DEVELOPING: The US Truckers’ protest convoys converge at Hagerstown MD, head for the DC Beltway March 5th

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March 5, 2022

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According to Gateway Pundit (a handy source not an endorsement):

On Friday, the largest group, ‘The People’s Convoy,’ merged with another massive group when it arrived at its final rest stop in Hagerstown, Maryland, which is just 75 miles (90 minutes) away from the nation’s capital.
The convoy is now well over 10,000 vehicles long, including thousands of trucks. There are so many participants in the caravan that it has taken over three hours for them to get off the highway, and there is still no end in sight.

We will monitor, including watching out for a riot that can conveniently be made into a further Reichstag fire framing incident. DEVELOPING

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Jerry: They are not innocent if they agree with the Canadian government. They are complicit if they do.
Sorry, but I don’t remember if they asked the people who lived there whether or not they agreed with the government. Besides, this is not about the government actions during the pandemic. It is about whether the truckers actions can be justified by any perceived grievance. Nobody here has explained how government actions justified the occupation of several city blocks and the constant harassing of the people who live there.Scamp_{March 12, 2022
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innocent people
They are not innocent if they agree with the Canadian government. They are complicit if they do. But also this was just a side show for what’s really happening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ4-vqO0oQ4&t=183s Everyone thought the quick pivot would be to climate change but an intervening convenient event happened. Russia invaded Ukraine. So we have another major crisis to take people’s minds off the important things.jerry_{March 12, 2022
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KF: Sc, why do you keep insisting on twisting others into evil caricatures?
Sorry, but I was always told that taking your frustrations out on innocent people was evil. Were my parents in error?Scamp_{March 12, 2022
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Sc, why do you keep insisting on twisting others into evil caricatures? No one justifies civil disobedience or onward uprising as a good thing. However, for both there is a long history of escalation of protest in the face of officialdom deaf to grievances and we must take the whole into account. The equally longstanding tactic of portraying protesters and those who may go far beyond, as lawless and acting without grievance cannot be defended on that history. Do you imagine Sam Sharpe et al had no cause? The American founders? Spartacus and co? Christians who went to the lions because they would not go to a temple, toss salt on an altar and confess Ceasar as Lord and so were branded as traitors? I suggest, you need to think again. KFkairosfocus_{March 12, 2022
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Sc, I think you need to update your thinking i/l/o many things, for instance what is emerging from the VAERS information repository. KF PS, let me clip a comment I put up earlier in another thread, inviting you to examine the graphical summary at open vaers,:
Troubling data on heart adverse reactions to vaccines at open vaers https://openvaers.com/covid-data/myo-pericarditis Note discussion here https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-vaers-myocarditis-already-47-of-2021-in-just-first-2-months-of-2022 . . . . [I then clipped from the second linked:]
reports of myocarditis and pericarditis are so prevalent now that just in the first eight weeks of 2022, we’re already at 47% of the total VAERS submissions for 2021. There were 24,177 reports of pericarditis/myocarditis submitted to VAERS in 2021. In 2022, just through Feb. 25, there were 11,289 reports, which is nearly half of last year’s total . . . . The reporting to VAERS is very disturbing because the trend line of vaccination, especially for the younger people more prone to this heart inflammation, has halted to a trickle in recent weeks. So why are there so many more reports this year? There are likely two possible explanations. Either more people and doctors know about VAERS and know to look for myocarditis, or there is a time bomb with many more people now realizing they have heart problems months later. Either way, this means that the initial estimates of case prevalence were just the tip of the iceberg, and we are likely to see young hearts damaged for years to come. What is so shocking is that several weeks ago, the CDC recognized the problem and attempted to get ahead of it by suggesting that “an 8-week interval may be optimal for some people ages 12 years and older, especially for males ages 12 to 39 years.” But historically, if we recognized even a fraction of heart problems from a shot, it would have been pulled from the market entirely! Yet here they are still recommending it, despite the fact that the virus poses low risk for this age group, notwithstanding the fact that the shot doesn’t stop transmission and that it is now outdated for the current strain of the virus! . . . . It’s not acceptable (and never was) for the media and the pharma-paid “fact checkers” to automatically dismiss VAERS. It is our main pharmaco-surveillance tool and was put in place precisely to serve as the consolation to the public for Congress absolving vaccine manufactures of liability. Also, the data complements what we’ve learned universally from all the myocarditis vaccine studies – that it targets teens and early 20s more than other age groups and is more potent after the second dose.

We may see a very serious long term consequence from how cavalierly Nuremberg Principles have been treated. At minimum, the Canadian and US truckers have a serious grievance and the refusal of officialdom to pay regard of consequence is a sobering sign of where we are.kairosfocus_{March 12, 2022
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Jerry: No, why would he?
Just interested, as the fact that Trudeau didn’t meet with the protesters was used here as justification for the truckers occupation and constant harassment of the people who lived in downtown Ottawa.Scamp_{March 12, 2022
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I haven’t been following this but has Biden sat down with them to discuss their demands?
No, why would he? An assumption about all protests
Protests work well when they align with the aims of the regime, at which point any violence and lawlessness will be excused, as with the Black Lives Matter riots of 2020. When demonstrations contradict the regime’s agenda they only serve as a brief pressure release for discontentment, after which you are expected to go home.
When you are in the wrong, are you going to negotiate with those that are right? The US and Canadian governments are certainly in the wrong as they constantly lie about the virus. Now that the virus is back page news, they will lie about other things. I am currently listening to a long book that the audio is over 24 hours long. It is called the Candy Bombers and about the Berlin Airlift. It is one of the most detailed histories I have ever seen on any topic but especially this important topic. One of the amazing insights is how those in power, in this case, the Soviets distorted any attempt to get to an agreement. It was only by one of the great protests in history, airlifting tons of food and material each day to a starving population that won the day. Will someday, someone get to write the truth about the oppressive governments in the US and Canada? Hopefully so, but I wouldn't hold my breath. These are not good people so negotiating in good faith is not something they do. The only hope is that somehow they can be vanquished.jerry_{March 12, 2022
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Querius: Amazingly, this is exactly what was said about the Paris protesters . . . by Marie Antoinette! Her speech ended with “Let them eat cake.”
Except the Paris protesters represented the majority of the Paris citizens, not a fringe minority, as was the case with the Ottawa protesters. And, she never said “let them eat cake. :) And, if my memory of history is correct (no guarantee that it is), the protesters in Paris had the goal of overthrowing the monarch/government. I have been told repeatedly here that overthrowing government was never the goal of the truckers.Scamp_{March 12, 2022
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No, the issue is a bunch of self-important, immature, selfish truckers taking there frustrations out on innocent people.
Amazingly, this is exactly what was said about the Paris protesters . . . by Marie Antoinette! Her speech ended with "Let them eat cake." https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/12/trudeau-advisor-claims-freedom-convoy-protestors-wanted-to-overthrow-goverment/ -QQuerius_{March 12, 2022
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KF: PPS, the majority [~ 90%] of drivers in the Canadian protests were vaccinated. The issue is lawfulness respecting liberty and curbing official overreach, informed by Nuremberg principles.
No, the issue is a bunch of self-important, immature, selfish truckers taking there frustrations out on innocent people. There was no loss of liberty. The government is responsible for protecting its citizenry from many things, including health and safety. To do this, they provided advance notice to international truckers that they would need vaccination to enter the country or require testing and quarantine. 90+% of truckers got vaccinated. We can discuss the value of this approach, and we would probably agree, but the government is certainly well within its authority to do this. The argument that the government was denying truckers a livelihood is a strawman. We have had a trucker shortage in Canada for years. They could have found other employment easily, but they opted to pretend that they were fighting for all of our freedoms.Scamp_{March 12, 2022
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Jerry, I haven’t been following this but has Biden sat down with them to discuss their demands?Scamp_{March 12, 2022
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Meanwhile, the US Truckers are still there. Again, the website for the convoy. https://thepeoplesconvoy.org/jerry_{March 12, 2022
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PPS, the majority [~ 90%] of drivers in the Canadian protests were vaccinated. The issue is lawfulness respecting liberty and curbing official overreach, informed by Nuremberg principles.kairosfocus_{March 10, 2022
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Sc, while truckers are canaries in the mines (and evidently haven't been superspreaders to any significant degree) the issues of lawfulness in defence of the civil peace of justice are general. Justice is the due balance of rights, freedoms and duties. Rights, in turn are binding morally founded claims to be respected by others in regard to life, liberty, innocent reputation etc, requiring that to properly claim a right X one must be manifestly in the right regarding X; as, there can be no right to demand that another do evil and taint conscience. To illustrate, when in the 5-minute trials over the Baptist War uprising a slave blacksmith compelled at gunpoint to repair a damaged musket was hanged, that was gross injustice. I am increasingly convinced we need to return to recognising the historic framework of branch on which we all sit first duties (thus, first rights) as a start point for restoring civilisation to soundness. The inclination of government to lawless oligarchy is a hazard we must all recognise and restrain, where, the pandemic has shown too many cases of that inclination, indeed, it is clear that the vaccines push by officialdom has been in manifest violation of the Nuremberg Code. KF PS: The Nuremberg Code: http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/nuremberg/
The Nuremberg Code (1947) Permissible Medical Experiments The great weight of the evidence before us to effect that certain types of medical experiments on human beings, when kept within reasonably well-defined bounds [--> notice, implicit bounds due to rights and quasi-infinite worth of the human being, thus moral government and grounds of the ruling with force of rightly reasoned natural law], conform to the ethics [--> ethics at core of law] of the medical profession generally. The protagonists of the practice of human experimentation justify their views on the basis that such experiments yield results for the good of society that are unprocurable by other methods or means of study. [--> value of the human person and of human thriving] All agree, however, that certain basic principles must be observed [--> why this oughtness? we are inherently morally governed] in order to satisfy moral, ethical and legal concepts: 1 The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. [--> if so for experimental treatments, just as much so for so called established ones, but of course the vaccines have been experimental] This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. [--> fair comment, all of these have been grossly violated by officialdom, globally] The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. [--> The medical, pharmacological and officials involved have primary duty, pundits, media figures and publicists/promoters, secondary] It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity. [--> binding] 2 The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature. [--> random tests with undue risks are dubious, and where reasonable evidence points to alternatives such as treatments, there is a duty to prioritise those results, not to trash, marginalise, censor and render effectively inaccessible . . . all, grossly violated] 3 The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation [--> largely skipped, this implies a cascade of evidence: in vitro, simulation and modelling, animal analogues, by extension recognition of secondary effects of recognised drugs] and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results justify the performance of the experiment. [--> notice, the burden is on the experimenter, and the gold standard fallacy is confronted with available or accessible evidence from other means] 4 The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury. [--> ponder the suppression, censorship and inattention to mounting evidence of a significantly high incidence of adverse events] 5 No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects. 6 The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment. [--> each human being is an end in her/him self and is not to be exploited as a means to the end of others] 7 Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death. [--> note, implication that risk must be exceedingly low] 8 The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment. [--> due care requirement] 9 During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible. [--> right of withdrawal] 10 During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject. [--> duty of termination]
Grossly violated, in fact grounding empanelling of international tribunals. However, so pervasive that perhaps instead an international truth and reconciliation commission is a better approach, where on power of pardon, truth is told and lessons of binding force are drawn to correct reversion to barbarism under colour of science and medicine.kairosfocus_{March 10, 2022
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Jerry: My guess is if a trucker for whatever reason does not want the vaccine, he has more options in the US than Canada for work.
Well, just based on a population difference, you are probably correct. But, just like the US, Canada has a big shortage of truck drivers. Any cross-border driver who doesn’t want to get the vaccine, there are no shortage of opportunities for him. In fact, the small percentage of drivers who refused the vaccine made very little impact on the cross-border traffic. Which must have been a blow to their egos.Scamp_{March 10, 2022
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I think there is less of a difference between Canada and the US than you think
Exports to the US are a major part of the Canadian economy. Exports to Canada are a minor part of US economy. Now a lot of the Canadian exports may be oil from Alberta but my guess in terms of physical goods carried by truck this is still true. That is probably behind the Truckers convoy in Canada as opposed to just plain mandates in general in the US. My guess is if a trucker for whatever reason does not want the vaccine, he has more options in the US than Canada for work. Both the US and Canadian government lied to the people for nearly 2 years and caused all sorts of hardship and dysfunctional behavior. They are still lying. However, some of the states early on caught on and were vocal about it and did things the federal government did not advocate and essentially were proven right. The reaction by the Trudeau government was world class in terms of the history of oppression. Wake up tomorrow and find out all your money you have is gone because you didn't do what the government wanted. But yet the Canadian people approved. A large percentage of the US would approve too as they are also fed lies by the press and believe them. I have good friends who claim to be conservative and live in Maryland and read the Washington Post every day. I was in the house the other day of another conservative friend and she had on the national news on TV which I listened to for 15 minutes as it essentially put out propaganda. I pointed out 4 distortions/lies to her. She just stared and I am sure was watching again the next night. You cannot trust it for the weather anymore as I watched the weather report at this friends house and the weather guy mentioned climate change during his report.jerry_{March 10, 2022
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Jerry: There is less of an issue in the US as individual states have more power.
I think there is less of a difference between Canada and the US than you think. At least with respect to COVID restrictions. The feds have authority over cross border traffic and airline restrictions, same as in the US. But all other restrictions in Canada are at the provincial level, and sometimes there are even additional municipal restrictions. Things like masking, vaccine requirements, capacity limits, closing businesses, sporting events, churches, etc, are all under provincial control. Regardless of what the truckers demanded if they feds, the feds do not have the authority to lift public health restrictions imposed by the province. Even if the province required the wearing of pink fluffy slippers in public for public health reasons, the feds would be powerless to overrule them.Scamp_{March 10, 2022
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The US media have responded as if they are invisible and not there. They do not even make the conservative sites. There is less of an issue in the US as individual states have more power. The next election will be about trying to keep the power of Democratic governors. With the press on their side and the giving out trillions to voters, it may work. Someone once said: “You can fool some of the people all the time.” With the press so one sided, this percentage is very high. People are generally ignorant, especially the more educated you are. https://www.bookwormroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Biden-04.jpg Again, the website for the convoy. https://thepeoplesconvoy.org/jerry_{March 10, 2022
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I left a comment on the other thread but it is better placed here. The Canadian protesters can take a page from the American protesters. It is possible to have a very visible protest without breaking laws, harassing and disrupting thousands of people, or alienating a large number of people who might otherwise have supported the cause.Scamp_{March 10, 2022
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They are still there, still protesting.kairosfocus_{March 10, 2022
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Tin ear speech by US VP: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/03/07/kamala-harris-attacks-truckers-pollution-peoples-convoy-protesters-hit-d-c/
“Pollution from heavy-duty trucks and buses has made the air poisonous to breathe and this pollution is also, of course, accelerating the climate crises,” Harris said during a speech near the White House on Monday. “Threatening the future not just of our communities, but of the entire world.” Harris did not mention the arrival of the “People’s Convoy” protest of American truckers over the weekend. The group of truckers planned to circle Washington, DC on the Capitol beltway on Monday to protest coronavirus restrictions. During her speech, Harris told the story of a California community she visited when she was the attorney general, blaming heavy freight trucks and public buses for the majority of the pollution hurting the community. She also shared her dream to get rid of all diesel powered trucks and buses and replace them with electric powered vehicles. “Imagine a future: The freight trucks that deliver bread and milk to our grocery store shelves and the buses that take children to school and parents to work…. Imagine that they produced zero emissions,” she said.
In another report, https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/03/07/merkley-we-should-have-a-climate-emergency-and-need-to-have-the-world-transition-to-green-energy-to-undercut-russia/
On Monday’s broadcast of MSNBC’s “All In,” Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR) argued that in order to undermine Russia’s power, we have to “end our dependence on oil and have the world transition to renewable energy.” Because Russia will be able to sell oil as long as there’s demand for oil, and called for a “climate emergency.” Merkley said, “As long as there is a world market for oil, Russia will be able to sell its oil. And so, unfortunately, not all my colleagues yet understand that the way to undercut the power of Russia is to end our dependence on oil and have the world transition to renewable energy.”
This is obviously coordinated and a sign they cannot directly respond to the concerns raised by the truckers, while having a scarcely veiled hostility. Where, ahead of arrival in DC, fencing went up around the Govt buildings housing Congress (just before State of Union speech) and some pandemic restrictions were eased. Both reveal policy analysis failure and an implied hostility to the heartland, working class people like those who drive trucks and serve in the military. Russia's threat is immediate. After 20+ years of trying it is clear that so called green energy is more hype than performance. The VP needs to ask where the key materials for batteries are mined. And Russia's threat is now, not in a dreamed of future. It seems, though, the truckers have won this round, and have made their point. If they have to reach so far to try a comeback pout down point, that is telling. KFkairosfocus_{March 8, 2022
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Footage of the convoy https://twitter.com/realDerekUtley/status/1500529129573265418kairosfocus_{March 7, 2022
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The best resume I've ever read: <<"[SNIP] is so fake that the minute an outsider took office we got cheap gas, cheap food, became energy independent, no wars and focused on our country’s own issues. Establishment hacks get back in and we have inflation, medical tyranny, world war 3, need to take a mortgage for gas.>> https://twitter.com/realjuliasong/status/1500536393717714946Lieutenant Commander Data_{March 7, 2022
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Kairosfocus Here we go . . . https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/06/us/trucker-convoy-protest-washington-dc-sunday/index.html On Sunday, the House Sergeant at Arms William Walker announced that the Capitol Police Board had issued an emergency declaration in response to the convoys’ arrival. “The Capitol Police Board has issued an emergency declaration to ensure that the US Capitol police are able to operate and respond as necessary,” Walker said in a letter to all members of Congress and staff. The I-Word, insurrectionists, hovers unstated but implied. Contrast Summer of 2020 when arson was across the street from the White House, KF PS, anyone notice the contrast between media minimalisation of the demonstration and the sort of official reaction we see here? Also, the difference in DM’s coverage?
Question: Half of US knows that legacy media is PsyOp and still watch them /haven't cancelled anything that pay them? Shouldn't be a mass exit from twitter/youtube/facebook/cable with legacy media / of all people who know that?Lieutenant Commander Data_{March 7, 2022
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Here we go . . . https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/06/us/trucker-convoy-protest-washington-dc-sunday/index.html
On Sunday, the House Sergeant at Arms William Walker announced that the Capitol Police Board had issued an emergency declaration in response to the convoys' arrival. "The Capitol Police Board has issued an emergency declaration to ensure that the US Capitol police are able to operate and respond as necessary," Walker said in a letter to all members of Congress and staff.
The I-Word, insurrectionists, hovers unstated but implied. Contrast Summer of 2020 when arson was across the street from the White House, KF PS, anyone notice the contrast between media minimalisation of the demonstration and the sort of official reaction we see here? Also, the difference in DM's coverage?kairosfocus_{March 7, 2022
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Another article with dozens of photos of Truckers on Washington Beltway today. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10583241/Peoples-Convoy-circles-Washington-DC-Beltway-promises-hold-line.htmljerry_{March 6, 2022
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You mean, if a landslide is strong enough you can't agit prop, lawfare and cheat your way around it?kairosfocus_{March 6, 2022
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why is there a rollback on masks
Elections.jerry_{March 6, 2022
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Mob slander power exemplified https://www.wnd.com/2022/03/christian-student-sues-school-campaign-portray-violent/kairosfocus_{March 6, 2022
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PPS, why is there a rollback on masks etc just now? https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/03/why-are-covid-restrictions-coming-off.phpkairosfocus_{March 6, 2022
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