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LSD and the Relevance of Computer Simulations to Biological Evolution

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No, not lysergic acid diethylamide, but LS-Dyna, perhaps the world’s most sophisticated engineering computer simulation program, developed at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, originally for the development of nuclear weapons. I’m studying LS-Dyna feverishly, since my company is sending me off to LS-Dyna school in Livermore, CA at the end of this month.

I have a lot of experience writing computer simulations of the reasoning process in intellectual games such as checkers and chess, and nearly as much experience developing software for guided-airdrop systems, which involves a lot of simulation work. But LS-Dyna has been a real eye-opener.

LS-Dyna models the laws of physics and the material properties of the components of a dynamic, non-linear system with extreme mathematical and computational precision (assuming the user knows what he is doing), but if a single assumption is erroneous, or a single detail left out, the model can produce worthless (even subworthless, i.e., misleading) results. Fortunately, LS-Dyna simulations can be tested in the real world to verify their validity.

For an example of what LS-Dyna can do, see this short AVI of the simulation of a car airbag.

Computer simulations are often touted as verifying the power of random mutation and natural selection. Over at Evolution News and Views, we read:

On June 26 the New York Times ran an article by Douglas H. Erwin, senior scientist at the Smithsonian’s National Museum of Natural History, in which he stated as demonstrated fact the power of natural selection to create the eye. We now can see (forgive the pun) that natural selection “is the primary agent in shaping new adaptations.”

His example? “Computer simulations,” he declares, “have shown how selection can produce a complex eye from a simple eyespot in just a few hundred thousand years.”

Really, Dr. Erwin? Where is your proof of this important fact? What computer simulations, published where and when and by whom? Just a citation or two will do.

One also might scoff at the exaggerated faith shown computer simulations in general, since they frequently cannot even predict next week’s weather accurately. But leave that topic alone for now. Let’s just have the evidence of published computer simulations referred to by Dr. Erwin.

As it turns out, in this case the referenced computer simulation never even existed.

Then there is Avida, which is touted as having refuted the challenge of irreducible complexity. You can read Eric Anderson’s take on this here at ISCID.

The take-home lesson is that computer models can produce valid results, if the problem is thoroughly understood and the model accurately represents reality. Even then, modeling something as straightforward as a car airbag inflating is a Herculean task, and the results can only be finally trusted when the simulation is tested against the real thing.

Computer simulations that claim to provide insight into biological evolution are massively oversimplified caricatures of the real thing, and are so divorced from the real world that no one should take them seriously.

When they actually exist, they turn out to be digital just-so stories.

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Gil So, how do you model something with a computer program when you don’t even know what to model? Empirically. Reverse engineering of proprietary hardware and software is something I did a lot of and was exceedingly good at it. You've essentially got a black box with inputs and outputs. Darwin's Black Box in our case here. The way you go about finding out how a black box works is comparing changes in input with changes in output and coming up with a consistent set of rules that work to describe all known input/output combinations. The acid test is then running both the model and black box with novel inputs. If the model is right the outputs should be identical. Your model may not reflect what's really in the black box and in a complex system it might be practically impossible to test all possible input combinations. But if it works it works even if the model and black box aren't identical on the inside - if the inputs and outputs are identical that's really all that counts. The main problem with computer models of evolution is they're not modeling biological evolution (or any other real world physical system for that matter) so there's nothing to test the model against. Without any way of testing the model against reality it's nothing but woolgathering. What they managed to prove is something that didn't require any proof - they demonstrated that finding solutions to problems can be accomplished through trial and error. Everyone knows how to work problems by trial and error - we're born with the instinctive ability to employ trial and error. For instance it's how we learn to walk. DaveScot
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GilDodgen: My brother is a physicist at Livermore. He says you can look him up for a chess game in the Robin room of B111 during the lunch hour on Mondays if you want. He says he knows "a little bit" about LS-Dyna. I'm not sure what that means. He works on his own pretty sophisticated codes but I'm not sure how related it might be. email me at dacook@tannerclinic.com and I'll give you his name and email address if you want to look him up. He can probably give you a pretty good chess game; he beats me with his back to the board. Dave C.dacook
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A question: would it be correct to say that you have to have a pretty accurate understanding of what happens in the real world in order to even create an effective computer simulation of something?
That's correct. It must be a very detailed and accurate understanding.
If that's correct, then where evolution is concerned, where can we find the real world biological events that confirm the simulation?
The problem is that no one knows the mechanisms whereby complex biological systems came to be. They certainly weren't Darwinian mechanisms, as Behe has so powerfully demonstrated in his two books. Design is transparently evident, but it is unknown how that design was implemented. So, how do you model something with a computer program when you don't even know what to model?GilDodgen
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DonaldM: In the real world, the bio events Darwinists claim occurred are just as imaginary as the tooth fairy - i.e. fish became elephants, cold-blooded reptiles became warm-blooded (or heterothermic) birds and man became Darwinist. Oops that last one is partially true. It's called conjecture, speculation, just-so stories and wishful thinking.Borne
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When they actually exist, they turn out to be digital just-so stories.------Gil I like that: "digital just-so stories". Nice phrasing!PaV
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Gil, A question: would it be correct to say that you have to have a pretty accurate understanding of what happens in the real world in order to even create an effective computer simulation of something? If that's correct, then where evolution is concerned, where can we find the real world biological events that confirm the simulation?DonaldM
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I’m studying LS-Dyna feverishly, since my company is sending me off to LS-Dyna school in Livermore, CA...
I'm green with envy. If I got to play with cool toys like that at work, I would spend a lot less time on UD. :)sagebrush gardener
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Until recently, I used to think these computer simulations didn't prove a thing, but now I know that Darwinian evolution is a fact. I came to know this because I got a chance to toy with one of the programs myself. You see, my daughter has the latest simulation program on her Nintendo DS. It goes by the name "Pokemon". It confirmed that Abra naturally evolves into Kadabra! It was quite a shock to learn this truth, and so I've come to embrace Darwinism. Sorry guys, but ID is a loser. :)Lurker
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Completely agree Gil. It's quite amazing how NDE people continuously claim anout the power of RM+NS. But, AS A MATTER OF FACT, every time in the discussions I had simply stated that Avida does ONLY prove that a TRIVIAL EQU function can evolve (and this with great difficulty) I did NEVER receive any answer. Is this experience the same of all ID supporters?kairos
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