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Hello, World: Toronto’s evolution stalwart and textbook writer Larry Moran is NOT a Darwinist

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Here, University of Toronto’s Larry Moran, blogger at Sandwalk (named after Darwin’s garden path) and famed (okay, okay, reputable) textbook author, commented at UncommonDescent on this story about Jonathan Wells’ new book on the junk DNA myth, complaining,

Denyse, you’ve promised in the past to stop using the term “Darwinism” to refer to all of evolution. What happened to that promise?In evolutionary biology, “Darwinism” refers to those who focus on adaptation as the almost exclusive mechanism of change. They are also called adapationists.

Moran calls himself a pluralist.

For the record, he said,

I’m a pluralist who promotes the importance of random genetic drift and accidental evolution. That’s perfectly consistent with junk DNA. I am not a Darwinist.

Yes, as Moran says, Darwinism means that natural selection, acting on random mutation, explains all (or most) of evolution. It is the ultimate free lunch. But I have found, by observation, strengthened by reading Suzan Mazur’s The Altenberg 16: An Expose of the Evolution Industry, that most of the science press thinks that all evolution really is Darwinism, to judge by the innumerable quoted explanations of research findings in strictly Darwinian terms. Some of it is plausible; others range from the ridiculous to the ridiculous . Some is merely “Come, let us worship the Beard.”

If Dr. Moran knows something the science writers don’t, I wish he would tell them, so they can start taking out the trash.

The trouble is that, nowadays, anyone  can be a Darwinist. You need to know something to be anything else.

Now, I have lots of respect for pluralism, but must in fairness note that the critical information is: Which approaches to evolution does the pluralist plan to tolerate?

Is it possible that, in the recesses of his study in the dark of the dawn, our Larry is working on a new theory of evolution that dismisses Darwinism?

Hey, I bet that’s it! Or anyway, I hope so.

I want an advance review copy.

I recommend the interesting exchanges between Moran and others in the combox, noting only that many of Darwin’s true believers, including genome mapper Francis Collins, did market junk DNA as support for their theories in the recent past. They must be allowed to withdraw from the business, if they choose – but not to efface all knowledge that they were ever in it.

If Dr. Moran ends up needing a can of Trolls Begone!, I could spare him one. So could a lot of people here.

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I think we shouldn't make deals with those who call others derogatory names (and then expect others to fawn at their scientific accomplishments). Let's let the facts reflect truth here, rather than who can negotiate a cease-fire on name-calling. The truth Mr. Moran, is not up for negotiatoin. The truth is that not all ID proponents are Christians or creationists, while one of the world's leading proponents of Darwinism (Richard Dawkins), has historically referred to himself as a Darwinist. From Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwinism#Other_uses "In the United Kingdom the term retains its positive sense as a reference to natural selection, and for example Richard Dawkins wrote in his collection of essays A Devil's Chaplain, published in 2003, that as a scientist he is a Darwinist" Mr. Moran, what is your explanation for this?Bantay
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Collin says,
I think it is not unfair to put you in the broad term “darwinist.” But I will consider not calling you a darwinist if you agree to not call ID-ers creationists or IDiots.
Starting right now, if you agree to stop referring to all evolutionary biologists as "Darwinists" I will agree not to call you a creationist (even though you probably are one). Deal?Larry Moran
March 22, 2011
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Larry Moran at 16 (and anyone interested), the offensive post has been removed. I am not the troll monitor, but I spotted it, and will ask the monitor to put the poster in moderation.O'Leary
March 22, 2011
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Matteo says,
I’m sorry, but what a d****bag.
I'm not sure what a d****bag is. Is it worse than being called a Darwinist or a creationist?Larry Moran
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Larry Moran at 11: You wrote: “Despise is not a word that I used." Fair enough, you said "I have no intention of hiding my disgust at most Intelligent Design Creationists", so trying to rework that into a simpler sentence, I assumed that you meant you despise them. You also wrote, "I have much more respect for Michael Behe and Michael Denton than many of my colleagues." For clarification, do you mean "than many of my colleagues do" or "than I have for many of my colleagues"? I think you must mean the former. Why, in particular, do you respect Michael Behe? Michael Denton interests me in this context, because I doubt he thinks he's an ID guy. Why do you respect him?O'Leary
March 22, 2011
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You say you are not a Darwinist, yet Darwin clear has had a gigantic influence on your view of evolution. I think it is not unfair to put you in the broad term "darwinist." But I will consider not calling you a darwinist if you agree to not call ID-ers creationists or IDiots. By the way, what is wrong with the word Darwinist? Do you dislike it because some IDiots use it perjoratively? Why do you care what IDiots think?Collin
March 22, 2011
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Dr. Moran, Just answer the question. I'm asking that because if you do believe in those things, then you are clearly a Darwinist.Collin
March 22, 2011
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Collin asks,
So do you not believe that natural selection, variation and common descent combine to have a major impact on evolution?
What's the point of asking a question like that? Are you trying to make your side look like IDiots?Larry Moran
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Would Dr. Moran like to say: Which “Intelligent Design Creationists” does he not despise?
"Despise is not a word that I used. I have much more respect for Michael Behe and Michael Denton than many of my colleagues. I also admire Phillip Johnson because he's so honest about his beliefs and why they should change the way we do science. I don't have any respect for hypocrites, liars, and people who don't take the time to learn about the subject they're attacking. Stupidity doesn't impress me much, either. There are plenty of other Intelligent Design Creationists who fall into those categories. Some of them are posting comments on your blog.Larry Moran
March 22, 2011
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Re Larry Moran at 9 "I have no intention of hiding my disgust at most Intelligent Design Creationists": Would Dr. Moran like to say: Which "Intelligent Design Creationists" does he not despise? I mean, among people who actually think there is something to be said for design in nature, who does he not despise?O'Leary
March 22, 2011
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Dr. Moran, So do you not believe that natural selection, variation and common descent combine to have a major impact on evolution?Collin
March 22, 2011
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QuiteID says,
I agree that he’s trying to have it both ways. He should not demand civility while being uncivil.
Just for the record, I do not demand civility. I very much enjoy the rough-and-tumble of real debates on the internet. I have no intention of hiding my disgust at most Intelligent Design Creationists and I do not demand that they cease and desist in their attacks on me and my fellow scientists. That includes everything uncivil that Denyse said in her posting above. I don't demand civility, but I do demand accuracy. When Denyse and her friends say that Darwinists promoted junk DNA I have to draw the line.Larry Moran
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Dr. Moran, as to the point you did not address yesterday of quantum entanglement being found in molecular biology; https://uncommondescent.com/books-of-interest/new-book-junk-dna-junked-in-favour-of-what/#comment-374664 particularly this; 'The effect of quantum entanglement/information in molecular biology needs to be explained by a cause that is itself not constrained by time and space, yet neo-Darwinism purports to explain all the wonder and diversity we see in life on earth by Random Variations/Mutations of material particles which are constrained by time and space.,, Thus Larry, how can the quantum entanglement effect in biology possibly be explained by a material cause when the quantum effect falsified material particles as its own causation in the first place? (A. Aspect) Appealing to the probability of various configurations of material particles simply will not help since a timeless/spaceless cause must be supplied which is beyond the material particles themselves to supply! Do you see the problem Larry? Yet Larry as foreign as the quantum entanglement finding in molecular biology is to your base materialistic philosophy, finding quantum entanglement at such a foundational level in molecular biology is actually very conducive to the Theistic postulation that man has a 'higher dimensional soul' to the makeup of his being that is not constrained by time and space and that lives beyond death. Moreover Dr. Moran, this 'soul' postulation can actually be further bore out by special relativity; It is very interesting to point out that the 'light at the end of the tunnel', reported in very many Near Death Experiences(NDEs), finds corroboration in Special Relativity when considering the optical effects for traveling at the speed of light.... Please compare the similarity of the optical effect, noted at the 3:22 minute mark of the following video, when the 3-Dimensional world 'folds and collapses' into a tunnel shape around the direction of travel as an observer moves towards the 'higher dimension' of the speed of light, with the 'light at the end of the tunnel' reported in very many Near Death Experiences: Traveling At The Speed Of Light - Optical Effects - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5733303/ The NDE and the Tunnel - Kevin Williams' research conclusions Excerpt: I started to move toward the light. The way I moved, the physics, was completely different than it is here on Earth. It was something I had never felt before and never felt since. It was a whole different sensation of motion. I obviously wasn't walking or skipping or crawling. I was not floating. I was flowing. I was flowing toward the light. I was accelerating and I knew I was accelerating, but then again, I didn't really feel the acceleration. I just knew I was accelerating toward the light. Again, the physics was different - the physics of motion of time, space, travel. It was completely different in that tunnel, than it is here on Earth. I came out into the light and when I came out into the light, I realized that I was in heaven.(Barbara Springer Near Death Experience - The Tunnel, The Light, The Life Review - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4200200/ It is also very interesting to note that special relativity also confirms the 'eternality' of time noted in very many Near Death Experiences: "I've just developed a new theory of eternity." Albert Einstein - The Einstein Factor - Reader's Digest http://www.readersdigest.co.za/article/10170%26pageno=3 "The laws of relativity have changed timeless existence from a theological claim to a physical reality. Light, you see, is outside of time, a fact of nature proven in thousands of experiments at hundreds of universities. I don’t pretend to know how tomorrow can exist simultaneously with today and yesterday. But at the speed of light they actually and rigorously do. Time does not pass." Richard Swenson - More Than Meets The Eye, Chpt. 12 Light and Quantum Entanglement Reflect Some Characteristics Of God - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4102182 'In the 'spirit world,,, instantly, there was no sense of time. See, everything on earth is related to time. You got up this morning, you are going to go to bed tonight. Something is new, it will get old. Something is born, it's going to die. Everything on the physical plane is relative to time, but everything in the spiritual plane is relative to eternity. Instantly I was in total consciousness and awareness of eternity, and you and I as we live in this earth cannot even comprehend it, because everything that we have here is filled within the veil of the temporal life. In the spirit life that is more real than anything else and it is awesome. Eternity as a concept is awesome. There is no such thing as time. I knew that whatever happened was going to go on and on.' Mickey Robinson - Near Death Experience testimony In The Presence Of Almighty God - The NDE of Mickey Robinson - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4045544 'When you die, you enter eternity. It feels like you were always there, and you will always be there. You realize that existence on Earth is only just a brief instant.' Dr. Ken Ring - has extensively studied Near Death Experiences As well, I find it extremely interesting, and strange, that quantum mechanics tells us that instantaneous quantum wave collapse to its 'uncertain' 3-D state is centered on each individual observer in the universe, whereas, 4-D space-time cosmology (General Relativity) tells us each 3-D point in the universe is central to the expansion of the universe. These findings of modern science are pretty much exactly what we would expect to see if this universe were indeed created from a higher dimension by a omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, eternal Being who knows everything that is happening everywhere in the universe at the same time. These findings certainly seem to go to the very heart of the age old question asked of many parents by their children, “How can God hear everybody’s prayers at the same time?”,,, i.e. Why should the expansion of the universe, or the quantum wave collapse of the entire universe, even care that you or I, or anyone else, should exist? Only Theism offers a rational explanation as to why you or I, or anyone else, should have such undeserved significance in such a vast universe: http://lettherebelight-77.blogspot.com/2009/10/intelligent-design-anthropic-hypothesis_19.html Miracle Testimony - One Easter Sunday Morning http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3995314/bornagain77
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QuiteID You said "It’s beneath us to scoff at him as a scientist when he has serious accomplishments." I wasn't scoffing at him because of his scientific accomplishments, but because his derision of ID proponents (to lowly name-calling) is so beneath a standard of objective science and it reflects very poorly on him.Bantay
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Web of Science lists 42 publications by "L.A. Moran" and 156 by "L. Moran." Probably some of the latter are other L Morans, but some are surely him. It's beneath us to scoff at him as a scientist when he has serious accomplishments. Bottom line: Dr. Moran shouldn't demand civility while being uncivil -- and neither should we.QuiteID
March 21, 2011
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Bantay, to be fair, Dr. Moran is a significant scientist with a long list of accomplishments, as a search of Google Scholar or a look at his academic home page will show. I agree that he's trying to have it both ways. He should not demand civility while being uncivil. But his "scientific import" is real.QuiteID
March 21, 2011
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Sorry Larry I'm sticking with my definition of you, you are neo-Darwinist, one who believes that purely material processes generated all the stunning diversity and complexity of life around us, though having no actual evidence for the ability of material processes to generate even 'simple' life (there is no such thing as 'simple' life), much less the ability to generate even a trivial amount of the further staggering levels of information we find embedded in more complex life on earth;bornagain77
March 21, 2011
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Is Mr. Moran anybody of more scientific import than just a guy who can't seem to grow out of immature name calling? Really, why should we care what a guy who still refers to some others as "IDiots" has to say anyway? http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2011/03/intelligent-design-creationism-is-not.html And of course he will deny he's a Darwinist. He's not the first and he won't be the last. Darwinism is fast becoming an embarrassment, a very recent (and short-lived) blight that is racing into obscurity.Bantay
March 21, 2011
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I prefer the term evolutionism.bevets
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