Oxford mathematician John Lennox’s God’s Undertaker an excellent review of the design controversy

6 Replies to “Oxford mathematician John Lennox’s God’s Undertaker an excellent review of the design controversy”

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   russ says:

   December 12, 2007 at 7:06 am

   Denyse, thank you for that review. I was particularly interested in what you and what Lennox wrote about the value of the creationist (as opposed to mere ID) perspective.

   Lennox also defends creationism as a useful concept for getting people thinking in a scientific way:

   ” … the rise of science would have been seriously retarded if one particular doctrine of theology, the doctrine of creation had not been present.” (God’s Undertaker, p.22)

   Why is a doctrine of creation important? Lennox points out that it frees science from the idea that we ought to be able to deduce what is happening in the universe from fixed prior principles. If – in contradiction to such an idea – we assume that God is entitled to create what he likes (trilobites, giraffes, and whales, to name some examples), then our duty is to address what exists rather than to set rules for what can exist. Unfortunately, centuries ago, many scientists attempted to proceed by setting rules about what can exist, according to their theories. Many of their ideas were in conflict with reality, and unproductive conflicts were common.

   Having taught sections of the Design or Chance? adult night school course at St. Michael’s in the University of Toronto, I also have a clear sense of another issue: A doctrine of creation encourages people to believe that the universe is worth studying because it puts a limit on the things you would need to know in order to understand. For one thing, even by positing an actual beginning of time, it closes off an infinite past in which virtually anything could have, and has, happened.

   I’ve often heard that a biblical or Judeo-Christian perspective was critical to the advance of science, but I hadn’t heard these arguments for why that is so.

   How does Lennox’s book stack up against other works as far as readability?
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   gore says:

   December 12, 2007 at 10:30 am

   Is there any way to hear his debate with Dawkins? How did he do up against the athiest champ of the world?
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   rockyr says:

   December 12, 2007 at 11:58 am

   Yes, it is a very interesting debate that is worth listening to and analyzing, because it highlights many or all main points of contention between atheists and theists. Lennox argues very well, Dawkins often plays the second fiddle in the debate. Another debate which shows that the atheists’ position is unreasonable and untenable.

   gore, follow denyse’s links

   Here’s how to get a copy of the debate. from

   http://mindfulhack.blogspot.co.....dates.html

   or

   http://richarddawkins.net/arti.....ohn-Lennox
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   gore says:

   December 12, 2007 at 1:20 pm

   you have a good point collin.
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   Collin says:

   December 12, 2007 at 2:01 pm

   I think that Dawkins is not really the athiest champ; more the court jester.
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   Nochange says:

   December 13, 2007 at 4:33 pm

   I’m sorry, but is anyone else having technical difficulties? I can’t see the review…