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But I really DO think that Christian Darwinism is an oxymoron

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Something I wrote recently seems to have sparked quite the little discussion. (Dang! Everybody talks to Barry, nobody talks to me … 🙂 )

Briefly, I noted that a friend’s post had been removed from a Christian Darwinist site because the moderator felt that he had intimated that Theodosius Dobzhansky was not a Christian. (He was not a Christian by any reasonable standard.)

How can one tell if a person is a Christian, many wanted to know. Isn’t that just making a judgement (judge not, lest ye be …)?

Barry Arrington made the excellent point that asking the person to affirm the Creed may be setting the bar a little high.

Fair enough: When I have used the Creed that way, I aimed to sort out situations where the person darn well knows what the Creed says and how it may differ from his private convictions. And I had good reasons for asking; otherwise, I wouldn’t bother. I have neither time nor inclination for hunting down heresies. (And none of this is written with prejudice to any other religion. It’s just that salesdarwinists currently target confused Christians more than other confused folk. So, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and others, please pardon us Christians as we set the record straight.)

We must say something when someone like Dobzhansky is fronted as a “Christian” to advance the Darwinist cause. I don’t object in principle to other rational criteria for assessing whether someone is a Christian, ones such as Barry offered. The main thing to see here is that a person cannot in good faith believe two doctrines that oppose each other at the most basic level.

Darwinism opposes Christianity in a much more serious way than is generally recognized: The Darwinist must – and usually does – believe that Christianity accidentally evolved amid the noise of neurons and it spread via natural selection.

Thus it was that man created God.

Now, if the Darwinist also believes that Christianity was the result of God’s admittedly spectacular self-revelations (cf the Creed**), then he believes that God created man. Which is it?

More to the point, if the Darwinist also believes that God can do all that the Creed commands* good Christians to believe, he cannot rationally go on to insist that

🙂 man is a part of nature, and Darwin proved it

🙂 God never intervenes in nature, but does it all by Darwinism

So man created God, but no, God created man. Or God created man with the capacity of accidentally evolve an idea of God as an illusion. Why? Because he couldn’t reveal himself?

So yes, I do think Christian Darwinism is an oxymoron, if the Christian Darwinist is unconfused enough to know what he is saying.

It is hardly irrelevant to this discussion that 78% of evolutionary biologists are “pure naturalists” (no God and no free will).

* You cannot become an adult Catholic, so far as I know, without assenting intellectually to the Creed.

**For those for whom the Creed may be a bit challenging, due to age, haste, extreme suffering, emergency, etc., there is also a more basic prayer, the Act of Faith :

O MY GOD, I firmly believe that Thou art one God in three divine persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit; I believe that Thy divine Son became man and died for our sins, and that He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe these and all the truths which the holy Catholic Church teaches, because Thou hast revealed them, Who canst neither deceive nor be deceived. Amen.

. Now that is either branch of Christianity or Darwin’s neural noise.

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IF neo-darwinian evolution means that God didn't do it, and it does, THEN theistic evolutionists are in effect saying that God did it by not doing it. Either that or they are NOT talking about the same evolution that everyone else is. They are incoherent, at best. Since it's Christmas and I'm trying to be "nicer" I won't comment on the other end of the intellectual spectrum they may occupy. :-)tgpeeler
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My meagre understanding of the Christian Darwinist is that he believes a) that life appeared entirely via the mechanism of evolution without any gaps requiring divine assistance, and b) evolution appears to be random from a scientific point of view, but, since God is sovereign, what appears random to us is actually the unfolding a process established by God at work. So, he's comfy with the darwinist who insists on random evolution, but does not equate randomness with directionlessness.RkBall
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StephenB, you are definitely invited to the next birthday party I am willing to admit to, and I will see you get a corner slice. Seriously, much thanks for support in a place where I too often hear, "You just don't understand." Actually, what I don't understand cannot be understood while one remains faithful to the principle of logical non-contradiction. In fairness to the Christian Darwinists (CDs): - I think they face the declining influence of Judaism and Christianity in Western culture, and they believe that the solution is to remove obvious points of clash. - Because the atheist materialists will not budge, their solution is to persuade Christians to accept their creation story instead of ours. - They are convinced that they are helping Christians by doing this. I've now met a number of Christians who lost their jobs because they wouldn't toe the Darwin line, not due to any competing ideology but to insufficient evidence. Not one would have been willing to accept the "Christian Darwinist" solution, I am glad to say, because it did not and cannot meet their intellectual standards. So then who gets the job? In many cases, in my experience, it is people who support Darwinism as a faith and are not interested in the true state of the evidence.O'Leary
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See Can an Evangelical Christian Accept Evolution? Human Genomics: Vestiges of Eden or Skeletons in the Closet?Harfen
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Denyse, the only reason that I don't interact with you more frequently on this subject is because I don't want to bore you by saying "Amen" too often. Frankly, I look forward to your commentaries on "theistic evolution" because I know that you will always find new and creative ways to expose its many ironies. As an example, you write: "So man created God, but no, God created man. Or God created man with the capacity of accidentally evolve an idea of God as an illusion. Why? Because he couldn’t reveal himself?" Very nice. For my part, Christian Darwinism is both oxymoronic and schizophrenic, I do wonder what it must be like for these people. How do they manage to reconcile two contradictory world views into one rhetorical mishmash and hold it into place year after year without actually going insane? What motivates them? Do they fear the establishment so much that they are willing to sell their intellectual soul for a few "attaboys?" Or, dare we suggest that perhaps their education is lacking on matters related to the unity of truth?StephenB
December 11, 2010
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Christian Darwinists (who are all theistic evolutionists) are a real funny bunch, particularly the BioLogos guys. They certainly cannot embrace every aspect of evolutionist faith: it is, after all, the creation myth of atheism. However, if there was truly overwhelming evidence that life on Earth evolved then I would become a theistic evolutionist myself. What I want to know about theistic evolutionists is why do they seem to concentrate on attacking non-evolutionists rather than attacking non-theists? These people happily get into bed with the likes of Dawkins. But really, if they believe in God - particularly the Christian God - then the battlelines are clear: Christians v Non-Christians. In short, what do they hope to gain by allying themselves with the enemies of Christianity while shunning their fellow Christians?Chris Doyle
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