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Cosmos finale of course claims there is no fine-tuning of universe for life

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Fine- tuning is one of the easiest facts to establish, and no one would dispute it, apart from certain agendas:

Sunday night’s episode thus included a lengthy segment quoting Carl Sagan from the original Cosmos series giving his famous pale blue dot monologue. Sagan called Earth a “mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam,” and “a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark.” The monologue promotes the materialistic view that “In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.” But perhaps the most telling Sagan quote replayed on Sunday night cited:

the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe are challenged by this point of pail light.

That comment from Sagan, of course, played an important role in instigating a project by Guillermo Gonzalez and Jay Richards … More.

So basically, between Sagan’s death and now there has been no evidence against fine-tuning?

Don’t expect THAT to be on any curriculum. Might be illegal.

For a brief look at why fine-tuning is a big problem for current science, see The Science Fictions series at your fingertips (cosmology).

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18 Replies to “Cosmos finale of course claims there is no fine-tuning of universe for life

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    Acartia_bogart says:

    “Fine- tuning is one of the easiest facts to establish, and no one would dispute it, apart from certain agendas:”

    Fine-tuning is not a fact at all because it implies that there was a tuner. All we can say is that the conditions on earth, and presumably elsewhere in the universe, are well suited for the development and continuation of life. But this is not the same as concluding that it was tuned with this end in mind.

    Water based life exists on earth largely because the planet is in an appropriate orbit to allow for liquid water. This was the result of basic physics, not design.

    I have read how if any of numerous physical constants were even marginally different, that the universe either wouldn’t exist, or would be so remarkably different that life as we know it couldn’t exist. Although this is a mathematical and physical fact, and an interesting thought experiment, there is no evidence that I am aware of that it is possible for these constants to have been anything other than what they are.

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    wallstreeter43 says:

    Wrong Bogart. What we are doing is making an inference to the best explanation from our experience, and in this fashion we say the universe seems to be fine tuned for life.

    Science does this all the time and I don’t see why we cant make an inference to the best explanation here as well.

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    wallstreeter43 says:

    I also do this when discussing the shroud of turin as well πŸ˜‰

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    OldArmy94 says:

    And our multiverse happens to be one that is tuned for us. I am just glad we weren’t tuned to be the one where the Flying Spaghetti Monster hovers around looking for me to devour…with parmesan sprinkled on top!

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    ppolish says:

    Expect the “pale blue dot” crowd to throw coniptions come 9/14 when “The Principle” hits theatres:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ata_player

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    ppolish says:

    OldArmy, you are nothing but a ball of meat to an Atheist. You sir are a meatball.

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    ppolish says:

    Thanks to links from BA77, I have learned there are 2 levels of Fine-Tuning – Cosmological & Terrestrial.

    The Multiverse is the solution proposed for Cosmological fine tuning, while theMillion/Billions of Habitable Planets proposes to answer the Terrestrial fine
    tuning.

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    kairosfocus says:

    News,

    A typical piece of cynical talking point games aiming to plant a On fine tuning, intended to trigger unthinking dismissiveness on the part of those eager to learn their “science” from a vide series.

    here, by Robin Collins. (This summary is quicker and gives astronomy 101 context.)

    KF

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    kairosfocus says:

    Ab: If the parameters, laws and abundances in the cosmos that place the observed cosmos at a fine tuned operating point were FORCED to hold their current values, that simply moves the fine tuning up one level. And, if you have a wall section with just one fly hit by a bullet, the AIM is fine tuned and the RIFLE is also fine tuned. And this still holds even if other stretches of wall are carpeted with flies. (I am citing John Leslie here.) KF

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    groovamos says:

    Bogart: Water based life exists on earth largely because the planet is in an appropriate orbit to allow for liquid water.

    Hey Bogart I can also say that life exists on earth largely because the planet has the appropriate amount of radioactivity in the core to allow for liquid iron — with as much justification as your statement.

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    Robert Byers says:

    Carl Sagan was Jewish and from Canada i think. Therefore he had no christian heritage or belief. so why does it matter if HE thinks we are alone and not god created or special!!
    HMMMM.
    This is a christian civilization and we know better.
    We say we were created, hunks of proof of being special (Sagan too), and ewe have in our millions concluded this for centuries.
    Stupid crappy shows about boring outer space ain’t gonna change that.
    THE EVIDENCE for this is that the modern cosmos had too sooooo aggressively attack ID/YEC.
    They have lost ground since old man Sagan’s time.
    the next cosmos will be with a God centred universe methinks at this rate.

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    Piotr says:

    Robert “Booby” Byers,

    Carl Sagan was born in Seattle. Update the maps of North America: Canada has annexed the state of Washington.

    “Thank you, Herr Einstein… Surely you’re joking, Mr Feynman… Sorry, we have to turn down your application, Hr. Bohr… We don’t care what you think and we don’t like your crappy shows. You are all Jewish scientists, and this is a Christian civilisation. We know better.”

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    Joe says:

    The laws and constants just are the way they are- science class over. 😎

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    Acartia_bogart says:

    Bobby: “Carl Sagan was Jewish and from Canada i think. Therefore he had no christian heritage or belief. so why does it matter if HE thinks we are alone and not god created or special!!

    You do realize that the foundation of christianity is the jewish religion don’t you?You do know that Jesus was jewish, and never claimed not to be don’t you?

    Piotr, you forgot to mention Jonas Salk, Edward Teller, Robert Oppenheimer, etc.

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    ppolish says:

    And if the “Cosmological Constant” & “Hierarchy Problem” weren’t enough of a fine tuning conundrum, we now have a fine tuned Higgs:)

    http://io9.com/did-the-higgs-b.....-512856167

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    Robert Byers says:

    Piotr
    I’m saying that it is a christian civilization and these hugh numbers of people , past and present, know better IF judging about God and universe is going to take place.
    It doesn’t matter by the way if someone is jewish. They just grow up in the Christian civilization and are a entirely a product of it. Same as with a Shaman Sioux Indian if they invented or discovered something. its only because they live with us obviously.
    We do know better then others and thats why we created the modern world.
    The rest are copycats only. not organic.
    however my point was against arrogance and pomposity of this Sagan dude.
    he can’t dismiss God without really dismissing Christian civilizations historic confidence in gOd and his creation.

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    Acartia_bogart says:

    Bobby, you should read more about your own religion. You do realize that the Christian god and the Jewish god are the same god? So why can’t Jewish people judge as well as Christians what this god intended?

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