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Hey, not much religion news today, as the new atheists must be on vacay or something. But our old fave Peter Woit is back, and offers this re discovering the parallel universe:

In fairness, we always thought there was No Free Lunch and we would end up having to pay our parking fines and the rent.

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22 Replies to “Parallel universe on temporary hold

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    bornagain77 says:

    as to this claim from the linked article:

    “Normally, when people think of the multiverse, they think of the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, where every possibility is actualised.

    “This cannot be tested and so it is philosophy and not science.”

    Actually, contrary to what they thought possible for experimental physics, the materialistic many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics was just falsified last week.

    The many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics denies the reality of the collapse of the wave packet:

    Quantum mechanics
    Excerpt: The Everett many-worlds interpretation, formulated in 1956, holds that all the possibilities described by quantum theory simultaneously occur in a multiverse composed of mostly independent parallel universes.[43] This is not accomplished by introducing some new axiom to quantum mechanics, but on the contrary by removing the axiom of the collapse of the wave packet:

    Yet the ‘axiom of the collapse of the wave packet’ has now been shown to be real. Thus many-worlds is falsified:

    Quantum experiment verifies Einstein’s ‘spooky action at a distance’ – March 24, 2015
    Excerpt: An experiment,, has for the first time demonstrated Albert Einstein’s original conception of “spooky action at a distance” using a single particle.
    ,,Professor Howard Wiseman and his experimental collaborators,, report their use of homodyne measurements to show what Einstein did not believe to be real, namely the non-local collapse of a (single) particle’s wave function.,,
    According to quantum mechanics, a single particle can be described by a wave function that spreads over arbitrarily large distances,,,
    ,, by splitting a single photon between two laboratories, scientists have used homodyne detectors—which measure wave-like properties—to show the collapse of the wave function is a real effect,,
    This phenomenon is explained in quantum theory,, the instantaneous non-local, (beyond space and time), collapse of the wave function to wherever the particle is detected.,,,
    “Einstein never accepted orthodox quantum mechanics and the original basis of his contention was this single-particle argument. This is why it is important to demonstrate non-local wave function collapse with a single particle,” says Professor Wiseman.
    “Einstein’s view was that the detection of the particle only ever at one point could be much better explained by the hypothesis that the particle is only ever at one point, without invoking the instantaneous collapse of the wave function to nothing at all other points.
    “However, rather than simply detecting the presence or absence of the particle, we used homodyne measurements enabling one party to make different measurements and the other, using quantum tomography, to test the effect of those choices.”
    “Through these different measurements, you see the wave function collapse in different ways, thus proving its existence and showing that Einstein was wrong.”

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    daveS says:


    Actually, contrary to what they thought possible for experimental physics, the materialistic many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics was just falsified last week.

    Does the paper state explicitly that MWI has been falsified, or do you have a link to further discussion confirming this?

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    bornagain77 says:

    daveS, so you hold that the many-worlds interpretation includes, as a foundational precept, collapse of the wave packet instead of denies it? REALLY???

    Perhaps you would like to write a paper and inform the physics community at large of your unique take on many-worlds so as to bring them up to speed?

    I look forward to the vetting process of your paper! Please do keep me informed as to the reactions you receive. 🙂

    Here is a bit deeper look at the many fallacies inherent in the Many-Worlds Interpretation:

    A Critique of the Many Worlds Interpretation – (Inspiring Philosophy – 2014) – video

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    daveS says:


    daveS, so you hold that the many-worlds interpretation includes, as a foundational precept, collapse of the wave packet instead of denies it? REALLY???


    But if a mainstream interpretation of QM has just been falsified, I would expect to see that stated in the paper, or at least some discussion by top physicists, and perhaps David Deutsch would announce his retirement. 🙂

    Do you have any independent confirmation?

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    bornagain77 says:

    daveS, wave function collapse and many worlds are mutually exclusive.

    David Deutsch is not nearly as infallible as you believe, but anyways, instead of focusing on him, let’s focus on the evidence at hand…

    you want ‘independent confirmation’ that many-words has been falsified?

    Tell you what daveS, I’m a empirical evidence kind of guy also, and could care less about the exalted opinions of David Deutsch and such as him, so why don’t you show me the experimental evidence that refutes the experimental evidence I cited. i.e. show me experimental evidence that proves wave function collapse is not real instead of real as the experiment I cited did!

    That would be more scientific would it not?

    The Scientific Method – Richard Feynman – video
    Quote: ‘If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science. It doesn’t make any difference how beautiful your guess is, it doesn’t matter how smart you are who made the guess, or what his name is… If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. That’s all there is to it.”

    And once again daveS, as I did yesterday, since I can see you are severely disingenuous to the evidence at hand, and since I have much better things to do today than watch you chase your atheistic tail in a circle trying to find some dark corner to hide your atheistic beliefs in, I rest my case and move on to more pleasant things.

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    daveS says:

    daveS, David Deutsch is not nearly as infallible as you believe, but anyways, instead of focusing on him, let’s focus on the evidence at hand…

    you want ‘independent confirmation’ that many-words has been falsified?

    Tell you what daveS, I’m a empirical evidence kind of guy also, and could care less about the exalted opinions of David Deutsch and such as him, so why don’t you show me the experimental evidence that refutes the experimental evidence I cited. i.e. show me experimental evidence that proves wave function collapse is not real instead of real as the experiment I cited did!

    Again with the burden-shifting. This is your claim, BA77.

    We both know that if MWI has actually been falsified, then this would be the physics story of the year, and it wouldn’t be difficult for you to come up with some corroboration.

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    Mapou says:

    DaveS #6,

    MWI is not science because it cannot be falsified by definition. It is based on an idea in quantum physics called superposition which is a mere interpretation of experimental data. Nobody can test to see if superposition is true. This is forbidden by definition. This is because, as soon as the supposed superposed property is observed, the wave function supposedly collapses to instantly reveal one state or the other.

    But notice that you can’t know anything about the property in question before (or after) observation. Hell, you can’t even tell whether or not the wave function has already collapsed if you are not looking. And yet, this unknown and unknowable (by definition) state of matter is the basis of an entire “scientific discipline”. It has even given birth to a completely new field of computing called quantum computing.

    Imagine that. An entire field of science based on superstition. It’s not even kindergarten physics. It’s chicken feather voodoo. It’s really pathetic. Physicists should be hiding in shame.

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    Mapou says:

    More voodoo physics from the usual MWI suspects. Check this out:

    The superposed wave function of a particle collapses only if it is observed by a (wait for it) conscious observer.

    But what the heck. People like David Deutsch and others make a comfortable living peddling the religion.

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    Seversky says:

    What I’m not clear about is whether all the other LHCs in those parallel universes have simultaneously been put on hold. Or don’t they have LHCs and somebody’s going to get a big surprise when we break through into their universe.

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    Joe says:

    The question should be- can you parallel park parallel universes?

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    daveS says:


    DaveS #6,

    MWI is not science because it cannot be falsified by definition.

    I’m aware that that is one criticism of MWI.

    In any case, BA77 is claiming to the contrary that it has been falsified, which is what I’m most interested in here.

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    ppolish says:

    Multiverse World’s are not the same as Many Worlds. Many Worlds are exquisitely fine tuned copies of our world. Multiverse Worlds have flying rainbow monkeys. Both pretty neat if you ask me.

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    Cross says:

    Joe @ 10

    “The question should be- can you parallel park parallel universes?”

    In theory, but most can’t manage it, they just fly around till there’s a big enough space somewhere. 😉


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    bornagain77 says:

    As to multiverses: Although we have no empirical evidence of multiverses, which were postulated by materialists to try to get around the Theistic implications of fine-tuning, we do have evidence of a higher dimension(s) above this one as has been postulated by Theism for thousands of years. The following video gives us a small insight as to what it would be like to exist in a higher dimension:

    Dr. Quantum in Flatland – video
    of note: The preceding video is the lead off video on the outreach page of Dr. Anton Zeilinger’s quantum group in Vienna:

    In Theism, particularly Christian Theism, it is held there are two ultimate destinies for our eternal souls. Heaven or Hell! And in physics we find two very different higher dimensional ‘eternities’ just as Theism has held for millennia. An extremely orderly eternity associated with Special Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, and a destructive eternity associated with General Relativity. In this post I will focus on the eternity associated with Special Relativity.
    One higher dimensional eternity in physics is found ‘if’ a hypothetical observer were to accelerate to the speed of light. In this scenario, time, as we understand it, would come to a complete stop for the hypothetical observer. To grasp the whole ‘time coming to a complete stop at the speed of light’ concept a little more easily, imagine moving away from the face of a clock at the speed of light. Would not the hands on the clock stay stationary as you moved away from the face of the clock at the speed of light? Moving away from the face of a clock at the speed of light happens to be the same ‘thought experiment’ that gave Einstein his breakthrough insight into e=mc2.

    Albert Einstein – Special Relativity – Insight Into Eternity – ‘thought experiment’ – video

    “I’ve just developed a new theory of eternity.”
    Albert Einstein – The Einstein Factor – Reader’s Digest – 2005

    Some may think that time, as we understand it, coming to a complete stop at the speed of light is pure science fiction, but, as incredible as it sounds, Einstein’s famous thought experiment has many lines of empirical evidence now supporting it.

    Velocity time dilation tests

    “The laws of relativity have changed timeless existence from a theological claim to a physical reality. Light, you see, is outside of time, a fact of nature proven in thousands of experiments at hundreds of universities. I don’t pretend to know how tomorrow can exist simultaneously with today and yesterday. But at the speed of light they actually and rigorously do. Time does not pass.”
    Richard Swenson – More Than Meets The Eye, Chpt. 12

    This following confirmation of time dilation is my favorite since they have actually caught time dilation on film:
    (of note: light travels approximately 1 foot in a nanosecond (billionth of a second) whilst the camera used in the experiment takes a trillion pictures a second):

    Amazing — light filmed at 1,000,000,000,000 Frames/Second! – video (so fast that at 9:00 Minute mark of video you can briefly see the time dilation effect of relativity caught on film!)

    This higher dimension, ‘eternal’, inference for the time framework of light is also warranted, by logic, because light is not ‘frozen within time’, i.e. light appears to move to us in our temporal framework of time, yet it is shown that time, as we understand it, does not pass for light.
    The only way this is possible is if light is indeed of a higher dimensional value of time than our temporal time is otherwise it would simply be ‘frozen in time’.
    Another line of evidence that supports the inference that ‘tomorrow can exist simultaneously with today and yesterday’, at the ‘eternal’ speed of light, is visualizing what would happen if a hypothetical observer were to approach the speed of light.
    Please note, at the 3:22 minute mark of the following video, when the 3-Dimensional world ‘folds and collapses’ into a tunnel shape as a ‘hypothetical’ observer moves towards the ‘higher dimension’ of the speed of light, (Of note: This following video was made by two Australian University Physics Professors with a supercomputer.).

    Approaching The Speed Of Light – Optical Effects – video

    And better yet, we have testimonies from Near Death Experiencers testifying to these ‘higher dimensional attributes’ that are witnessed in Special Relativity. Specifically, we have testimony for both the ‘eternal’ attribute and the ‘tunnel’ attribute of Special Relativity.
    Here is testimony from a few Near Death Experiencers experiencing the ‘eternal’ attribute of special relativity:

    ‘Earthly time has no meaning in the spirit realm. There is no concept of before or after. Everything – past, present, future – exists simultaneously.’
    – Kimberly Clark Sharp – NDE Experiencer

    ‘There is no way to tell whether minutes, hours or years go by. Existence is the only reality and it is inseparable from the eternal now.’
    – John Star – NDE Experiencer

    ‘In the ‘spirit world,,, instantly, there was no sense of time. See, everything on earth is related to time. You got up this morning, you are going to go to bed tonight. Something is new, it will get old. Something is born, it’s going to die. Everything on the physical plane is relative to time, but everything in the spiritual plane is relative to eternity. Instantly I was in total consciousness and awareness of eternity, and you and I as we live in this earth cannot even comprehend it, because everything that we have here is filled within the veil of the temporal life. In the spirit life that is more real than anything else and it is awesome. Eternity as a concept is awesome. There is no such thing as time. I knew that whatever happened was going to go on and on.’
    In The Presence Of Almighty God – The NDE of Mickey Robinson – video

    And here is testimony from a few Near Death Experiencers experiencing the ‘tunnel’ attribute of special relativity:

    “Very often as they’re moving through the tunnel, there’s a very bright mystical light … not like a light we’re used to in our earthly lives. People call this mystical light, brilliant like a million times a million suns…”
    – Jeffrey Long M.D. – has studied NDE’s extensively

    “I started to move toward the light. The way I moved, the physics, was completely different than it is here on Earth. It was something I had never felt before and never felt since. It was a whole different sensation of motion. I obviously wasn’t walking or skipping or crawling. I was not floating. I was flowing. I was flowing toward the light. I was accelerating and I knew I was accelerating, but then again, I didn’t really feel the acceleration. I just knew I was accelerating toward the light. Again, the physics was different – the physics of motion of time, space, travel. It was completely different in that tunnel, than it is here on Earth. I came out into the light and when I came out into the light, I realized that I was in heaven.”
    Barbara Springer – Near Death Experience – The Tunnel – video

    Life After Life – Raymond Moody – Near Death Experience – The Tunnel, The Light, The Life Review – video

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    bornagain77 says:

    Vicky Noratuk’s, who is physically blind, testimony is interesting to look at because her testimony also includes testimony of her being ‘a body of energy, or of light’:

    “I was in a body, and the only way that I can describe it was a body of energy, or of light. And this body had a form. It had a head, it had arms and it had legs. And it was like it was made out of light. And it was everything that was me. All of my memories, my consciousness, everything.”,,, “And then this vehicle formed itself around me. Vehicle is the only thing, or tube, or something, but it was a mode of transportation that’s for sure! And it formed around me. And there was no one in it with me. I was in it alone. But I knew there were other people ahead of me and behind me. What they were doing I don’t know, but there were people ahead of me and people behind me, but I was alone in my particular conveyance. And I could see out of it. And it went at a tremendously, horrifically, rapid rate of speed. But it wasn’t unpleasant. It was beautiful in fact. I was reclining in this thing, I wasn’t sitting straight up, but I wasn’t lying down either. I was sitting back. And it was just so fast. I can’t even begin to tell you where it went or whatever it was just fast!” –
    Vicki’s NDE – Blind since birth –

    But do we have scientific evidence that humans can be ”a body of energy, or of light’ as Vicki said she was?
    The answer to that question is, surprisingly, yes! Yes, we do now have scientific evidence that humans can be ‘beings of light’:

    Are humans really beings of light?
    Excerpt: “We now know, today, that man is essentially a being of light.”,,, “There are about 100,000 chemical reactions happening in every cell each second. The chemical reaction can only happen if the molecule which is reacting is excited by a photon… Once the photon has excited a reaction it returns to the field and is available for more reactions… We are swimming in an ocean of light.”

    The Real Bioinformatics Revolution – Proteins and Nucleic Acids ‘Singing’ to One Another?
    Excerpt: the molecules send out specific frequencies of electromagnetic waves which not only enable them to ‘see’ and ‘hear’ each other, as both photon and phonon modes exist for electromagnetic waves, but also to influence each other at a distance and become ineluctably drawn to each other if vibrating out of phase (in a complementary way).,,, More than 1 000 proteins from over 30 functional groups have been analysed. Remarkably, the results showed that proteins with the same biological function share a single frequency peak while there is no significant peak in common for proteins with different functions; furthermore the characteristic peak frequency differs for different biological functions. ,,, The same results were obtained when regulatory DNA sequences were analysed.

    You can see an actual picture of humans emitting the weak ‘biophotonic’ light here:

    Strange! Humans Glow in Visible Light – Charles Q. Choi – July 22, 2009
    Schematic illustration of experimental setup that found the human body, especially the face, emits visible light in small quantities that vary during the day. B is one of the test subjects. The other images show the weak emissions of visible light during totally dark conditions. The chart corresponds to the images and shows how the emissions varied during the day. The last image (I) is an infrared image of the subject showing heat emissions.

    Moreover, this light coming from the human body is found to a emitted by a quantum process, it is not emitted by a classical process:

    Photocount distribution of photons emitted from three sites of a human body – 2006
    Excerpt: Signals from three representative sites of low, intermediate and high intensities are selected for further analysis. Fluctuations in these signals are measured by the probabilities of detecting different numbers of photons in a bin. The probabilities have non-classical features and are well described by the signal in a quantum squeezed state of photons. Measurements with bins of three sizes yield same values of three parameters of the squeezed state.

    Thus Vicky Noratuk’s testimony that she was ”a body of energy, or of light’ during her NDE finds empirical support from our present scientific evidence for biophotonics in our material bodies and is thus therefore plausible.
    Moreover, besides the finding of massive biophotonic communication within, and emission from, our material bodies, it is now found that transcendent, and ‘conserved’, (cannot be created or destroyed), ‘non-local’, (beyond space-time matter-energy), quantum entanglement/information, which is not reducible to matter-energy space-time, is now found in our material bodies on a massive scale (in every DNA and protein molecule).

    Quantum entanglement holds together life’s blueprint – 2010
    Excerpt: When the researchers analysed the DNA without its helical structure, they found that the electron clouds were not entangled. But when they incorporated DNA’s helical structure into the model, they saw that the electron clouds of each base pair became entangled with those of its neighbours. “If you didn’t have entanglement, then DNA would have a simple flat structure, and you would never get the twist that seems to be important to the functioning of DNA,” says team member Vlatko Vedral of the University of Oxford.

    Quantum Information/Entanglement In DNA – short video

    Classical and Quantum Information Channels in Protein Chain – Dj. Koruga, A. Tomi?, Z. Ratkaj, L. Matija – 2006
    Abstract: Investigation of the properties of peptide plane in protein chain from both classical and quantum approach is presented. We calculated interatomic force constants for peptide plane and hydrogen bonds between peptide planes in protein chain. On the basis of force constants, displacements of each atom in peptide plane, and time of action we found that the value of the peptide plane action is close to the Planck constant. This indicates that peptide plane from the energy viewpoint possesses synergetic classical/quantum properties. Consideration of peptide planes in protein chain from information viewpoint also shows that protein chain possesses classical and quantum properties. So, it appears that protein chain behaves as a triple dual system: (1) structural – amino acids and peptide planes, (2) energy – classical and quantum state, and (3) information – classical and quantum coding. Based on experimental facts of protein chain, we proposed from the structure-energy-information viewpoint its synergetic code system.

    Coherent Intrachain energy migration at room temperature – Elisabetta Collini and Gregory Scholes – University of Toronto – Science, 323, (2009), pp. 369-73
    Excerpt: The authors conducted an experiment to observe quantum coherence dynamics in relation to energy transfer. The experiment, conducted at room temperature, examined chain conformations, such as those found in the proteins of living cells. Neighbouring molecules along the backbone of a protein chain were seen to have coherent energy transfer. Where this happens quantum decoherence (the underlying tendency to loss of coherence due to interaction with the environment) is able to be resisted, and the evolution of the system remains entangled as a single quantum state.

    Physicists Discover Quantum Law of Protein Folding – February 22, 2011
    Quantum mechanics finally explains why protein folding depends on temperature in such a strange way.
    Excerpt: First, a little background on protein folding. Proteins are long chains of amino acids that become biologically active only when they fold into specific, highly complex shapes. The puzzle is how proteins do this so quickly when they have so many possible configurations to choose from.
    To put this in perspective, a relatively small protein of only 100 amino acids can take some 10^100 different configurations. If it tried these shapes at the rate of 100 billion a second, it would take longer than the age of the universe to find the correct one. Just how these molecules do the job in nanoseconds, nobody knows.,,,
    Their astonishing result is that this quantum transition model fits the folding curves of 15 different proteins and even explains the difference in folding and unfolding rates of the same proteins.
    That’s a significant breakthrough. Luo and Lo’s equations amount to the first universal laws of protein folding. That’s the equivalent in biology to something like the thermodynamic laws in physics.
    per technology review

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    bornagain77 says:

    Here is evidence of quantum entanglement/information in the brain:

    ,,, zero time lag neuronal synchrony despite long conduction delays – 2008
    Excerpt: Multielectrode recordings have revealed zero time lag synchronization among remote cerebral cortical areas. However, the axonal conduction delays among such distant regions can amount to several tens of milliseconds. It is still unclear which mechanism is giving rise to isochronous discharge of widely distributed neurons, despite such latencies,,,
    Remarkably, synchrony of neuronal activity is not limited to short-range interactions within a cortical patch. Interareal synchronization across cortical regions including interhemispheric areas has been observed in several tasks (7, 9, 11–14).,,,
    Beyond its functional relevance, the zero time lag synchrony among such distant neuronal ensembles must be established by mechanisms that are able to compensate for the delays involved in the neuronal communication.
    Latencies in conducting nerve impulses down axonal processes can amount to delays of several tens of milliseconds between the generation of a spike in a presynaptic cell and the elicitation of a postsynaptic potential (16). The question is how, despite such temporal delays, the reciprocal interactions between two brain regions can lead to the associated neural populations to fire in unison (i.e. zero time lag).,,,

    And here is the evidence that quantum information is in fact ‘conserved’ (i.e. cannot be created or destroyed);,,,

    Quantum no-hiding theorem experimentally confirmed for first time
    Excerpt: In the classical world, information can be copied and deleted at will. In the quantum world, however, the conservation of quantum information means that information cannot be created nor destroyed. This concept stems from two fundamental theorems of quantum mechanics: the no-cloning theorem and the no-deleting theorem. A third and related theorem, called the no-hiding theorem, addresses information loss in the quantum world. According to the no-hiding theorem, if information is missing from one system (which may happen when the system interacts with the environment), then the information is simply residing somewhere else in the Universe; in other words, the missing information cannot be hidden in the correlations between a system and its environment.

    Quantum no-deleting theorem
    Excerpt: A stronger version of the no-cloning theorem and the no-deleting theorem provide permanence to quantum information. To create a copy one must import the information from some part of the universe and to delete a state one needs to export it to another part of the universe where it will continue to exist.

    Besides providing direct empirical falsification of neo-Darwinian claims as to the generation of information solely from a material basis, the implication of finding ‘non-local’, beyond space and time, and ‘conserved’ quantum information in molecular biology, on such a massive scale, is fairly, and pleasantly, obvious:

    Quantum Entangled Consciousness – Life After Death – Stuart Hameroff – video

    Does Quantum Biology Support A Quantum Soul? – Stuart Hameroff – video (notes in description)

    Verse and Music:

    John 3:12
    I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?

    There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
    Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
    Hamlet Act 1, scene 5, 159–167

    Third Day – Tunnel

    Of supplemental note:
    Regardless of how much energy we pour into a particle of matter, even all the energy of all the stars in the universe, we still would never ‘push’ a single particle of matter to the higher dimension of the speed of light:

    Question: If a particle with rest-mass were to, in theory, travel at the speed of light, would its mass actually be infinite, or just very, very, very, large, just like it would supposedly take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate the particle to the speed of light in the first place? How can you calculate this?
    Answer 4: A particle with non-zero rest-mass cannot be accelerated to the speed of light. Put in other terms, the energy of a moving particle with rest-mass m equals E=(r-1)mc2, where the factor r=1/sqrt(1-(v/c)2), with v the speed of the particle and c the speed of light. You can use this formula in an Excel sheet to try different values of rest-mass m and speed v. This equation tells you that you need an infinite amount of energy to accelerate a particle to (exactly) the speed of light, however, you can always take it to, say 99.99999% the speed of light with a finite (but huge) amount of energy.

    “By special relativity, the energy needed to accelerate a particle (with mass) grow super-quadratically when the speed is close to c, and is infinite when it is c.
    Since you can’t supply infinite energy to the particle, it is not possible to get (a particle with mass) to 100% c.”

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    bornagain77 says:

    OT: Antoine Suarez’s new video is up. Have Krauss and Hawking misidentified what they are referring to as “nothing?”

    Nothing: God’s new Name – Antoine Suarez – video

    As well, Dr. Paul Giem has a new lecture up from the book ‘Biological Information’

    Biological Information – Loss-of-Function Mutations 3-28-2015 by Paul Giem – video playlist

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    Bob O'H says:

    Hey, not much religion news today, as the new atheists must be on vacay or something.

    Those poor new atheists. Now they have to do almost everyone else’s work by actually doing something religious and newsworthy. Can’t the pope or Archbishop of Canterbury stand in for them for day or two?

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    daveS says:


    Here’s a thread on Hacker News about the Wiseman paper.

    One poster says:

    “Howard Wiseman and his team demonstrated that this wave function collapse is a real effect.”

    No, they didn’t. An alternate (and simpler) explanation being that the experimenter and the particle are entangled.

    I can’t judge the accuracy of this, just some food for thought.

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    bornagain77 says:

    and another poster says:

    As I said before, I rest my case, I have better things to do than watch you endlessly chase your tail in a circle trying to find a place to hide your atheistic beliefs.

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    daveS says:


    and another poster says:

    Nice! 🙂

    As I said before, I rest my case, I have better things to do than watch you endlessly chase your tail in a circle trying to find a place to hide your atheistic beliefs.

    For record, MWI has exactly zero to do with my atheistic beliefs. I can’t say I understand it well enough to even take a position on it, let alone use it to draw any conclusions about the existence of god(s).

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    ppolish says:

    Parallel Universe quest back on track.,,,

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