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So Brit journo Nick Cohen thinks:

Dawkins is the sluggish pundit’s dream. It does not matter which paper you work for. Editors of all political persuasions and none will take an attack on Darwin’s representative on earth. With the predictability of the speaking clock, Owen Jones, the Peter Hitchens of the left, thinks the same as Craig Brown, Private Eye’s high Tory satirist. Tom Chivers, the Telegraph’s science blogger, says the same as Andrew Brown, the Guardian’s religious affairs correspondent. The BBC refuses to run contrary views. It assures the nation that ‘militant’ atheism is as fanatical as militant religion — despite the fact that no admirer of The God Delusion has ever planted a bomb, or called for the murder of homosexuals, Jews and apostates.

Sharp operators could sell the same piece a dozen times without changing a word. Read the papers, and you will suspect that is exactly what sharp operators have done.

Maybe they all need each other?

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Mr Frank, that 'silliness of body counts' is not so silly to those who have lived through those atheistic and Darwinian horrors! But alas since you have no objective moral basis anyway, save the one you 'borrow' from Christianity, how would you really be compelled to be fair in all this? Historian Paul Johnson is Darwin's Latest Biographer -- and a Pretty Devastating One - David Klinghoffer - October 14, 2012 Excerpt: "Both Himmler, head of the SS and Goebbels, the propaganda chief," were students of Darwin, ,,, Hitler apparently carried the theory of natural selection "to its logical conclusion." "Leading Communists," moreover, "from Lenin to Trotsky to Stalin and Mao Tse-tung" considered evolution "essential to the self-respect of Communists. ... Darwin provided stiffening to the scaffold of laws and dialectic they erected around their seizure of power." Even Stalin,, "had Darwin's 'struggle' and 'survival of the fittest' in mind" when murdering entire ethnic groups, as did Pol Pot,,, ,,the "emotional stew" Darwin built up in Origin played a major part in the development of the 20th century's genocides.,,, No one who is remotely thoughtful blames Charles Darwin "for millions of deaths." But to say, as Johnson does, that Darwin's theory contributed to the growth of a view of the world that in turn had horrendously tragic consequences -- well, that's obviously true, it did. We have documented this extensively here at ENV, as have historians including our contributor Richard Weikart (Hitler's Ethic: The Nazi Pursuit of Evolutionary Progress, From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany, Socialist Darwinism: Evolution in German Socialist Thought from Marx to Bernstein). There is, or should be, nothing controversial about this (fact of history). http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/10/historian_paul_065281.htmlbornagain77
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BA77 - we have debated the silliness of body counts before. But if you insist on using them you might as well get them right. The list includes many states where the leaders were not atheist: Nazi Germany, Japan, Turkey, Mexico, Russia. The list also omits King Leopold of Belgium a Roman Catholic with about 8 million in the Congo to his name (thanks to VJ Torley for bringing this to my attention in his critique of Pinker)Mark Frank
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Speaking of denial, anyone who thinks Islam is really a religion of peace is living in a fantasy land. Islam has a long, long history of inciting violence against non-believers which, despite the virtual silence of western media on the topic, continues to this day unabated in its 'convert or die' mentality: The Politically Incorrect Truth about Islam http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace (Thousands upon thousands of attacks since 9-11) "Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29 http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#PriorYears Here is a post listing many verses from the Quran that incite violence and murder against non-believers in general and against Christians and Jews in particular: http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-islam-and-christianity/comment-page-1/#comment-159800 Moreover, atheists, in their brief century of Global dominance, made Muslims look like boy scouts in terms of violence. Moreover, most of the atrocities committed by atheists were and are against their own people and their own unborn children: The unmitigated horror visited upon man, by state sponsored atheism, would be hard to exaggerate,,, Here's what happens when Atheists/evolutionists/non-Christians take control of Government: “169,202,000 Murdered: Summary and Conclusions [20th Century Democide] I BACKGROUND 2. The New Concept of Democide [Definition of Democide] 3. Over 133,147,000 Murdered: Pre-Twentieth Century Democide II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS 4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State 5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill 6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State 7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS 8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan’s Savage Military 9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State 10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey’s Genocidal Purges 11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State 12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland’s Ethnic Cleansing 13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State 14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito’s Slaughterhouse IV 4,145,000 VICTIMS: SUSPECTED MEGAMURDERERS 15. 1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea 16. 1,417,000 Murdered? Barbarous Mexico 17. 1,066,000 Murdered? Feudal Russia” This is, in reality, probably just a drop in the bucket. Who knows how many undocumented murders there were. It also doesn’t count all the millions of abortions from around the world. http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM Steve Pinker’s bogus statistics (against Christianity being a force for good in the world): - August 2013 Pinker’s Claim:: World War I, as I recall, was a war fought mostly by Christians against Christians. As for World War II and its associated horrors, see my answer to the previous question. True or False? Utterly irrelevant to the question of whether religion is a force for violence. Matthew White has this to say on the matter: Q: Is religion responsible for more violent deaths than any other cause? A: No, of course not — unless you define religion so broadly as to be meaningless. Just take the four deadliest events of the 20th Century — Two World Wars, Red China and the Soviet Union — no religious motivation there, unless you consider every belief system to be a religion. https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/steve-pinkers-bogus-statistics-a-critique-of-the-better-angels-of-our-nature-part-one/ Abortion Statistics http://www.voiceofrevolution.com/2009/01/18/abortion-statistics/ At 1,200,000, Abortion is the leading cause of deaths each year in the USA - graph http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/544765_158500824274847_129232723868324_100415_1654573487_n.jpg Perspective on Abortion compared to other causes of death in America http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/320367_518460354831147_1835572116_n.jpgbornagain77
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So you agree that man is capable of great evil and is desperately in need of moral redemption, are do you prefer another century of atheistic utopia where objective morality is denied altogether?bornagain77
August 24, 2013
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Around that time atrocities were pretty common on all sides. Of course it is hard to believe accounts of atrocities written by the other side. But when they come from your own side and they glory in it .....
The pillage of Jerusalem Now that our men had possession of the walls and towers, wonderful sights were to be seen. Some of our men (and this was merciful) cut off the heads of their enemies; others shot them with arrows, so that they fell from the towers; others tortured them longer by casting them into the flames. Piles of heads, hands and feet were to be seen in the streets of the city. It was necessary to pick one's way over the bodies of men and horses. But these were small matters compared with what happened in the Temple of Solomon, a place where religious services are normally chanted. What happened there? If I tell the truth, you would not believe it. Suffice to say that, in the Temple and Porch of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins. Indeed, it was a just and splendid judgement of God that this place should be filled with the blood of the unbelievers, since it had suffered so long from their blasphemies. The city was filled with corpses and blood. From Raymond d'Aguilers, Historia francorum qui ceprint Jerusalem
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Siege of Vienna - video Join Gordon Robertson as he travels to Vienna, Austria, to explore the first attempt by the Islamic Ottoman Empire to invade the city of Vienna. With prayer and creativity, the city’s outnumbered Christian army defeated the vast Ottoman forces at the height of their power and singlehandedly stopped the march of Islam through Europe. http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/churchhistory/siegeofvienna/ The Politically Incorrect Truth about Islam http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/bornagain77
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Speaking of the Crusades, which many non-Christians like to point to, along with the inquisition, as an example of Christian brutality, and which were definitely not shining moments in Christian history, it is, none-the-less, interesting to note the perpetual cycle of terror perpetrated on peaceful Christians (and non-Christians) for hundreds of years by the Muslims, A perpetual cycle of terror which preceded the Crusades and ehich Christians are never told about in secular universities. A perpetual terror upon peaceful people which had finally lead up to the backlash witnessed in the Crusades: Islamic Atrocities Provoked the Crusades - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imTY5izhTDo Islam - A History Of Terror, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y In Depth History of the Muslim Religion | William J Federer - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA0Hgf1CAfsbornagain77
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#4 and #5 If it were true that true Christians cannot murder then a lot of Crusaders were not Christians.Mark Frank
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Robert, I think it is a bit of an overstatement to say that true Christians cannot murder. I understand what you are saying, but everyone is human and given the right circumstances, who knows? For the most part I think u r right, but are you saying that God cannot forgive murder? While King David was not a "true Christian", he was a man after God's own heart and we know what happened.tjguy
August 24, 2013
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No true Christian has ever called for the murder of Jews or gays either. However many Jews and gays have murdered many people in the european struggles. True Christians can not murder. Thats the point of being Born again. Isn't Cohen a Jewish name? Smells like a attack from a identity eh? I didn't know Dawkins is attacked by everyone. I don't why since he fits the present establishment. Without him who would everyone talk about.! If he brings bigger audiences to origin subjects then creationists get the moral right for rebuttal. Its been the lack of a chance for rebuttal that has allowed evolution etc to survive so long in the thinking publics mind.Robert Byers
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Dickie D just makes too good of NEWS copy to tear down. In fact, UD should be doing their part to build up his reputation because he states the opposing view so eloquently. In fact, in spite of being named 'world's top thinker',,
Richard Dawkins named world's top thinker in poll - April 2013 http://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2013/apr/25/richard-dawkins-named-top-thinker
,,some atheists are becoming a bit embarrassed by Dawkins antics. In fact I read an article recently where one atheist floated the concern that Dawkins was actually a undercover plant from Theists from the 1970's, when he wrote 'The Selfish Gene', since he has been embarrassing himself on a pretty regular basis lately. And he has a point. Every one of Dawkins' foundational presuppositions in 'The Selfish Gene' have recently been shown to be false,,,
Modern Synthesis Of Neo-Darwinism Is False – Denis Nobel – video http://www.metacafe.com/w/10395212
As well, Dawkins' book 'The Blind Watchmaker' has been labeled as having 'philosophically un-cogent' arguments in it by Alvin Plantinga,,,
Darwinism Not Proved Impossible Therefore Its True - Plantinga http://www.metacafe.com/watch/10285716/
In fact, Dawkins' has admitted that he is not really an atheist but an agnostic, both here,,
'Outspoken atheist' Dawkins admits he is agnostic - February 2012 http://www.theweek.co.uk/religion/religion/45552/outspoken-atheist-dawkins-admits-he-agnostic
,,and here, where Ben Stein challenged him to put a percentage number on his belief that God does not exist,,
Ben Stein vs. Richard Dawkins Interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlZtEjtlirc
which is just as well that Dawkins is an agnostic instead of an atheist because Dawkins' has also honestly admitted that it is impossible for Darwinism to guarantee that our perceptions of reality will be true under Darwinism,,,
Why No One (Can) Believe Atheism/Naturalism to be True - video Excerpt: "Since we are creatures of natural selection, we cannot totally trust our senses. Evolution only passes on traits that help a species survive, and not concerned with preserving traits that tell a species what is actually true about life." Richard Dawkins - quoted from "The God Delusion" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4QFsKevTXs
,,Throw in Dawkins' cowardly refusal to debate William Lane Craig, and plus Dawkins support of infanticide,,
Richard Dawkins Approves Infanticide, not William Lane Craig! - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmodkyJvhFo
Then I guess, I can see why Dawkins' would be such an embarrassment for many atheists and that he would even be seen as a undercover plant by some atheists. Dawkins' simply is, many times, much too honest to be convincing that atheism is rational!
Richard Dawkins Knows Nothing About Nothing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v34QjYPuiEA
But Dickie D don't you listen to those laughs from those Christians and those whispers of doubt from those 'true' atheists, you earned your spot at the top of the atheists dog heap and you will always be my top heathen dog!
Beware The Believers - music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaGgpGLxLQw
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Oddly enough, no admirer of Darwin's Doubt has done any of those things either. Militant atheism, however - you mean like, oh, say, Communism? Has Mr. Cohen never heard of Stalin or Mao? Pffft, the rebuttals write themselves.drc466
August 23, 2013
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despite the fact that no admirer of The God Delusion has ever planted a bomb, or called for the murder of homosexuals, Jews and apostates.
Silly atheist, such things are not wrong or immoral in atheism....everything is just nature acting according to the laws of physics and without free will. Survival of the fittest, right? ;-) I always love it when atheists use God's criteria for morality.Blue_Savannah
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