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File:Nullset.png As readers will gather, the religion news was a bit late on Sunday. Here we are dragging in with our last news item Monday morning, like the tomcat back from his travels.

Well, it’s from Britain’s Daily Express:

The colossal question has troubled religions, philosophers and scientists since the dawn of time but now a Canadian team believe they have solved the riddle.

And the findings are so conclusive they even challenge the need for religion, or at least an omnipotent creator – the basis of all world religions.

Whoa! An omnipotent creator is not the basis of all the world’s religions; alert! horseshoe in the works.

Scientists have long known that miniscule particles, called virtual particles, come into existence from nothing all the time.

But a team led by Prof Mir Faizal, at the Dept of Physics and Astronomy, at the University of Waterloo, in Ontario, Canada, has successfully applied the theory to the very creation of existence itself.

Whatever the heck “the very creation of existence itself” means, it doesn’t come up a lot in science, which deals in verifiable/falsifiable statements, not generalities.

The prof did some calcs and came up with a grand theory.

Dr Mir said: “Something did not come from nothing. The universe still is nothing, it’s just more elegantly ordered nothing.”

Pass the joint.

Seriously, it’s probably not an Onion; the Abstract is below.

Physicist Rob Sheldon notes, re the oniony taste:

It’s hard to say. On the one hand, there are physicists like Lawrence Krauss who talk this way all the time. On the other hand, the three speculations in this announcement–total E = 0, double relativity, inflation–are all rejected by some physicists, and the intersection of those who believe all 3 is probably less than 10%, perhaps less than 1%.

So this is not consensus physics, and by no means a breakthrough.

On the other hand, the Express piece misspelled “Hadron” as “Hardron”, which I don’t think was intentional, but does suggest that the journo writing the article was not particularly diligent, so much of the spin might be blamed on the journo–not that I want to let the physicists off the hook, but spin-doctoring is rampant. Because if it were intentional like an Onion piece, there would be more misspellings and more double entendres, so the rarity of such features make it look like an accidental parody.

Because you are right, it is a parody. So the intelligentsia has become unintentionally self-parodying, which is like a dress designer being laughed off the runway, and that’s a sign that there is about to be a phase-change in PC, with “true intelligentsia” becoming counter-cultural, like the Velvet Revolution.

Velvet Revolution: Czechoslovakia leaves communism out with the non-recyclable trash, gets everything washed, scrubbed, and dry cleaned.

Note also the many meanings of the weasel word nothing. Was it Ravi Zacharias who said, “Nothing is what stones dream about”? But physics isn’t immune from post-modern word games.

Here’s the abstract:

In this paper, we consider the Wheeler-DeWitt equation modified by a deformation of the second quantized canonical commutation relations. Such modified commutation relations are induced by a Generalized Uncertainty Principle. Since the Wheeler-DeWitt equation can be related to a Sturm-Liouville problem where the associated eigenvalue can be interpreted as the cosmological constant, it is possible to explicitly relate such an eigenvalue to the deformation parameter of the corresponding Wheeler-DeWitt equation. The analysis is performed in a Mini-Superspace approach where the scale factor appears as the only degree of freedom. The deformation of the Wheeler-DeWitt equation gives rise to a Cosmological Constant even in absence of matter fields. As a Cosmological Constant cannot exists in absence of the matter fields in the undeformed Mini-Superspace approach, so the existence of a non-vanishing Cosmological Constant is a direct consequence of the deformation by the Generalized Uncertainty Principle. In fact, we are able to demonstrate that a non-vanishing Cosmological Constant exists even in the deformed flat space. We also discuss the consequences of this deformation on the big bang singularity. (Public access .pdf) – Cosmological Constant from a Deformation of the Wheeler-DeWitt Equation Remo Garattini, Mir Faizal. Oct 15, 2015. 11 pp. e-Print: arXiv:1510.04423 [gr-qc]

See also:

NPR: Can everything come from nothing? Doubtless, Smolin and co. will end up with laws of nature which aren’t really laws because they “evolve.” Much as if the number 23 changed its quantity over time.

and

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Somehow I suspected God would be responsible. This is pretty wild though:
Temporarily shutting down part of the brain that's responsible for problem solving can suppress your religious views and prejudices toward immigrants, a new study has found.
It almost sounds like something a materialist would say!daveS
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The cause for the entire entropy of the universe, including all radioactive decay, is the 'Creator' of the universe i.e. God
“The time-asymmetry is fundamentally connected to with the Second Law of Thermodynamics: indeed, the extraordinarily special nature (to a greater precision than about 1 in 10^10^123, in terms of phase-space volume) can be identified as the “source” of the Second Law (Entropy).” Roger Penrose – The Physics of the Small and Large: What is the Bridge Between Them? “This now tells us how precise the Creator’s aim must have been: namely to an accuracy of one part in 10^10^123.” How special was the big bang? – Roger Penrose – from the Emperor’s New Mind, pp 339-345 – 1989 “The ‘accuracy of the Creator’s aim’ would have had to be in 10^10^123? Hawking, S. and Penrose, R., The Nature of Space and Time, Princeton, Princeton University Press (1996), 34, 35.
as to: And what proportion of physicists agree with you? Well since even the atheist Stephen Hawking allowed his name to be associated with the "Creator's aim' sentence that Roger Penrose had originally penned, I will take it that the proportion of physicists is much higher than you, or they, are willing to let on.
"We have the sober scientific certainty that the heavens and earth shall ‘wax old as doth a garment’.... Dark indeed would be the prospects of the human race if unilluminated by that light which reveals ‘new heavens and a new earth.’" Sir William Thomson, Lord Kelvin (1824 – 1907) – pioneer in many different fields, particularly electromagnetism and thermodynamics. Psalm 102:25-27 Of old You laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You will endure; Yes, they will all grow old like a garment; Like a cloak You will change them, And they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will have no end.
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October 19, 2015
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daveS, if you postulate something so wild as ‘does not have a cause’, and then balk when a plausible cause is clearly laid out for you, it does not reflect well on your intellectual integrity.
What was the proposed cause for beta decay? And what proportion of physicists agree with you?daveS
October 19, 2015
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daveS, if you postulate something so wild as 'does not have a cause', and then balk when a plausible cause is clearly laid out for you, it does not reflect well on your intellectual integrity. But at least you are consistent in your lack of integrity whenever it comes to evidence for God. :) i.e. I've noticed that as long as the evidence does not directly implicate God as a cause you are fairly reasonable in interpreting that evidence. (Although this 'does not have a cause' claim of yours has me wondering if the irrationality you harbor against God is spreading to other parts of your brain) On that note:
"Shutting down part of the brain that's responsible for problem solving" causes atheism. Shutting down part of brain changes views on God, immigrants: study - October 14, 2015 Excerpt: Temporarily shutting down part of the brain that's responsible for problem solving can suppress your religious views and prejudices toward immigrants, a new study has found. Researchers out of the University of York, in England, and the University of California, Los Angeles, used magnetic energy to safely and temporarily shut down specific regions of the brain of some study participants. When the posterior medial frontal cortex -- a part of the brain located near the surface and roughly a few inches up from the forehead -- was shut down, participants reported a decrease in their religious convictions and were more positive toward new immigrants critical of their country. http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/shutting-down-part-of-brain-changes-views-on-god-immigrants-study-1.2609612
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Why in blue blazes should conscious observation put a freeze on entropic decay, unless consciousness was/is more foundational to reality than the 1 in 10^10^123 entropy is?
I'm not a physicist. Maybe you should consult one and ask him or her why the majority of physicists disagree with you?daveS
October 19, 2015
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daveS, you do not think that radioactive decay has anything to do with entropy?
The issue is that I don't know what you meant by "entropic decay". Obviously the Quantum Zeno effect is directly related to radioactive decay, but I wasn't contesting that. But all this is neither here nor there. Mapou claims to know the cause of beta decay, but is for some reason reluctant to divulge this information.daveS
October 19, 2015
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daveS, you do not think that radioactive decay has anything to do with entropy? Where did you get that erroneous belief?
These two properties make the radioactive decay process very attractive as source of entropy for the generation of true random numbers. https://sites.google.com/site/astudyofentropy/project-definition/radioactive-decay
As to radioactive decay and the quantum zeno effect
Quantum Zeno Effect, Instability, and Decay http://quest.ph.utexas.edu/Reviews/Zeno/Zeno.pdf
As to you not having an answer for why an unstable particle will not decay upon conscious observation might I ask, "Why in blue blazes should conscious observation put a freeze on entropic decay unless consciousness was and is more foundational to reality than the 1 in 10^10^123 entropy is?"bornagain
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Right. I don't think either of Mapou or I were speaking of "entropic decay", if that term is even used in physics. I'm not finding much evidence of that. Since I'm suggesting that radioactive decay might be uncaused, clearly I have no answer for your second question. I'm sure Mapou can help. Your first question is an obvious attempt to change the subject and has nothing to do with radioactive decay and whether it is caused or not.daveS
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daveS:
I’m sure the Nobel Committee for Physics deserves to know.
The Nobel Committee for Physics deserves to know diddly squat. They, too, are a bunch of lying atheists and career butt kissers.Mapou
October 19, 2015
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daveS, I edited the word entropic out to help you understand more easily.,,, You are welcome.bornagain
October 19, 2015
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What's "entropic decay"? Does it have anything to do with beta decay?daveS
October 19, 2015
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daveS, speaking of entropic decay, can you explain the initial 1 in 10^10^123 entropic state of the universe, in purely naturalistic/materialistic terms, without winding up in complete epistemological failure?
"The time-asymmetry is fundamentally connected to with the Second Law of Thermodynamics: indeed, the extraordinarily special nature (to a greater precision than about 1 in 10^10^123, in terms of phase-space volume) can be identified as the "source" of the Second Law (Entropy)." Roger Penrose - The Physics of the Small and Large: What is the Bridge Between Them? “This now tells us how precise the Creator's aim must have been: namely to an accuracy of one part in 10^10^123.” How special was the big bang? - Roger Penrose - from the Emperor’s New Mind, pp 339-345 - 1989 "The 'accuracy of the Creator's aim' would have had to be in 10^10^123" Hawking, S. and Penrose, R., The Nature of Space and Time, Princeton, Princeton University Press (1996), 34, 35. Multiverse and the Design Argument - William Lane Craig Excerpt: Roger Penrose of Oxford University has calculated that the odds of our universe’s low entropy condition obtaining by chance alone are on the order of 1 in 10^10(123), an inconceivable number. If our universe were but one member of a multiverse of randomly ordered worlds, then it is vastly more probable that we should be observing a much smaller universe. For example, the odds of our solar system’s being formed instantly by the random collision of particles is about 1 in 10^10(60), a vast number, but inconceivably smaller than 1 in 10^10(123). (Penrose calls it “utter chicken feed” by comparison [The Road to Reality (Knopf, 2005), pp. 762-5]). Or again, if our universe is but one member of a multiverse, then we ought to be observing highly extraordinary events, like horses’ popping into and out of existence by random collisions, or perpetual motion machines, since these are vastly more probable than all of nature’s constants and quantities’ falling by chance into the virtually infinitesimal life-permitting range. Observable universes like those strange worlds are simply much more plenteous in the ensemble of universes than worlds like ours and, therefore, ought to be observed by us if the universe were but a random member of a multiverse of worlds. Since we do not have such observations, that fact strongly disconfirms the multiverse hypothesis. On naturalism, at least, it is therefore highly probable that there is no multiverse. — Penrose puts it bluntly “these world ensemble hypothesis are worse than useless in explaining the anthropic fine-tuning of the universe”. http://www.reasonablefaith.org/multiverse-and-the-design-argument A Matter of Considerable Gravity: On the Purported Detection of Gravitational Waves and Cosmic Inflation - Bruce Gordon - April 4, 2014 Excerpt: Thirdly, at least two paradoxes result from the inflationary multiverse proposal that suggest our place in such a multiverse must be very special: the "Boltzmann Brain Paradox" and the "Youngness Paradox." In brief, if the inflationary mechanism is autonomously operative in a way that generates a multiverse, then with probability indistinguishable from one (i.e., virtual necessity) the typical observer in such a multiverse is an evanescent thermal fluctuation with memories of a past that never existed (a Boltzmann brain) rather than an observer of the sort we take ourselves to be. Alternatively, by a second measure, post-inflationary universes should overwhelmingly have just been formed, which means that our existence in an old universe like our own has a probability that is effectively zero (i.e., it's nigh impossible). So if our universe existed as part of such a multiverse, it would not be at all typical, but rather infinitely improbable (fine-tuned) with respect to its age and compatibility with stable life-forms. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2014/04/a_matter_of_con084001.html
Or daveS, can you perhaps also explain why an unstable particle will not experience decay if it is consciously observed?
Interaction-free measurements by quantum Zeno stabilization of ultracold atoms – 14 April 2015 Excerpt: In our experiments, we employ an ultracold gas in an unstable spin configuration, which can undergo a rapid decay. The object—realized by a laser beam—prevents this decay because of the indirect quantum Zeno effect and thus, its presence can be detected without interacting with a single atom. http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2015/150414/ncomms7811/full/ncomms7811.html?WT.ec_id=NCOMMS-20150415 “It has been experimentally confirmed,, that unstable particles will not decay, or will decay less rapidly, if they are observed. Somehow, observation changes the quantum system. We’re talking pure observation, not interacting with the system in any way.” Douglas Ell – Counting to God – pg. 189 – 2014 – Douglas Ell graduated early from MIT, where he double majored in math and physics. He then obtained a masters in theoretical mathematics from the University of Maryland. After graduating from law school, magna cum laude, he became a prominent attorney. Quantum Zeno Effect The quantum Zeno effect is,, an unstable particle, if observed continuously, will never decay. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_Zeno_effect
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I'm sure the Nobel Committee for Physics deserves to know.daveS
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daveS:
Can you explain what causes a uranium atom to undergo beta decay at a particular time?
Yes I can but you don't deserve to know. Swines trampling on pearls and all that.Mapou
October 19, 2015
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Mapou, Can you explain what causes a uranium atom to undergo beta decay at a particular time?daveS
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daveS:
Alternatively, perhaps the principle of causality does not always hold.
You're always pushing your materialist/atheist agenda, eh dave? Separating cause from effect is like separating up from down or wet from dry. It's not just nonsense, it's stupid. Atheist poster speaks with a forked tongue and he knows it. What else is new?Mapou
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It's worth noting that crackpot cosmology is so entrenched in pop culture that Daily Express readers would be interested in this stuff. They are not interested in the results from the Large "Hardron" Collider. That is the part I find significant.News
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It's worth noting that crackpot cosmology is so entrenched in pop culture that Daily Express readers would be interested in this stuff. They are not interested in the results from the Large "Hardron" Collider. That is the part I find significant.News
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This would violate the principle of causality.
Alternatively, perhaps the principle of causality does not always hold.daveS
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Scientists have long known that miniscule particles, called virtual particles, come into existence from nothing all the time.
This is a lie, of course. The observation of the sudden appearance of particles in the vacuum of space does not mean that particles come into existence from nothing and for no reason. This would violate the principle of causality. The phenomenon can be easily explained by postulating that we live in a 4-dimensional reality in which our 3-D universe is moving in the other dimension. Particles seem to appear out of nowhere when our universe encounter them. If one cannot explain a phenomenon, one cannot use it to come up with fundamental conclusions. This Canadian "team" is just a conspiracy of jackasses. However, it is true that everything is made of nothing. This is the only way to explain the composition of matter without falling into an infinite regress.Mapou
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Milly and Paul went to Mel's Diner for breakfast, just as the dawning of the Sun's light began to pierce the morning clouds. They had ordered ham and eggs with a side of toast and then became mesmerized by the orange, pink, red, and brilliant yellows spreading over the distant horizon, as they looked intently through the window next to their table. When the clinking of some glass plates interrupted their focus they noticed the ham, eggs, and toast were well placed on the table, they looked around and no waitress was in sight. How did the ham, eggs, and toast get there without their noticing? Yes, of course, the virtual waitress brought the ham, eggs, and toast to the table. Milly and Paul laughed nervously and began to chatter about how their breakfast, the display of lights, and the transfixed focus could only be the result of a virtual waitress. They were just about ready to leave money for the breakfast when the virtual waitress appeared. Milly and Paul needed to go and share their discovery at the University of Waterloo. As they got to the car, Milly and Paul stopped and Paul said, "Listen". They heard some voices in the distance, looked at the diner and noticed some smoke rising from the back of the diner. The voices were laughing about some Ons family ... the gluons and muons, the fermions and bosons, the mesons and baryons ... who were these Ons? Must be foreigners. And bursts of laughter. Milly and Paul decided to investigate and walked to the rear of the diner. There was no one in sight, only cigarette butts by the back door. As Paul and Milly drove away they could not help looking back at the diner through the car's mirrors.redwave
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"Scientists have long known that minuscule particles, called virtual particles, come into existence from nothing all the time." Later the article says that "from nothing" means no energy. In computer science, "virtual" implies that what you think you are seeing, isn't real, but actually just a part of a real thing. So, I think this is just a joke, just to rile up believers.alanbrad
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Wonder what the physicists think, finding themselves in the middle of all that? ;)News
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You can tell this is a reputable site from their sidebar articles: "Abducted woman draws star map of exact constellation of alien home" and "Another UFO caught monitoring International Space Station"JoeCoder
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Did parallel universe open up? Hundreds see 'floating city' filmed in skies above China Multiverse confirmed!daveS
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