The recent petition to ban teaching creationism or ID in U.S. schools …

_{Denyse O'Leary

July 19, 2013

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… expired without meeting its 1000,000 signature threshold (that would require the White House to respond).

Here’s our original story on it.

We didn’t take it too seriously because we weren’t sure that the White House really would have to respond, as claimed. Like, that’s what the rulebook says, but …

… but maybe the White House was still fed up with the fans of extraterrestrials whose petition demanded full disclosure re the U.S. government hiding space aliens.

The U.S. government, it turned out, was not hiding space aliens.

Not even little ones.

You know, the ones you can fit in your pocket …

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And HINT here... Wouldn't it be GREAT if students were taught how to reason, how to research properly, how to quote (in context...not cherry pick)? Imagine an auditorium filled with college students - facing the Politician. These college students, armed with basic logical thinking skills, heard the politician's spin... and then... What if...instead of catcalls, protests, ordinary uneducated rude comments (or just regurgitated views from their mother professor)...the Politician's Logical Fallacies were called out???vikingmom_{July 24, 2013
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Back to What we Teach in Schools What about "common core"? Now maybe the Feds can enforce teaching...of whatever worldviews they wish. Which would be "darwinian evolution" because it fits the general canon of some federal education leaders. It's part of their core belief system. But -- alas -- we still produce so many students who know WHAT they should think (instead of HOW to think). See this GREAT essay - and the author's suggestions for forming good and wise citizens http://www.gbt.org/text/sayers.htmlvikingmom_{July 24, 2013
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Robert Byers @ 14:
Nope. The segregation of names is a segregation of identity.
Says who? You? And what makes your opinion so worthy of consideration?
True americans don’t segregate their names.
Says who? It might be grating or veer into way too politically correct territory to see the hyphenated names, but if these people were born in the USA (which you have no knowledge of, and therfore cannot judge) then they are true Americans.
These hyphenated identities are immigrants to the american and southern american peoples.
EVERYONE in America was once an immigrant. Have you really not studied American history?
by your reasoning everyone is really a ethnic group.
Well, yeah, ethnograpically speaking. Americans can be reducible to ethnic groups, as can Europeans and Asians. Your point being...?
In fact there is a original two peoples who created the nation.
Which two tribes are you referring to? This country was populated by many native American groups prior to English settlers.
Foreigners either assimilated or did not. The hyphenated names are the evidence of refusing to become true Americans or southern americans.
Or they simply want to acknowledge their ancestry. Do you have a problem with that? And, as stated before, if they were born in the USA, they ARE true Americans, whether you like it or not. You really need to get out more.
so they are only citizens of America but not true Americans. since they reject then they are still aliens to the native peoples.
Who says they reject anything American? You? And does your opinion have any basis in fact? No? Citizens of America are, by definition, true Americans.
Obama is not a American but only a african citizen. By their own words.
President Obama is a true American, having been born on American soil, whether you and any other Republican/Tea Party voters like it or not.Barb_{July 23, 2013
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Barb' Nope. The segregation of names is a segregation of identity. True americans don't segregate their names. These hyphenated identities are immigrants to the american and southern american peoples. by your reasoning everyone is really a ethnic group. In fact there is a original two peoples who created the nation. Foreigners either assimilated or did not. The hyphenated names are the evidence of refusing to become true Americans or southern americans. so they are only citizens of America but not true Americans. since they reject then they are still aliens to the native peoples. Obama is not a American but only a african citizen. By their own words.Robert Byers_{July 23, 2013
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Robert Byers: An African-American IS an American. An Italian-American is also an American. The TRUE American people have names like Apache, Cherokee, Kiowa, etc.Barb_{July 22, 2013
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@Robert Byers: You're contradicting yourself. First you said:
he claims to be an African and so not an America.
Now you say
he claims to be a African American as opposed to a AMERICAN
Of course an african amercian IS an american. So what exactly is your problem?JWTruthInLove_{July 22, 2013
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Narb I don't deny he was born in the USA. I mean because he claims to be a African American as opposed to a AMERICAN then he's a alien to America. A foreigner by his own words, the media, and the reason people voted for him to some percentages. If a different people to the TRUE American people then he's a alien . Identity is everything in this world.Robert Byers_{July 22, 2013
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I say ban teaching ALL science, not just Intelligent Design.Mung_{July 20, 2013
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Robert Byers:
Actually the president has a claim to being a alien as he claims to be an African and so not an America.
I'm calling BS on this. The president was born in Hawaii, which has been a state since 1950. He produced his birth certificate as proof. Only the close-minded refuse to acknowledge this simple fact.Barb_{July 20, 2013
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I believe that, like Reagan and, allegedly, Thatcher, Hitler was a New Ager, Felipe.Axel_{July 20, 2013
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I always thought the answer was to teach the truth about the evidence for the various theories of biological evolution. Essentially there isn't any except for trivial changes and the arguments used for more complicated changes in life forms do not reach the level of science. Keep away from any form of creation story but just show the inadequacies of any theory to explain life's changes. But in a philosophy of science section discuss the idea of methodological naturalism and its implications. In such a place evolution could be a center piece of how to do science especially when it is pointed out that no theory of how evolution occurred has a basis in evidence. For example, something like this could be used to start discussion. This is a transcript of Philip Johnson at one of his presentations when asked by a student for empirical evidence for his position.
Richard Dawkins begins his book the Blind Watchmaker, the most vociferous argument for atheism in the guise of biology you can find by saying that living organisms biology is the study of extremely complicated things that looks as if they were designed by a creator for a purpose Even a single cell contains genetic information that exceeds all the volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannia. Then he says that is an illusion because mutation and selection can do the whole job. But if you look at the evidence and see how much of that is just assumption and presumptuous and it is downright against the evidence of the fossil record and it isn't established anywhere you realize that you are back to square 1. In the words of Richard Dawkins, Biology is the study of extremely complicated things and appeared to be designed by a creator for a purpose.
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Was Adolf Hitler a Christian? - The Real Agenda Behind The Propaganda - video http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/churchhistory/godandhitler/index.aspx Was Hitler influenced by Darwin or by Christianity? Some thoughts on posts by Mr 'Godwin' http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2010/02/was-hitler-influenced-by-darwin-or-by-christianity-some-thoughts-on-posts-by-mr-godwin.html The chilling 1831 'prophecy' of Heinrich Heine: "Christianity — and that is its greatest merit — has somewhat mitigated that brutal German love of war, but it could not destroy it. Should that subduing talisman, the cross, be shattered the frenzied madness of the ancient warriors, that insane Berserk rage of which Nordic bards have spoken and sung so often, will once more burst into flame. … The old stone gods will then rise from long ruins and rub the dust of a thousand years from their eyes, and Thor will leap to life with his giant hammer and smash the Gothic cathedrals. … … Do not smile at my advice — the advice of a dreamer who warns you against Kantians, Fichteans, and philosophers of nature. Do not smile at the visionary who anticipates the same revolution in the realm of the visible as has taken place in the spiritual. Thought precedes action as lightning precedes thunder. German thunder … comes rolling somewhat slowly, but … its crash … will be unlike anything before in the history of the world. … At that uproar the eagles of the air will drop dead, and lions in farthest Africa will draw in their tails and slink away. … A play will be performed in Germany which will make the French Revolution look like an innocent idyll." - Heinrich Heine - Religion and Philosophy in Germany, 1831 How Evolutionary Ethics Influenced Hitler and Why It Matters - Richard Weikart: - January 2012 http://www.credomag.com/2012/01/05/how-evolutionary-ethics-influenced-hitler-and-why-it-matters/bornagain77_{July 20, 2013
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BA, thanks. KFkairosfocus_{July 20, 2013
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Kairosfocus: If you found the Bergman 'Slaughter' lecture helpful, you may also appreciate this lecture of his interesting: Hitler and the Nazi Darwinian Worldview - Jerry Bergman - June 2013 - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMU1PuY1lx8bornagain77_{July 20, 2013
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It was only ever to make sure that one side of a debate gets heard. So much for education :(PeterJ_{July 20, 2013
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Actually the president has a claim to being a alien as he claims to be an African and so not an America. The logical flaw in the petition is having the public vote/sign to not allow the public to decide a matter. They are trying to stop public decisions by way of the legislature , on origin teachings, by public petitions. It seems it would be the evolutionist crowd who would miss this nuance. AMEN let the people decide. Period. No bannings on the people.Robert Byers_{July 19, 2013
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semi related: The documentary 'EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed' only touched the tip of the iceberg as to censorship in academia, Dr. Bergman reveals how widespread it is: Slaughter of the Dissidents - Dr. Jerry Bergman - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_nh0zDMwJA Lecture delivered at Seattle Creation Conference, June 2013. Dr. Bergman also lectured on mutations at the conference: Mutations and Darwinism - Dr Jerry Bergman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MwDUtJQcusbornagain77_{July 19, 2013
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