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2019 January 18th — March for life — # 46


Yesterday, here’s a vid report — I add a timelapse that blows up the typical minimisation (HT BA77):

UD’s man on the spot has pictures, so let undeniable truth speak to us.

He comments:

Often, the only way to get to the top of a hill is a twisty trail that goes here and there, sometimes sideways, sometimes seemingly the wrong way. The reason for this is that there are obstacles in front of you that cannot be overcome directly. That huge rock is not moving anytime soon, and you can’t go through it.

Such is the daily experience of the Pro-Lifer. Our opponents, who regard the killing of a child in the womb as a kind of sacrament, have nothing to offer by way of reasonable or intellectual positions. They are governed by emotional states like, “Mine!” or arbitrary appeals to authority like “It’s Legal!” or shallow manipulations like “I’m the victim!”, among many other throw-it-against-the-wall kind of defenses. They present themselves as impervious, intolerant, and immune to information that shows them to be in error. They are rock wall obstacles who perpetually defend the indefensible.

This year, maybe the path around is to ask a Pro-Choicer, “when did YOUR life begin?” Perhaps guiding them into some follow-up questions like, “who were the people who cared for YOU… *BEFORE* you were born?” and “what were YOU like when YOU first came to be?”
Even rock walls aren’t forever.


The 2019 March for Life theme: Unique from Day 1
A child of rape speaks
Another mom and daughter speak
A child in the womb spoke . . .
We all may speak
Let us all speak . . .

F/N: Notice the upstaging and tainting agit prop game where students of Covington Catholic High School who had participated in the MfL and were waiting for transport, were widely portrayed as politically and/or racially motivated harassers of a Native American Vietnam veteran, when it is emerging (see the linked) that almost the reverse is more credibly true. I link a letter of plea for correction: https://twitter.com/AClementsWKRC/status/1086822521012473858/photo/1 The letter is backed by video evidence (see the first linked). On fair comment, it seems they were set up for a media, visual ambush -- someone comes up pounding a drum in faces and pictures are taken which are evidently set in an inaccurate, loaded context -- and were then in effect abandoned by School leadership, under threat of expulsion and facing threats set up by media amplification of what seems to be an agit prop stunt. Notice, a second GP article on how this sort of Agit Prop works:
After 24 hours of savaging a group of teenage boys in MAGA hats at the March for Life rally for “harassing and abusing” a Native American veteran — the anti-Trump and far left media is backing off from their deadly assault on a group of Catholic teenage boys. But after 24 hours of media lies and hit pieces the Catholic families are now in hiding and their children fear for their lives. The Associated Press backed off their initial reporting this afternoon that the boys were chanting against the Native American activists. Marcus Frejo, a member of the Pawnee and Seminole tribe says the children were singing with them. The Latest: Marcus Frejo, a member of the Pawnee and Seminole tribes says students wound up singing with him. https://t.co/oLaLtstkPZ — The Associated Press (@AP) January 20, 2019 CNN’s Jake Tapper retweeted Reason Mag’s claims that Nathan Phillips’s claims were trash. .@reason: “Video footage strongly contradicts Native American veteran Nathan Phillips' claim that Covington Catholic High School boys harassed him. The media got this one completely wrong,” writes @robbysoave https://t.co/9Ki4iiTkQ9 — Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) January 20, 2019
Note, too, a third GP piece pointing out the media amplification and piling on, apparently complete with prominent social media personalities making comparisons to Nazi stormtroopers and lynch mobs of the past:
Social media erupted Saturday after selectively edited videos of Covington Catholic students were posted on Twitter accusing the boys of harassing and mocking an elderly Native American man. The left, along with their mouthpieces in the media immediately called for these teens to be tarred and feathered — no judge, no jury. Here are the cold hard facts about what really happened at the Lincoln Memorial this weekend: According to one of the high school boys who was present, a group of black men were taunting the Trump supporters, calling them “shooters” and “crackers” and said the white kids “had everything given to them by their parents.” At first, the Trump supporting teens ignored the black men who were harassing them, but after the blacks continued to taunt the white kids, the white kids began to chant back at them. According to a witness, it was at this point that a Native American man showed up “out of no where” and began drumming in the high school kid’s face. “We weren’t even chanting at him, we were chanting at the African American guy, but obviously social media made us look bad to get views and stuff,” a witness said . . . . These Covington Catholic students showed incredible restraint after being ambushed and taunted. No crimes were committed and no one became violent yet the media is piling on the children and calling for them to be severely punished over lies! Despite the liberal media narrative completely collapsing far left pundits are comparing the boys to Nazi storm troopers, rapists and race-based lynchings. [see article for telling Twitter clips]
It is obvious that MfL is being targetted for agit prop media ambushes designed to portray people connected to a movement against a holocaust in progress in the worst possible light. Let us not forget, this generation, globally, has seen the slaughter of 800+ millions of our living posterity in the womb in 40+ years, now advancing at the rate of about a million further victims per week. All, under false colour of law and with enabling by media, education, political leadership and much more. Meanwhile, there is general suppression of the MfL and its anti-holocaust message. KF kairosfocus
A comment from our man on the spot has been added to the OP, also a picture illustrating the theme for MfL 2019. kairosfocus
Let me put it this way, I don’t believe you.
What is it that you don’t believe? That there can be someone who wants to go back to the legal restrictions and penalties that existed before Roe v Wade? If that is the case then you don’t believe most of the pro-life movement. The only change I would make to the pre Roe v Wade conditions would be to increase education, access to birth control and support for women with unplanned pregnancies. I would also remove the scarlet letter style stigma that was associated with teen pregnancies. We don’t want to drive the abortion industry back underground, we want to remove the demand for it. Ed George
BA77, thanks, I add a timelapse from Youtube. KF kairosfocus
(Timelapse) The 2019 March For Life From Beginning To End - Bird's Eye View - video https://www.facebook.com/studentsforlife/videos/2111944802453423/ That is certainly a huge crowd. Time lapse video destroys (fake news' Orwellian) claim that only ‘thousands’ attended 2019 March for Life https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/does-this-time-lapse-video-show-hundreds-of-thousands-at-2019-march-for-lif As well March for Life vs. Women's March - Contrast of two diametrically opposed worldviews told in the different types of signs each group carries March for Life Art Contrasts with Vulgar Signs at Women’s March in 30 Photos By KATIE YODER & MAIREAD MCARDLE January 19, 2019 https://www.nationalreview.com/news/march-for-life-art-contrasts-with-vulgar-signs-at-womens-march-in-30-photos/ Verse:
Proverbs 8:36 "But he who sins against me injures himself; All those who hate me love death."
Editor. Don’t ban those vapid emissions from EG, but put them in another column or use a different font or something.everthing gets entangled when he starts his puny arguments. Belfast
Ed George,, it seem to me i’ve Heard your song before. Oh, gosh, i’m On your side but I am such a compassionate man, a man with a different view of reality, that I have to reluctantly repeat my virtue and say something for the opposite opinion. Let me put it this way, I don’t believe you. Belfast
ET@27, I agree. Each case would have to be looked at individually. Undoubtedly there would be some that claim rape just to get an abortion, but I suspect the numbers would be small. Ed George
Talk about issues! I understand that life is everything but I have issues with a rapist being able to pass its genes along. I also have issues with a father getting his daughter(s) pregnant and passing on his genes to yet another generation. But can the sins of the father or mother condemn the innocent unborn? If they have a genetic basis perhaps they can. I agree with what Ed said in comment 9- with the caveat of each case would be different an have to be considered separately. There cannot be a blanket judgement/ law beyond that. In place of what we have now, I will take that scenario every day. ET
EG, life is the first right. In context, we are seeing mass dehumanisation and taking of innocent life. Becoming implicated in such action has serious implications and consequences. KF kairosfocus
OK, ED, let's see if you can follow along: My comment in 17 was in response to what you said in 6. I even said that right in my post. That my comment in 17 covered what you said in 9, all you had to do was call my attention to that fact. You could have said something like "ET, do those mentioned in comment 9 fit your criteria of the very small %?" Then we could have had a discussion. But, noooooooo. You just had a limbic thing and lashed out at me. Sad, really. ET
EG, again: the issue on the table is the deliberate dehumanisation and taking of innocent life. KF
Yes, you already said this at 14. And I responded at 16. Repeating it does not change anything. We both agree that abortion is wrong. The only difference is that, under rare circumstances, I accept it as the lesser of two evils. Ed George
Earth to Ed- rape victims are covered under There is only a very small % of those who don’t get that choice.
Which are the ones I was talking about at 9, one of a very rare category for which I would allow abortion.
What is your problem?
Assuming that you could participate in a normal conversation. Ed George
I am sick of people lumping abortions into "women's healthcare". Last summer I was approached by college students in Boston Common asking me if I support the rights for women to receive healthcare. Of course I do and told them so. I also said that no one is denied healthcare. I went further by explaining the healthcare system in Massachusetts and the USA- now even pre-existing conditions are covered. Then they brought up abortions to which I said that I am of the opinion that today's women are intelligent and educated enough to understand how babies are made. And that people need to take responsibility for their actions. Healthcare? The system will help take care of you during your pregnancy. It will help with the delivery an also to get you going on your way in life. ET
EG, again: the issue on the table is the deliberate dehumanisation and taking of innocent life. KF PS: ET, the focus is life. I have drawn EG's attention to the top two photos and to a collection of videos. In those, the children from rape and from refusal of medically advised abortion speak. Let us listen to the voice of innocent life. They are a small minority of relevant cases (and I suspect more or less forced sex selection abortions as girls are not preferred in certain parts of Asia are a horribly high part of the global toll), but it is on those hard cases that ever so much of the argument that has allowed 800+ million victims in 40+ years mounting at about 1 million per week has been built. kairosfocus
EMH, I am seeing an estimate of 300 k attendees, which is plausible given the trajectory of events with what Bob Novak called the super legislature of the USA. And, unsurprisingly, this weekend there seems to now be a counter-march. The cold civil war is ever so manifest. KF kairosfocus
Oh my. Is Ed George just a complete troll, or what? Earth to Ed- rape victims are covered under There is only a very small % of those who don’t get that choice. What is your problem? ET
Ed George @ 6- People should be intelligent enough to choose BEFORE having unprotected sex. There is only a very small % of those who don’t get that choice.
Sorry. I was obviously under the erroneous assumption that rape victims didn’t have a choice about using protection. Ed George
Ed George @ 6- People should be intelligent enough to choose BEFORE having unprotected sex. There is only a very small % of those who don't get that choice. ET
EG, the issue on the table is the deliberate dehumanisation and taking of innocent life. KF
Yes, I understand your view. I just don’t see it as a black and white issue. Ed George
@EG it is not right of fetus over right of woman. Instead, it is right to life trumps right to convenience. Abortion after rape only violates the mother a second time, and puts blood on her hands. On the other hand, giving the child life means something good has come out of such a horrible circumstance. My wife's father was adopted after rape. I'm glad his mother did not choose abortion, which was an option given to her. I was at the march, and biggest crowd at March for Life I've seen yet. Tens of thousands seems a dramatic underestimate, but regardless, what legitimate grounds does the media have for refusing to cover the march year after year? None that I can think of. Reoccurrence is not an excuse. The president gives a state of the union address every year, and it is widely covered despite being a repeat event. Given the event is attended by at least tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, many who have traveled across the country and a sizable number from across the globe (I saw an Australia contingent), yet the woman's march which definitely numbers in the low tens of thousands gets massive media coverage, why does the march for life lack importance? With a media that will cover random tweets, why is the significant effort and motivation of the attendees considered inconsequential and not newsworthy, especially since the attendees represent the large pro-life segment of their viewership? This is clearly an instance of media bias at work. EricMH
EG, the issue on the table is the deliberate dehumanisation and taking of innocent life. KF kairosfocus
Better to be 'history' in the media industry, I should have added, than have anything to do with an abortion - as that wonderful young actress understood. Axel
EG, again I simply call attention to the voices above, and to the import of what they say. KF
As I said, we will disagree. I respect your view, but I don’t agree with it. Ed George
PS: Note the children of rape and what they have to say, here: http://www.savethe1.com/ kairosfocus
EG, again I simply call attention to the voices above, and to the import of what they say. KF kairosfocus
KF, as I believe I already mentioned, I would ban legal abortions for everything except in instances of rape, incest and where the mother's life is at serious risk. And even under these cases, I would make sure that the woman was aware of the supports available to her should she decide to continue with the pregnancy. I know that we will disagree with allowing rape victims to have abortions, but I do not accept that the rights of the fetus over those of the raped woman who's only sin is that she is not as strong as some sicko. Ed George
I have clipped 1:44 on the news report, where a mom and daughter (now also a mom) speak kairosfocus
EG, the first right is life; without which, there are no further rights. I suggest you take a moment to regard the first picture above and listen very carefully to the voice of one who in many cases would have been aborted as a matter of course. Similarly, watch the video clip, which has a similar case where the one who is here because a doctor's advice was rejected, speaks. We must ponder, even through our own deep pain and hardship, what those with no voice would have to say -- we are talking about taking life, innocent life, here. What is happening is that the weakest, most defenceless and voiceless among us are being systematically dehumanised and destroyed: 800+ millions in 40+ years and ongoing at another million or so per week. If that does not ring loud warning bells, it should. KF kairosfocus
The sad thing about the abortion issue is that both sides believe that their opinions are based on undeniable truths. As long as this is the case, this will never be resolved to anyone's satisfaction. I have great respect for those who protests. But I also have great sympathy for those who are in a condition where they feel they have to make this choice. Ed George
BA77, see pic no 2 [--> now, 3] above. KF kairosfocus
We now have pictures from our man on the spot, AS. kairosfocus
A fetus was the first to rejoice at the news of Jesus! (let that sink in!)
Luke 1:41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit seems to have been there in a big way, KF. I've never seen photos with so many people with such happy, joyful, loving faces and all at a single venue. But what wickedness from our sempiternally anti-Christian media ! I've just been looking at a slide-show in the Aleteia blog, where it is reported that the Pro-Life march organisers were expecting 100,000 to turn up ; instead, it was 300,000. So much for 'tens of thousands. https://aleteia.org/2019/01/18/exclusive-photos-a-march-unlike-any-other/?utm_campaign=NL_en&utm_source=daily_newsletter&utm_medium=mail&utm_content=NL_en The French media cannot comprehend why the Yellow-Vests are expressing such hatred for them, even though it is explained to them quite economically but pungently. Well, venality goes with the territory with that most meretricious of professions. If they don't self-censor, they're history. Axel
2019 January 18th — March for life -- # 46 kairosfocus

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