How many lives did Dawkins save, you say? Carson doesn’t believe in Dawkins’ religion, Darwinian evolution. All doctors should be as ignorant as Carson.
As so often, we close our religion coverage for the week with a new atheist: Richard Dawkins on US prez contender Ben Carson:
On Dr. Ben Carson specifically Richard Dawkins said, “You just told me all the Republican candidates except one doesn’t believe in evolution, I mean that’s a disgrace. For a senor a very eminent, distinguished doctor, as he is, to say that is even worse. Because of course evolution is the bedrock of biology and biology is the bedrock of medicine. For a distinguished doctor to not understand, I have to use the word understand, he clearly doesn’t understand the fundamental theory of his own subject, that’s a terrible indictment.”
It’s a much more terrible indictment of legacy media that they are still airing Dawkins as if anyone cares.
No wonder they keep losing audience and money.
See also: Dawkins’ American twin Larry Krauss weighs in, along with some US charity for jobless MSM, Media Matters.
Why don’t they invite some of these folks, if they want to talk about evolution?
Well, then they’d have to think, and perhaps they don’t get paid for that. Neither, one fears, do most of their remaining viewers.
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Anyone remember this from 2006?
as to:
“For a senor a very eminent, distinguished doctor, as he is, to say that is even worse. Because of course evolution is the bedrock of biology and biology is the bedrock of medicine.”
Actually,
In fact, as to the somewhat minor extent evolutionary reasoning has influenced medical diagnostics, it has led to much ‘medical malpractice’ in the past:
Evolution isn’t the bedrock of anything. Evolution is the opposite of bedrock.
Richard Dawkins, meet Dr Philip Skell: Why Do We Invoke Darwin?:
Bedrock is the home of the Flintstones, Dickie.
For a distinguished doctor to not understand, I have to use the word understand, he clearly doesn’t understand the fundamental theory of his own subject, that’s a terrible indictment.” says Dawkins.
What it really shows is that belief in evolution is irrelevant when it comes to practicing medicine. This design paradigm works just fine!
Otherwise, how could he become such a tenon and “distinguished” doctor? Seems like the evidence does not support his claim/opinion.
OT: Wintery Knight has an overview of Behe’s “First Rule” paper
Or you know, the 10 year $$$ relationship (at the expense of cancer victims) with a snake-oil scam:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannatech
Disregard of science breeds pseudoscience…..
These are bad years for American leadership, certainly Canadian, but I wish Carson would become Prez.
Its very inaccurate for what Dawkins, a foreigner vy the way, said about this.
Creationism is not a disgace to any thinking human being. thats saying Christian doctyrines are a disgrace. We have a social contract for centuries now NOT to insult/dismiss others faiths. Reject and argue against but not be dismissive.
Biology is based on investigating biology as is. The origin of the AS IS BIOLOGY is not biology. its history. Medicine has no relationship to history but only biology AS IS. Zillions of medical rese4archers are creationists.
The to winner of prizes in the university of Toronto for teaching medicine is a adam/eve believer. He told me so.
What is great is once again origin conclusions are raised as important and modern creationism as a modern threat and revolution.
Once again the bad guys in the story demand intellectual compliance with their convictions.
Its a early Christmas gift eh.
Poor old Dawk. America is not Britain or, I think hes from africa, AFRICA.
Your not helping.
REC, “Disregard of science breeds … ” Hm, seems that every time a new theory comes about the scientific community rejects it. Disregard for science is the core to scientific progress.
Oh, there’s more to Mannateck then meets the eye, or the wikipedia article. Search for “pathological science” in http://tinyurl.com/8lkm6eq don’t forget your findings.
News, Umpqua is a red flag warning. This sort of slanderous stirring of hostility and manifestation of ill-mannered contempt was never acceptable. But now, with madmen distilling shoot Christians on sight etc out of the tainted atmosphere, it is high time for decent people to wake up to what is being enabled. Or have we forgotten the consequences of Nero’s slanderous accusation against Christians of treasonous arson for the fire in Rome July 18, 64 AD? KF
REC:
So evolutionism arose due to the disregard of science- good to know.
Whatho everyone.
Dr Dawkins comments are very valuable in my opinion. Perhaps not in the way he supposes though.
He provides an excellent way to demonstrate the validity of the claim that evolution is the bedrock of biology and hence medicine.
Understanding evolution – sound understanding of biology – practice of medicine
Just apply that line of progression elsewhere to see its truth.
Basic numeracy – sound grasp of mathematics -application in finance
If a person could be found that could not do basic addition and subtraction but had successfully developed an equation for building a successful life insurance policy, then it could be said that basic numeracy is not the ultimate bedrock of finance.
Likewise, if a person can be found that doesn’t understand evolution but practices applied medicine or surgery at the highest level, then it can be straightforwardly said that evolution is to the ultimate bedrock to medicine or biology.
Dr Dawkins claims that Dr Carson doesn’t understand evolution. Fair enough. Dr Carson does practice the highest level of medicine. Therefore evolution is not the bedrock of biology and medicine.
I am not qualified to remark on the merits and demerits of evolution as a science. But I get common sense. And Dr Dawkins comments shed a lot of light on one of the grand claims of science for me.
Just an observation.
No, not “fair enough”.
Carson understands the claims of Darwinism perfectly well. And he’s smart enough to figure out that it’s not science.
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Pip pip Cantor old bean.
Please don’t misunderstand me. I am also of the opinion that Dr Carson is more than qualified and intelligent enough to understand whether evolution is true or false.
My point in the particular sentence that you highlighted is that if Dr Dawkins wishes to stand by his remark that Dr Carson does not understand evolution, then he must also accept that he has demonstrated beautifully that evolution is not the bedrock of biology and medicine.
Sorry if my meaning was not clear in the original post. I can see now, that it was a bit foggy.
Whoops.
Ho-De-Ho (11)
That was a VERY well reasoned point. Kudos.
Thank you bfast, kind of you to say so.
Mung hath said:
Evolution is the foundation of the stable, supporting you-know-what.
Soon as I saw the name Dawkins I knew 5 mins of comedy would follow 🙂
Seriously, the man is a relic from a time when we had an even poorer grasp of important scientific concepts than we do today. He hasn’t practised actual science in what, 20 years, longer? Even then his books, wow… The man is woefully ignorant of the very science he bashes others for not understanding.
It is clear his popularity and book sales has nothing to do with his understanding of science etc but rather it is his attacks and anti-religious philosophy that interests his readers.
As a physician I would like to second Ho-De-Ho’s remark. If evolution were so important to medicine, then Ben Carson could not have become the pre-eminent pediatric neurosurgeon at Johns Hopkins, let alone the world. However, Ben Carson has done that. Therefore evolution cannot be that important to medicine. It is straightforward logic:
P -> ~Q
Q
Therefore ~P
With all due respect to Dr. Dawkins and his medical expertise 😉 , I submit as a practicing physician that he is wrong. That’s a terrible indictment. 😉
Dawkins would never let a creationist operate on his brain.