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An interesting piece in the San Francisco Chronicle spells out the problems assistant prof Eric Hedin is having at Ball State U in Muncie, Indiana, where he teaches an honours course exploring the nature of the universe. He is accused by atheists of promoting intelligent design, and is under investigation. Here is who is investigating him, according to John West of the Discovery Institute, who did some research:

The three other panelists [besides Catherine Pilachowski, an astronomy prof from Indiana U who has chaired the American Astronomy Society] are Ball State faculty members Gary Dodson, a professor of biology; Juli Thorson Eflin, a professor of philosophy; and Richard Fluegeman Jr., a professor of geological sciences.

West said Pilachowski was on the governing council of AAS when it issued a declaration denouncing intelligent design in 2005 and stating that it should not be taught in science classes.

He also said Dodson signed an anti-creationism petition circulated by the lobbying group the National Center for Science Education and that in 2009, Dodson was a presenter and discussion leader for a Darwin Day conference organized by the Ball State Freethought Alliance.

Fluegeman delivered the opening lecture at the same Darwin Day conference.

Some of us suspect that the problem is a bit like this: The fine tuning of our universe suggests it is designed. The only serious alternative these days is the multiverse, for which there is no evidence.

So anyone who sets forth the facts honestly could be got on charges of non-atheism.

Hey, ya gotta choose: Lies, nonsense… or just don’t teach. Call it, if you like, the Ball State Railroad.

(We’ve covered this story here. And here.)

Note: Yes, that’s the same place as just hired exoplanet hunter Guillermo “Earth is special” Gonzalez. Maybe Hedin can get him to teach a few sessions on what a real planetary “habitability zone” involves. A bit more, let’s say, than two-inch type about billions of “habitable” planets.

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OK, almost necessarily, then BA77. I guess it's conceivable that the universe just happens to stop at that exact point beyond which wouldn't be able to see any further, even if it didn't.Elizabeth B Liddle
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Elizabeth:
Sure. You could read my post here, or you could just read Dembski’s 2005 Specification paper.
I have read both and you definitely do NOT know what you are talking about. And I am sure I have told you that on many occasions. Read Dr Johnson's book on probabilities... YOU need to stick with trying to find support for your position's claims as that is the only way you are going to refute ID. And it is very telling that you refuse to take that tact.Joe
July 15, 2013
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here you go to dogmatism again: "must necessarily be only a proportion"bornagain77
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Oh I see the highly questionable transformed into an unquestioned assertion and then back again when called on it. I'll guess I'll add insane to pathetic and typical (or 'wicked' but we would not rather think about that would we?)bornagain77
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Andre
I’m not anti multiverse or anti evolution or even anti science, what I am is anti swallow up wild claims that can not be tested or observed, that kind of stuff is not science, its religion because you need allot of faith to belief stuff you yourself can not experience, test or observe.
Cool. But in that case, what do you make of the "wild claim" that there their can only have been a maximum of 10^150 bit operations in the history of the universe, and that therefore life must have been designed? When that estimate was based on what must necessarily be only a proportion (and an estimated small proportion) of the total universe?Elizabeth B Liddle
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Joe: Sure. You could read my post here, or you could just read Dembski's 2005 Specification paper. BA77, re "dogmatic assertion": What part of "Estimates are that the universe is 10^23 larger than the part we can observe", and " it’s apparently about 10^23, and "view the case for our observable universe... being only 1/100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of the whole" don't you understand?Elizabeth B Liddle
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Elizabeth I'm not anti multiverse or anti evolution or even anti science, what I am is anti swallow up wild claims that can not be tested or observed, that kind of stuff is not science, its religion because you need allot of faith to belief stuff you yourself can not experience, test or observe. Being skeptical about claims that are not able to be tested or or that can not be observed is a good thing, it means I can comprehend, reason and use logic. I'm confident that I'm ok.Andre
July 15, 2013
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Please note how when shown that her dogmatic assertion for the size of the universe (10^23 past observable) is highly questionable she doesn't miss a beat and goes from dogmatism to 'may be'. pathetic and typical!bornagain77
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Elizabeth:
Which rather knocks CSI out of the water, even if we assume that P(T|H) really does represent the entire independent random draw configuration space, and is the “relevant chance hypothesis” for life.
Cuz Lizzie sez so! Care to make a positive case Lizzie?Joe
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The multiverse would put a damper on materialism- they can't even explain this universe nevermind many others.Joe
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I just checked out Seth Lloyd's paper, Computational Capacity of the Universe, and find, interestingly (although I now remember that this has been mentioned before), that his upper limit on the number of possible operations is 10^120 (i.e. 400 bits) rather than 10^150 (the more generous 500 bits usually proposed by Dembski). However, what I also found was that his calculation was based on the volume of the universe within the particle horizon, which he defines as:
...the boundary between the part of the universe about which we could have obtained information over the course of the history of the universe and the part about which we could not.
In other words, that 400 bit limit is only for the region of the universe observable by us, which we know pretty well for sure must be a minor fraction of the total. However, it seems that a conservative lower limit on the proportion of the entire universe that is within the particle horizon is 250, and could be as much as 10^23, so that 400 bit limit needs to be raised to at least 100,000, and possibly very much more. Which rather knocks CSI out of the water, even if we assume that P(T|H) really does represent the entire independent random draw configuration space, and is the "relevant chance hypothesis" for life. heh. But I'm no cosmologist - any physicist like to weigh in?Elizabeth B Liddle
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OF note: Alan Guth, if it is assumed that inflation began about 10?37 seconds after the Big Bang, then with the plausible assumption that the size of the universe at this time was approximately equal to the speed of light times its age, that would suggest that at present the entire universe's size is at least 10^23 times larger than the size of the observable universe.[12] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe#The_universe_versus_the_observable_universe Yet the inflation conjecture of Guth, upon which the 10^23 number is derived is shown to be highly problematic: One of cosmic (Rapid) inflation theory’s creators now questions own theory - April 2011 Excerpt: (Rapid) Inflation adds a whole bunch of really unlikely metaphysical assumptions — a new force field that has a never-before-observed particle called the “inflaton”, an expansion faster than the speed of light, an interaction with gravity waves which are themselves only inferred– just so that it can explain the unlikely contingency of a finely-tuned big bang. But instead of these extra assumptions becoming more-and-more supported, the trend went the opposite direction, with more-and-more fine-tuning of the inflation assumptions until they look as fine-tuned as Big Bang theories. At some point, we have “begged the question”. Frankly, the moment we add an additional free variable, I think we have already begged the question. In a Bayesean comparison of theories, extra variables reduce the information content of the theory, (by the so-called Ockham factor), so these inflation theories are less, not more, explanatory than the theory they are supposed to replace.,,, after 20 years of work, if we haven’t made progress, but have instead retreated, it is time to cut bait. https://uncommondescent.com/cosmology/cosmology-one-of-cosmic-inflation-theory%E2%80%99s-creators-now-questions-own-theory/ A new study,, challenges the inflation model - April 12, 2013 Excerpt: CfA astronomers Anna Ijjas, Paul Steinhardt, and Avi Loeb have just published a paper arguing that the new Planck results, far from lending credibility to ideas of inflation, actually undermine them. Indeed, they argue that they pose a challenge to cosmology overall. In an ironic and subtle twist, the scientists point out that the results of Planck are actually too good, because they confirm with high precision only the very simplest version of inflation. Yet, they argue, if one believes in the principles of inflation the simplest version is actually by far the most unlikely version. Hence the whole edifice of inflation becomes untenable. http://scitechdaily.com/new-study-challenges-planck-results/ (it turns out rapid inflation was initially postulated to 'smooth away' the 'problems' of fine tuning in the initial conditions of the universe and that that conjecture has now come full circle to bite atheists in the rear end) The Absurdity of Inflation, String Theory and The Multiverse - Dr. Bruce Gordon - video http://vimeo.com/34468027 Sean Carroll channels Giordano Bruno - Robert Sheldon - November 2011 Excerpt: 'In fact, on Lakatos' analysis, both String Theory and Inflation are clearly "degenerate science programs".' http://procrustes.blogtownhall.com/2011/11/08/sean_carroll_channels_giordano_bruno.thtmlbornagain77
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I’m just curious about the resistance here to the concept of multiverses. It seems entirely unthreatening to the idea of God.
I personally have no problem with the concept though as I have pointed out, it does lead to some interesting logical absurdities. I also have no problem with God creating other forms of intelligence in our universe or other universes, even in the vastly expanded one you propose. What I find amusing is the absurdity of the anti-God position. It may be true but I find it one of very low probability. The people who hold it are actually the ones who are more absolute in their beliefs than those who believe a creator is logical. I find little give in their positions even as they are pushed into corners. The mantra is "I will not give an inch." I use the old English but current American unit of measure.jerry
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the atheists actual position as the ABG Hypothesis, Anything But God Hypothesis.
This was one of the elements of Denyse's rants the other day which I believe is absolutely true given my 15 years of observing this nonsense. If an alternative to Darwinian processes could be found, Darwin will go the way of Marx and Freud and other nuts who captured the imagination of a large subset of the planet. He would be gone one second later with the admission that they knew all along that his ideas really couldn't explain too much So will they abandon the Multi-verse argument when it logically implies not only a God but an infinite number of them.jerry
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I'm not disagreeing with you, jerry, I'm just curious about the resistance here to the concept of multiverses. It seems entirely unthreatening to the idea of God. And it's especially curious when the same objection doesn't seem to be raised to the idea of multiple observable-universes within our own.Elizabeth B Liddle
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Does that mean there are a vast number of Gods for this universe?
What is so special about this universe in a multi-verse scenario? It is just one big happy Multi-verse. It is just a logical consequence of the multi-verse argument. If there are not an infinite number then that might limit a God, but if there is an infinite number it means that there are an infinite number and no matter which one you find, there will always be one more powerful. And an infinite number of them will have said "Let there be light." But maybe not all in English. Just an infinite subset of them. Just using absurdity to demonstrate absurdity.jerry
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jerry:
Boy, does that sound like an argument for Intelligent Design. This was part of the argument made in Meyer’s book for the legitimacy of the ID thesis.
It's not an argument at all, it's a question. I'm really curious about how the anti-multiverse contingent view the case for our observable universe (the one we can measure things in, like constants) being only 1/100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of the whole.Elizabeth B Liddle
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Jerry I think I heard Dr. Meyer once refer to the atheists actual position as the ABG Hypothesis, Anything But God Hypothesis. :)bornagain77
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No, I don't think it makes any difference at all. Nor would multiverses. I'm not really sure why there is all this fuss about multiverse models, but given that there is, I do wonder what people think of the much more solid argument that there are multiple regions the size of our observable universe within this one, and which may have very different properties.Elizabeth B Liddle
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Elizabeth So? Does a bigger universe than we can observe make the need for a Creator any less?Andre
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Do you think that because they cannot be observed, we should ignore them?
Boy, does that sound like an argument for Intelligent Design. This was part of the argument made in Meyer's book for the legitimacy of the ID thesis.jerry
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But we can't do that, Andre, because we can't observe anything that is too far away for its light to reach us. We can infer that it's there by other means, but we can't know anything about it, other than estimate its size. I don't see how its size make any difference to free will. But if it does, then it's apparently about 10^23 times bigger than it looks! In other words, before we even start on wondering about multiverses, there is 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times more universe than the part we can actually do any kind of measurements on.Elizabeth B Liddle
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Elizabeth We search until we observe them how about that? I did not say ignore or discard no, we explore we where made to do that!!!! Most importantly how big do you think the universe must be to sustain free will? I wonder? I think its this size precisely because of the cost of free will.Andre
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I will bring up my thesis again. Proposing infinite universes is essentially proposing an infinite number of gods.
Is the same true of a vast number of regions of this universe that we cannot ever observe, and which together dwarf our local observable patch? Does that mean there are a vast number of Gods for this universe?Elizabeth B Liddle
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Elizabeth I hold that the Christian God is true and I hold that the Bible is God's infallible word, so far it has not been proven wrong. Here is the problem with Christianity and the we are not alone theory. If Jesus Christ is true and died for the sins of man it is a one time event in our universe only. I can not see Jesus being born and dying on every planet where there was sin. That would make it an almost every day event and there is nothing special about that. Nah the universe is as big as it is because the stars Display His Glory.Andre
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I have to concur, we have not observed the edge of our universe yet that much is true but to speculate that there are an infinite number of these is just fantasy. Nobody knows and you can bring a million mathematical models none of them make it true. Unless these universes are observed its not science.
We do not need to directly observe something to make it science. Much of physics consists in observing the traces of things rather than the thing-itself. And I'm not talking about lots of other Big Bang-spawned universes - I'm talking about the other, unobservable, but vastly larger, regions of this one. Do you think that because they cannot be observed, we should ignore them?Elizabeth B Liddle
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jerry, that was a very short, sweet, concise way to put the ontological argument from many-worlds: The materialistic conjecture of an infinity of universes to ‘explain away’ the fine tuning of this universe also insures, through the ontological argument, the 100% probability of the existence of God: God Is Not Dead Yet – William Lane Craig – Page 4 The ontological argument. Anselm’s famous argument has been reformulated and defended by Alvin Plantinga, Robert Maydole, Brian Leftow, and others. God, Anselm observes, is by definition the greatest being conceivable. If you could conceive of anything greater than God, then that would be God. Thus, God is the greatest conceivable being, a maximally great being. So what would such a being be like? He would be all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-good, and he would exist in every logically possible world. But then we can argue: 1. It is possible that a maximally great being (God) exists. 2. If it is possible that a maximally great being exists, then a maximally great being exists in some possible world. 3. If a maximally great being exists in some possible world, then it exists in every possible world. 4. If a maximally great being exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world. 5. Therefore, a maximally great being exists in the actual world. 6. Therefore, a maximally great being exists. 7. Therefore, God exists. Now it might be a surprise to learn that steps 2–7 of this argument are relatively uncontroversial. Most philosophers would agree that if God’s existence is even possible, then he must exist. So the whole question is: Is God’s existence possible? The atheist has to maintain that it’s impossible that God exists. He has to say that the concept of God is incoherent, like the concept of a married bachelor or a round square. But the problem is that the concept of God just doesn’t appear to be incoherent in that way. The idea of a being which is all-powerful, all knowing, and all-good in every possible world seems perfectly coherent. And so long as God’s existence is even possible, it follows that God must exist. http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/july/13.22.html?start=4 Where this argument has gained purchase is in the materialist/atheist appeal to the multiverse (an infinity of possible worlds) to try to ‘explain away’ the extreme fine tuning we find for this universe. The materialist/atheist, without realizing it, ends up conceding the necessary premise to the ontological argument and thus guarantees the success of the argument and thus insures the 100% probability of God’s existence! I like the concluding comment about the ontological argument from the following Dr. Plantinga video: "God then is the Being that couldn't possibly not exit." Ontological Argument – Dr. Plantinga (3:50 minute mark) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCXvVcWFrGQ Ontological Argument For God From The Many Worlds Hypothesis - William Lane Craig - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4784641 This following video deals with many of the technical objections that atheists/materialists have tried to raise to the ontological argument: The Ontological Argument (The Introduction) – video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQPRqHZRP68 And as weird as it may sound, this following video refines the Ontological argument into a proof that, because of the characteristic of ‘maximally great love’, God must exist in more than one person: The Ontological Argument for the Triune God - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGVYXog8NUg Moreover, not only does the multiverse insure the success of the ontological argument, the multiverse also clearly demarcates the epistemological failure that is inherent within the materialistic worldview: BRUCE GORDON: Hawking's irrational arguments - October 2010 Excerpt: What is worse, multiplying without limit the opportunities for any event to happen in the context of a multiverse - where it is alleged that anything can spontaneously jump into existence without cause - produces a situation in which no absurdity is beyond the pale. For instance, we find multiverse cosmologists debating the "Boltzmann Brain" problem: In the most "reasonable" models for a multiverse, it is immeasurably more likely that our consciousness is associated with a brain that has spontaneously fluctuated into existence in the quantum vacuum than it is that we have parents and exist in an orderly universe with a 13.7 billion-year history. This is absurd. The multiverse hypothesis is therefore falsified because it renders false what we know to be true about ourselves. Clearly, embracing the multiverse idea entails a nihilistic irrationality that destroys the very possibility of science. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/oct/1/hawking-irrational-arguments/ Here is a fairly interesting talk I listened to this morning that goes a bit further into many of the nuanced details, and history, of the abject epistemological failure inherent within atheism: The Atheist’s Guide to Intellectual Suicide – video https://vimeo.com/60437420bornagain77
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Wow!! Isn’t it amazing what an explosion amidst nothingness can achieve?
Yes indeed, but I'm more interested to know whether you accept the basic principle that the observable universe (the one we know about, the dead centre of which we are necessarily at) is only a tiny fraction of the whole. Or do you think that we are, in fact, at the centre of the entire universe?Elizabeth B Liddle
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No, bornagain, but it seems fairly uncontestable that this universe consists of far more (maybe 23 orders of magnitude) universe that we can see than universe that we can't. And who knows how much of it has the same tuning as this bit? Can we assume so? And even if we can, doesn't that rather increase the probability that we are not alone?Elizabeth B Liddle
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I will bring up my thesis again. Proposing infinite universes is essentially proposing an infinite number of gods. Would there be any limit to an intelligence that could develop in an infinite subset of these universes. And what is to stop one of these intelligences without limit to say somewhere "Let there be light" and play God. Read one of Isaac Asimov most enjoyable short stories which begins with a discussion of reversing entropy, a frequently hot topic here: http://filer.case.edu/dts8/thelastq.htmjerry
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