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I am really going to miss Richard John Neuhaus, who slipped away January 8 (1936-2008), quite unexpectedly, and is NOT an example of the problem I am commenting on here. 

I got my February First Things earlier this week, knowing it was the last installment I would ever read of his “The Public Square,” and especially of my favourite portion, “While We’re At It,” of which I am transcribing a bit for you below, a bit that is relevant to the intelligent design debate.

I first became aware of Neuhaus when he was a Lutheran pastor (he subsequently became a Catholic priest), because he was one of the first people ever to write against the “population bomb” hoax, in 1971 – when that very hoax was hot stuff in what we today call the legacy media.

Essentially, as Pamela Winnick has also pointed out, there was no population bomb. The rise of national government – which meant, among other things, the prohibition of local warfare, together with the worldwide spread of modern agriculture and medical techniques – simply meant that more people than ever before in history happen to be alive at the same time. This is an inevitable consequence of reducing child and young adult mortality. But inevitably then, birth rates begin to taper off. As Neuhaus recognized, there was unmistakable evidence that birth rates were already tapering off, even while editorialists were freaking out about the supposed “bomb.”

Anyway, without more ado, here are some of Neuhaus’s comments on Ernst Haeckel, Darwin’s devoted German disciple:

Give a boy a hammer and he discovers the whole world needs hammering. Give an intellectual enthusiast a really big idea and he discovers it explains just about everything. Ernst Haeckel (1834-1919) was such an enthusiast and, along with many others, his really big idea was Darwinism. He had no problem with being accused of worshiping Darwin and was an influential popularizer of his thought. A new biography of Haeckel, The Tragic Sense of Life, by Robert Richards, notes his prodigious productivity, including what he considered a central pillar of Darwin’s theory – the idea that ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny. This means that in the first two months of development a human embryo can scarcely be distinguished the tailed embryo of a dog or other mammals. In other words, the embryo of a contemporary species goes through the same morphological changes in its development as its ancestors went through in their evolutionary descent. I have met people who still hold to Haeckel’s theory and contend that an abortion only interrupts an evolutionary process, and we do not know what the embryo would have turned out to be at the end of its evolutionary development. Haeckel published a book with an illustration, juxtaposing three embryos (dog, chicken, and turtle) and pointing out, as evidence in support of Darwin’s theory, that the three images were indistinguishable. A sharp-eye reviewer noted that they were indeed indistinguishable. The same woodcut had been printed three times. Haeckel’s reputation never recovered. T.H. Huxley, “Darwin’s Bulldog,” wrote him a letter of consolation”: “May your shadow never be less, and may all your enemies, unbelieving dogs who resist the Prophet of Evolution, be defiled by the sitting of jackasses upon their grandmother’s graves!”

Okay, so anyone who doubts Huxley, and presumably, current Darwin perpetrators, should have their grandmother’s grave defaced? Okay. At least they are making it clear. If this is a fight they want, they will get it.

Sadly, at one point, what Fr. Neuhaus writes is not strictly true. Haeckel’s reputation totally recovered! He’s part of the Darwin religion now. His beliefs about human embryos pioneered abortion legislation worldwide. (After a while, people began to acknowledge, of course, that abortion kills a human being, but – they now say- society is better off without the humans who merely punish their relatives by existing. That was after the abortion mob had confused the public by claiming that the human embryos were not human – as if anything could be more impossible in real science.)

And while we are here, why do so many people recant Darwinism just before they die?

In this world, today, isn’t there some point at which guys with balls just push their way forward to say, “We know this is major crap and we will sign here to say so, and will fight for it?

Well, all power to those guys, and I will do anything I can to help them.

Hey, guys, do it.

Do it for your kids. Don’t your kids deserve a world in which we can know what is real and what isn’t? Should your kids be listening to this or to something worthwhile? Think for a kid who wants to make it in science?

For what it is worth, Richard Weikart had intended to call his magisterial book on the contribution of Darwinism to Nazism “From Haeckel to Hitler” but the publisher insisted on titling it, From Darwin to Hitler. The book is sobering, and much recommended, however titled.

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This is sort of an odd question. But for Christians like Dembski, O'Leary and others.. Do you think we will be able to recognize loved ones in the afterlife? Will I be able to meet, say for istance, my great grandfather?Platonist
January 30, 2009
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Winston, how important is being an atheist to your self-image? . . . .Not at all. Perhaps when I was younger it was, but I’ve gotten over that. OK, your concern about me wanting -- or me wanting to have common culture -- tell you what you are suppose to think, and why, has a nugget of truth to it. Actually, I suppose it is is literally true. I think you should be told to think for yourself. I think you should be told to approach claims with skepticism. I think you should think truth exists and can be found. I think you should think there is a point to our existence and there is a reason for struggle. What I have emphasize too is that I strongly believe you have the right to disagree, you have the right not to believe in God and theology is not something one should fight about. Values, yes, but not theology.tribune7
January 29, 2009
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Julius Streicher (I don’t know about Koch) was anti-Christian. But he also said at his trial that he was fulfilling the will of Martin Luther. Then again, these people would say anything and everything to get themselves off and he was one of the most unscrupulous (quite a feat among that bunch). The Spanish Inquisition — which was a church office — did not involve Jews. It started as a way of getting at the Jews and Muslims whom were forcibly converted, that being those who were not already killed or deported. In the end, there were no Jews left in Spain and the country was 'purified', with both the secular authorizes and the church to blame. I'm certainly not of the view that any and all acts of aggression against the Jewish population was church directed only. Winston, how important is being an atheist to your self-image? Not at all. Perhaps when I was younger it was, but I've gotten over that.Winston Macchi
January 29, 2009
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Winston, a very well-reasoned post. A few points -- it wasn't most Nazis being against Christianity. The party as an institution was against Christianity. The policy was to tolerate it until it could act against it. There were few prominent Nazis who were Christians. Perhaps the highest ranking was Wilhelm Canaris, and, well, it was speculated that he was a British spy and he certainly tried to kill Hitler a couple of times. Julius Streicher (I don't know about Koch) was anti-Christian. Granted his cartoons often showed Jews as enemies of Christians but he attacked the church too. He is quoted as saying: The teaching of Christianity has stood in the way of a radical solution of the Jewish problem in Europe... The point is, where was the irrational hatred of the Jews coming from. The irrational hatred was due to them being a successful minority and irrational hatred is something successful minorities face no matter who or where they are. Also, much of the organized action against them, it should be noted, was not irrational but rather cold blooded. Edward Longshanks, for instance, expelled them to steal their money. I'll also disagree that the church was behind most of the pogroms and other acts of oppression, which were usually conceived by secular authorities, irrational mobs or clerics ignoring directives from Rome. The expulsion of the Jews from Spain was by order of the king and queen. The Spanish Inquisition -- which was a church office -- did not involve Jews. (The goal was to search for heretics, who by definition had to be baptized Christians, and, yes, many of those accused were Jewish or Moslem converts). I often get the feeling theists want to tell atheists what they are suppose to think and why they should think it. Winston, how important is being an atheist to your self-image? With regard to the necessity of Darwin, Heine referred to Fichte & Kant so there was a movement in that direction. Darwin, I think, was the spark, though. Most people had no access to the Bible and still did not kill. That, may not be true. I remember reading an article about the frequency of slaughter in antiquity and in primitive societies (i.e. The End Of The Spear Indians, Borneo headhunters) and it was rather remarkable. I wish I could find it. Second, I think the ‘attacks’ are based on the quality of the data. That's how it should be.tribune7
January 28, 2009
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Oh, I’m familiar with a lot of those claims although your source doesn’t seem to get what the Nazi-version of “positive Christianity” was designed to do Obviously some (most) in the Nazi party were very much against Christianity or at least the church, I'm not disputing that (nor is my source). Just as obviously there were many who were not (Erich Koch, Julius Streicher, etc). But that really isn't the point. The point is, where was the irrational hatred of the Jews coming from. Why the Jews? Whether they expressed it in Christian terms or not, it is quite clear that it was but the latest in a long line of antisemitic action in Europe, primarily (but not totally) under the influence of the church throughout many centuries. This type of activity was not new in Europe, it was part of the culture (eg over 100,000 killed in Spain in the 14th century). Darwin gave atheists an opportunity to attack Biblical authority (if this part is false how can you trust this part) and gave the lip-service Christians an excuse to stop giving lip service Darwin wasn't required for this, perhaps just another piece of a complex puzzle for many. I often get the feeling theists want to tell atheists what they are suppose to think and why they should think it. I suppose it makes it easier to dismiss arguments without offering any answers. Darwin also declared man to be an animal, and it’s OK to kill animals. And without Biblical authority who says “Thou Shalt Not Murder”? Or it could equally lead to not killing animals (or neither is a necessary conclusion). Besides, the Bible got "Thou Shalt Not Murder" from people, people did not get it from the Bible. Most people had no access to the Bible and still did not kill. The Bible describes social interaction, not the other way around. Darwin also led to the logic that survival and “improvement” were great virtues. Pretty sure that survival was always cherished as a virtue. And improvement, being subjective as it is, can be used in all sorts of ways. Furthermore, the idea of improvement wasn't new, as anyone who has read Plato knows. And I don’t hate Darwin although the conclusions many have made based on his work I think are false and have led to very bad things. Me too. I think a lot of it is bunk. And I don't dispute that it was an influence on some terrible things. The amount of influence is what I dispute. I certainly don't think it was necessary or sufficient; I think it was minor. Also, I think it very puzzling that he should be idolized, given his own year for instance, whereas much greater scientists Faraday, Maxwell, Pasteur, Mendel are ignored. Agreed. (not about the 'greater' part) Ironically, I think the attacks on ID are based on a fear that it provides a means to attack Darwinian authority with regard to ethics (if this part is false, how can you trust this part?) I disagree. First, I don't think Darwinism has any ethical authority. I think it is one of many pieces of knowledge which can be used to create an ethic. The size of its influence would depend on the question. Second, I think the 'attacks' are based on the quality of the data.Winston Macchi
January 28, 2009
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There have always been atheists and lip-service Christians. Darwin gave atheists an opportunity to attack Biblical authority (if this part is false how can you trust this part) and gave the lip-service Christians an excuse to stop giving lip service. Darwin also declared man to be an animal, and it's OK to kill animals. And without Biblical authority who says "Thou Shalt Not Murder"? Darwin also led to the logic that survival and "improvement" were great virtues. Granted, this was not necessarily a well thought-out concept considering mongrels are usually better at survival than purebreds, but very influential people accepted that society's goal should be "To Create A Race Of Thoroughbreds" And I don't hate Darwin although the conclusions many have made based on his work I think are false and have led to very bad things. Also, I think it very puzzling that he should be idolized, given his own year for instance, whereas much greater scientists Faraday, Maxwell, Pasteur, Mendel are ignored. Ironically, I think the attacks on ID are based on a fear that it provides a means to attack Darwinian authority with regard to ethics (if this part is false, how can you trust this part?)tribune7
January 28, 2009
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Try reading something outside your comfort level. You may learn something. Oh, I'm familiar with a lot of those claims although your source doesn't seem to get what the Nazi-version of "positive Christianity" was designed to do and who made use of it and for what purpose And here's something with which you might not be familiar Hitler and the Nazis were very much anti-Christians. I'll grant that there are clergy who will go along with whatever their government cooks up which is one of the dangers of a state church. Look at what a lapdog the Church of England is as opposed to the Anglicans from Africa whose churches are usually not supported by the state.tribune7
January 28, 2009
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Try reading something outside your comfort level. You may learn something. http://www.cambridge.org/uk/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=0521603528Winston Macchi
January 28, 2009
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The only reason that you believe that Hitler’s views weren’t ultimately based in centuries of European Christian and secular antisemitic thought and action . . Is because Hitler's deeds only occurred after a notable decline in the influence of orthodox Christianity greased by Darwin's theory. For a contemporaneous view as to the protection offered by the cultural guidance of Christianity, see the quote by Heinrich Heine in Post 3.tribune7
January 27, 2009
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tribune7, The only reason that you believe that Hitler's views weren't ultimately based in centuries of European Christian and secular antisemitic thought and action (a view that is well documented and accounted for) is your belief that ... well, I'm not sure exactly. Perhaps in your headlong rush to judge everything Darwin as wrong and evil, you lost any sense of balance and truth. And I've read the book, it was alright, not great, but alright.Winston Macchi
January 27, 2009
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Winston Macchi The only reason you believe that Hitler's racial views weren't, ultimately, guided by Darwin was because you don't want to believe it. The evidence shows that they were.tribune7
January 27, 2009
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Clearly that didn't work. Try freetruth.50webs.org/A5.htm www.historicgermany.com/2888.html en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_the_Jews#Influence_on_modern_antisemitism www.humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography/documents/luther-jews.htm en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_historyWinston Macchi
January 27, 2009
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It may be that I spoke too soon and more than luck was required. After all, when this is but the latest in a long, long series of connected events that can be traced way back in European thought, a people has to get good at surviving. Not to say that Jews were the only ones or that this type isn’t equally present outside outside Europe.Winston Macchi
January 27, 2009
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"And while we are here, why do so many people recant Darwinism just before they die?" I didn't know this was a big phenomenon. Can you give some examples?B L Harville
January 27, 2009
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Luckily nothing so far has been. I think luck has had a lot to do with it. The Darwin/Galton/Haeckel/Huxley disciples only managed to wipe out 85 percent.tribune7
January 27, 2009
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And it still would not have been enough to wipe out the Jews of Europe, right?
Luckily nothing so far has been.Winston Macchi
January 27, 2009
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he would have called for them to be drown, burnt, or hung. And it still would not have been enough to wipe out the Jews of Europe, right?tribune7
January 26, 2009
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Now if he had Darwin, Galton, Spencer, Haeckel and Huxley . . .
he would have called for them to be drown, burnt, or hung.Winston Macchi
January 26, 2009
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Lucky for him he had Isabel, Phillip (heck, just about all the Spanish), Pfefferkorn, Zwingli, Calvin, Bullinger, Carafa, and countless others And if his goal was to wipe out the Jews of Europe it still wasn't enough. Now if he had Darwin, Galton, Spencer, Haeckel and Huxley . . .tribune7
January 26, 2009
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If only Luther would have had Darwin, Galton, Spencer, Haeckel, and Huxley backing him up…
Lucky for him he had Isabel, Phillip (heck, just about all the Spanish), Pfefferkorn, Zwingli, Calvin, Bullinger, Carafa, and countless othersWinston Macchi
January 26, 2009
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While that theory may have influenced Nazi thinking it is surely stretching things to argue that the theory of evolution was a necessary or even significant cause of the Holocaust That’s an argument from incredulity
No, it's an argument based on history.Winston Macchi
January 26, 2009
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JT:
Shouldn’t an article entitled, “Why do people so often only repent of Darwinism when they die?” actually provide examples of people who repented of Darwinism when they died?
I was just about to post the same question when I got to the end of the comments. The first thing I do when reading a blog post is look for the content directly reflecting the title. Still looking. Did I miss it? Denyse?SCheesman
January 26, 2009
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Shouldn't an article entitled, "Why do people so often only repent of Darwinism when they die?" actually provide examples of people who repented of Darwinism when they died? Then maybe we'd have quotes from some of them and an answer to the question.JT
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Seversky wrote:
If I were trying to discredit Christianity by citing Luther’s anti-Semitism then it would be a smear, just as arguing that the alleged use of Darwin’s work by the Nazis discredits the theory of evolution is a smear tactic.
I'll take that as a confession, considering that:
The anti-Semitic impulse has been rooted in European - although not just European - culture for centuries. It did not originate with Luther, he was just one expression of it at that time.
and that you chose to extensively quote Luther instead of anyone more contemporary to Hitler and/or anyone sharing your atheism. Linking Darwinism with the Holocaust (particularly as Weikart does) could rightfully be called a smear tactic - if it were unfounded and untrue. Popular understanding of evolution at the time, even up to the level of reviews in the journal Science in the 1920s, supports the link. It's not a smear if it's the truth.
Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (Häckel). Is it likely that the Nazis would want to purge writing that was supposed to be so fundamental to their beliefs and policies?
"Primitive Darwinism" and "Monism" were not fundamental to Nazi belief and policies. They preferred the version of Darwinism championed by the likes of Madison Grant and a syncretic pagan religion based on same-said Darwinism.angryoldfatman
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The anti-Semitic impulse has been rooted in European - although not just European - culture for centuries. True, although not so much so that many more Jews ended up living there rather than in Egypt or Turkey or Persia . While that theory may have influenced Nazi thinking it is surely stretching things to argue that the theory of evolution was a necessary or even significant cause of the Holocaust That's an argument from incredulity :-) Even if it were, it would still say nothing about whether or not the theory itself is an accurate description and explanation of how life has changed over time. I'd say it's wise to judge the vine by the fruit it bears.tribune7
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angryoldfatman @ 5
“The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches”, Office of Strategic Services; July 6, 1945; pg 6. Sorry Seversky, your attempt to smear Christianity by linking the anti-Semitism of Luther with the Nazis has failed miserably.
If I were trying to discredit Christianity by citing Luther's anti-Semitism then it would be a smear, just as arguing that the alleged use of Darwin's work by the Nazis discredits the theory of evolution is a smear tactic. The passage you quote, however, makes the point, to me, that totalitarian regimes like the Nazis in Germany or the Communists in China and Russia tried to destroy the churches because they were an alternative base of political power that threatened their own absolute control of the state. They couldn't tolerate competition. As for quotes, in 1935 Die Bucherei, the official Nazi journal for lending libraries, published a set of guidelines for the "purification" of library content which included the removal of the following:
6. Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (Häckel).
Is it likely that the Nazis would want to purge writing that was supposed to be so fundamental to their beliefs and policies?Seversky
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tribune7 @ 3
OTOH, there were 4 centuries between Luther and the Holocaust. Hitler was born just seven years (and 1 day) after Darwin’s death while Haeckel & Hitler’s lives overlapped.
And in the four centuries between Luther and Hitler and in the four centuries before Luther there is a long and well-documented history of atrocities committed against Jews in Europe. The anti-Semitic impulse has been rooted in European - although not just European - culture for centuries. It did not originate with Luther, he was just one expression of it at that time. Hitler and the Holocaust were one of the most recent - and certainly the most terrible - expression of that same attitude. It existed long before Darwin proposed his theory and while that theory may have influenced Nazi thinking it is surely stretching things to argue that the theory of evolution was a necessary or even significant cause of the Holocaust. Even if it were, it would still say nothing about whether or not the theory itself is an accurate description and explanation of how life has changed over time.Seversky
January 25, 2009
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Collin @ 2
But the Lutheran church did not perpetuate Luther’s teachings against Jews into modern times. But Darwinism is a piece of the puzzle when it comes to abortion. Darwin’s attitude toward the Irish, Sanger’s attitude toward Blacks and the whole Eugenics movement have been supported by Social Darwinism which continues to preach its dehumanizing gospel.
As I wrote before, I am opposed to abortion but I do not see it being justified today on the grounds of improving the fitness of the species. It's more usually defended on the grounds that it is a woman's right to do whatever she chooses with her own body.
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Important leaders of the Nationalist Socialist party would have liked to meet this situation [Nazi ideological conflict with Christian churches] by a complete extirpation of Christianity and the substitution of a purely racial religion tailored to fit the needs of National Socialist policy. This radically anti-Christian position is most significantly presented in Alfred Rosenberg's Myth of the Twentieth Century (one of the great best-sellers of National Socialist Germany and generally regarded, after Hitler's Mein Kampf, as the most authoritative statement of National Socialist ideology), and in his To the Obscurantists of our Time (An die Dunkelmanner unserer Zeit). Since Rosenberg was editor in chief of the chief party newspaper, the Voelkischer Beobachter, the Reich Leader of Ideological Training and the possessor of other prominent position under the National Socialist regime, his ideas were not without official significance. Thus in a declaration of 5 November 1934, Baldur von Schirach, German Youth Leader declared in Berlin; "Rosenberg's way is the way of German youth". So far as this sector of the National Socialist party is concerned, the destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement.
"The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches", Office of Strategic Services; July 6, 1945; pg 6. Sorry Seversky, your attempt to smear Christianity by linking the anti-Semitism of Luther with the Nazis has failed miserably. Luther defied Christian teachings and history (Jesus Christ was a Jew!) in order to hate Jews, and so did Hitler. Luther fortunately did not have a bevy of international scientists paving the way for him, nor did he think Judaism was congenital/genetic and called for extermination. If only Luther would have had Darwin, Galton, Spencer, Haeckel, and Huxley backing him up...angryoldfatman
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I put the question (regarding repenting of Darwinism) to an evolutionist friend just now. He replied that it probably has something to do with senility, loss of brain function, childhood programming, fear of death, etc. Rather predictable. In my own experience, dying folks can be quite lucid, and perhaps a bit of God-consciousness can emerge through the intellectual haze in this state. I'd be curious about your own answer to this question, Ms. Leary.WeaselSpotting
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