National Center for Science Education (the Darwin lobby) appeals to racism to get its message across?

I'm saying there is serious selectionism going on in who gets camera time. Blacks are selected out of proportion to ability and numbers in America. others too. This is not done behind the camera for more identity reasons. They needed to have a Black person agree with them and so their options were few. I suggested many blacks are not evolutionists or interested enough to comment. Slim pickings is the reason they picked who they did. not other reasons. i'm just explaining why they selected this person. quota plus sparseness equals result. Robert Byers

Not sure I fully understand, but: 1) It isn't ok to say "the black" or "a black" these days. 2) "they just needed a black, as Hollywood always does in FRONT of the camera" Are you suggesting Hollywood keep black people behing the camera? 3) "and there was no other or other that wasn’t a creationist. Just common identity selectionism." I haven't observed all black scientists are creationists. DrREC

Creationist organizations make these raft trips too and I think it gets under the skin of evolutionist fighters. Its one of those spatial picture things the school folks talk about. Unlikely they are putting the black down . they just needed a black, as Hollywood always does in FRONT of the camera, and there was no other or other that wasn't a creationist. Just common identity selectionism. Scott and AIG/ICR should have raft races. you can make the best geological interpretation , ride the waves, and persuade the most people and return with them undunked. Robert Byers

OT: Hugh Ross on CBN: Hidden Treasures in The Book of Job - video http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/mp4/HughRoss_101911v2_WS bornagain77

I believe the individual described by Evolution News and Views: "As spokesman for the view that evolution is best taught with reference to the controversy over intelligent design, the film casts an unidentified black man missing what looks like half his teeth and speaking ungrammatically with an accent so thick he actually gets subtitles." Is Dr. Femi S. Otulaja, PhD CUNY, creationist, and an individual who refused to teach evolution to his students. He happened to be the filmaker's PROFESSOR in college, and a motivation behind the film. http://www.flascience.org/wp/?p=1393 If David Klinghoffer sees an educated foreigner who played a role in this controversy and embraced it as a "unidentified black man missing what looks like half his teeth and speaking ungrammatically" that might speak more to his racism than the film's. DrREC

As well, there is actually very, very, strong archaeological evidence tracing all human races to the three sons of Noah:

Tracing Your Ancestors Through History - Noah's Descendants - video http://edinburghcreationgroup.org/video/1 TABLE OF NATIONS (GENEALOGY OF MANKIND) by Tim Osterholm Excerpt: The fact is, that wherever its statements can be sufficiently tested, Genesis 10 of the Bible has been found completely accurate; resulting partly from linguistic studies, partly from archaeology, and, more recently still, from the findings of physical anthropologists, who are, to this day, recovering important clues to lines of migration in ancient historic times. As implied in verse 32 of Genesis 10, this Table includes everybody; meaning that so-called fossil man, primitive peoples (ancient and modern) and modern man are all derived from Noah's three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. http://www.soundchristian.com/man/

This following video, and article, are very interesting for they talk about the scientific evidence for a 'genetic Adam' and a 'genetic Eve', and how the evidence relates to Noah's flood:

Does human genetic evidence support Noah's flood? - Fazale Rana - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4116168 Book Review; Who Was Adam?: A Creation Model Approach to the Origin of Man: Excerpt: The Bible claims that there was a genetic bottleneck at the Genesis flood. Whereas all females can trace their ancestry back to Eve (through the three wives of Noah's sons), all males trace their Y-chromosomes through Noah (through his three sons). This predicted discrepancy for molecular dates of mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosome data is actually seen in the scientific literature. http://www.godandscience.org/newsletters/2005-09.html

Moreover this following recent article and video, though technical, established the 'Adam and Eve model' as correct, and the neo-Darwinian model as completely unsupportable, from the genetic evidence we now have in hand;

The Non-Mythical Adam and Eve! - Refuting errors by Francis Collins and BioLogos - August 2011 http://creation.com/historical-adam-biologos The Non Mythical Adam and Eve (Dr Robert Carter) - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ftwf0owpzQ Adam, Eve and Noah vs Modern Genetics by Dr Robert W. Carter - 11 May 2010 Excerpt: It comes as a surprise to most people to hear that there is abundant evidence that the entire human race came from two people just a few thousand years ago (Adam and Eve), that there was a serious population crash (bottleneck) in the recent past (at the time of the Flood), and that there was a single dispersal of people across the world after that (the Tower of Babel).1 It surprises them even more to learn that much of this evidence comes from evolutionary scientists. http://creation.com/noah-and-genetics

Of related interest; Rainbows are formed by what are called ‘Quantum Catastrophes’. Thus, since I find Quantum Mechanical phenomena to be thoroughly Theistic, as to the necessity of providing a coherent non-local (beyond space and time) causation, that does not dissolve into absurdity as all postulated ‘non-reductive’ materialistic causes do, then yes I actually do think God does form rainbows;

Quantum Catastrophes Excerpt: Catastrophes [1] are at the heart of many fascinating optical phenomena. The most prominent example of such a catastrophe is the rainbow. http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~ulf/catastrophe.html 27 Amazing Miracles in Real Life - Readers Digest Excerpt: Our son died of a brain tumor at 17. On the second anniversary of his death, as I was driving to work, a double rainbow appeared in the clear sky. One end was on the road in front of us and the other at the cemetery where he was buried. —Peggy H., Boone, North Carolina

music and verse:

Jars Of Clay - Work - music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL0041GDsqE Luke 17:26 Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man.

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Even though the Grand Canyon does not even closely pertain to the main argument of ID, specifically "where did the stunning, jaw dropping, integrated information of the cell come from since material processes have NEVER been observed generating ANY functional information whatsoever, and only Intelligence has been observed, routinely, generating such information?" (Its not that hard of a question Eugenie!),,, none-the-less, the evidence of a cataclysmic flood in the Grand Canyon is fairly extensive. And even though I don't hold the young earth model as correct for all the geology of earth, I do find the evidence for a cataclysmic flood in the Grand Canyon to be very persuasive, and more importantly, I find the alternative view, promulgated by most neo-Darwinists, of 'gradual formation' of the Grand Canyon, to be completely untenable to the evidence in hand: notes: The following article investigates eight anomalies of the Grand Canyon that strongly suggest rapid formation by a catastrophic flood of global proportions:

Eight factual descriptions of the Grand Canyon http://www.canyonministries.com/content/view/31/54/

Here is another 'anomaly' of the Grand Canyon:

Grand Canyon Sand Hails from Back East Excerpt: Sands from the Appalachians have found a tourist mecca in the arid Southwest, it seems. Two weeks ago it was reported that Utah’s Navajo sandstones came from the Appalachians, and now a geologist from Univ. of Arizona thinks the same for Grand Canyon sandstones, He bases his conclusion on radiometric dates of zircons in the sand which match those in Appalachia. This would require huge rivers bearing sand thousands of miles westward to Wyoming, “from whence winds blew it south into the dune fields” of Arizona. The resulting sand pile covered an area the size of the Kalahari desert. “I was very surprised by what we found,” said one of the geologists. http://www.creationsafaris.com/crev0903.htm#geo71

Here is a site that, though written from a Young Earth perspective, gives a fairly good overview of the many strange anomalies found in the pattern of the fossil record that point to an ancient global flood:

The Fossil Record http://detectingdesign.com/fossilrecord.html

The following videos outline some surprisingly strong geological evidence for a global flood that will make any honest person scratch their head in wonder:

Startling Evidence That Noah's Flood Really Happened - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGeULHljDn8

Here is a article that gives evidence of ‘submerged’ landscapes, just as the preceding video had alluded to:

The Rise and Fall of Submerged Landscapes - July 2011 http://crev.info/content/110710-rise_and_fall_of_submerged_landscapes

This following article points to a global anomaly in sediment layers. A anomaly that would be expected from a global flood perspective:

Ancient Earth Smackdown at Santa Fe Tells Global Story - August 2010 Excerpt: “Geologist John Wesley Powell called this major gap in the geologic record, which is also seen in other parts of the world, the Great Unconformity.” Clicking on the link elaborates further: “The Great Unconformity is a geologic feature that exists across the world at a relatively consistent rock strata (or depth relative to sea-level).” Any unconformity worldwide in its extent would seem to require to a global catastrophe. http://www.creationsafaris.com/crev201008.htm#20100810a

Worldwide 'planation' also points to a global disaster from water:

Planation surface Excerpt: planation surface, any low-relief plain cutting across varied rocks and structures. Among the most common landscapes on Earth, planation surfaces include pediments, pediplains, etchplains, and peneplains. There has been much scientific controversy over the origins of such surfaces. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/462878/planation-surface It’s plain to see - Flat land surfaces are strong evidence for the Genesis Flood Excerpt: A planation surface is a large, level, or nearly level, land surface that has been ‘planed’ flat by running water. Scientists believe that running water cut these surfaces because they are covered by rounded rocks. Water is the only agent we know that can produce rounded rocks, by tumbling them against each other as it transports them along.,,, Planation surfaces sometimes cut across tilted sedimentary rocks. They are especially easy to recognize. The layered sedimentary rocks are often a combination of hard and soft rocks. Only a gigantic, fast-running water flow could have cut both the hard and soft rocks evenly.,,, Geomorphologist Lester King has documented that planation surfaces are abundant on all continents and found at different elevations. He noted about 60% of Africa is a series of planation surfaces. Some planation surfaces are located on the top of mountains. http://creation.com/its-plain-to-see

This ‘global anomaly’ of planation, is exactly what we would expect to see from a global flood perspective, yet the dating of the global catastrophe(s) from water, as far as I know, is not yet known to accurate detail. Indeed I know of no secular reference of any known ‘mass extinction’ that mentions any ancient global disaster for water covering the face earth, to form this worldwide 'unconformity' and planation. And yet, there the worldwide anomaly sits. An anomaly that certainly requires a global deluge to explain!: The following video is very interesting for it shows a geological formation that is now known to have been formed by a catastrophic flood, yet Charles Darwin himself had 'predicted' the geological formation was formed 'gradually':

Where Darwin Went Wrong - geology video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3darzVqzV2o

This following secular article 'honestly' admits that 'some big canyons' were formed by catastrophic floods:

Secular Geology Admits to Rapid Canyon Formation by Megafloods - June 21 2010 Excerpt: “Our traditional view of deep river canyons, such as the Grand Canyon, is that they are carved slowly, as the regular flow and occasionally moderate rushing of rivers erodes rock over periods of millions of years.” Quoting Michael Lamb of Caltech, co-author of a paper in Nature Geoscience, the article said that such is not always the case: “We know that some big canyons have been cut by large catastrophic flood events during Earth’s history.”

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