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John Lynch: “I Admit It… I Teach Intelligent Design”

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Arizona State University Professor of Evolutionary Biology John Lynch admits he teaches something on the topic of intelligent design. I shudder to think what it is he teaches about it but that’s neither here nor there for the point I’m about to make.

Biology profs all tell us (or it seems like all of them) that teaching evolution at the high school level is done in some measure to prepare students for what they’ll encounter at the college level.

Okay. College preparation. I’ll buy that. A very reasonable position statement. However, if they’re also teaching ID at the college level, what justification is there for banning the mere mention of ID at the high school level? Shouldn’t we be preparing high school students for what they’ll encounter in college with regard to ID in the same way we prepare them for evolution?

I’d like John to explain the schism here. Why is it justifiable to teach whole chapters about evolution in the name of prepping high school children for college but the mere mention of ID to them is verboten?

On an aside, my daughter’s teacher in Biology 101 assigned the class a writing project to compare and contrast the modern synthesis with intelligent design so I already knew that it was being taught on college campuses by biology teachers. It seems John’s not at all unusual in that regard. The unusual thing, if any, might be admitting he teaches it.

Update: In Cobb County, the sticker didn’t mention ID or religion. It just said evolution is a theory, not a fact, and should be carefully studed and critically considered. Even that was too much for Darwinists. Maybe in college they teach that evolution is a fact that can’t be criticised and that’s what high schoolers are being prepped for, eh? Yes, I think that must be it. -ds

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Red Reader said: "I am aware that Evolutionists in general assert there is no difference and Judge Jones in the Dover case ruled there is no difference. I try to attribute the confusion to honest misunderstanding rather than deliberate misrepresentation." Judge Jones based his understanding of Intelligent Design on the testimony of Behe, Minnich and Fuller. Dembski, Meyer and others were asked to provide testimony and rebuttal also, but they chose not to (for personal and legal reasons.) As an ID supporter, I don't think it's fair to keep saying that opponents of ID argue against a straw man or that they misunderstand ID. Multiple times on the stand, Behe and Minnich were asked for positive scientific evidence for design and neither of them presented any; they just presented evidence against evolution (irreducible complexity, Dembski's theorems). I know that some people on here (Davescot included) believe that by proving unguided evolution incorrect it will admittedly bolster the case for design (IE:guided evolution), but while that's correct, I feel we would be better served by not talking about evolution at all, and just focusing on the detection and mechanisms of design.M J
January 30, 2006
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ON TOPIC: Here is the comment I posted on John Lynch's blogsite: .... Dr. Lynch wrote: "For example, my BIO/HPS: Origins, Evolution and Creation course has been dealing with ID since its inception...." The title of your course suggests that while you may be dealing with Creationism, you may not be aware of the distinction between Creationism and Intelligent Design. I'm not being critical: knowledge of ID and it's distinction is growing, but there remains quite a lot of confusion. I am aware that Evolutionists in general assert there is no difference and Judge Jones in the Dover case ruled there is no difference. I try to attribute the confusion to honest misunderstanding rather than deliberate misrepresentation. Nevertheless, there is a difference between ID theory and creationism. As with any theory, it would seem only fair to ask those who are involved in the theory's development what THEY mean, what their definition is. As an analogy, if I want to know what Democrats stand for, it's only fair to ask a Democrat: a Republican may give me a version of Democrat policy proposals somewhat unflattering to the proposals. If I understand the Democrat, I still may not agree, but at least I will have been fair. The most recent article addressing this very subject by an active ID theorist is an article written by Dr. Stephen Meyer published Jan. 28, 2006 in the Daily Telegraph of London titled: "Intelligent design is not creationism". Here is the link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/01/28/do2803.xml Stephen C. Meyer earned his Ph.D. in the History and Philosophy of Science from Cambridge University for a dissertation on the history of origin of life biology and the methodology of the historical sciences. He is also director and Senior Fellow of the Center for Science and Culture at the Discovery Institute, in Seattle. G. Jennings Houston, TX ....Red Reader
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namely if we can teach evolution to high schoolers to prep them for college level instruction in evolution why can’t we even whisper the phrase “intelligent design” when that’s also something taught at the college level? Because in order to understand a controversial criticism of a well-established theory, one has to have a solid basis for understanding said theory. In short, high school students aren't ready for intelligent design. There are many things taught in college that aren't appropriate for high school, and for many different reasons. Just because ID is discussed in college classrooms doesn't mean it is ready for high school. Oh my. What horrible thing do you suppose will happen, Aldo? Can a physics teacher say the words black hole, big bang, quantum mechanics, or string theory? High school kids aren't equipped to understand those either. -ds aldo30127
January 30, 2006
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Can we please keep the comments ON TOPIC from here on? No one but Davison has addressed the subject matter of the article - namely if we can teach evolution to high schoolers to prep them for college level instruction in evolution why can't we even whisper the phrase "intelligent design" when that's also something taught at the college level? Don't make me start ripping out everything but relevant comments.DaveScot
January 30, 2006
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You mean like Richard Dawkins? No way Jose or whatever your real name is.John Davison
January 30, 2006
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You're starting to sound like a Cult leader, Dr. Davison. *hides under desk.Bombadill
January 30, 2006
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Self-organization is a real property of all living systems, but I seriously doubt if it came about automatically as a basic property of matter. That's where my dead Gods come into the picture. There had to be two as I see it. They both did themselves in setting things up I'm afraid. It was a monumental effort don't you know. "You are lost and gone forever, Oh my darling Clementine."John Davison
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Bombadill "There are really only two options, as I see it" I see those plus a number of others. One of my favorites is that intelligent agency is in a computational system (a neural network capable of learning) embedded in the DNA molecule with known and possibly some unknown mobile elements and retroviruses acting as logic gates, random access memory, and communication pipelines (within the scope of science). Quantum computing elements, moreover, in just a small number of hardware elements, theoretically have the computing horsepower to accomplish the holy grail of genetic engineering - predicting how strings of amino acids will fold into functionally dimensioned proteins. Of course that begs the question of how the computational engine self-organized (but we'd first have to find it and reverse engineer it before we could begin to ponder how it came about) but it would certainly explain a lot of the appearance of irreducibly complex systems in living things after its appearance. Maybe it was in the first cell? If a ribosome and DNA could self-organize it seems like less of a stretch of the imagination that a simple computer could self-organize as computers are a lot (a very very very lot) LESS complex than DNA and ribosomes.DaveScot
January 30, 2006
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There are really only two options, as I see it, either novel species were set to unfold at certain intervals, based on quantum level programming - something like what Dr. Davison is saying, or the creative intelligence directly intervened and produced them. Both of these explanations fit very well with a fossil record which shows the abrupt appearance of unique body plans. Darwinian Gradualism, on the other hand, is not reflected in the fossil record.Bombadill
January 30, 2006
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John Davison wrote: "A past evolution (reproductive continuity with creative change) is undeniable...." The data can be also explained in terms of ID theory: https://uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/687 "Designer Reuse - One of the positive cases for Intelligent Design is the observation of the ways designers act when designing. Intelligent agents often ‘re-use’ functional components that work over and over in different systems." William Dembski. Jonathan Rosenblum wrote about the problem of extrapolation of observations: "The mechanism by which nature is alleged to have fashioned a single ancestor into both whales and man has never been observed. Indeed, its existence is based on a wild extrapolation from the commonplace observation that within a single species different traits provide a survival advantage in certain circumstances - e.g., black moths fare better vis-a-vis predators against a sooty backdrop and light moths do better in a clean environment. That's a long way from creating new species." http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1136361067333&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinterRed Reader
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Professor Davison, YOU are unusual. And I mean that in a good way. :-)DaveScot
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A past evolution (reproductive continuity with creative change) is undeniable and is probably no longer going on. As yet there is no suitable working hypothesis available to explain how it occurred. Chance had nothing to do with it however. That much has now been firmly established. The above statement should be included in every high school and college textbbook as an introductory mandate. Whatever follows matters very little as it will all be conjecture anyway.John Davison
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