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Taxonomic nested hierarchies don’t support Darwinism — transformed cladism rocks

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Taxonomic nested hierarchies don’t support Darwinism or common descent, actually the opposite. Michael Denton convincingly argued that nested hierarchies can be used to argue against macro evolution. If the fish are always fish, then they will never be birds, reptiles, apes, or humans.

From a forgotten book called Catholics and the Theory of Evolution, there is a quote of Platnick and Nelson who were pioneers of transformed cladism:

‘Darwinism . . . is, in short, a theory that has been put to the test and found false’

Dawkins was clearly unhappy with the claims of Nelson and Platnick and the transformed cladists:

It isn’t that any transformed cladists are themselves fundamentalist creationists. My own interpretation is that they enjoy an exaggerated idea of the importance of taxonomy in biology. They have decided, perhaps rightly, that they can do taxonomy better if they forget about evolution

Richard Dawkins
Transformed Cladism

Indeed, we can see the nested hierarchy more clearly if we disregard evolution. Why? To illustrate, if we invoke Darwinian evolution we would have to say the nesting goes like this:

FISH are the common ancestors of humans, birds, and frogs. Ergo birds nest within fish, and so do humans, and so do frogs. That is what Theobald’s Markov chain would “predict” in terms of nesting. But the actual anatomical/taxonomic nesting tells a different story: fish are fish, humans are not fish, birds are not fish, frogs are not fish. Are you going to believe Theobald’s Markov chains that you are a fish or are you going to believe you’re a human and not a fish?

To try to nest humans with fish because we supposedly descended from them is at variance with the nested hierarchy we would build by simply looking and comparing traits instead of fabricating Darwinian stories.

One might argue that if Markov processes don’t support nested hierarchies at the anatomical level, Markov processes support nesting at the molecular level. But hierarchies at the molecular level create nasty problems of their own like having to invoke molecular clocks (which have been refuted). See: Zuck is out of luck

Nested hierarchies might be produced by Markov chains, but that is not the only reason nested hierarchies exist for functioning architectures. For example, in the world of man-made machines, there aren’t fully functioning vehicles with 2.3 wheels — there are 2-wheeled, 3-wheeled, 4-wheeled vehicles, etc… The notion of even a conceptual transitional (from 2-wheeled to 3-wheeled) via small steps makes little sense. There is no transition, but rather a leap, per saltum.

Further, intelligent agents create nested hierarchies, not only out of necessity but out of their sense of aesthetics. In the world of classical music there are somewhat well defined music forms: sonatas, minuets, concertos, symphonies, operas, variations, nocturnes, preludes, etudes, rhapsodies, etc. These forms create nested hierarchies and have little to do with Markov chains. So to claim that nesting is the result of common ancestry is only based on the presumption that mindless processes were at work — but that is no proof whatsoever, and worse, the nesting reinforces the notion transitionals never existed even in principle, and thus the missing links will remain missing, and thus the nesting in evidence today is actually anti-Darwinian.

One can, just by looking at traits, assemble creatures into nice nested hierarchies. They look at first like they descended conceptually from a common ancestor, but the problem is they all look like siblings with no real ancestor. In fact, many times a common ancestor doesn’t seem possible in principle.

For example, what is the common ancestor of vertebrates and invertebrates? Err, crash…hard to conceive of even in principle. It’s like looking for a square circle. Those gene sequence worshippers argue the genes show there was a common ancestor of vertebrates and invertebrates, but they seem to have problem describing anatomically what it would look like. Google “common ancestor of vertebrates and invertebrates” and try to find even a hypothetical description of what the common ancestor could look like even in principle. Maybe the lack of transitionals suggest there weren’t any.

In sum, the nested hierarchies in taxonomy don’t need Darwinism, in fact, Darwinism distorts the ability actually see the nested hierarchies, and finally nested hierachies based on taxonomy are evidence against Darwinism.

OTHER EXAMPLES:

1. Paul Nelson and Marcus Ross have this article: PROBLEMS WITH CHARACTERIZING THE
PROTOSTOME-DEUTEROSTOME ANCESTOR.
This shows why the nesting resists a common anscestor.

2. Or how about the transitionals between unicellular and multicellular. Denton pointed out Darwinists once hoped that we could demonstrate the notion of transitionals by finding living transitionals. The absence of living transitionals is also evidence that maybe they never existed, just like functioning 2.3-wheeled cars. It would appear functioning biological systems, like man-made machines, must make leaps per saltum rather than slow gradual steps. Biological systems tend to polarize and group, they don’t seem to like gradual transitions for certain major architectures or body plans. It’s not that the fossils can’t be found, they can’t exist even in principle.

The list is endless of problems of finding transitionals even in principle, the nesting and very distinct gaps in the nesting are evidence against Darwinian evolution and common ancestry.

ADDENDUM
Denton’s chapter: “Biochemical echo of typology” gives strong argument that humans aren’t descended from fish. At best one might argue humans and fish share a common ancestor, but well, where is that ancestor?

Comments
Good post, Sal. I didn't understand the argument, discussed in a previous post here, that nested hierarchies would be unlikely to be produced by designers, when that is exactly what we see in all branches of human technology. And your point that transitional forms between major groups often could not exist even in principle is accurate also. In my Discovery Institute Press book, I quoted G.G.Simpson's summary of the fossil record:
It is a feature of the known fossil record that most taxa appear abruptly. They are not, as a rule, led up to by a sequence of almost imperceptibly changing forerunners such as Darwin believed should be usual in evolution...This phenomenon becomes more universal and more intense as the hierarchy of categories is ascended. Gaps among known species are sporadic and often small. Gaps among known orders, classes and phyla are systematic and almost always large.
Then I made an analogy with human technology:
If some future paleontologist were to unearth two species of Volkswagens, he might find it plausible that one evolved gradually from the other. He might find the lack of gradual transitions between automobile families more problematic, for example, in the transition from mechanical to hydraulic brake systems, or from manual to automatic transmission, or from steam engines to internal combustion engines; though if he thought about what gradual transitions would look like, he would understand why they didn't exist. He would be even more puzzled by the huge differences between the bicycle and motor vehicle phyla, or between the boat and airplane phyla. But heaven help us if he uncovers motorcycles and Hovercraft, the discovery of these "missing links" would be hailed in all our newspapers as final proof that all forms of transportation arose gradually from a common ancestor, without design.
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Theobald uses Linnean taxonomy, not cladistics, as his nested hierarchy. And that alone is strange because Linnean taxonomy doesn’t have anything to do with evolution and was based on a common design scheme. In Linnean taxonomy fish and humans are on the same level. One is not ancestral to the other.
Yup! And that is how we would see the nesting if we just looked at traits and were agnostic to the question of evolution. And reviewing Denton's chapter on biochemical typology, it is evident fish aren't ancestral to humans, the biochemistry accords with Linnaeus not Markov chains descending from fish. If biochemical evolution followed Theobold's hypothesis, humans would be nested WITHIN fish, we are not, so Theobold's claim is empirically falsified...he just hasn't gotten around to realizing it. :-) At best on might argue fish and humans share a common ancestor,and that humans did not descend from fish, but that would pretty much shatter the current view of the evolution of humans, mammals, birds, and all land based creatures. The biochemical pictures could at best argue there was a common ancestor that gave birth to the fish line, mammal line, the amphibian line somewhat simultaneously, A markov process might predict that, but well, that would be at variance with the way Darwinists claim evolution unfolded Fish->reptiles->mammals->humans -- but that wouldn't agree with Tiktaalik or any other such evolutionary lineage. According to Theobold's Markov chains, biochemically speaking, humans ought to nest within fish, we don't. Neither do we nest within fish anatomically. :-)scordova
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Theobald uses Linnean taxonomy, not cladistics, as his nested hierarchy. And that alone is strange because Linnean taxonomy doesn't have anything to do with evolution and was based on a common design scheme. In Linnean taxonomy fish and humans are on the same level. One is not ancestral to the other.Joe
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