinas, as the project of natural theology took up a life of its own and natural reasoning became increasingly autonomous and eventually increasingly skeptical, leading to a fundamental and in the end irreconcilable disjointedness in the worldview of Western Man:

Dichotomising nature and grace leads to inescapable disjointedness in western man's worldview

In the second diagram, we look at the timeline that follows, as the project of natural theology was challenged increasingly by autonomous rationalising then eventually outright naturalistic skepticism; of course culminating in Darwinism; which is seen by the dominant part intellectual elites as making the apparent design of life credibly only apparent — though the problem of imposed a priori Lewontinian materialism significantly undercuts that case for those who understand that issue.

This also provides a capital case in point of how a priori, censoring worldview level commitments block people from receiving the actual force of evidence that may be presented by those involved in a natural theology exercise. Let us therefore cite the key passage in Lewontin’s 1997 NYRB article, Billions and Billions of Demons,”  as just linked:

. . . To Sagan, as to all but a few other scientists, it is self-evident [[actually, science and its knowledge claims are plainly not immediately and necessarily true on pain of absurdity, to one who understands them; this is another logical error, begging the question , confused for real self-evidence; whereby a claim shows itself not just true but true on pain of patent absurdity if one tries to deny it . . ] that the practices of science provide the surest method of putting us in contact with physical reality, and that, in contrast, the demon-haunted world rests on a set of beliefs and behaviors that fail every reasonable test  [[i.e. an assertion that tellingly reveals a hostile mindset, not a warranted claim] . . . .

It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes [[another major begging of the question . . . ] to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute [[i.e. here we see the fallacious, indoctrinated, ideological, closed mind . . . ], for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door. [And, if you have been led to think that the just following words I have deliberately omitted JUSTIFY the above tactics and question-begging, kindly read the fuller clip and notes here.]

No wonder, Philip Johnson was led to retort as follows, some months later in a First Things article:

For scientific materialists the materialism comes first; the science comes thereafter. [[Emphasis original] We might more accurately term them “materialists employing science.” And if materialism is true, then some materialistic theory of evolution has to be true simply as a matter of logical deduction, regardless of the evidence. That theory will necessarily be at least roughly like neo-Darwinism, in that it will have to involve some combination of random changes and law-like processes capable of producing complicated organisms that (in Dawkins’ words) “give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose.”
. . . .   The debate about creation and evolution is not deadlocked . . . Biblical literalism is not the issue. The issue is whether materialism and rationality are the same thing. Darwinism is based on an a priori commitment to materialism, not on a philosophically neutral assessment of the evidence. Separate the philosophy from the science, and the proud tower collapses. [[Emphasis added.] [[The Unraveling of Scientific Materialism, First Things, 77 (Nov. 1997), pp. 22 – 25.]

In short, we can see through a by now familiar case, just how much the root problem is not the strength of evidence or the quality of logic as such, but the a priori imposition of ideological materialism on origins science. Worse, Lewontin and others apparently do not realise that the claim, assumption or inference that “science [[is] the only begetter of truth” is not a claim within science but instead a philosophical claim about how we get warranted, credibly true belief, i.e. knowledge. So, they have contradicted themselves: appealing to non-scientific knowledge claims to try to deny the possibility of knowledge beyond science!

In short, professing themselves wise, we have here instead a stumbling into patent but unrecognised absurdity.

That is why Schaeffer’s focus on the historical and ideas roots of worldviews and on critically analysing the incoherence of modern secular humanist and/or neo-pagan views is so important.

In this process of course a key point to note, of course, is that Schaeffer was demonstrably incorrect to infer that Aquinas thought that the mind was not impaired by the primordial Fall. But, it is equally true that in certain key texts in Aquinas’ voluminous corpus of work — texts that in succeeding generations of discussion and debate over natural theology tended to take on a life of their own, directly and indirectly — Aquinas’ discussion of the project of natural theology did not “there and then” emphasise the issue of how even compelling evidence will be blunted in its effects by resistance to unwelcome conclusions, backed up by worldview level commitments that can make even patent truth seem absurd or simply wrong.  We just saw how decisive that can be, with Lewontinian a priori materialism. And, ironically, the issue of willful and intellectually  irresponsible blindness to evident reason actually the central emphasis in Paul’s discussion of the same natural theology themes that Aquinas based his arguments on.

On fair comment, this subtle error of emphasis opened the door to a pattern of development across time, which demands an adequate worldview level response, hence the continued relevance of Schaeffer’s work:

Extending (and correcting) Schaeffer's vision of the course of western thought, worldviews and culture, C1 - 21

Iconoclastic former Bultmannian and evangelical theologian Eta Linnemann expands on the path to and then beneath the line of despair a bit, with particular reference to modernist theology and its philosophical roots. In so doing, she shows some of the ways in which Schaeffer’s work continues to be highly relevant and valid:

Eta Linnemann, former Bultmannian NT Scholar

There is nothing in historical-critical theology that has not already made its appearance in philosophy. Bacon (1561 – 1626), Hobbes (1588 – 1679), Descartes (1596 – 1650), and Hume (1711 – 1776) laid the foundations: inductive thought as the only source of knowledge; denial of revelation; monistic worldview; separation of faith and reason; doubt as the foundation of knowledge. Hobbes and Hume established a thoroughgoing criticism of miracles; Spinoza (1632 – 1677) also helped lay the basis for biblical criticism of both Old and New Testaments. Lessing (1729 – 1781) invented the synoptic problem. Kant’s (1724 – 1804) critique of reason became the basic norm for historical-critical theology. Hegel (1770 – 1831) furnished the means for the process of demythologizing [through the Hegelian dialectic model for socio-cultural evolution] that Rudolph Bultmann (1884 – 1976) would effectively implement a century later – after the way had been prepared by Martin Kähler (1835 – 1912).

Kierkegaard (1813 – 1855) . . . reduced faith to a leap that left rationality behind. He cemented the separation of faith and reason and laid the groundwork for theology’s departure from biblical moorings . . . . by writing such criticism off as benign . . . .

Heidegger (1889 – 1976) laid the groundwork for reducing Christian faith to a possibility of self-understanding; he also had considerable influence on Bultmann’s theology. From Karl Marx . . . came theology of hope, theology of revolution, theology of liberation. [Biblical Criticism on Trial (Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel, 2001), pp. 178 – 9.]

Now, Schaeffer was in Continental Europe across the 1950′s – 70′s as an orthodox, Dutch Reformed missionary to whom the students gasping for intellectual coherence in a sea of existentialist despair, came. Came in numbers amounting to a movement. To the point where the village he was based in made it into at least one popular song. A movement that still has consequences today, to the point where conservative Evangelical and pro-ID US presidential candidate Mrs Bachmann has noted that she has been influenced by his work. Which is what has brought out the rhetorical knife-men.

We can set them and their notorious trifecta tactics — distract, distort, and demonise to dismiss —  to one side.

Back on topic.

Fundamentally, then, critical analysis of worldviews and their cultural implications was what Schaeffer was doing, and sufficiently well that when he passed away from cancer in 1984, major news magazines noted on his life work with a modicum of respect.

He was doing so in an atmosphere dominated by the great lights of learning in Europe who were building an existentialist worldview out of the wreckage of two world wars and the collapse of the academy as a leader in enlightenment (and under the distant looming shadow of the heirs of Marx and Lenin), given the dark age the horrible wars demonstrated beyond all doubt.

Don’t forget, one of the leading lights used to tell his students that the first thing is to make sure you don’t commit suicide. And, the description of a man who came to him, clinging to the fading memory of a “final experience” as an anchor for a sense of being in contact with something that can be seen as objective reality, as a drowning man clutches a straw, is iconic of his underlying compassion.

That should be respected, and we should reckon with Schaeffer’s successes as well as his limitations, whether or not we in the end agree with him on all or even most points.

Beyond that, the current Alinskyite attempt to turn him — live donkeys kicking a 26 years dead lion — into a strawmannish scapegoat to score cheap propaganda points off Bachmann et al, is despicable.

This brings us back to the debate over whether Schaeffer was right to talk of Aquinas as in effect innovator of the Nature/Grace dichotomy.

From the above corrected summary, we can see why many scholars say you can find antecedents, and it is arguable that Aquinas’ intent was to reach out to those who do not receive the scriptures by finding common ground, helping to close the nature-grace gap. But of course, Aquinas was the towering figure, who lived and taught in France and Italy, writing voluminously.

So, as fair comment: though Aquinas plainly sought to bridge the gap between reason and revelation, and sought to emphasise that God’s truth is true and will correct man’s errors, the gap in especially introductory remarks, where his framing of natural theology approaches did not — to my mind — sufficiently highlight Paul’s warning on the possibility of suppressing knowable truth about God on nature, and our experience of being minded, deciding, enconscienced, morally and rationally governed creatures, inadvertently helped to spread the nature-grace issue far and wide.

Thus, we come to the famous — and famously flawed — five ways (cf skeletisation here and discussions with videos here)  for arguing to the reality of God under the project of natural theology. In later centuries, enlightenment era skeptical thinkers would use these as a pivot for arguing that in fact reason shows that there is no solid and indubitable evidence pointing to God.  But also, long before that would happen, men were already setting nature up in its own right as an independent realm of thought, and soon nature would begin to eat up grace in their minds.

The better part of a millennium later, we therefore know the consequences of claiming “proofs” of God accessible to any reasoning man. Namely, through the rise of the skeptical spirit, anything — save “Science”! — that modern men are disinclined to hear that does not amount to an absolute proof beyond doubt to all rational minds  is dismissed with the assertion “there is NO EVIDENCE.”

Of course, the suspicious gap on the subject of science reveals the selective hyperskepticism at work: matters of fact (and so also matters rooted in facts) are generally not demonstrable beyond all doubt on axioms acceptable to all. So, if you don’t like the conclusion and cannot overturn the logic, object to the premises. Even if otherwise similar matters would be accepted as a matter of course.

And that is why for instance we so often see objectors here at UD pointing to “assumptions” and dismissing reasoned arguments on inference to best explanation across live options.

So the key challenge –as say Simon Greenleaf highlighted in his classic treatise on Evidence, from Ch 1 on — is that one must have a reasonable and responsible consistency in standards of warrant on important matters of fact or matters rooted in facts. We thus see the standard of reasonable and consistent, albeit provisional warrant that appears in all sorts of serious contexts such as the courtroom, history, science [especially origins sciences], and many matters of affairs.

As Greenleaf explains in the just linked treatise, with particular emphasis on the courtroom:

The word Evidence, in legal acceptation, includes all the means by which any alleged matter of fact, the truth of which is submitted to investigation, is established or disproved . . . .

None but mathematical truth is susceptible of that high degree of evidence, called demonstration, which excludes all possibility of error [Greenleaf was almost a century before Godel] , and which, therefore, may reasonably be required in support of every mathematical deduction. Matters of fact are proved by moral evidence alone ; by which is meant, not only that kind of evidence which is employed on subjects connected with moral conduct, but all the evidence which is not obtained either from intuition, or from demonstration.

In the ordinary affairs of life, we do not require demonstrative evidence, because it is not consistent with the nature of the subject, and to insist upon it would be unreasonable and absurd. The most that can be affirmed of such things, is, that there is no reasonable doubt concerning them. The true question, therefore, in trials of fact, is not whether it is possible that the testimony may be false, but, whether there is sufficient probability of its truth; that is, whether the facts are shown by competent and satisfactory evidence. Things established by competent and satisfactory evidence are said to he proved . . . .

By competent evidence, is meant that which the very-nature of the thing to be proved requires, as the fit and appropriate proof in the particular case, such as the production of a writing, where its contents are the subject of inquiry. By satisfactory evidence, which is sometimes called sufficient evidence, is intended that amount of proof, which ordinarily satisfies an unprejudiced mind, beyond reasonable doubt. The circumstances which will amount to this degree of proof can never be previously defined; the only legal test of which they are susceptible, is their sufficiency to satisfy the mind and conscience of a common man ; and so to convince him, that he would venture to act upon that conviction, in matters of the highest joncern and importance to his own interest . . . .

Even of mathematical truths, [Gambler, in The Study of Moral Evidence] justly remarks, that, though capable of demonstration, they are admitted by most men solely on the moral evidence of general notoriety. For most men are neither able themselves to understand mathematical demonstrations, nor have they, ordinarily, for their truth, the testimony of those who do understand them; but finding them generally believed in the world, they also believe them. Their belief is afterwards confirmed by experience; for whenever there is occasion to apply them, they are found to lead to just conclusions. [A Treatise on the Law of Evidence, 11th edn, 1868 [?], vol 1 Ch 1, , pp. 45 – 46.]

The best overall approach to these matters, then — which BTW, instantly removes the force of accusations on question-begging — is to objectively compare the difficulties of competing explanations on responsible and well-informed abductive inference to best explanation per factual adequacy, coherence and explanatory power.

Through using that approach, we can look at the question of sound or at least trustworthy and reasonable worldviews foundations in light of the fact that we all have to start from key first principles of right reason, and also that every argument or inference has roots. Similarly, when we look at or touch something and accept it as real, we are accepting the testimony of fallible senses. So, there is a reasonable question as to why we should accept such.

The logical structure then is: A, because of B. But B then needs C, . . .

It’s turtles, standing on turtles . . .

"Turtles, all the way down . . . "

So, our choice is clear: (1) infinite regress [absurd], (2) circularity [question-begging], or (3) some cluster of first plausibles that define a worldview foundational faith-point.

Some of those first plausibles, we may believe, are self-evident: true and necessarily true once understood, on pain if immediate and patent self-contradiction. For instance, Josiah Royce’s “error exists,” is uncontroversially true. But also, if we try to deny it, we see that the denial is self contradictory as we have P: error exists, and Q: no error exists in front of us. At least one must be in error, and it is obviously Q, on the easily understood meaning of P. (And even if we were to insist that it is P, then P would be seen as true as it is self-referential.)

However, it is notorious that no worldview of consequence can be built up solely from self-evident start points. We are back at the project of comparative difficulties, and plainly neither infinite regress nor circularity are satisfactory. The only reasonable solution is to put the serious options on the table and compare them in light of what we know and can analyse.

I am fairly sure Schaeffer knew (probably from experience) that trying to debate Aquinas’ five ways and modern extensions or refinements thereof as though these are proofs accessible to all men, would only open up side tracks and strawman issues, frustrating serous progress.

So, instead, he went for Paul’s Mars Hill solution: blow up the system from its cracked foundations. In Paul’s case his subtle point is there in his opening remarks to the Areopagites in Acts 17: here we are in the most prestigious centre of learning and inquiry for our civilisation, and on the most important possible point of knowledge, the root of our being, the whole city has had to build and maintain a public monument to ignorance, the famous altar to the UNKNOWN God.

Kaboom!

(You may laugh him off and dismissively brush him aside, but that was the decisive blow; delivered in his opening words. The classical synthesis was irretrievably bankrupt, and this had been exposed, not only in the empty idols but the institutionalised ignorance of the learned on the most important issue of knowledge of all; the very root of our being.)

In Schaeffer’s work, especially through his partnership with Rookmaaker on the arts as an expression of foundational assumptions in a culture, he continually highlighted the key cracks in the foundations of modern thought (and what we now call post modern — more accurately, ULTRA-modern (as in push the volume knob to eleven, not just ten) — thought).

Actually, that is just what Paul did in Athens, when he pointed to the temples, idols on every street corner and the now famous altar to the unknown God.

As I have said already, Schaeffer read Paul with a profound insight.

There are ever so many deeply symbolic and revealing features in statues, architecture, paintings, poems, novels, the structures of government, the structures of laws and state documents, the way universities and institutions such as science operate, etc etc etc. So, the first task of worldview reformation is to throw the spotlight on the fatally cracked foundation of the proud monument to humanistic achievements, and toss in the already fuzed stick of analytical — note to strawmannising objectors: metaphor not call to violence — dynamite.

Kaboom!

The bankrupt system implodes and collapses.

(BTW, bin Laden, it seems, was trying that all too literally and with tellingly callous disregard for innocent life. Planes were invented, notoriously by Americans, as were Skyscrapers. So, he crashed the one into the other, to bring the latter down; hoping to crash the American Economy too, which was more nearly successful — a US$ 100 billion blow was no small potatoes — than we want to remember. Even the date was significant, 318 years, less one day, from the Jan Sobieski-led cavalry charge that broke the 1683 siege of Vienna in the strategic heart of Europe; and turned back the Islamist military thrust permanently, i.e UBL was advertising to those who knew, that he was bidding to take over from the last high water mark of the Caliphate.)

But, if you are going to analytically — never, never, never, literally!!! — blow up an old order you had better have a sound alternative.

And, that was Schaeffer’s key contribution: contrasting the reformation with the renaissance, he underscored how the former did not face the fatally revealing incoherence in what would become the line of despair as the gap in the system of thought that started with nature vs grace and ended with essentially deterministic mechanical reason vs freedom, proved unbridgeable.

So, he effectively took us back to the key point Paul was making on Mars Hill:

Ac 17: 22 . . . Paul, standing in the midst of the Areopagus, said: “Men of Athens, I perceive that in every way you are very religious. 23 For as I passed along and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription, ‘To the unknown god.’ What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you. 24 The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man,2 25 nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything. 26 And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, 27 that they should seek God, in the hope that they might feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, 28 for

“‘In him we live and move and have our being’;3

as even some of your own poets have said,

“‘For we are indeed his offspring.’

29 Being then God’s offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man. 30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, 31 because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”

32 Now when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked. But others said, “We will hear you again about this.” 33 So Paul went out from their midst. 34 But some men joined him and believed, among whom also were Dionysius the Areopagite and a woman named Damaris and others with them. [Of course from such slender beginnings, the gospel and the Christian faith founded on it peacefully prevailed in Greek culture, in the teeth of mocking dismissals, slanderous and spiteful caricatures, and waves of brutal persecution.] [ESV]

In short, He is there and is not silent.

So, we ought to listen to Him, and renew our souls and wider civilisation based on his wisdom, not our own fatally flawed misunderstandings.

What is the relevance of all this to the design theory debates?

1: It shows us that conceiving of design theory or wider science as a project in natural theology considered as “proving God” through the teleological argument is a predictably futile endeavour. Matters of facts and best explanations of facts simply are not matters of demonstrative proof.

2: It shows us that the exposure of the scientific and logical bankruptcy of imposed a priori Lewontinian materialism, is a first step to restoring sound science and sound science education, especially on origins.

3: It highlights the importance of worldviews thinking and analysis in preparing the groundwork for sound science, and for a soundly scientifically informed worldview.

4: It highlights that we should always be aware of how worldviews foundations and prestigious institutions of learning — whether the thinking of the dominating elites is sound or not — strongly shape how we think, what seems reasonable to us, how we make morally tinged decisions, and how our culture consequently develops, for good or ill.

5: It points out how dominant elites, even when the cracked foundations of their proud systems have been exposed, tend to dismiss and even ridicule criticism, so that real reformation tends to come from the margins and only after a time (pessimists say the old generation has to die off first) of controversy and cultural conflict — which can get pretty nasty — will a new order emerge.

6: We see also, in the face of Dionysius the Areopagite — remembered afterwards as the first Bishop of Athens and its patron saint — the importance of sponsorship from the elites or at least a sufficient power centre, for a new idea to succeed. (That’s why the old order tends to turn on any such with especial ferocity, as Dr Sternberg found out, and as the ID-friendly candidates for the upcoming US Election cycle will find out. [For that matter, this is part of why Paul himself was such a lightning rod in C1: he was, after all, “a Pharisee of the Pharisees.” TRAITOR!, they cry as they pounce on such.])

7: Last, but not least, it shows that reformation of an entrenched but fatally flawed order is possible. As is happening (ever so slowly, and with fits and starts) with science and science education in our day.

______________

So, while clearly the silly rhetoric that ID is creationism in a cheap tuxedo fronting a Christofascist totalitarian theocratic agenda is obviously a sticking plaster intended to cover up and distract from the fatal cracks in the foundation of a priori materialism imposed on science, science education and the wider culture, long-term we cannot simply plaster over a fatal structural defect.

The evolutionary materialist old order in our day is coming down, crashing due to its own fatal cracks. Already, we are hearing some pretty alarming creaks and pops, and things are beginning to sway and shake.

So, task number one for design theory is that we need to build a new order for science, on a sounder footing. (Or, perhaps, restore and update an older, sounder order, e.g. cf. Newton’s thoughts here and here.)

And, in so doing, we must be patient (and even compassionate) as the mortally embarrassed materialistic elite lashes out with desperate ferocity now that the fatal crack has had the cover-up plaster stripped off for those with eyes to see and ears to hear. END

Comments
Neatkairosfocus
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
07:20 PM
7
07
20
PM
PDT
F/N: Clipping ST, First Part, opening remarks:
>> Whether, besides Philosophy, any Further Doctrine Is Required? Objection 1: It seems that, besides philosophical science, we have no need of any further knowledge. For man should not seek to know what is above reason: "Seek not the things that are too high for thee" (Ecclus. 3:22). But whatever is not above reason is fully treated of in philosophical science. Therefore any other knowledge besides philosophical science is superfluous. Obj. 2: Further, knowledge can be concerned only with being, for nothing can be known, save what is true; and all that is, is true. But everything that is, is treated of in philosophical science—even God Himself; so that there is a part of philosophy called theology, or the divine science, as Aristotle has proved (Metaph. vi). Therefore, besides philosophical science, there is no need of any further knowledge. On the contrary, It is written (2 Tim. 3:16): "All Scripture inspired of God is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice." Now Scripture, inspired of God, is no part of philosophical science, which has been built up by human reason. Therefore it is useful that besides philosophical science, there should be other knowledge, i.e. inspired of God I answer that, It was necessary for man's salvation that there should be a knowledge revealed by God besides philosophical science built up by human reason. Firstly, indeed, because man is directed to God, as to an end that surpasses the grasp of his reason: "The eye hath not seen, O God, besides Thee, what things Thou hast prepared for them that wait for Thee" (Isa. 66:4). But the end must first be known by men who are to direct their thoughts and actions to the end. Hence it was necessary for the salvation of man that certain truths which exceed human reason should be made known to him by divine revelation. Even as regards those truths about God which human reason could have discovered, it was necessary that man should be taught by a divine revelation; because the truth about God such as reason could discover, would only be known by a few, and that after a long time, and with the admixture of many errors. Whereas man's whole salvation, which is in God, depends upon the knowledge of this truth. Therefore, in order that the salvation of men might be brought about more fitly and more surely, it was necessary that they should be taught divine truths by divine revelation. It was therefore necessary that besides philosophical science built up by reason, there should be a sacred science learned through revelation. Reply Reply Obj. 1: Although those things which are beyond man's knowledge may not be sought for by man through his reason, nevertheless, once they are revealed by God, they must be accepted by faith. Hence the sacred text continues, "For many things are shown to thee above the understanding of man" (Ecclus. 3:25). And in this, the sacred science consists. Reply Obj. 2: Sciences are differentiated according to the various means through which knowledge is obtained. For the astronomer and the physicist both may prove the same conclusion: that the earth, for instance, is round: the astronomer by means of mathematics (i.e. abstracting from matter), but the physicist by means of matter itself. Hence there is no reason why those things which may be learned from philosophical science, so far as they can be known by natural reason, may not also be taught us by another science so far as they fall within revelation. Hence theology included in sacred doctrine differs in kind from that theology which is part of philosophy. SECOND ARTICLE [I, Q. 1, Art. 2] Whether Sacred Doctrine Is a Science? Objection 1: It seems that sacred doctrine is not a science. For every science proceeds from self-evident principles. But sacred doctrine proceeds from articles of faith which are not self-evident, since their truth is not admitted by all: "For all men have not faith" (2 Thess. 3:2). Therefore sacred doctrine is not a science. Obj. 2: Further, no science deals with individual facts. But this sacred science treats of individual facts, such as the deeds of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and such like. Therefore sacred doctrine is not a science. On the contrary, Augustine says (De Trin. xiv, 1) "to this science alone belongs that whereby saving faith is begotten, nourished, protected and strengthened." But this can be said of no science except sacred doctrine. Therefore sacred doctrine is a science. I answer that, Sacred doctrine is a science. We must bear in mind that there are two kinds of sciences. There are some which proceed from a principle known by the natural light of intelligence, such as arithmetic and geometry and the like. There are some which proceed from principles known by the light of a higher science: thus the science of perspective proceeds from principles established by geometry, and music from principles established by arithmetic. So it is that sacred doctrine is a science because it proceeds from principles established by the light of a higher science, namely, the science of God and the blessed. Hence, just as the musician accepts on authority the principles taught him by the mathematician, so sacred science is established on principles revealed by God. Reply Obj. 1: The principles of any science are either in themselves self-evident, or reducible to the conclusions of a higher science; and such, as we have said, are the principles of sacred doctrine. Reply Obj. 2: Individual facts are treated of in sacred doctrine, not because it is concerned with them principally, but they are introduced rather both as examples to be followed in our lives (as in moral sciences) and in order to establish the authority of those men through whom the divine revelation, on which this sacred scripture or doctrine is based, has come down to us. >>
Here we see TA's confidence in the unity of truths, revealed and worked out on self evident first principles. He again underscores the discontinuity in warrant, noting by analogy to say a musician vs a mathematician. The skeptic, of course, will take a very different view, and the door is opened to the challenge noted on by FS. GEM of TKIkairosfocus
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
07:08 PM
7
07
08
PM
PDT
F/N: Observe these clips from SCG, Ch 2:
TA: >> CH 2: . . . taking heart from God's lovingkindness to assume the office of a wise man, although it surpasses our own powers, the purpose we have in view is, in our own weak way, to declare the truth which the Catholic faith professes, while weeding out contrary errors; for, in the words of Hilary, 2 7 acknowledge that I owe my life's chief occupa-1 Ps. ciii. 24. 3 De Trin. i. 37. tion to God, so that every word and every thought of mine may speak of Him . But it is difficult to refute the errors of each individual, for two reasons. First, because the sacrilegious assertions of each erring individual are not so well known to us, that we are able from what they say to find arguments to refute their errors. For the Doctors of old used this method in order to confute the errors of the heathens, whose opinions they were able to know, since either they had been heathens themselves, or had lived among heathens and were conversant with their teachings. Secondly, because some of them, like the Mohammedans and pagans, do not agree with us as to the authority of any Scripture whereby they may be convinced, in the same way as we are able to dispute with the Jews by means of the Old Testament, and with heretics by means of the New: whereas the former accept neither. Wherefore it is necessary to have recourse to natural reason, to which all are compelled to assent. And yet this is deficient in the things of God. And while we are occupied in the inquiry about a particular truth, we shall show what errors are excluded thereby, and how demonstrable truth is in agreement with the faith of the Christian religion. . . . . Ch 3: Since, however, not every truth is to be made known in the same way, and it is the part of an educated man to seek for conviction in each subject, only so far as the nature of the subject allows, 1 as the Philosopher most rightly observes as quoted by Boethius, 2 it is necessary to show first of all in what way it is possible to make known the aforesaid truth. Now in those things which we hold about God there is 1 i Ethic, iii. 4. a De Trin. ii. truth in two ways. For certain things that are true about God wholly surpass the capability of human reason, for instance that God is three and one : while there are certain things to which even natural reason can attain, for instance that God is, that God is one, and others like these, which even the philosophers proved demonstratively of God, being guided by the light of natural reason. That certain divine truths wholly surpass the capability of human reason, is most clearly evident. For since the principle of all the knowledge which the reason acquires about a thing, is the understanding of that thing's essence, because according to the Philosopher's teaching 1 the principle of a demonstration is what a thing is, it follows that our knowledge about a thing will be in proportion to our understanding of its essence. Wherefore, if the human intellect comprehends the essence of a particular thing, for instance a stone or a triangle, no truth about that thing will surpass the capability of human reason. But this does not happen to us in relation to God, because the human intellect is incapable by its natural power of attaining to the comprehension of His essence : since our intellect's knowledge, according to the mode of the present life, originates from the senses : so that things which are not objects of sense cannot be comprehended by the human intellect, except in so far as knowledge of them is gathered from sensibles. Now sensibles cannot lead our intellect to see in them what God is, because they are effects unequal to the power of their cause. And yet our intellect is led by sensibles to the divine knowledge so as to know about God that He is, and other such truths, which need to be ascribed to the first principle. Accordingly some divine truths are attainable by human reason, while others altogether surpass the power of human reason . . . >>
We see the same general pattern of thought, not surprising for two works completed in 1264. Note in particular the dichotomy on warrant, joined to confidence in degree or attainability of warrant. This opens the door to the dismissal of the fruits of natural theology as failed deductive proofs, joined to sneering at and ridicule of the truths of revelation. Plainly, not TA's intent, but the door was pushed open by men of later times, as we well know. Gkairosfocus
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
06:44 PM
6
06
44
PM
PDT
I also found an eBook version of Summa Theol from Amazon for free on Kindle. Kindle has thousands of public domain books that you can download for free. If you don't have a physical kindle device, you can download the computer version of Kindle. Here's the Mac version: http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=kcp_mac_mkt_lnd?docId=1000464931 and the PC version: http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=kcp_pc_mkt_lnd?docId=1000426311CannuckianYankee
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
06:32 PM
6
06
32
PM
PDT
NB the just above.kairosfocus
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
06:11 PM
6
06
11
PM
PDT
Steve I suspect it is more like one reality. Truth is whatever says of that reality that what is, is; and that what is not, is not. But the further issue is to identify the truth as warranted, not just a guess that might be lucky; or might not -- and that in contexts where the truth is not so obvious it is utterly undeniable, like: there is a sun in the sky. In that context, the ability of the human mind to apprehend the truth is crucial. So also, is the problem of a sinfully warped mindset that willfully suppresses the truth. Looking in Paul's Ep to the Romans, ch 1 - 2, I find there that on P's view we do have access to truth but culpably tend to suppress it, turning away from unwelcome truth and making up substitutes that then lead us to warped thinking that rejects the truth and loses control of passions. I think that issue of the tension between capacity to apprehend some basic truth and the problem of willful suppression is always back of FS' thought. This is the mindset warped by being not only fallen but willfully resistant to truth we SHOULD know. So the pivotal issue is warrant and capacity/ willingness to address warrant. FS' view, plainly, is that such a rebellious mind will declare independence of any such revelation from nature and the inner man, much less scripture, and will predictably go off and erect a new system that is more accommodating to the desired sinful lifestyle or prideful mindset. TA, on the other hand, we can take it, is in the general era of the crusade wars, and is addressing the ferment where Aristotle's teachings and Muslim commentators are challenging Christendom in the West. I think at that general time there was an internal struggle in islamic thought, on the degree of autonomy of the mind, and the degree of freedom of Allah's will. Not sure how much of that would reach the West, the other side of a major series of wars. But, maybe the tendency to absolutise Allah's will and the tendency to dispute with Christians on textual matters and doctrinal claims held to be blatantly absurd, leads to a challenge. Here are some clips from the 1264 work in rebuttal to Islamic challenges that may help clarify:
TA: >> The following are the things you say the Muslims attack and ridicule: They ridicule the fact that we say Christ is the Son of God, when God has no wife (Qur'ân 6:110; 72:3); and they think we are insane for professing three persons in God, even though we do not mean by this three gods. They also ridicule our saying that Christ the Son of God was crucified for the salvation of the human race (Qur'ân 4:157-8), for if almighty God could save the human race without the Son's suffering he could also make man so that he could not sin. They also hold against Christians their claim to eat God on the altar, and that if the body of Christ were even as big as a mountain, by now it should have been eaten up . . . . Concerning merit, which depends on free will, you assert that the Muslims and other nations hold that God's fore-knowledge or decree imposes necessity on human actions; thus they say that man cannot die or even sin unless God decrees this, and that every person has his destiny written on his forehead. On these questions you ask for moral and philosophical reasons which the Muslims can accept. For it would be useless to quote passages of Scripture against those who do not accept this authority. I wish to satisfy your request, which seems to arise from pious desire, so that you may be prepared with apostolic doctrine to satisfy anyone who asks you for an explanation . . . . First of all I wish to warn you that in disputations with unbelievers about articles of the Faith, you should not try to prove the Faith by necessary reasons. This would belittle the sublimity of the Faith, whose truth exceeds not only human minds but also those of angels; we believe in them only because they are revealed by God. Yet whatever come from the Supreme Truth cannot be false, and what is not false cannot be repudiated by any necessary reason. Just as our Faith cannot be proved by necessary reasons, because it exceeds the human mind, so because of its truth it cannot be refuted by any necessary reason. So any Christian disputing about the articles of the Faith should not try to prove the Faith, but defend the Faith. Thus blessed Peter (1 Pet 3:15) did not say: "Always have your proof", but "your answer ready," so that reason can show that what the Catholic Faith holds is not false . . . [goes on to specific debate-points] >>
We can take this as a sample of TA's approach to arguments with Muslim ideas. We do definitely see here a concept of truths of grace communicated by revelation, and the confidence that they will not be refutable by "necessary reason," which I suppose means that they will not be incoherent, nor will they contradict self-evident or otherwise indisputable fact. We see here a plain case of a dichotomy on warrantability per necessary reason. That can indeed be seen as a dichotomising of nature and grace, from at least one way of looking at it, certainly in terms of dealing with practical rationality and argument. Yes, TA would indeed see a unified truth, and holds confidence that the unity of truth will be undefeatable by necessary reason. But at the same time,there is a definite dividing line on warrant. That's going to look considerably different to one with a different (and hostile or resistant) mindset, who is going to read this as an invitation to challenge on that ground, claiming incoherence and/or contradictions to what we confidently know about the world. Even to make the Christian claims sound ridiculous, exactly what the Muslim claims advanced are saying. In the case of Muslims, the first thing specifically addressed is the idea of God having a wife. TA's defense tries to point to ways we can have mental offspring, and by analogy this extends to how God's Son will not be like our sons. Having had a few exchanges with Muslims, that is not going to be very persuasive for them [and will not work very well in protecting dhimmis under pressure in an environment of hostility and pressure -- oh, that TA had been better briefed or had key Quranic excerpts to hand . . . ], but I think his intent is to secure the believer on a defense within the accepted Christian system, not so much to prove it to the resistant mind. A more successful approach on this one is to assess the assertions of Shirk, that Mary and her son are being improperly -- idolatrously -- elevated to partnership with God. It is easy to show that no orthodox Christians have ever held the divinity of Mary, and to point out that the Incarnation is virginal and miraculous, not sexual, i.e there is a gross misunderstanding. I normally then point the credibility of the record and the historical evidence of the passion, death, burial and resurrection with 500 eyewitnesses and resurrection supernatural power in the lives of millions since. The recorded revelation is accepted on the strength of the testimony of One who had power over death, and in light of the 700+ year old prophecy of that salvific death, burial and resurrection. Along the way, dismissive accusations of text tampering etc can be addressed. But the underlying issue is that it looks fairly like the FS type reading can be seen as working on an in-practice basis, on at least one specific test case; especially from the viewpoint of unintentionally opening the door to letting nature eat up grace. Yes, there are formal declarations of the unity of truth, but at he same time we see the dichotomy on warrant, an a priori confidence in the unity of truth, and an implicit invitation to challenge. Which plainly has been followed up and backed up by the sort of commitment to a different view that Rom 1 - 2 warns against. This looks to me like a mixed bag? I suspect TA can be cited on believing that the sinful mind is warped by sin; but, if in practice a challenge like the above is given, the Rom 1 -2 factor walks in the door. Similarly, we can see a formal commitment to and confidence in the unity of truth despite a dichotomy on warrant. But, again, the way the claim is raised opens the door to a skeptical challenge. So, Schaeffer seems to have had a point, though the matter is not at all straightforward? Thoughts? Gkairosfocus
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
06:04 PM
6
06
04
PM
PDT
KF: "Looks like there are nuances in Schaeffer, and the key commitment or issue is tied to he question of the mind being de facto not irretrievably warped by the fall." Yes, this is a key question.StephenB
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
04:40 PM
4
04
40
PM
PDT
It seems like an interesting and courteous interchange. Here, though, is the irony missed by one of the debaters: Aquinas introduced the relevant distinctions in the first place in order to combat the Muslim error of a "double truth" and to argue on behalf of unified, indivisible truth. So, it is, indeed, strange that anyone, even so learned and kindly a man as Schaeffer, would come along and say that Aquinas was proposing autonomous truths that could be divided. Quite the contrary, Aquinas was not suggesting that there are two kinds of truths, but that there is one truth that can be understood and analyzed from two perspectives. In effect, Schaeffer is accusing Aquinas of the same error that Aquinas was refuting, namely the Islamic philosophy of the double truth. It really is bizarre. Aquinas, more than anyone else, was responsible for the SYNTHESIS between faith and reason, which was meant to be, and should have been interpreted as, the intellectual safeguard against the very problem that Schaeffer is fighting. Still, Schaeffer's contribution is immense because, even though his misunderstood the origin and causes of the problem, he certainly did grasp its essence. Truth cannot be divided and The "bottom story" really is gobbling up the "upper story." Aquinas would have agreed with that point because he anticipated it (or something like it) 800 years earlier.StephenB
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
04:15 PM
4
04
15
PM
PDT
Steve, at 5.2.1.2 above, I use the D-R exchange to set up the issue as I think I can make out on skeletal form, not being a Thomistic scholar. Note, I just pulled vol I of Schaeffer 5 vols, and note ch 1 EfR: >>Aquinas's view of nature and grace did not involve a complete discontinuity between the two, for he did have a concept of unity between them. From Aquinas's day on, for many years, there was a constant struggle for a unity of nature and grace and a hope that rationality would say something about both. It must be said that Thomas Aquinas certainly would not have been pleased with all that was extended from his writings as the years passed . . . . While there were good results from giving nature a better plasce, it also opened a way for much that was destructive. In Aquinas's view [check!] the will of man was fallen, but the intellect was not [is this by implication, i.e a contradiction between TA's praxis in thought and his formal declarations?]. From this incomplete view of the biblical Fall flowed subsequent difficulties. Out of this as time passed, man's intellect was seen as autonomous . . . . In this view, natural theology is a theology that could be pursued independently from the Scriptures. Aquinas certainly hoped for unity and would have said that there was a correlation between natural theology and the scriptures. But the important point in what followed was that a really autonomous area was set up. From the basis of this autonomous principle, philosophy also became increasingly free, and was separated from revelation. Therefore philosophy began to take wings, as it were and fly off wherever it wished, without relationship to the Scriptures. This does not mean that his tendency was never previously apparent, but it appears in a more total way from this time on.>> [pp, 210 - 211.] Looks like there are nuances in Schaeffer, and the key commitment or issue is tied tot he question of the mind being de facto not irretrievably warped by the fall. How can we evaluate, and draw key conclusions to build on? Gkairosfocus
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
03:06 PM
3
03
06
PM
PDT
F/N 2: Here, in essence is D's presentation on Schaeffer's case, and here too is the heart of R's retort to it: D: >> We agree that Modernity's Rationalism was crystallized in the Descartes’ axiom, "I think, therefore I am." The foundation for this axiom is the idea that man, beginning only with his reason and without resort to God's revelation in Scripture, can attain to universal truth, meaning and value. Now, who promoted this idea that became foundational to Modern Rationalism? Aquinas! St. Thomas laid its cornerstone by proclaiming that man, beginning with only his reason, can find Truth apart from Scripture. As you correctly stated, "St. Thomas affirmed that reason can arrive at truth, and that is not dependent upon theology to do so." Schaeffer said the same, "In [Aquinas'] view, natural theology is a theology that could be pursued independently from the Scriptures.” Escape from Reason, p. 11. He goes on to say: “Though it was an autonomous study, [Aquinas] hoped for unity and said that there was a correlation between natural theology and the Scriptures. But the important point in what followed was that a really autonomous area was set up. From the basis of this autonomous principle, philosophy also became free, and was separated from revelation. Therefore philosophy began to take wings, as it were, and fly off wherever it wished, without relationship to the Scriptures.... Aquinas had opened the way to an autonomous Humanism, an autonomous philosophy, and once the movement gained momentum, there was soon a flood.” Escape from Reason, pages 11-13. Thus, Aquinas begat Descartes, and Descartes begat Modern Rationalism. There is no escaping it. >> R: >> Possibly (Probably?) he has something in mind more like what St Thomas says in I q1 a1 ad2, where St Thomas says that “theology included in sacred doctrine differs in kind from that theology which is part of philosophy.” In short, I’m not sure what exactly he might be referring to. If he means by “natural theology” a theology discoverable by reason, then I’d say that Aquinas does argue on the basis of reason for a number of truths about God. And if that’s what Schaeffer means in the quotation above, then he’s got it pretty straight on that count. Unfortunately, it seems that he doesn’t stop there. “But the important point in what followed was that a really autonomous area was set up. From the basis of this autonomous principle, philosophy also became free, and was separated from revelation. Therefore philosophy began to take wings, as it were, and fly off wherever it wished, without relationship to the Scriptures.... Aquinas had opened the way to an autonomous Humanism, an autonomous philosophy, and once the movement gained momentum, there was soon a flood.” Escape from Reason, pages 11-13. But Aquinas set up no such “autonomous principle,” and this is where I say Schaeffer got things wrong (and in consequence has misrepresented St Thomas). Because (as I point out in the post) St Thomas says “Whatsoever is found in other sciences contrary to any truth of this [sacred] science must be condemned as false.” Why? Because truth cannot contradict truth. And because the truths of sacred theology are far more certain than the truths we may arrive at by means of reason—owing to the fact that the truths of sacred theology are received by divine revelation—if reason and faith be found in apparent conflict, it is reason which has erred. Far from being absolutely autonomous, then, in St Thomas’ view reason goes astray when it sets aside the truths of faith. So Schaeffer errs in proposing that autonomy was “set up” by Aquinas, and it’s absurd for him to suggest otherwise. >> Seems to me that TA says some things that he intends to be held in a context of scripture and traditions, similar to Newton in his GS; and he says things that he intends as safeguards, But, others with a different intent head in a very different direction. Steve, is that beginning to capture the balance from the other side? Gkairosfocus
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
02:56 PM
2
02
56
PM
PDT
Kairosfocus: Yep, that is the idea. We fearlessly fine tune our ideas through intellectual exercise in the spirit of fraternity, friendliness, and mutual respect. Now and then I think it helps to stretch out on those rare topics that we view differently in order to discover if those differences are substantive or semantic in nature. We have everything to gain and nothing to lose.StephenB
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
02:48 PM
2
02
48
PM
PDT
Yup, CY, thanks. My thinking is to read Schaeffer right we need to track back to his MAIN source, Paul. I think he is picking up something people can and did draw out from Aquinas' corpus, whether or not that is fair to the angelic doctor. We need to balance our readings of both, and see where Schaeffer hit the nail on the head -- he is not summarising these men as a whole -- maybe he should have, but he was not like that; but he was picking up a trend and inferring roots. He is broad-brush, but we need that. Gkairosfocus
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
02:18 PM
2
02
18
PM
PDT
PS: nice summary on Aquinas. Summa Contra Gentiles here [EPUB 240 pp], Summa Theologiae here [about 4,000 pp]. --> I strongly suggest getting Firefox with the EPUB reading extension, and Sigil [text generator and editor for epub], as well as Calibre reader with conversion facilities. --> I have The Word and Esword, and I have Summa Theol in book format.kairosfocus
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
02:02 PM
2
02
02
PM
PDT
KF, I think you beat me on that one. I submitted my link just after you posted, I think. Oh well, we seem to be thinking on similar tracks.CannuckianYankee
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
01:45 PM
1
01
45
PM
PDT
Through a google search of "Francis Schaeffer on Aquinas" I found an interesting and very civil exchange between an apparent Thomist and a non-Thomist. I found it insightful. http://the-supplement.blogspot.com/2007/12/francis-schaeffer-and-aquinas.html The Thomist used a paraphrase of a quote attributed to Schaeffer to make his point regarding Schaeffer's misinterpretation of Aquinas and the non-Thomist calls him on it to the extent of a bit of a change in perspective; though with some continued disagreement. It's difficult for me to address this directly since currently my sister has the first two volumes of Shaeffer's complete works. Some time I'll have to ask for them back.CannuckianYankee
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
01:43 PM
1
01
43
PM
PDT
F/N: The blog exchange here (and follow up here) may help us see another facet of how the debate goes on, with Descartes in the middle. I suspect Petrarch, Machiavelli and others will play their own roles too, Steve. I am thinking the concepts of intersection and distinction vs opposition are going to play important roles in our own synthesis -- and folks, SB and I are on an exercise in critical synthesis (and that is the Hegel-Marx influence on my thought speaking . . . I did go to a Marxist university!) in light of the Thomist thesis, the Dutch Reformed-Schaefferian antithesis, and our own insights. This will be an exercise in how a blog exchange should go. When the dust settles, we will have a good adjustment to the original post which will be there as a reference. And, TWT et al, don't worry, we are a-comin' for you. Not, to take over your dolly house world (as you falsely allege by cartoonishly pushing into my mouth [I was actually speaking as a panel member warning on the dangers of writing judicial activism into the Caribbean Court of Justice treaty!]), but to blow up the structural cracks in the foundations of your worldview. Just like Paul of Tarsus on Mars Hill back in 50 AD. GEM of TKIkairosfocus
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
01:33 PM
1
01
33
PM
PDT
Further valid points. Let's see if we can pick up specific individuals who began the diversion from distinction to opposition. Or, will we have to settle for individuals/movements who/that represent nature gobbling up grace, in full bloom?kairosfocus
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
01:11 PM
1
01
11
PM
PDT
Kairosfocus, thanks for your response. While I agree wholeheartedly with your main theme, I must offer additional comments about the intersection of nature and grace. [Notice I didn't say "union" (one extreme) and I didn't say "separation" (the other extreme]. In my judgment, the first thing to keep in mind is the truth of the matter being discussed. If Aquinas makes a valid point, namely that nature is something different than grace, then he makes a valid point. What others may make of that point, or how they choose to misrepresent it or abuse it does not, in my judgment, warrant holding the author of that point responsible for those misrepresentations or abuses. Recall Dembski’s point that the science of Intelligent Design bears some resemblance to the Logos theory of the Gospel. He has a point. We also know how others misrepresented the point and why they did it. Was that Dembski’s fault? Should he have held back the truth knowing that those who could not grasp the subtleties involved would misapply what he said and use it against him by claiming that he said things that he did not say? I say no. On matters of substance, it must be said (and I wish that I didn't have to say it) that Schaeffer falsely attributed to Aquinas the idea that the fall harmed only the will that it left the intellect unaffected. That is simply not true. Aquinas argues forcefully that the will was weakened and the intellect was darkened. To miss that point, as Schaeffer clearly did, is to miss a great deal, and it serves as a good example of Aristotle’s point about how “little errors in the beginning” create large problems in the end. In examining the relationship between grace and nature, Schaeffer argues that nature has slowly been ‘eating up’ grace—and so it has. Indeed, as a result of secularism, the body, which is related to nature, has been, so to speak, slowly eating up the soul, which is related to grace. In like fashion, matter has been eating of form. It doesn’t follow, however, that the person responsible for this perverse set of circumstances is the one who told us that the body is something distinct from the soul or that matter is something different than form. Sorry, but for all his virtues, Schaeffer is way out of line on this one point because he bases much of his argument on a serious misunderstanding about the difference between the distinction of nature and grace, which was Aquinas’ point, and the so-called separation between nature and grace, which was not. In fact, grace perfects nature just as God’s Divine power helps us to acquire gold habits and conquer bad habits. That could hardly be the case if there was no distinction between the grace that brings the power and the nature (our nature) that has been positively influenced by that power. Having said all that, I re-emphasize and echo your original point that securists are, in their own way, misrepresenting Schaeffer and those who have been blessed by his positive influence, especially the ridiculous charge that he and his admirers, of which I am one, seek a political theocracy. Ridiculous!StephenB
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
12:56 PM
12
12
56
PM
PDT
Steve: You are right, I believe, on Aquinas' intentions; the problem comes from the effect of his teachings in the hands of an increasingly skeptical, secularised elites across time. Whether or not the issue was a misreading, it was real and the nature eats up grace effect [and its successors up to the current line of despair phenomenon] was even more real. Certainly by the time of the renaissance, we definitely have an anti-Christian humanism at work, and nature eating up grace. When I see Machiavelli, the pattern is blatant. Petrarch's willful inversion of light and dark imagery to create the perception of the dark middle ages, is similar. And so forth. I can see a very similar pattern with Newton and the Newtonians who built on his work. When I read the General Scholium and the Opticks Query 31, I see one Newton. When I reflect on the pattern of Newtonian thought as it developed and fed into Deism and onward Positivism and the like, I see a very different thing. We can start with Laplace's "I have no need of THAT hypothesis." My thought is, that unintended consequences and emphases can come along and lead in directions we did not at all intend. For that matter, I suspect Marx would have been shocked to see what a Lenin would do, much less a Stalin, a Mao or a Pol Pot. So, in our time, we need to build on what was handed on down to us. In the case of Schaeffer, my thought is that the key contributions pivot on his reading of Paul; we can adjust the readings of the line from the Middle ages, but I think the issue will be details not the overall pattern. Let's see if we can do so together. GEM of TKIkairosfocus
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
11:43 AM
11
11
43
AM
PDT
Kairosfocus, congratulations on another excellent post. Anyone who tries to extract a theocratic world view from Schaeffer's writings is simply demonstrating their ignorance, and I thank you for dramtizing this point so effectively. Please permit me to offer the following proposed amendment: Schaeffer is incorrect when he claims that Aquinas “separates” grace from nature. Quite the contrary, Aquinas is simply making a "distinction" between the two. Contrary to Schaeffer’s unfounded claims, nothing in that distinction, or for that matter, nothing in the distinction between form and matter, would lead to secularism. For all his gifts, there can be little doubt that he misread and misunderstood Aquinas. Here is the historical context: Aquinas was refuting the Islamic notion of a “double truth,” the irrational idea that something can be true in philosophy (or science) and, at the same time, be false in religion. Indeed, this idea of double truth has been resurrected in the 20th Century, exhibited in large measure by Christian Darwinists and other anti-ID partisans. Aquinas addressed the problem of double truth by making the DISTINCTION between nature and grace. He was simply pointing out that we can learn some things only by studying nature and we can learn some things only by studying Divine truth. We can analyze nature from now until the cows come home, but we will never discover anything about the Trinity. By contrast, we can scrutinize Scripture with all of our might, but we will never learn all the intricacies or all of the quantitative dimensions inherent in a “finely tuned universe.” Expanding on this point, Aquinas went one step further, insisting that some truths may be learned from BOTH sources, that is, from Scripture AND scientific/philosophical investigation. Indeed, his main point was that truth is UNIFIED, which means that we can use one aspect of truth to confirm or learn more about the other--and that neither could ever contradict the other. By understanding this composite nature of epistemology, we realize that God reveals himself through Scripture AND through nature, as Newton taught us centuries ago. Francis Schaeffer was a profound thinker and a positive influence with respect to the intellectual challenges present in 20th Century debates on secularism, but he was profoundly wrong about Aquinas, and his errors on that score are the source of much mischief and confusion.StephenB
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
11:04 AM
11
11
04
AM
PDT
What post modern man wants is not more liberty, but more license. "Let's legalize marijuana and other street drugs, let's make euthenasia legal. Let's lower the age of consent. Let's make it easier to sue big corporations." All of these issues have absolutely nothing to do with liberty. They have to do with allowing humans to do whatever they choose: license. And licence is just the issue that liberty seeks to limit in order for us to live civilly in society. In misconstruing the two, post modern humans believe that they will have more liberty. It's just the opposite.CannuckianYankee
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
10:28 AM
10
10
28
AM
PDT
KF, another great post on Schaeffer! Ciphertext, Hi. Don't think I've seen you here before. Welcome. I think part of the post modern dynamic is to turn us into subservient and dependent non-thinking (programmed) androids. The media attempts to program us to think in terms of political correctness. The educational institutions go a bit further in selling historical revision and unchecked/unmindful materialism. It's all a part of the outcome of what Schaeffer terms the "Line of despair." It's there because there really is actual evil in the world and the post modern man does not know how to respond to it. If there is no power that compels humans to be anything more than what their genes control (the only perceived inward control), then the safe response is control from without; "might makes right." So we end up with social and biological engineering as the solution to the "evil" androids who are only doing what is in their genes. The problem is that in viewing it this way, they're also redefining what they view as evil, and whatever perceived threat becomes a part of that; thus 9/11 caused a shift in thinking about religious beliefs; they are now no longer simply an irrational diversion, but a large part of what is "evil." There's no attempt to take a good hard look at the underlying bases for religious belief. It's evil because it attempts to take us on a different road than the one post modernism is taking us. It's anti-progress. It's anti-Darwin. So appeals to reason in shaping a post modern society are a thing of the past. We live in the technological age and it is our technology that will save us from ourselves, rather than our ability to reason. I think most of us are woefully inadequate in our understanding because we have been continuously fed the kibble from the post modernists. Some of it started with Darwinism, some of it started much sooner. I think you're on the right track though; science can go nowhere good without a firm foundation in philosophy.CannuckianYankee
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
10:19 AM
10
10
19
AM
PDT
What a wonderful and informative post! What is indicative that we're reaching a social tipping point is when the classically liberal (now called "conservative") theistic non-materialists running for office stop hemming and hawing and trying to contort their responses to appease the cultural "elites" and materialist gate-keepers, and simply state flat-out their rejection of the various materialist, post-modern, socialist state-as-god narratives - such as Darwinism, AGW, etc. This is happening more and more as they realize that the majority of the population yearns for leaders that reject materialist/atheistic nihilism and moral solipsism. Liberty cannot exist in a country populated by moral solipsists and relativists, nor can it exist in cooperation with any fundamentally contradictory moral system. Liberty is not License!!! What a grand cleaver of a concept to cut through the Orwellian claptrap force-fed by the legacy media, where every special-interest group erroneously (or deceptively) claims a right by principle of Liberty, but are really just conflating liberty with license to undermine and destroy the necessary and meaningful moral fabric of our nation.William J Murray
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
07:39 AM
7
07
39
AM
PDT
You know, it is with articles/postings such as this OP (and others on this site) that I realize I am woefully inadequate in my understanding of a great many "important" things. I should really should amend my reading list such as to allow myself the ability of a more complete and effective cogitation on these topics. Who was it that said Philosophy is the King of the Sciences and Theology is the Queen? Personally, I believe that our greatest scientists were philosophers first and then given to their respective "disciplines" second. Why is it, do you suppose, that we no longer require a rigorous understanding of thought (not just the scientific method) before one becomes a "scientist"? Seems like you would become a much more effective and thorough scientist after having understood the mechanisms of thought and logic. Or at the least, to understand the limits of what you can know.ciphertext
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
07:25 AM
7
07
25
AM
PDT
Strangely relevant, we'll let them stand!kairosfocus
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
05:55 AM
5
05
55
AM
PDT
Sorry, clicked "Reply" in my preview and not "Post Comment" (again!). This comment belongs to another thread: please ignore it (or delete it).Chris Doyle
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
05:50 AM
5
05
50
AM
PDT
Yes, Dmullenix, we remember Tiktaalik. Why would we forget? Don't you see that the "sudden appearance" of new body plans and species is completely contrary to the predictions of the theory of evolution? Punctuated equilibrium is merely an exercise in moving the goal posts. If you haven't watched it yet, take the time to view "Darwin's Dilemma" you can see it online, for free, and it will explain to you the scale of the problem that you think can be covered up by entirely unsupported appeals to "punctuated equilibrium".Chris Doyle
September 2, 2011
September
09
Sep
2
02
2011
05:47 AM
5
05
47
AM
PDT
1 2

Leave a Reply