UD Newswatch: Epstein Suicide

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August 10, 2019

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After a reported suicide attempt July 23, disgraced millionnaire Jeffery Epstein is reported to have committed suicide in his cell in Manhattan, New York. Daily Mail’s bullet-point summary:

Drudge “in red” headers list:

I add, Sun Aug 11, a video:

This comes just one day after May 3, 2016 testimony of Veronica Roberts Giuffre was unsealed. According to DM ” Giuffre alleged that she was trafficked by Epstein and Maxwell to have sex with and provide erotic massages for politicians and affluent businessmen.” (NB: For the record, she specifically denies being sexually involved with either former US President Clinton or present President Trump.)

Roberts’ testimony on Miami Herald (warning, has graphic messages):

A second victim Araoz (again, graphic):

This disturbing development is all the more questionable as Mr Epstein would have been a high profile prisoner at risk of both being murdered and committing suicide. He should have been under close guard and after the earlier incident he should have been under suicide watch.

This development is bound to feed all sorts of speculations about corrupt, ruthless global power elites. In that context, it is advisable to bear in mind straight vs spin principles:

Let us soberly reflect on this tragic development. END

PS: Let us at least hear what the witnesses in this Australian 60 Minutes report have to say:

For reference, Aus 60 mins on the stomach-churning testimony of a 15 yo survivor, victim and witness on a powerful UK network:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J9tNgu73Wc

Likewise, watch and come to your own conclusions on the Franklin case, noting that the balance of credibility has now definitively tipped:

Ask yourself, is this nightmare that you cannot wake up from where we want to go? And yes, those are the words of that 15 year old survivor.

PPS: The case and article an objector does not want to face:

Dutroux video report, FYI:

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F/N: Cernovitch, who was a petitioner to release the testimone released on Friday, comments:
https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2019/08/12/cernovich-epstein-press-conference-footage-explanation/ Many news media outlets neglected years-long goings-on involving Epstein until attempting to link the convicted sex offender to President Donald Trump, remarked Cernovich. “Jeffrey Epstein had been engaging in behavior that is now public for a long time, and nobody in the media cared about it,” recalled Cernovich. “That’s just the facts. You can find it anywhere. Then I took interest in the case in about 2017 and tried to get these records and civil lawsuits and to find out what was happening and, moreover, who he was working with and collaborating with.” Cernovich continued, “A lot of big names ultimately came out from that: Gov. Bill Richardson — again, these are allegations — was named. A former senator was named; Prince Andrew was named. And these documents are released on Friday, and the next day, Epstein’s dead from suicide. That is one strange coincidence.” Epstein’s death will degrade public trust in institutions and government, estimated Marlow. “It just erodes credibility in everything,” Marlow determined. “Law enforcement, government, especially in the media, as if there’s any credibility left. … We’ve got the highest-profile criminal in the entire world — who should be on suicide watch — who somehow dies, and we have no answers. We have no video. We have no witnesses, and we’re already on [Vladimir Putin], we’re not on the total erosion of trust in American institutions.” Cernovich agreed, “What you said about institutional trust is so on point. How do you trust institutions to do anything after this? This is an El Chapo-level thing; this is the most infamous criminal right now in custody other than the 9/11 terrorists. … This is an El Chapo-level person, and he’s just left to do what? Use shoelaces or something? But he doesn’t even have shoelaces. Nobody’s going to trust the institutions. Nobody’s going to trust the government. No press conference. No basic accountability. No footage.”
We should be asking some pretty pointed questions. KFkairosfocus_{August 13, 2019
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U/D: A picture begins to emerge, suggesting suicide by use of a sheet anchored to an upper bunk, the night after room mate was removed. Apparently taken off formal suicide watch on request of his attorneys (I assume with consent of the prison psychologist), and the cell mate was removed on apparent claim of feeling intimidated.Of course, we know of the overloaded guards. There is a suggestion of emergency workers dealing with a cold body by 6:30 to 7:00 am, as in likely hours dead, not mere cardiac arrest. It needs to be explained how the "paper sheet" was replaced with one strong enough to act as ersatz rope, given the earlier incident. Similarly, how he was not under high priority guard as a valuable information asset. Likewise, there is an account of some sort of tell what you know for reduced sentence deal in progress. A lot of people have a lot of explaining to do. KFkairosfocus_{August 13, 2019
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We are more technologically, academically, intellectually, and financially advanced than ever before in human history. Yet, suicide, depression, divorce, anxiety, and social dislocation are at all-time highs globally. Why? This world.
Trouble was brewing in Israel. As the Philistine army assembled against them, the nation watched in fear and hopelessness, hiding among rocks and tombs. Surveying the circumstances, Saul chose not to wait for Samuel; instead, he offered an unauthorized sacrifice to the Lord. Examining Saul’s actions, [...] while trusting God is seldom simple, disobeying Him is the heart of folly. Thankfully, our hope does not rest in ourselves, but in Christ, the obedient King.
Listen to this.PaoloV_{August 13, 2019
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F/N: Relevance. We need to understand how we process information/news/claimed facts/claimed knowledge, given straight vs spin issues and need to be aware of the problems of crooked yardsticks, tendency to reinforce current stances, the gap between conventional wisdom and what is warranted, the chaotic trends of our civilisation and more. The above shows such factors in action. Moreover, this case just might be a tipping point. Pedophilia is one of the points where there is a consensus that something is wrong. It tends to come in networks as the Franklin and Dutroux cases etc show, networks that tend to be well connected. We have here a suspicious death in custody of a potential high value source on such networks coupled to inadequate explanations. A lot of people are going to rethink in this like, and therefore it is useful to provide straight vs spin principles. That will open minds far more broadly than on a sad incident. KFkairosfocus_{August 12, 2019
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U/D: A pickup from AP:
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2019/08/11/ap-jeffrey-epsteins-guards-worked-extreme-overtime-shifts-the-night-of-his-death/ Guards on Jeffrey Epstein’s unit were working extreme overtime shifts to make up for staffing shortages the night of his apparent suicide, a person familiar with the jail’s operations tells The Associated Press. The person familiar with the Metropolitan Correctional Center’s operations told The Associated Press on Sunday that one guard in Epstein’s unit was working a fifth straight day of overtime and another guard was working mandatory overtime. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because he lacked authorization to discuss jail operations publicly. The jail staff failed to follow protocols leading up to Epstein’s death , according to a report from The New York Times , deepening the fallout from what led to the highly connected financier’s apparent suicide. Epstein should have been checked on by guards in his cell every 30 minutes, but that didn’t happen the night before his apparent suicide, a law enforcement official told the Times. The Times spoke to the official on the condition of anonymity. The Associated Press has not independently confirmed the information. Full Coverage: Jeffrey Epstein A law enforcement source also said he was alone in his cell Saturday night after his cellmate was transferred. An official with knowledge of the investigation told the Times that the Justice Department was told Epstein would have a cellmate and be monitored by a guard every 30 minutes.
With a prisoner at this level of importance? On the day the big unsealing of 2,000 pp of evidence happened? I don't buy this narrative; something is wrong. Take this as a yardstick of how much manipulation is going on, and how recklessly power brokers are playing with fire. Should we be asking pointed questions on how nuke plants and weapons as well as protection details are being managed? KFkairosfocus_{August 11, 2019
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Sev, normally I think incompetence explains many things indeed (though, let me add: incompetence does not exclude corruption and even conspiracies . . . where the corrupt at the actual job may well be experts in such dirty dealings and may be "protected" ). This one is just too convenient relative to what is WAS on the table as an alternative. How was Khalid Sheik Mohammed handled? Why the difference? KFkairosfocus_{August 11, 2019
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I lean towards the cockup rather than the conspiracy theory of history but I think the authorities need to answer why Epstein was taken off suicide watch and housed in a facility with notoriously low standards of care. Not only was he a central witness in a very high profile case but he was also someone who had lived the privileged life of the rich and powerful for many years and was facing the prospect of sending the rest of his life in jail. Those, to me, are reasons why he should have been under close watch and there needs to be a detailed accounting why this wasn't the case.Seversky_{August 11, 2019
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U/D: A former inmate speaks:
https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mcc-inmate-theres-no-way-jeffrey-epstein-killed-himself/ There’s no way that man could have killed himself. I’ve done too much time in those units. It’s an impossibility. Between the floor and the ceiling is like eight or nine feet. There’s no way for you to connect to anything. You have sheets, but they’re paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds — it would never happen. When you’re on suicide watch, they put you in this white smock, a straight jacket. They know a person cannot be injurious to themselves. The clothing they give you is a jump-in uniform. Everything is a dark brown color. Could he have done it from the bed? No sir. There’s a steel frame, but you can’t move it. There’s no light fixture. There’s no bars. They don’t give you enough in there that could successfully create an instrument of death. You want to write a letter, they give you rubber pens and maybe once a week a piece of paper. Nothing hard or made of metal. There’s up to 80 people there. They could put two in cell. It’s one or two, but I’ll never believe this guy had a cellmate. He was too blown up.
What was Mr Epstein's precise condition July 23? Saturday morning? What did in an unresponsive, fetal position mean, on the earlier occasion? What was or was not around his neck then, vs this time? Attached, to what? Given the reported claim of an attempted murder earlier, are we dealing with hanging or garotting, and with what? Paper-like flimsies will not work and attachment points are clearly a question. What does a credible coroner have to say? KFkairosfocus_{August 11, 2019
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BB, did you take time to hear what the girls have to say? They (apart from perhaps Ms Maxwell) do not know much, they were just the frightened, overawed girl toys. It was Mr Epstein who knew more, though other evidence out there points to existence of pedophilia networks, operating on wide scope geographically, with large numbers and for long periods. Often, including powerful but corrupt people. Those networks were what needed to be dug out of hiding and now, how conveniently, the lead is dead. He will not be able to corroborate and he will not be able to connect hidden dots. Also, the message: your silence or your life has been sent. Where, I notice that you have never taken back claims that were corrected. As for your attempt to push this into other subjects I already answered on what the defective defamation law in the US multiplied by its irresponsible lynch mob media and yet again by trying to toss cases that might fix the problem means. Short run, it is cheaper to pay to get the Barbary Pirates or invading chieftains to keep going elsewhere, long term somebody will have to deal with the shores of Tripoli or the problem goes utterly out of hand -- as recent media character lynchings clearly showed: politically covered accusers can get away with anything, so uncorroborated politically loaded accusation is worthless AND it is short term cheaper to pay off than go through a media lynching. Where also those taking a payoff AND going for a lynching simply make the situation far more potentially lethal. Where accusation = lynching, you are going over a cliff. The alternative to fixing defamation law is, this is going to end up as a horrific, chaotic, civilisationally suicidal matter of boxes labelled Federal, CCI, Remington etc. When courts, the media and elections become means of character lynching and ruin of lives, somebody is going to revert to the clan feud as solution. That will spiral into multi-sided full kinetic civil war, with a high proportion of assassinations. Lebanon on the grand scale. KF PS: With those sorts of dynamics threatening to come into play, we have a very different context for looking at what just happened. If confidence in justice and credibility is not restored soon and if the path of destabilising elections continues, circumstances can spin out of control very fast.kairosfocus_{August 11, 2019
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Killing Epstein does nothing about the large number of underage girls who were victimized, and who were witnesses.
What does that have to do with anything? Do you think any of those girls knew as much as Epstein? What if Epstein was NOT the leader? Do you think any of the victims knows?
The testimony that was recently made public, and contained some powerful names, was testimony of the witness, not Epstein.
Exactly. And now Epstein won't be around to validate that testimony. He definitely won't be able to add to it, either.ET_{August 11, 2019
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KF@48, what exactly would “they” be covering up? Killing Epstein does nothing about the large number of underage girls who were victimized, and who were witnesses. The testimony that was recently made public, and contained some powerful names, was testimony of the witness, not Epstein. As I said previously, propagating unproven conspiracy theories does no good but it has the potential to do great harm to innocent people. When I mentioned Trump paying off women to keep them quite (a proven fact) you accused me of scandal mongering. But when you make unproven accusations, it is somehow acceptable. Why the hypocrisy?Brother Brian_{August 11, 2019
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I find it interesting that brother brian lied and then tried to use willful ignorance as an excuse.ET_{August 11, 2019
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BB, again, you are setting up and knocking over a strawman. Clearly, Mr Epstein did not die of natural causes, on that the question is whether he or another was the actual perpetrator, or even that he killed himself under duress or as working out of a psychosocial programming.Where, reportedly he complained of a murder attempt a few weeks ago, likely connected to what is often reported as an earlier suicide attempt. But that is, strategically, secondary. The primary issue is that he was a known source of key information who needed to be properly secured and interrogated over the course of months to unravel a pedophilia network that was likely to involve powerful people. That such was not done and that he was taken off suicide watch after less than a week then there was lax monitoring on the day when explosive evidence was unsealed -- followed within 24 hours by his death -- constitutes a smoking gun. One that as simple fair comment points to a desired convenient outcome which duly happened. That is not an empty conspiracist speculation it is pointing to a highly suspicious pattern. You may not want to see it even as you ducked the newspaper clipping that is now above, but all of that reflects the wider pattern of the power of crooked yardsticks. KFkairosfocus_{August 11, 2019
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I find it interesting that when I argue that KF is propagating an unproven conspiracy theory (that Epstein was killed, not that pedophile rings exist) he responds with a link to a well known conspiracy theory website.Brother Brian_{August 11, 2019
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I certainly am not going to read or take seriously any article that starts out claiming that Pizzagate was fact.
The article was written before anyone knew any better. But thanks for admitting that you are willfully ignorant.
For the same reason that I would not read any article that started out claiming that the earth is only 10000 years old.
Willful ignorance it is, then.ET_{August 11, 2019
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Added, with selected text.kairosfocus_{August 11, 2019
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BB, I challenge you to watch the Australia 60 minutes video and come back to us. KF PS: You also again set up and knock over a strawman. The linked article in fact begins with a picture of a news article on Dutroux, with more than enough details. You took an en passant mention of a list to dismiss the focal issue, destructive networks. That's why I will now add that picture to the OP and it is why you have a vid watch challenge. In that context, you should also note that I am simply saying balance of credibility is shifting.kairosfocus_{August 11, 2019
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KF
I linked because of evidence on Dutroux in Belgium, as a disturbing sign. That is what you need to read. KF
I certainly am not going to read or take seriously any article that starts out claiming that Pizzagate was fact. For the same reason that I would not read any article that started out claiming that the earth is only 10000 years old. How can I take anything the writer says as fact, or even highly probable, when they make claims that are so easily disproven? It is just not worth my time.Brother Brian_{August 11, 2019
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There isn't a cure for brother brian's willful ignorance. Especially given its agenda.ET_{August 11, 2019
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ET, the blindness we see is symptomatic in the narrow context and the wider one. This is how a civilisation burns down. KFkairosfocus_{August 11, 2019
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I am quite familiar with states evidence. It is offered to underlings for testimony against the “kingpin”. By all accounts, Epstein was the kingpin. They were not going to offer leniency.
Again- It all depends on the case against him.ET_{August 11, 2019
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Earth to Brother Brian. You clearly have issues. I say that because of the DATE of the article that you refuse to read. The story that has since been debunked- pizzagate- was still in its infancy at the time of that article. It was not yet debunked. kairosfocus, you are wasting your precious time on Brother Brian.ET_{August 11, 2019
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BB, I care neither one way nor another on the specific case you name; whether specific pizzagate claims are so is irrelevant after Franklin and after clear evidence that tokens, codes etc for pedophilia networks exist. I linked because of evidence on Dutroux in Belgium, as a disturbing sign. That is what you need to read. KFkairosfocus_{August 11, 2019
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KF@35, I started reading the linked article but stopped after the first sentence when they referred to the long debunked Pizzagate conspiracy theory as fact. [--> That's funny, it actually leads with an image of an article exposing the Belgian network, with many sentences. The focus of the article is Dutroux et al, and it brings to the table things we need to hear. Yes, there are mentions of things that are perhaps idiosyncratic but that has nothing to do with the core. The side-stepping is therefore a sign.]Brother Brian_{August 11, 2019
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BB, that's where we are not so sure. If he was indeed a hub for a pedophilia network involving powerful people and possibly intelligence agencies, with questions of promotion and control by blackmail-fuelled networks, he precisely would not be the central node but now an expendable point of vulnerability. We already know that relatively minor secrets are used by whips in parliaments (consider David Cameron and that pig's mouth story) as means of control. This could be much much more serious, and simply the naming and picture [which notice I have NOT put up] of a prince of Windsor is in this context a serious sign. KF PS: The question is not whether pedophilia tied conspiracies exist or had been centred on Epstein as a hub. That issue is effectively settled, yes -- watch the vids and notice the settlements in favour of the victims, then ponder the unsealing of testimony Friday and death by Saturday in a context where several names had already been called. Add, that security measures on likely the highest profile prisoner in the system went lax on a day like that. The issue now is, why what SHOULD have been done to secure a key source was not done, especially when we see the source being plainly at risk of both murder and suicide. Indeed, he reportedly complained of a murder attempt some weeks ago. Possibly, connected to the earlier event.kairosfocus_{August 11, 2019
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F/N: Shocking videos added. Graphic language warning, disturbing testimony. Without endorsing, read here for a pointer on what could have been involved. This development shifts the balance on what needs to now at least be heard. KFkairosfocus_{August 11, 2019
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BB, you clearly do not know about major investigations into La Cosa Nostra (e.g. Valachi as a first illustration) and Terrorism or big ticket spy cases (start with Kaarlo Tuomi). For one, turning state’s evidence.
I am quite familiar with states evidence. It is offered to underlings for testimony against the “kingpin”. By all accounts, Epstein was the kingpin. They were not going to offer leniency. The events leading up to his suicide will be investigated. Suggesting some sort of conspiracy at this point is just irresponsible. You are doing exactly what you claim the “lamestream media” is guilty of.Brother Brian_{August 11, 2019
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PS: The developments this weekend are so bad we need to at least listen to this Australia 60 minutes report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaYz_EDxWI4 At minimum, something like that may well be going on and a key source into it was just silenced.kairosfocus_{August 11, 2019
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BB, maybe you do not know that part of my background is regionally exposing an abusive religious sect that clearly was manipulative under the Schein model. That is why your projection above is so obviously off target. Although, I do note that atheism also tends to run in families and communities. I suggest instead that on that toxic tangent you consider here and here then let us know precisely how such abuses the unfreezing, changing, refreezing Lewin model. Otherwise, you are simply projecting a toxic slander. KFkairosfocus_{August 11, 2019
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BB, you clearly do not know about major investigations into La Cosa Nostra (e.g. Valachi as a first illustration) and Terrorism or big ticket spy cases (start with Kaarlo Tuomi). For one, turning state's evidence. That's how a criminal network is cleaned out. Where, in this case the connexions were evidently much more potentially explosive up to and including the house of Windsor at least as claimed . . . with a pic that the prince should have known better than to pose for. Where, we know that extensive pedophile networks exist and are seriously disturbing (start from Dutroux or Franklin and exponentiate not merely extrapolate). KFkairosfocus_{August 11, 2019
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