Idiocy from Media Matters, some disgraceful US outfit, Ben Carson edition

_{Denyse O'Leary

September 28, 2015

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Ben Carson, pediatric neurosurgeon, saved children’s lives. Here is a typical Darwin follower’s’ response, demanding worship of their idol:

So imagine it’s 1970 or so, and you’re young Ben Carson, sitting in a biology class at Yale University. With your sharp mind and strong study habits, you don’t have much problem understanding the material, grasping the copious evidence underlying the theory of evolution, all the fossils going back millions of years, how it all fits together in an endless process that affects everything from a towering redwood down to a microscopic virus. And yet, the whole thing sounds like an attack on the beliefs about the universe you were taught your whole life from your family and your church. How can you resolve this contradiction?

The resolution came somewhere along the way for Carson: Satan. Evolution is Satan’s doing.

The fact that Carson believes this is a true puzzlement. Because Carson is an undeniably smart man.

A Canadian mother/grandmother (who cannot vote in the United States) responds:

I must testify, unaccustomed to the glaring lights: One of my kids was hit by a car in 1978, and I am glad to say she was tended by a pediatric neurosurgeon, and it turned out well. One of my grandkids needed neurosurgery more recently. From this last weekend, I see she is doing well.

But I want THIS on the record: I do not give a dam what a pediatric neurosurgeon believes about “evolution.”

I do not see why anyone ELSE should care either.

How DARE anyone make that an issue compared to a track record for a specific type of neurosurgery?

What has our society come to that this type of toxic waste affects our understanding?

Note: “Evolution” (= Darwinism, because that is what these vicious operatives of progressive billionaires always really mean when they say “evolution”) forced many African American women into sterilization ops, as Carson must surely know.

Added: While we are here, why does anyone care what any US Prez thinks about evolution? If it is really a science topic, shouldn’t it be like the Large Hadron Collider or Pluto’s geography? If not, what IS it?

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KF @29 Well written. Very good points. Very timely the interesting reminder about the WR movement. Thank you.Dionisio_{September 29, 2015
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Thus since Atheists deny the reality of Good and Evil altogether, and yet the argument from evil requires an objective standard of good that has been departed from in its premises, then the ‘argument from evil’ collapses in on itself: My interpretation of the "fall" is quite different: Man should not take it upon himself to judge in terms of good vs. evil in himself. "God" created man the way he should be and the privilege of judgment was not bestowed upon us. Because "they" ("Adam and Eve") decided to "eat of the tree of good and evil" , that is, to take it on their own shoulders to judge what's good or bad in themselves (seems like the creation of a moralistic way of thought; a codex of morals). The moral code already is where it should be. It is part of the process of growing up to acquire its proper integration, programming in our psyche, as pathways for behavior. All our behavior is determined by pathways of energy. If the energy is diverted from it's natural path by being forced onto aberrant pathways formed by bad experienced (like early in life being punished for exhibiton, "shameless behavior" like running naked in the living room, to the embarassment of concerned parents, resulting in punishment. The memory of punishment may fade, but the "lesson learned" stays there for the rest of his life - so when called upon to deliver a speech he stammers and stotters because "showing off" is shameful. Instead of floating freely along the path of least resistance, the energy is diverted through a "moral filter". The physical nakedness is imprinted and remains as a pendant to "spiritual nakedness". Moral judgement is a burden on our shoulders. Religions have to a great extend been used for that purpose. A population bogged down in guilt is easier to manipulate.Cabal_{September 29, 2015
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On the problem of evil, post Plantinga and Boethius: http://nicenesystheol.blogspot.com/2010/11/unit-2-gospel-on-mars-hill-foundations.html#u2_gdvsevlkairosfocus_{September 29, 2015
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Funny that Atheists don't believe that God, the Devil, or even good or evil, exist but, none-the-less, have no trouble whatsoever regularly using the argument from evil as if it is irrefutable proof against the existence of God.
It Is Unfathomable That a Loving Higher Intelligence Created the Species – Cornelius Hunter - June 2012 Excerpt: "Approximately 0.1% of humans who survive to birth carry a duplicon-related disability, meaning that several million people worldwide currently are afflicted by this particular subcategory of inborn metabolic errors. Many more afflicted individuals probably die in utero before their conditions are diagnosed. Clearly, humanity bears a substantial health burden from duplicon-mediated genomic malfunctions. This inescapable empirical truth is as understandable in the light of mechanistic genetic operations as it is unfathomable as the act of a loving higher intelligence. [112]" - Dr. John Avise - “Inside The Human Genome - A Case for Non-Intelligent Design" http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2012/06/awesome-power-behind-evolution-it-is.html
Dr. Hunter adds
"There you have it. Evil exists and a loving higher intelligence wouldn’t have done it that way."
The main problem with the ‘argument from evil’ for atheists is that the argument from evil collapses in on itself.
Student (Albert Einstein) Vs. Professor – video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3qjDF9ksJU
,,,as the preceding video clearly shows, evil cannot exist without an objective standard of good that has been departed from. Thus the ‘argument from evil’ presupposes, as an axiom in its premises, an objective standard of ‘good' that has been departed from. Yet, at the same time Atheistic materialism denies the reality of Good and Evil altogether.
"In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.” Richard Dawkins, River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life
Thus since Atheists deny the reality of Good and Evil altogether, and yet the argument from evil requires an objective standard of good that has been departed from in its premises, then the 'argument from evil' collapses in on itself:
“The strength of materialism is that it obviates the problem of evil altogether. God need not be reconciled with evil, because neither exists. Therefore the problem of evil is no problem at all.,,, And of course since there is no evil, the materialist must, ironically, not use evil to justify atheism. The problem of evil presupposes the existence of an objective evil-the very thing the materialist seems to deny. The argument (from Theodicy) that led to materialism is exhausted just when it is needed most. In other words, the problem of evil is only generated by the prior claims that evil exists. One cannot then conclude, with Dawkins, that there is ‘no evil and no good’ in the universe.,,, The fact that evolution’s acceptance hinges on a theological position would, for many, be enough to expel it from science. But evolution’s reliance on metaphysics is not its worst failing. Evolution’s real problem is not its metaphysics but its denial of its metaphysics.,,, Cornelius Hunter – Darwin’s God – pg. 154 & 159
The unbridled hubris of the atheistic mindset in these matters is really quite astonishing. Although Dawkins denies the reality of good and evil altogether, check out Dawkins’ pride in himself as he condemns God as morally evil at the beginning of the following video:
Ben Stein vs. Richard Dawkins Interview – video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlZtEjtlirc
I guess good and evil only exist for atheists when they are presupposing that they are morally superior to God? Of supplemental note:
The Problem of Evil by Benjamin D. Wiker - April 2009 Excerpt: What could we say against these depths if the answer we received was not an argument but an incarnation, a full and free submission by God to the very evils about which we complain? This submission would be a kind of token, a sign that evil is very real indeed, bringing the incarnate God blood-sweating anxiety, excruciating pain, humiliation, torture, and finally a twisted and miserable annihilation on the cross. As real as such evil is, however, the resurrection reveals that it is somehow mysteriously comprehended within the divine plan. With the Incarnation, the reality of evil is absorbed into the deity, not dissolved into thin air, because God freely tastes the bitterness of the medicine as wounded healer, not distant doctor. Further, given the drastic nature of this solution, we begin to recognize that God takes the problem of evil more seriously than we could ever have taken it ourselves. ,,, http://www.crisismagazine.com/2009/the-problem-of-evil If God, Why Evil? (1 of 4) – Norm Geisler – video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSTzJ-kbfkc
bornagain77_{September 29, 2015
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Folks, I see, above, a snide dismissal of the possibility of a devil. Perhaps, the White Rose Martyrs, from that same central european country, can tell us a few things about the matter, in their tracts that cost them their lives:
WR, II: Since the conquest of Poland three hundred thousand Jews have been murdered in this country in the most bestial way . . . The German people slumber on in their dull, stupid sleep and encourage these fascist criminals . . . Each man wants to be exonerated of a guilt of this kind, each one continues on his way with the most placid, the calmest conscience. But he cannot be exonerated; he is guilty, guilty, guilty! WR, IV: Every word that comes from Hitler's mouth is a lie. When he says peace, he means war, and when he blasphemously uses the name of the Almighty, he means the power of evil, the fallen angel, Satan. His mouth is the foul-smelling maw of Hell, and his might is at bottom accursed. True, we must conduct a struggle against the National Socialist terrorist state with rational means; but whoever today still doubts the reality, the existence of demonic powers, has failed by a wide margin to understand the metaphysical background of this war.
Given a long, sad and evidently unfinished history of significant political leaders who have manifested destructive mesmerising deception and Nero-like demonically murderous violence or enabling of such, we need to pay these paid- for- in- blood- and- tears words very careful heed. Further to this, in recent weeks, the issue of the mass slaughter of is it 58 million American babies since 1973 has been forcefully put on the table in the context of the demonstrated pattern of the cutting up of these little boys and girls and selling their organs for tainted medical research all too reminiscent of Dr Mengele and co at Auschwitz. Research indicates that the global total at the same time is of order many hundreds of millions, altogether forming a mass global holocaust of the most innocent and voiceless among us, the worst in history. The major media voices, with scarce few exceptions, are implicated in at minimum enabling behaviour. The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your body will be full of light. But if your eyes are bad you will be full of darkness. If the imagined light in you is darkness, how great is your darkness. I ask: who said that, on what occasion, as recorded in what piece of literature. And, how is this connected to Dr Carson? In the case of Dr Carson, we have a man who instead of enabling the imagined light that is instead destructive darkness, dedicated himself to saving lives of children, improving their health and life prospects, and in so doing became a world class pioneer in neurosurgery, one of the most difficult facets of medicine. A professional discipline steeped in knowledge and skill in many linked scientific domains. Where the patent fact is, for many many areas of its praxis, macro-evolutionary theory, despite many assertions to the contrary, has proved utterly irrelevant. Save, that the events of Dr Mengele and co are connected with a drastic breakdown of ethics tied to the ways in which evolutionary materialist ideology and its fellow travellers, dressed up in lab coats, seized control of institutions and the imaginations of the elites from the late C19 on. Dr Carson, by his life, has shown us through example that a seventh day adventist and it seems young earth creationist, can successfully practice deeply scientific fields at the highest level. (BTW, I am not such an adventist.) He has shown how the ethics of the gospel move one to save life. He has shown how members of races of even imagined genetically inferior IQ and from very deprived circumstances can through vision, determination and parental input (imagine, an illiterate demanding regular book reports and using that to spark educational transformation) rise to the very highest levels despite obstacles. He has shown that such a person, in retirement, can stand up in the face of a civilisation headed over the cliff and say, there is a better way, come let us turn back before it is too late. And what is the reaction of the jaded, sophisticated, sneering media elites? Oh, he says sibboleth, not shibboleth, let us destroy him as he is a threat to our agendas. For shame! GEM of TKI PS: Oddly, just last evening (while substituting for a substantive tutor) I was demonstrating to local physics students roughly comparable to freshmen, angular momentum conservation. Dr Carson has in fact in brief alluded to some of the difficulties of solar system formation models, relative to the distribution of angular momentum. Such is an issue, and in fact, confident manner to the contrary, there is no established, demonstrated to be empirically reliable theory of spontaneous solar system formation. Again, this highlights a common failure to give a balanced view of strengths and limitations of science and science education. And in particular the tendencies to ignore the vera causa principle and to treat models as though they were facts.kairosfocus_{September 29, 2015
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beau @26
interestingly enough all but two have been believers
believers in what? Most (perhaps all) people believe in something. Even atheists believe that God does not exist. Agnostics believe that the available evidence is insufficient for them to convince them one way or another. Many believe in pantheism, reincarnation, rebirth, karma. Monotheistic beliefs are different too. Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God. They believe that He became flesh and died on a cross for the forgiveness of our sins. They believe that He was resurrected and lives and makes spiritually dead people alive, according to His will and for His glory. However, perhaps you meant that some of your doctors are not atheists?Dionisio_{September 28, 2015
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tjguy @25
It is very important to clarify what is meant by that word, otherwise your opponent can explain it in terms that make you look like a fool for rejecting it.
Yes, agree. Unfortunately these days words lack meaning in many cases. Just note "omg" said everywhere for anything. "wow!", "absolutely!", "i love this, i love that", "perfect", "amazing!", etc. Anything means everything or nothing, it doesn't matter anyway. It's pathetic. Really heartbreaking sad. Welcome to this world! Years ago I was in my office trying to fix software bugs reported by the users to our tech support guys, who wrote tickets that were assigned to the programmers. One of the bug reports did not include the dataset required to reproduce the problem, hence I emailed the tech support guy to provide the dataset. However, since the guy didn't respond, I went to the guy's office in another area of the building to ask him about the dataset. Two of his tech support colleagues were in his office talking, because it was during their break time. When I was leaving his office, the tech support guy asked me to stay for a moment to answer a question about their discussion. Another guy asked me: "what's the opposite of love?" to what I responded: "what do you mean by 'love'?" My question made them upset. They told me to respond without asking questions. I told them I wanted to respond their question as accurately as I could, therefore I wanted to know what exactly they were asking me. Was it about 'love' like in 'i love chocolate' or 'I love my children'. The former is related to liking what chocolate does to me, whereas the latter case was about wanting good for my children regardless of what they do to me. Conditional vs. unconditional. Well, they didn't like it, they asked me to get out of their office. Later when they saw me in the hallways they mocked me and made fun of my questions.Dionisio_{September 28, 2015
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I have a wide variety of diseases and ailments so i get to see many in thr medical field. I've been asking doctors if knowledge of evolution had any value to their practice, so far they've all said no. Some seemed insulted that i even implied that it could, interestingly enough all but two have been believers.beau_{September 28, 2015
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Dionisio @24
Perhaps next time Dr. Carson should answer the ‘evolution’ question by asking the questioners what do they mean by that ‘e’ word?
Exactly! It is very important to clarify what is meant by that word, otherwise your opponent can explain it in terms that make you look like a fool for rejecting it. News asks:
"Who cares what any American president believes about “evolution”? "
Actually, I think I do care what a President believes about evolution. If he is a gung ho evolutionist - a Materialist - I would be concerned - very concerned! I certainly do not think a belief in evolution is a requirement for the Presidency. He can do his job fine without such a belief. Again, he needs to clarify it is macro, not micro evolution that he does not believe in.tjguy_{September 28, 2015
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News @8
Who cares what any American president believes about “evolution”?
That's an interesting question. KF has written extensively on the following topic, but I want to bring it up again here at this point. In the 1930s an allegedly 'civilized' nation in central Europe accepted as valid (with some exceptions among their people) a philosophical worldview position based on the concept of "superior race", among other things. Today many people know (more or less) the consequences derived from that horrible historical decision. Basically, in Russian language the word that means "good" sounds like "horror show". Well, about half century after that horrendous decision by a blinded nation to self-proclaim themselves a "superior race", attack their neighbors and exterminate the "inferior" people, the world witnessed this remarkable medical operation performed by a very dedicated team of talented doctors and other medical personnel, that included, in a leading position, a talented neurosurgeon with a skin pigmentation that would disqualify him from the 1930s German "superior race" society. Wait a minute. Are we saying that an allegedly "inferior race" "sub-person" was allowed to perform a most delicate and difficult surgery on two children of the allegedly "superior nation" by the explicitly expressed request of talented medical doctors of the allegedly "superior nation"? What? Say it again? I have the impression that Dr. Carson strongly believes in the dignity of any human life. Now, please tell me, where does that strong belief comes from in Dr. Carson's case? Definitely not from the "superiority" philosophy that caused so much death and suffering in Europe in the first half of the 20th century. Perhaps next time Dr. Carson should answer the 'evolution' question by asking the questioners what do they mean by that 'e' word? Do they mean the built-in adaptation mechanisms embedded within the biological systems, which explain the Galapagos finch beak variety? Or do they have in mind the pile of obfuscating pseudoscientific nonsense included in the so called "evo-devo" literature, that can't answer the basic question "where's the beef?" as indicated multiple times in the "third way to evolution" discussion thread in this website? I'd rather see Dr Carson use his talent and influence in telling the Good News to this lost and perishing world, because he seems to know where true wisdom comes from. But if he runs for POTUS, then at least he seems to recognize himself as a forgiven sinner and he seems to understand where true wisdom comes from. As long as he keeps trusting his Redeemer for every decision he makes, then integrity will be an expected virtue, hence we will have less probabilities of seeing the POTUS involved in controversial personal affairs. Now, regarding that famous surgery related to Dr Carson and the German twins, why did that have to happen? Well, the elaborate cellular and molecular choreographies orchestrated within the biological systems during development are very delicate and many things can go wrong during those processes. I don't know exactly why that happened. But I know this:
As He [Jesus] passed by, He saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him. We must work the works of Him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.” [John 9:1-5 (ESV)]
Commentary from Reformation Study Bible by Ligonier Ministries:
9:2 who sinned. Many Jews, like Job’s friends, believed that every temporal misfortune was God’s punishment for some specific sin. With a congenital affliction the explanation could be that the sin had been committed in the womb, or by the parents whose sinful act victimized their child. Jesus dismisses these as improper explanations (v. 3), but this is not to say that certain trials are not the God-ordained punishment for certain sins (e.g., the life of David after His adultery and murder, 2 Sam. 12–21). Neither does Jesus here dismiss the biblical doctrine of original sin (Rom. 5:12–21), which teaches that all suffering is the consequence of our corporate sin and rebellion in Adam. But it is unwise and uncharitable to judge that the sufferings of others are specifically punitive (Matt. 7:1). The question put to Jesus presents a false dilemma. Only two possibilities were given as reasons for the man’s affliction, his own sin or the sin of his parents. Jesus offers a third option (v. 3). 9:3 that the works of God might be displayed. Some of our sufferings, like the trials of Job, are for God’s glory, either through our resulting refinement or through a spectacular healing as in the present case. God’s purpose is not always presently known to us, but we have God’s assurance that His purpose is good (Rom. 8:28).
Here's part of the story that made Dr. Carson so famous:
In 1987, Ben Carson made medical history by being the first surgeon to successfully separate conjoined twins (the Binder twins) conjoined at the back of the head (craniopagus twins). Operations to separate twins joined in this way had always failed, resulting in the death of one or both of the infants. Carson agreed to undertake the operation. The 50-member surgical team, led by Carson, worked for 22 hours. At the end, the twins were successfully separated and can now survive independently. As Carson said in an interview:
I was talking to a friend of mine, who was a cardiothoracic surgeon, who was the chief of the division, and I said, "You guys operate on the heart in babies, how do you keep them from exsanguinating" and he says, "Well, we put them in hypothermic arrest." I said, "Is there any reason that -- if we were doing a set of Siamese twins that were joined at the head -- that we couldn't put them into hypothermic arrest, at the appropriate time, when we're likely to lose a lot of blood?" and he said, "No." I said, "Wow, this is great." Then I said, "Why am I putting my time into this? I'm not going to see any Siamese twins." So I kind of forgot about it, and lo and behold, two months later, along came these doctors from Germany, presenting this case of Siamese twins. And, I was asked for my opinion, and I then began to explain the techniques that should be used, and how we would incorporate hypothermic arrest, and everybody said "Wow! That sounds like it might work." And, my colleagues and I, a few of us went over to Germany. We looked at the twins. We actually put in scalp expanders, and five months later we brought them over and did the operation, and lo and behold, it worked. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjoined_twins#

Twins Separated by Surgery Ready to Go Home to Germany April 06, 1988|ERIC LICHTBLAU | Times Staff Writer BALTIMORE, Md. — Benjamin and Patrick Binder, the Siamese twins who were born joined at the head and then separated in an unprecedented surgical marathon seven months ago, will be released from the hospital this week to begin what doctors hope will eventually be normal lives, officials said Tuesday. The 14-month-old boys, who will return to their native West Germany with their parents, still face challenges to develop their speech and motor skills, vision and mental capacities. "Neither child at this point is normal," said Dr. Mark Rogers of Johns Hopkins Hospital here, where the surgery was performed. Both boys have "the potential for a normal existence," Dr. Benjamin Carson, a pediatric neurosurgeon at Johns Hopkins, said at a press conference. A Marvel to Doctors Doctors who took part in the pioneering 22-hour operation last Labor Day weekend marveled that the brothers--initially given just a 50-50 chance of survival--are alive and progressing well. They called their development remarkable. Only one in 2 million live births is of twins joined at the head. Several have been surgically separated, but never before had physicians successfully separated twins who shared major blood systems in the brain. The Binder babies were brought to Baltimore for the delicate procedure after their German physician contacted Rogers at Johns Hopkins, which has a highly regarded pediatric neurosurgery unit. To carry out the task, a team of 70 specialists lowered the twins' body temperatures to slow the bleeding and then separated the blood vessels at the backs of the boys' heads. They used portions of the pericardium, the tissue that covers the heart, to graft new vessels and transplanted skin and back muscle to reconstruct the skulls. Most Complex Case "It's an extraordinary feat . . . just that the children are alive and going home," Rogers said. He added that he has never seen a case as complex or challenging among the 10,000 children he has treated. The Binder boys left intensive care in November and are considered to be in stable condition. Each weighs between 25 and 30 pounds. Their mother, Theresia Binder, 21, is "excited" but also "nervous (and) anxious" about her sons' return home to Ulm, West Germany, Rogers said. She has visited the boys daily and occasionally has been able to take them out in a stroller. She and her husband, Josef, a factory worker, have sold exclusive rights to the twins' story to a West German magazine and did not appear at the press conference. The doctors said that neither Benjamin nor Patrick can walk or crawl and they are behind in verbal development, but have shown improvement. Further Treatment Set Benjamin has progressed more rapidly than Patrick, who suffered a setback and was temporarily returned to intensive care several weeks ago after he stopped breathing for about a minute. Benjamin will return directly home but Patrick will be treated for a short time at a West German hospital for a "reflux" condition, which causes stomach contents to back up into the esophagus. Dottie Lappe, head nurse in pediatric intensive care at Johns Hopkins, said that "everybody's going to miss them" at the hospital. Rogers agreed, saying: "We have a tremendous amount of emotional investment (in the children). . . . We had to care for them as physicians and care for them as human beings." That care also has meant a substantial financial investment for the hospital and others. Rogers said the hospital has picked up most of the medical expenses, estimated at $800,000, with some help from the German government. The physicians volunteered their services. http://articles.latimes.com/1988-04-06/news/mn-521_1_return-home
Dionisio_{September 28, 2015
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Don't vote for me. I'm the nut on the internet.Mapou_{September 28, 2015
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So....a question for UD and News. If Mapou were running for president of the USA, would his views be worth blogging on?REC_{September 28, 2015
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And by the by. Satan is not that particular alien's name. Satan really means the accuser or adversary. His real name is Morning Star or, as given in Latin by the Church of Rome, Lucifer. He's full of hate against both humans and the hosts of Yahweh. Yahweh is the big Kahuna of all the aliens. He claimed to have been the first one and that all the others, including other aliens and humans, came long after. But not before Yahweh of Hosts had a technological singularity of sorts from which the universe was born. That was the Big Daddy of all singularities. LOL. You see, we Christians, we have stories to tell you about aliens. Besides, they're right here. And they've been here long before we showed up. We are the late comers in this part of the Galaxy. What are they doing here? Glad you ask. They engineered the Solar system, terraformed the earth and seeded it with living organisms in order to conduct a grand experiment, one that is still ongoing. And guess what? We are the subject of the experiment. Like I said, we got alien stories to tell. Grand stories.Mapou_{September 28, 2015
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Any putdown of a believer in creationism is a putdown of all believers now and in the past. The great majority have no problem with disbelief in evolution and belief in God/Christ/genesis. Its only a problem for a minority and the present wicked establishment. Yes I think they are wicked but they always were in human history. Nothing personal. nobody votes on this anyways Evolutionism is a rejection of the bible and Christianity for many. FINE. BUT don't deny you are attacking and starting hostilities. Creationism is just another front in a general attack on Christendom. We need a bigger defence with a bigger response and plan to reconquor like when the Spanish had to reconquor Spain for Christendom agains the Moors and so on.Robert Byers_{September 28, 2015
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You see, Christians and Jews are light years ahead of the dirt worshippers when it comes to alien expertise. They even know many of them by name.
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leenibus:
“The resolution came somewhere along the way for Carson: Satan. Evolution is Satan’s doing.” I can respect Dr Carson, who has lived such an admirable and brilliant life with so many accomplishments. However it is a sad and disturbing aspect of our times that the scientific views of a neurosurgeon could be swayed by an argument rooted in the supposed existence of an atavistic embodiment of evil, Satan.
Personally, I admire Carson's willingness to stand up to the abuse that everyone knew would come. Not that I agree with him on any issue but I must acknowledge that this takes a high level of gonads. I do take issue with your calling Satan "an atavistic embodiment of evil." Satan is no less plausible than Carl Sagan's beloved aliens. You see, Christians and Jews are light years ahead of the dirt worshippers when it comes to alien expertise. They even know many of them by name.Mapou_{September 28, 2015
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"The resolution came somewhere along the way for Carson: Satan. Evolution is Satan’s doing." I can respect Dr Carson, who has lived such an admirable and brilliant life with so many accomplishments. However it is a sad and disturbing aspect of our times that the scientific views of a neurosurgeon could be swayed by an argument rooted in the supposed existence of an atavistic embodiment of evil, Satan.leenibus_{September 28, 2015
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I don't know what Media Matters is, but I read this article at The Week: http://theweek.com/articles/578765/how-ben-carson-both-incredibly-smart-spectacularly-stupid Which 'News' has cited (with approval?) in the past: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/peter-weber-at-the-week-america-doesnt-trust-its-experts-anymore/ I guess it is easier for News to claim something is from what she sees as some liberal trash than that it is perhaps legitimate criticism from an online magazine with fairly diverse views.REC_{September 28, 2015
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daveS:
He thinks he’s refuted the Big Bang, when in fact he has simply revealed his ignorance of freshman physics. And yet he is so confident, he gives speeches about this stuff! That’s not what I look for in a president.
Carson's understanding of the physics of the universe is no worse than that of famous physicists such as Hawking. Hawking believes in the possibility of time travel, for crying out loud! This is a man who still uses "continuous fields" physics even though any moron walking down the street can figure out that the universe is necessarily discrete.Mapou_{September 28, 2015
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Here's one for the books. I came across it on a webpage about the collapse of the WTC towers: As Lord Kelvin said, “I often say . . . that when you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind; it may be the beginning of knowledge, but you have scarcely, in your thoughts, advanced to the stage of science, whatever the matter may be.” http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html How richly that applies to evolution. Feel free to us this were every appropriate.Peter_{September 28, 2015
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Who cares what any American president believes about “evolution”?
It's not simply his views on evolution and other topics, but rather the horribly muddled reasoning he uses to arrive at these views. For example, discussing the Big Bang:
You know, you’ve got this mass bending and then it explodes. In physics, we have something we call “angular momentum,” and it is preserved, so it should be preserved in any orbit of anything that is affected by gravity around a planet, which means everything has to traverse in the same direction. Well, it doesn’t! There are many planets that have satellites and moons that go in opposite directions. So that doesn’t work with angular momentum!
He thinks he's refuted the Big Bang, when in fact he has simply revealed his ignorance of freshman physics. And yet he is so confident, he gives speeches about this stuff! That's not what I look for in a president.daveS_{September 28, 2015
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Daniel King at 11, give it a rest. I have been at many graduations. Engineers, yes, carpenters, no. Why do all surgeons Rise, Doctor of Medicine? Don't write back, I don't care, unless you are prepared to swear you are not paid by the Darwin lobby or some political campaign.News_{September 28, 2015
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Surgery is to science what carpentry is to engineering.Daniel King_{September 28, 2015
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With your sharp mind and strong study habits, you don’t have much problem understanding the material, grasping the copious evidence underlying the theory of evolution, all the fossils going back millions of years, how it all fits together in an endless process that affects everything from a towering redwood down to a microscopic virus.
I remember sitting through a "Chordate Morphology" class, hoping to see how the fossil record "all fits together," and then having the class finish-----with nothing "fitting together." This was years ago; but I'm rather sure nothing has appreciably changed since then. I scratched my head at the time, thought I must have missed something, and went on, convinced that surely, somewhere, there was an answer. When I got around to really looking for it---after reading parts of the Origin, and then Behe's "Darwin's Black Box," I found that there was, in the end, NO answer. Nothing fit together. Just wild, loose ends, held together by a narrative that was clearly contradicted by the facts. That evolution is, in so many ways, a 'lie' parading itself as the 'truth,' well, yes, you could look at it as "Satan's doings." But, this said, I would still prefer it if Ben Carson simply said that evolution was bad science. That's a much easier proposition to test. I don't see this, though, as disqualifying him as a presidential candidate.PaV_{September 28, 2015
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daveS, what difference does it make to dirt worshippers whether or not I'm voting?Mapou_{September 28, 2015
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Who cares what any American president believes about "evolution"?News_{September 28, 2015
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Evolution can be proven false with just 3 letters: DNA. Anyone that doesn't get this is dumb enough to be an evolutionist. Unfortunately there are a lot of them.Peter_{September 28, 2015
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You're not voting?daveS_{September 28, 2015
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daveS:
Is that acceptable for the president of a world power?
If I were voting, I'd take Carson over any dirt worshipping president. Carson understands the simple math of combinatorial explosion. Dirt worshippers don't.Mapou_{September 28, 2015
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I can't quite figure out Dr Carson. He is clearly a talented physician, but get him talking about evolution or cosmology and he turns into Ken Ham. Looks like a classic case of willful ignorance to me; he should know better. Is that acceptable for the president of a world power?daveS_{September 28, 2015
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