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Genome mapper Francis Collins, picked to head NIH, touted as evangelical. Is that fair to either side?

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Collins, well known as the genome mapper who sat with President Clinton and others on the White House lawn in 2000, is the new head of National Institutes of Health.

As others have noted, he may be as well known for his recent book, The Language of God, part personal testimony and part explanation of how there need be no conflict between faith and science.

Some are skeptical. David Klinghoffer writes,

Do you ever notice how religious believers are always cited by the media as “devout” precisely when they are equivocating on basic Judeo-Christian moral and theological tenets? Dr. Francis Collins has some startling ideas on abortion. Startling, that is, from an Evangelical Christian who is Obama’s choice to head up the National Institutes of Health. He’s a favorite church speaker with Evangelical audiences, especially on how Darwinism poses no threat to their faith.

Klinghoffer offers some examples of his concerns:

– From an interview here at Beliefnet:

Q: [S]ometimes when parents learn that their child has Down Syndrome, they terminate the pregnancy. What is your opinion of that sort of scenario?

A: I’m troubled that the applications of genetics that are currently possible are oftentimes in the prenatal arena. That is not the reason I went into this field.

The reason I went into this field was to figure out how to treat illnesses, rather than try to stop such individuals from even being born. But, of course, in our current society, people are in a circumstance of being able to take advantage of those technologies. And we have decided as a society that that choice needs to be defended.

– From a 1993 New York Times profile of Collins:

“It is difficult to say you can’t abort, but for overall cultural mores, you run into problems,” Dr. Collins said. “It’s the classic slippery slope. You have a gray scale going from diseases like Tay-Sachs disease that cause death in early childhood all the way to the other end of the spectrum with abortions for sex selection, which most people would say is a misuse of technology. In between is a gray zone. Where do you draw the line?”

– In a 1998 book he co-authored, Principles of Medical Genetics, he considers a bioethical situation where a genetic counselor is discussing with a (married) mother, 8 weeks pregnant, whether to abort her child because there’s a 7 to 8 percent chance the child will have a mild learning disability. Should the mother indicate an interest in aborting, Collins and his two co-authors commend to the counselor a stance of “respect for [patient] autonomy” and “nondirective counseling.” In other words, the medical professional in this context should be morally neutral.

You’ll find a link to the page in the book on Google Books here.

And there’s also the curious passage in The Language of God where he writes,

I would argue that the immediate product of a skin cell and an enucleated egg cell fall short of the moral status of the union of sperm and egg. The former is not part of God’s plan to create a human individual. The latter is very much God’s plan, carried out through the millennia by our own species and many others.

             -Collins, The Language of God, p. 256 (hardcover).

Most traditional Christians would not relate to a view of God’s providence where humans can simply exempt other humans from God’s providence by their own wilful actions. This is not the God of the ethical monotheist faiths; it must be some lesser one.

Evangelical leaders should raise questions about these matters at the confirmation hearings. Collins is entitled to advocate his causes. His advocacy doubtless helped put him where he is. But if he really represents evangelicals – as is claimed – now is the time for evangelical leaders to say so. Or to say otherwise.

He  operates a Web site called Biologos, to show that there is no conflict between Christianity and Darwinism. That would sure be news to Darwin, as Michael Flannery has taken pains to point out, and to most evolutionary biologists, though I guess it goes down well enough at turkey dinners.

BioLogos is largely unfinished, but one thing that stands out clearly for me – and this is characteristic of so many theistic evolutionist works – Darwin is the pivot around which our understanding revolves. One must develop a faith that embraces Darwin, whatever else may need to change. That’s not my idea of orthodoxy. If the church had done that with every can kicked up the street over the last couple of thousand years, it would be unrecognizable today, like some creature out of H.P. Lovcraft, who was, by all accounts, a staunch Darwinian.

Incidentally, Collins, who was strongly – though not deeply – influenced by CS Lewis, likes to cite him as a source. Lewis actually blew off Darwinian evolution in later years. For example, this from a letter he wrote in 1951:

September 13, 1951: I have read nearly the whole of Evolution [probably Acworth’s unpublished “The Lie of Evolution”] and am glad you sent it. I must confess it has shaken me: not in my belief in evolution, which was of the vaguest and most intermittent kind, but in my belief that the question was wholly unimportant. I wish I were younger. What inclines me now to think that you may be right in regarding it as the central and radical lie in the whole web of falsehood that now governs our lives is not so much your arguments against it as the fanatical and twisted attitudes of its defenders.

If Lewis came to think Darwinian evolution (for that is what is meant here) “the central and radical lie”, I wonder how good a reference he can be for Collins’s projects.

Better get the spin doctors in over the weekend.

Comments
David Kellogg, ------"Maybe I missed the abortion line in the Nicene creed." Maybe you missed the common sense part of your reasoning. The Nicene Creed doesn't say a lot of things, would that then make everything that it leaves out perfectly okay? Or maybe, as seems more likely, this is another snarky non-comment comment.Clive Hayden
July 12, 2009
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David Kellogg, ------"This kind of manufactured concern is unhelpful." For what? You always have some undefined program as to what isn't being helped that you never specify when you claim things are "unhelpful", and that is extremely unhelpful.Clive Hayden
July 12, 2009
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sparc, ------"Just out of curiosity, Ms. O’Leary: According to your CV you are a Canadian Catholic. However, if one would only know your posts in which you don’t mention these facts one would assume that you are a US based protestant. So, how do your views fit with the official position of the Catholic Church? Or are your opinions closer to minoroty beliefs like Opus Dei or the Pius Brotherhood?" Just out of curiosity, are you an After The Bar Closes Atheist? How do your views fit with the official position of the Panda's Thumb?Clive Hayden
July 11, 2009
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Just out of curiosity, Ms. O'Leary: According to your CV you are a Canadian Catholic. However, if one would only know your posts in which you don't mention these facts one would assume that you are a US based protestant. So, how do your views fit with the official position of the Catholic Church? Or are your opinions closer to minoroty beliefs like Opus Dei or the Pius Brotherhood?sparc
July 11, 2009
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lamarck and mad doc, Thanks for the info! I would also like to see Dr Sanford post here.herb
July 11, 2009
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Nevermind David I don't want to get into this.lamarck
July 11, 2009
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10 Herb Sanford makes it quite clear in his book that it is impossible to stop the genome deteriorating even with genetic engineering. The mutations are occuring at least at the rate of 300 per generation; the great majority are silent or "neutral" but their effects add up. Genetic engineering in his view is futile.mad doc
July 11, 2009
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Herb I won't pretend to have Sanford's expertise, I wish he'd come on this board and talk I'm sure he knows about it. But from my viewpoint, Sanford is looking at one side of the equation; in his book at least. He's saying the genome is falling apart, so therefore we are doomed to extinction. However the question is, then how did it build up to this complexity? The answer to this might mean we're on a genetic program inputed by aliens or god or whatever. This is my viewpoint because I see no alternative. And seeing how man has been gifted so much superiority on this planet, maybe there's another plan for us which isn't extinction. Also I think by that time (didn't he give it 1000 generation? Can't remember), we could turn ourselves into robots if we needed to. I think I know why Sanford presented one side to this, but I won't motive monger out of respect for him. And, who knows his underlying bias could be right!lamarck
July 11, 2009
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David are you saying Pianca never said this and it was all a conspiracy or what exactly? Was it out of context? How? Your link seems to indicate crow eating after Pianca got death threats, and some sort of weak equivocation from him, but he's basically saying we need a 90% population reduction with vague "overpopulation" rhetoric. Do I have it wrong? Also could you be more specific about infowars? Like find an example of the zaniness over at that site and I'll help correct you, if you want. So you know, that site references everything, it needs to be airtight, and the webmaster knows this. Unless you just want to stick with calling it truly lunatic.lamarck
July 11, 2009
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herb, when I read the two statements, Mike Gene's is clearly the more careful and considered. The response to his statement is basically hyperbole and name-calling.David Kellogg
July 11, 2009
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David Kellogg,
herb, those links aren’t “objective” — not by a long shot. As far as I know, the entire charge is based on one person’s account and has not been corroborated.
Well, I have to concede there is some controversy over this matter. I'm not sure whether to believe the view expressed here or the one over at TT. In any case, my main point was the question about Sanford's genetic entropy theory.herb
July 11, 2009
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herb, a point of clarification: I put "objective" in quotes both because I'm quoting you and I because I don't believe in "objectivity" as such. Anyway, I think the links you provided are woefully one-sided.David Kellogg
July 11, 2009
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herb, those links aren't "objective" -- not by a long shot. As far as I know, the entire charge is based on one person's account and has not been corroborated.David Kellogg
July 11, 2009
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David, It's not a central part of Christian doctrine. It's an important part though. Thus its inclusion in the Didache (aka Teachings of the Twelve Apostles), which definitely predates the Nicene creed, and possibly predates some of the New Testament. So if it was an issue important enough to be included in what is essentially a doctrinal document (not to mention a number of other documents), I can't see how it can be so easily cast off as a "non-story". Even aside from any historical documents or understandings though, one must consider the Biblical text itself, which obviously is central to Christianity. How one could get anything but a pro-life view from the text is beyond me. In fact, I would say it is more pro-life than most of Christianity today, leaning heavily in a pacifistic direction altogether. i.e., I think Jesus and his apostles (post-pentecost at least) were more pro-life than most Christians now. If being peaceable and having a concern for the sanctity of life was important to them, it should be important now. Anyway, regardless of that issue, Collins definitely is seen as representative in some ways of Christianity in our society. Perhaps he's not some sort of official representative, but he still is a public figure who does represent Christians in public forums. That's not something to take lightly, official or not. So of course Christians should consider his beliefs, particularly ones he is willing to make public, important.Leslie
July 11, 2009
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If Francis Collins wants to be a liberal evangelical, fine. Perhaps he should take a cue from Ron Sider - "Completely Pro-Life." It seems being an evangelical means not really standing for much anymore. Perhaps we conservative evangelicals need a new label.CannuckianYankee
July 11, 2009
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David Kellogg,
herb, if you believe that Pianka really advocated such a thing you need to do some more readng. lamarck’s links to infowars (a 9/11 denial site bursting with conspiracy theories) are truly lunatic.
I don't necessarily endorse everything on the infowars site, but I think their account of the Pianka incident is fairly close to the mainstream. If you'd like a more objective take on the story, please see these sources.herb
July 11, 2009
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Better get the spin doctors in over the weekend.
Why? To respond to the spin-doctoring of this post? This kind of manufactured concern is unhelpful.David Kellogg
July 11, 2009
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Who claims Collins "represents evangelicals"? And when did abortion become a central part of Christian doctrine? Maybe I missed the abortion line in the Nicene creed. Or maybe, as seems more likely, this is another non-story story.David Kellogg
July 11, 2009
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O'Leary, "I want to hear whether evangelical leaders think that his views on human life qualify him to be the evangelical icon (as the “wise Latina” Sotomayor is a Latino icon) that he is currently touted to be." I really don't think Collins is a great icon for Christianity, at least not in any orthodox sense (perhaps to more liberal versions). I recall listening to a lecture of his with the Veritas Forum, and I understood him to say that he doesn't even normally attend church. That's his prerogative of course, but I tend to think that if you want to be an icon for Christianity, you need to really be a part of it - living it out in an active, meaningful way, not just touting it in some philosophical sense. Isn't "evangelical" an active notion? I'm not sure you can be a passive evangelical. Seems a bit of an oxymoron to me. But especially if he's in support of the pro-choice position, which I don't really know either way, that seems especially contrary to Christian doctrine and would further injure his position as an evangelical icon. If the didache is of any consideration, abortion was certainly spoken against in the early church, so it's not like this is some new position. Even Josephus wrote against it. And obviously I would argue you can't follow Jesus' teachings (save some excessive liberal position) and fail to explicitly reject abortion. I can respect Collins though - I would rather him be where he is at than on the other side of things I suppose. But I don't think he's doing as much good as perhaps he or others may think he is doing.Leslie
July 11, 2009
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lamarck, Those articles you linked to are fascinating, and quite chilling. From the second one:
Last year, Dr. Eric R. Pianka gave a speech to the Texas Academy of Science in which he advocated the need to exterminate 90% of the population through the airborne ebola virus. The vast majority of those in attendance stood and applauded Pianka's open call for mass genocide.
which presumably would be one component of an evolutionist eugenics scheme. A troubling thought just occurred to me, however. Sanford's notion of "genetic entropy" has been mentioned in some recent threads. If the human genome is indeed deteriorating, has Sanford unwittingly provided the eugenecists with a rationale for their program? I'm not saying Sanford is doing anything wrong of course, but I'm concerned about the consequences should others be influenced by his theories.herb
July 11, 2009
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JTaylor, sorry, that won't work in this case. Had Collins hept his religious opinions to himself, that would be one thing. But he didn't. He published a well-known book and started a Web site to defend them (BioLogos), so got pegged by the media as "the Evangelical." He was even criticized as a pick by Jerry Coyne on that very basis. So fine. I want to know, do evangelicals agree that he's their token rep, in a political world where, like it or not, being a token rep matters?O'Leary
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http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/eugenics_blacks_are_stupid_comments_betray_dark_mindset.htm those are the same two links I meant to add this one.lamarck
July 11, 2009
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These articles give an overview of how the genome project ties in with the Rothschild and Rockafeller Eugenics program. http://www.infowars.com/the-population-reduction-agenda-for-dummies/ http://www.infowars.com/the-population-reduction-agenda-for-dummies/lamarck
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O'Leary: "Evangelical leaders should raise questions about these matters at the confirmation hearings. Collins is entitled to advocate his causes. His advocacy doubtless helped put him where he is. But if he really represents evangelicals - as is claimed - now is the time for evangelical leaders to say so. Or to say otherwise." Why? Shouldn't the hearings focus on Collins's professional qualifications and resume? Yes, there may be ethical matters to consider, but why will it be even necessary to have evangelical leaders present? I don't think they have a vote do they? Isn't whether or not he is "representing" evangelicals peripheral to the post he is about to be appointed to?JTaylor
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To all above: The jury's out on whether Collins - or anyone - advances the cause of Christ. I want to hear whether evangelical leaders think that his views on human life qualify him to be the evangelical icon (as the "wise Latina" Sotomayor is a Latino icon) that he is currently touted to be. If they say yes, fine. Otherwise, we have a fark on our hands.O'Leary
July 11, 2009
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C.S. Lewis liked to write about that kind of thing. Science stoppers I mean. Something about spreading sins into space, Henry F. Schaefer wrote about it in his book Science and Christianity: Conflict or Coherence? I think democracy may well be a science stopper since no one reads Robert Greene/strategy and can usually not think in those terms of grand scheme. On the other hand, religion can also protect peoples' doubts and help science along.PhilosophyFan
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Ms O'Leary I am usually astounded by the clarity and efficacy of your posts, but I question in this instance whether you are being fair to Dr Collins. Rather than concluding this I am first inquiring how thoroughly you have researched the faith of Dr Collins. In many Christian media outlets (say, here) I am seeing Dr Collins discussed as "self-identifying evangelical". I offer the gentle suggestion that we should not question the faith of others when there is very little evidence to sway a neutral 3rd party. To any casual observer Dr Collins would certainly seem to bridge the gap between faith and science and it does this important connection a serious injustice by insinuating somehow that there are 1) two sides (truth is the only side that exists) and 2) that somehow Dr Collins is being used unwittingly to advance a materialist agenda, when in fact he is advancing the cause of Christ. a gentle plea for you to consider that ideas have consequences and propagating this fallacy does no one any good.nicholas.steno
July 11, 2009
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Collins sees the gray areas; he doesn't just see things in black and white. That's a good thing. His vision of god is different from yours, Ms. O'Leary, and from many fundamentalist evangelicals in the US. Who is to say his vision is wrong and yours is right?Anthony09
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Denyse,
If Lewis came to think Darwinian evolution (for that is what is meant here) “the central and radical lie”, I wonder how good a reference he can be for Collins’s projects.
Heh, not so good, obviously. OTOH, given that Lewis, despite his powerful intellect, wasn't fully aware of the lies in Darwinism until his 50's, I have a fair amount of sympathy for Collins. Let's just hope the depth (and not merely the strength) of Lewis' influence on Collins increases.herb
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